Japanese Video Thread

[Alphicans]

Where was souther in all of this? That's another top japanese player that could've made a significant difference in results.

 

[Zankoku]

I think arguing about how much better Japan is than America is kind of silly - the fact of the matter is, there are top players here who are able to compete with the top players there, so it's not like America is hopelessly behind with no talented players to play and grow with unless we travel abroad.

 

[clowsui]

ganbaranai and hayase are the same person

ganbaranai = "i won't try my hardest" lmao

 

[B_AWAL]

yeah come on now lol. M2k said it best, ' Everyone here could probably beat me.' Japan is still better than US. Vinnie and M2k both leveled up a ton due to their extra dedication and the Japanese teaching. they were teaching both different tactics, ESPECIALLY Vinnie. Vinnie got that premium mentorship.

@B_AWL : You have horrendous logic. 9B > Vinnie over all. But Vinnie on point is far closer than before. Esam isnt better than 9B or Vinnie. IC dittos dont dictate that.

Japan's ratio of talent per player is still remarkable.


In any case I would definitely say Vinnie, M2K, Quik and Havok stepped up to the plate. People can talk ish about Quik's "easy" bracket, but that was in relation to the other side of the bracket. It was still hard overall and he was playing phenomenal. He defeated a top Marth and showed he could play at that level. Give the man his due. Hes not some "free European LOL", hes a very capable ZSS. Good job quik.

Overall I think this was a good day for Brawl. Vinnie was mad close to victory, some Japanese Wifi Snake putting others on blast, Earth domination of M2k, Masha doing work, and 9B losing another 2 sets in his IC career.

The only thing im annoyed at really is IC dittos; I wish it didnt go down like that. Whether 9B or Vinnie won I would mind either way but the way it happen.ugh. Didnt looked earned at all. Takes a certain skill level to take advantage of such scenarios and that in itself shows Vinnies improvement but yeah. Worst set in the tournament imo.

Can we finally have some raw Pits now besides Koolaid? Earth was lookin beast.

B4 I read what u said let me clairify... I'm gonna say ESAM is da bess no matter what cuz of FL bias...(& its fun trolling u)

2nd... I'm mainly proud that our players can go over there and do that damage. I'm jus saying that we are equal cuz we both have great players. We just have more players than they do. And so many bad players compared to the amount over there.

Now imma read what u posted

 

[Exdeath]

I think arguing about how much better Japan is than America is kind of silly - the fact of the matter is, there are top players here who are able to compete with the top players there, so it's not like America is hopelessly behind with no talented players to play and grow with unless we travel abroad.

The thing is that this was the last tournament for most of Japan's commonly known top players and also M2K if what he said is to be believed.

APEX 2013 will decide the future for Brawl's metagame/competition between the U.S. and Japan, and the period until then has ended on the note of SRT.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

No, I wouldn't say it is to that extent. Hayase is kinda like SLS, but possibly better.

He rarely plays the other part of Japan where most of the top players are (Otori, Nietono, Yui, Shu, Masha)

Hayase is really good, but all I see him doing is beating 9B once a year or so. And as shown here, 9B is certainly beatable so I wouldn't say Hayase is as important as Esam. He is just able to beat 9B and is really good but do you really think he'd destroy Nietono/M2K/Otori/Vinnie? I dunno.

I could see him beating all those players you mentioned. I'm pretty sure he gets a great seeding which means that if he fights 9b, it's usually in the finals which means he has to beat some great players along the way

 

[B_AWAL]

Hayase is Japan's Azen.

Exactly

 

[Keitaro]

I could see him beating all those players you mentioned. I'm pretty sure he gets a great seeding which means that if he fights 9b, it's usually in the finals which means he has to beat some great players along the way

The other part of Japan honestly does not compare in top players to the Rain, Otori, Yui, Shu, Nietono, Brood side and Hayase has never gotten to even fight SLS to my knowledge. So Hayase honestly doesn't get to fight great players. Look at his last tournament results. His hardest opponents were Earth and Suinoko lol. http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=138240

 

[Exdeath]

His hardest opponents were Earth and Suinoko lol. http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=138240

I agree with your point about Hayase, but I think that 9B counts as difficult considering he's only lost to Otori, Vinnie, and Hayase IIRC.

 

[Keitaro]

I will give you that. It is just hard to finalize Ganbaranai's (Hayase) skill level when the only top player I see him beat is 9B.

Esam on the other hand has proved himself by beating almost all the top players in US besides Nairo.

 

[B.A.M.]

Yeah but come now keitaro. You cant say that Hayase wouldnt have made an impact. He slaughters ICs regardless of the character hes playing. Has a brilliant MK, Snake and Pika. I think its just ridiculous to think he that he wouldnt at THE VERY LEAST gave those people a run for their money.

Ultimately that doesnt really matter though. Japan>USA but we are capable of learning from them. Vinnie learned a ton and so did M2K. Quik obviously catapolted to high level from playing those players.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Vinnie went across the world to Japan and almost won it all, how is that not cool? Have you no national pride?!?!

Nope.

Terrible seeding? Blame that on people who place poorly in pools LOL, top6 get out

This.
a first seed is a first seed and a 4th seed is a 4th seed. brackets shouldnt really be messed with more than that. if they were better, they wouldnt have to worry about getting bracket *****.

1. Vinnie has **** all over ALL doubters
2. USA AND JAPAN ARE EQUAL
3. USA stepped it up since Apex
4. I honestly was thinking Europe/Quik was legit until every1 said his bracket was free until Rain(who he lost 2 and then lost the next immediate match I think).
5. M2K got ****ed over... no1 told him the rule and in all honesty there was no reason 4 Masha... a player equal 2 DEHF to take a taited win like that.
6. Sonic dittos suck ***
7. I'm proud of Rain the most! He went from getting whooped w/ falco @ Apex 2010 and won SRT w/ MK. That's A LOT of improvement!
8. M2K should be proud and keep his head held high. Bcuz his only solid losses came from a MU he had no exp in(Earth) & an aggressive MK(Otori) that is a style in which he isn't able 2 beat(because Nairo and Otori are dead even vs MK... u can watch the APEX2012 GF over and over and you will agree that every match could have gone either way)
9(B) has be surpassed by Vinnie... who in 2 out of the 3 biggest tourneys minus APEX2012 has PROVEN that he can be the BEST.
10 ESAM is officially the best ICs in the world now(Not even meatriding since I'm from fl)
11 Now that Americans have traveled ppl from OOC won't be like"Americans never travel blah blah blah"
12 now that we see how Japan teams 2gether American teams are going 2 be more stacked with ACTUAL TEAM TACTICS!

2. USA =/= Japan. Japan is better. But its not some huge, insurmountable gap.
3. Correction. Vinnie has stepped it up since Apex.
4. this was the guy who made it out of pools with a bye for his first round, in a tournament where literally every player in the room could take games off of M2k, and you think he somehow caught a free bracket? come on son.
5. M2k deserved it. Dont go to the tournament if youre not going to know the rules. its each persons responsibility to know.
7. RAIN went ham. That boy is a champ.
10. Actually the fact that youre showing clear FL bias means that youre meatrider HARDER and for LESS LEGITIMATE reasons.
12. that would be nice.

just like every other fighting game, Japan's tops and America's tops are equal

it's just the density of skill that's different. all other nations bow to Japan's depth + distribution of quality players imo

this.

When the people placing dead last at this tournament can take friendly games off of M2K, you know that the average player skill is a bit higher than the U.S.

and this.

In any case I would definitely say Vinnie, M2K, Quik and Havok stepped up to the plate. People can talk ish about Quik's "easy" bracket, but that was in relation to the other side of the bracket. It was still hard overall and he was playing phenomenal. He defeated a top Marth and showed he could play at that level. Give the man his due. Hes not some "free European LOL", hes a very capable ZSS. Good job quik.

definitely that. Quik deserves some big ups.

so it's not crazy to think that Japan is solidly better than the US

Ultimately that doesnt really matter though. Japan>USA but we are capable of learning from them. Vinnie learned a ton and so did M2K. Quik obviously catapolted to high level from playing those players.

Thats not really fair to say. hes always been high level.

 

[B_AWAL]

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[Kuro~]

Subscribing

 

[Grim Tuesday]

National pride is so dumb.

 

[Keitaro]

What is this talk about play better in pools??

Mew2King, Nietono, 9B, and Otori all got 1st seeds and were placed next to each other so there was no way to play better in pools.

 

[Tesh]

there were alot of first seeds, no reason to seed them better than other first seeds

 

[Keitaro]

A reason imo is from previous tournament results/records. I do not think seeds should be randomized.

They manually put people into pools. If they are going to randomize seeds they might as well randomize pools and let M2K and Rain be in the same pool. I see nearly no difference.

As a heads up it is very common of TOs to manually seed brackets after pools while still following seed orders, at least in the US.

 

[infiniteV115]

Let it be known that I <3 Quik

 

[Kuro~]

Quik is amazing

Spoiler

For using zss AND samus

 

[Unneurotic]

Rain vs Vinnie final moments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEBxMCU9RUw

 

[Jimmyfosho]

SRT vids are being uploaded to numaburamovie YT channel.

 

[-MAC- Miguel]

Japan vs USA is soo HYPE! any word on a list of confirmed
Japanese players coming out to APEX2013???

 

[Baskerville]

9B is coming, don't know about the rest.
I REALLY want to see Abadango come to see how he fairs against the rest of the world.

 

[Jimmyfosho]

Hyde6tetsu9 seems to be uploading some videos (or at least he just uploaded Shu vs Mikeneko)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Shu didn't even play against Mikeneko ... unless it was pools.

Edit: OK, it's not a tourney vid ...

 

[Keitaro]

Now that I think about it Hayase is kinda like Anti since Anti rarely enters Nationals but can beat Nairo/M2K/Esam and such.

I can say Anti dropping out of Apex 2012 pools is similar to Hayase not doing SRT.

 

[DEHF]

Now that I think about it Hayase is kinda like Anti since Anti rarely enters Nationals but can beat Nairo/M2K/Esam and such.

I can say Anti dropping out of Apex 2012 pools is similar to Hayase not doing SRT.

More like Anti going to Genesis 2 since he didn't enter singles.

 

[Vinnie]

10 ESAM is officially the best ICs in the world now(Not even meatriding since I'm from FL

How can you be this ****ing ********?

Unless you're trolling, then my bad lol.

 

[Alphicans]

That whole post was really confusing. Either good troll or really dumb

 

[Dcold]

I don't think he's trolling

 

[C.J.]

That... that is just B_AWAL

 

[JTsm]

FL likes to meatride each other. It's normal.

 

[B_AWAL]

How can you be this ****ing ********?

Unless you're trolling, then my bad lol.

Totally trollin(I admitted I was FL meatridin/trollin a while back)

Congrats & Thank you 4 doin what u did in Japan. U MERELY lost... There wasn't a player that was "better" than you @ that tourney.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Totally trollin(I admitted I was FL meatridin/trollin a while back)

Congrats & Thank you 4 doin what u did in Japan. U MERELY lost... There wasn't a player that was "better" than you @ that tourney.

Liar. You just caved and said you were trolling cause Vinnie posted in the thread and you didn't wanna seem like a stooge.

 

[B_AWAL]

B4 I read what u said let me clairify... I'm gonna say ESAM is da bess no matter what cuz of FL bias...(& its fun trolling u)

Nope not a stooge





Come correct b4 u call some1 a liar


SN: BAM is correct... it was a great day 4 brawl. But now that I think about it we need to start getting more players from places outside of the USA, Canada, Japan & Europe. I'm certain there are many more players.

 

[Dcold]

I died at U MERELY lost

 

[B_AWAL]

Last Match Last Stock means close 2 me

 

[#HBC | Scary]

All I know is.....

I WANT SOME DAIKI VIDS!

That is all.

 

[Dcold]

Just thinking of it made me laugh so hard