Supermodel From Paris
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ZSS/Sheik only characters to place in the top 10 who weren't basically expected to, fyi
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Japanese Video Thread
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Djent
Smash Champion
Nietono doesn't care much anymore, but yeah 2-0 is still shocking and impressive. Also, it's sad that Brood will never get another chance to beat him now that he's retiring. :olimarbrawl:
I somehow expected Vinnie to take a set from 9B before leaving, but I didn't expect it to be in the losers' bracket, allowing him to outplace his hero. Seriously, good ****. :icsbrawl:
In other news, :snakebrawl: is still > :diddybrawl:, and :zssbrawl: deserves her spot on the tier list. I also hope that people will start acting like JP > US, instead of all this ridiculous JP >>>>> US stuff I've been hearing for the past 6 months.
I somehow expected Vinnie to take a set from 9B before leaving, but I didn't expect it to be in the losers' bracket, allowing him to outplace his hero. Seriously, good ****. :icsbrawl:
In other news, :snakebrawl: is still > :diddybrawl:, and :zssbrawl: deserves her spot on the tier list. I also hope that people will start acting like JP > US, instead of all this ridiculous JP >>>>> US stuff I've been hearing for the past 6 months.
clowsui
Smash Legend
EXTREMELY happy for Vinnie. Good ****.
As for Masha, he's a good player but **** him. M2K might have been able to clinch a better placing were it not for the fact that Masha is such a little grimer. You can't and shouldn't be able to bring up understage travel clause AFTER you lose a set. -___- Bring it up immediately or not at all.
As for Masha, he's a good player but **** him. M2K might have been able to clinch a better placing were it not for the fact that Masha is such a little grimer. You can't and shouldn't be able to bring up understage travel clause AFTER you lose a set. -___- Bring it up immediately or not at all.
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
Good **** USA,
ADN GOOD **** QUIK !!!
ADN GOOD **** QUIK !!!
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
As much as Jason gets away with out here, he deserves to get Cheese'd for once.
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
mk wins yet again and takes up 2 of the top 3.
nothing cool here
nothing cool here
BlueXenon
Smash Lord
deleted, this was probably off topic
Vinnie went across the world to Japan and almost won it all, how is that not cool? Have you no national pride?!?!
eviljar626
Smash Rookie
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well gotta say i didnt expect vinnie to do this. and im slightly surprized there were so many non japsese in top 12. now whats next tourney wise to look forward too? and where can i find all vids from SRT? And is there any way to download vids off of twitch.tv? And i wonder what would have happened if Hayase had entered?
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Where were all the snakes? Did they place that poorly or did they not come?
eviljar626
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i didnt see shu there but kuroobi did i thought
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
Shu and Kuroobi got 25th. Shogun placed the highest with Snake at 9th.
They kinda got beat up
But it was a hard tournament and the seeding was terrible.
clowsui
Smash Legend
Terrible seeding? Blame that on people who place poorly in pools LOL, top6 get out
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
The placement of the 1st seeds was actually terrible.
Makes no sense that Nietono, 9B, Otori, and Mew2King were all in the same Quarters bracket while Quiksilver had pretty much a free ride to Rain.
Don't even get me started with the Kakera/Havok side of the bracket lolol.
In the end the best players will progress, just makes it a lot harder for some of the players who already proved their worth. Brood got kinda gayed.
Makes no sense that Nietono, 9B, Otori, and Mew2King were all in the same Quarters bracket while Quiksilver had pretty much a free ride to Rain.
Don't even get me started with the Kakera/Havok side of the bracket lolol.
In the end the best players will progress, just makes it a lot harder for some of the players who already proved their worth. Brood got kinda gayed.
I'm confused where the outrage is for the DQ, it's M2K's own fault. his playstyle is frequently to play to the very very edge of what is legal so he should always be aware of exactly what the rules are. I would've liked to see him do better and it is kind of lame to have that called after the fact, but we've all seen how he plays against hard competition, you can't be that shocked that he finally crossed the line with the stalling
dumb rule though to be a set loss instead of just that game, but if planking and scrooging are cornerstones of your game you need to be cognizant of these things
dumb rule though to be a set loss instead of just that game, but if planking and scrooging are cornerstones of your game you need to be cognizant of these things
B.A.M.
Smash Lord
yeah clowsui iono what you are saying right now. It was bad. Tons of solid players got bracket ***** for no reason. Quik got his dream bracket pretty much. He performed amazingly, but theres just no reason as Keitaro said that Nietono, 9B, Otori, and M2k are are battling out while others are just chillin.
How does that seem logical to you? Would you like the Heat to play Celtics first round? Or Lakers vs OKC? Thats stupid.
@etecoon: It was only a game not a set loss. M2k got ***** next game and then he raged quit last stock. THATS how he lost. Masha destroyed him and he got sad and walked off at 89%. I feel bad cuz he was performing phenomenal that day, but hey it is what it is. You dont attempt to time out and not know the rules. Thats stupid. I dont care about the language barrier; find someone to explain the rules to u. Simple as that. Thats no excuse. The only thing I feel bad about is his bracket. That said he played well and I was proud of him. Him raging isnt surprising; Jason rages all the time and he got Cheese'd half way around the world. Masha took the opportunity and then ***** him afterwards.
How does that seem logical to you? Would you like the Heat to play Celtics first round? Or Lakers vs OKC? Thats stupid.
@etecoon: It was only a game not a set loss. M2k got ***** next game and then he raged quit last stock. THATS how he lost. Masha destroyed him and he got sad and walked off at 89%. I feel bad cuz he was performing phenomenal that day, but hey it is what it is. You dont attempt to time out and not know the rules. Thats stupid. I dont care about the language barrier; find someone to explain the rules to u. Simple as that. Thats no excuse. The only thing I feel bad about is his bracket. That said he played well and I was proud of him. Him raging isnt surprising; Jason rages all the time and he got Cheese'd half way around the world. Masha took the opportunity and then ***** him afterwards.
ah, I didn't get to watch this part of the stream(if it was streamed) and I had read that it was 2-0 without the additional details
and yeah it's hard to come back from getting cheese'd mentally, happened to me once and I wound up losing by playing like complete garbage afterward even though I'd had a large advantage before that. it's frustrating but it is what it is
clowsui
Smash Legend
While I think the bracket could've been made better, on a TO'ing standpoint this just means that RAIN either believes in the same philosophies that you do and made a mistake or he believes that it's bracket manipulation to treat more than one or two 1 seeds as "special".
Once you have pools you always introduce the question of "how much should they count"? Furthermore you should always remove your bias in the treatment of a bracket and try not to project too far (that's called bracket manipulation). While it's a little crazy that Nie/9B/Otori/M2K were all the same quarter, other quarters of the bracket have other players capable of performing similarly given the correct circumstances. Given that you had pools and you used them to adjust the bracket, it's factually unfair to say that any of those 4 players deserve special treatment (bar like 9B, who actually DID receive special treatment but not in the same sense as I mean and was matched up against someone in WBR1 because RAIN knows what's up, you should at least play 1 qualifying match if you didn't play pools).
Look if I'd told you that 9B, Nietono and M2K were playing worse than they normally do that day or something, then I'm pretty sure the bracket would've been fine (bar Quik's weird 1/8th). I think that by a "current results" argument you could say that 9B/Nietono/M2K/Otori shouldn't have been in the same quarter but at the same time RAIN's "bad TO'ing" could just be a difference in prevalence of pool seeding
Once you have pools you always introduce the question of "how much should they count"? Furthermore you should always remove your bias in the treatment of a bracket and try not to project too far (that's called bracket manipulation). While it's a little crazy that Nie/9B/Otori/M2K were all the same quarter, other quarters of the bracket have other players capable of performing similarly given the correct circumstances. Given that you had pools and you used them to adjust the bracket, it's factually unfair to say that any of those 4 players deserve special treatment (bar like 9B, who actually DID receive special treatment but not in the same sense as I mean and was matched up against someone in WBR1 because RAIN knows what's up, you should at least play 1 qualifying match if you didn't play pools).
Look if I'd told you that 9B, Nietono and M2K were playing worse than they normally do that day or something, then I'm pretty sure the bracket would've been fine (bar Quik's weird 1/8th). I think that by a "current results" argument you could say that 9B/Nietono/M2K/Otori shouldn't have been in the same quarter but at the same time RAIN's "bad TO'ing" could just be a difference in prevalence of pool seeding
BlueXenon
Smash Lord
From the tournament's thread:
King Omega
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As far as M2K getting "*****" by Masha in the return game goes, he didn't really. The one time we saw him go in he was basically just nairing Masha out of Phantasm seven times in a row, but he made the usual M2K decision of "camp poorly, rack up damage, die," and then killed himself on purpose. He gave up at the beginning of that match, which was a stupid and ****ty decision.
B_AWAL
Smash Master
1. Vinnie has **** all over ALL doubters
2. USA AND JAPAN ARE EQUAL
3. USA stepped it up since Apex
4. I honestly was thinking Europe/Quik was legit until every1 said his bracket was free until Rain(who he lost 2 and then lost the next immediate match I think).
5. M2K got ****ed over... no1 told him the rule and in all honesty there was no reason 4 Masha... a player equal 2 DEHF to take a taited win like that.
6. Sonic dittos suck ***
7. I'm proud of Rain the most! He went from getting whooped w/ falco @ Apex 2010 and won SRT w/ MK. That's A LOT of improvement!
8. M2K should be proud and keep his head held high. Bcuz his only solid losses came from a MU he had no exp in(Earth) & an aggressive MK(Otori) that is a style in which he isn't able 2 beat(because Nairo and Otori are dead even vs MK... u can watch the APEX2012 GF over and over and you will agree that every match could have gone either way)
9(B) has be surpassed by Vinnie... who in 2 out of the 3 biggest tourneys minus APEX2012 has PROVEN that he can be the BEST.
10 ESAM is officially the best ICs in the world now(Not even meatriding since I'm from fl)
11 Now that Americans have traveled ppl from OOC won't be like"Americans never travel blah blah blah"
12 now that we see how Japan teams 2gether American teams are going 2 be more stacked with ACTUAL TEAM TACTICS!
2. USA AND JAPAN ARE EQUAL
3. USA stepped it up since Apex
4. I honestly was thinking Europe/Quik was legit until every1 said his bracket was free until Rain(who he lost 2 and then lost the next immediate match I think).
5. M2K got ****ed over... no1 told him the rule and in all honesty there was no reason 4 Masha... a player equal 2 DEHF to take a taited win like that.
6. Sonic dittos suck ***
7. I'm proud of Rain the most! He went from getting whooped w/ falco @ Apex 2010 and won SRT w/ MK. That's A LOT of improvement!
8. M2K should be proud and keep his head held high. Bcuz his only solid losses came from a MU he had no exp in(Earth) & an aggressive MK(Otori) that is a style in which he isn't able 2 beat(because Nairo and Otori are dead even vs MK... u can watch the APEX2012 GF over and over and you will agree that every match could have gone either way)
9(B) has be surpassed by Vinnie... who in 2 out of the 3 biggest tourneys minus APEX2012 has PROVEN that he can be the BEST.
10 ESAM is officially the best ICs in the world now(Not even meatriding since I'm from fl)
11 Now that Americans have traveled ppl from OOC won't be like"Americans never travel blah blah blah"
12 now that we see how Japan teams 2gether American teams are going 2 be more stacked with ACTUAL TEAM TACTICS!
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
Because Vinnie beat Brood, Otori, 9B, Rain, Yui, and Masha placing 2nd at Japan's biggest tournament. Plus M2K beat Nietono and Kakera. Those two players alone beat all of Japan's best players in a span of 2 tournaments.
Hayase and SLS lost?
clowsui
Smash Legend
just like every other fighting game, Japan's tops and America's tops are equal
it's just the density of skill that's different. all other nations bow to Japan's depth + distribution of quality players imo
it's just the density of skill that's different. all other nations bow to Japan's depth + distribution of quality players imo
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
Hayase and SLS lost?
When the people placing dead last at this tournament can take friendly games off of M2K, you know that the average player skill is a bit higher than the U.S.
Apex 2012When the people placing dead last at this tournament can take friendly games off of M2K, you know that the average player skill is a bit higher than the U.S.
49. Vinnie
B.A.M.
Smash Lord
yeah come on now lol. M2k said it best, ' Everyone here could probably beat me.' Japan is still better than US. Vinnie and M2k both leveled up a ton due to their extra dedication and the Japanese teaching. they were teaching both different tactics, ESPECIALLY Vinnie. Vinnie got that premium mentorship.
@B_AWL : You have horrendous logic. 9B > Vinnie over all. But Vinnie on point is far closer than before. Esam isnt better than 9B or Vinnie. IC dittos dont dictate that.
Japan's ratio of talent per player is still remarkable.
In any case I would definitely say Vinnie, M2K, Quik and Havok stepped up to the plate. People can talk ish about Quik's "easy" bracket, but that was in relation to the other side of the bracket. It was still hard overall and he was playing phenomenal. He defeated a top Marth and showed he could play at that level. Give the man his due. Hes not some "free European LOL", hes a very capable ZSS. Good job quik.
Overall I think this was a good day for Brawl. Vinnie was mad close to victory, some Japanese Wifi Snake putting others on blast, Earth domination of M2k, Masha doing work, and 9B losing another 2 sets in his IC career.
The only thing im annoyed at really is IC dittos; I wish it didnt go down like that. Whether 9B or Vinnie won I would mind either way but the way it happen.ugh. Didnt looked earned at all. Takes a certain skill level to take advantage of such scenarios and that in itself shows Vinnies improvement but yeah. Worst set in the tournament imo.
Can we finally have some raw Pits now besides Koolaid? Earth was lookin beast.
@B_AWL : You have horrendous logic. 9B > Vinnie over all. But Vinnie on point is far closer than before. Esam isnt better than 9B or Vinnie. IC dittos dont dictate that.
Japan's ratio of talent per player is still remarkable.
In any case I would definitely say Vinnie, M2K, Quik and Havok stepped up to the plate. People can talk ish about Quik's "easy" bracket, but that was in relation to the other side of the bracket. It was still hard overall and he was playing phenomenal. He defeated a top Marth and showed he could play at that level. Give the man his due. Hes not some "free European LOL", hes a very capable ZSS. Good job quik.
Overall I think this was a good day for Brawl. Vinnie was mad close to victory, some Japanese Wifi Snake putting others on blast, Earth domination of M2k, Masha doing work, and 9B losing another 2 sets in his IC career.
The only thing im annoyed at really is IC dittos; I wish it didnt go down like that. Whether 9B or Vinnie won I would mind either way but the way it happen.ugh. Didnt looked earned at all. Takes a certain skill level to take advantage of such scenarios and that in itself shows Vinnies improvement but yeah. Worst set in the tournament imo.
Can we finally have some raw Pits now besides Koolaid? Earth was lookin beast.
SaveMeJebus
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Two of their best players didn't attend (one of them, an IC slayer) so it's not crazy to think that Japan is solidly better than the USI also hope that people will start acting like JP > US, instead of all this ridiculous JP >>>>> US stuff I've been hearing for the past 6 months.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Typo or the meatriding levels have made you hallucinate?10 ESAM is officially the best ICs in the world now(Not even meatriding since I'm from fl)
9B/Rain/Otori/Rain//Kakera/Brood/Mikeneko/Abadango/Yui/Shu/Kuroobi/Akira were all there...who else would u think of as a difference maker in the bracket...Hayase/SLS/Nagahari I guess being the only other players that may have changed results.
Also at M.A.D., m2k deserves props for actually beating nietono, the best olimar in the world, in a mu where he(m2k) has struggled with since day 1.
SaveMeJebus
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Hayase not attending SRT would be like if Esam had not attended Apex 2012
Keitaro
Banned via Administration
No, I wouldn't say it is to that extent. Hayase is kinda like SLS, but possibly better.
He rarely plays the other part of Japan where most of the top players are (Otori, Nietono, Yui, Shu, Masha)
Hayase is really good, but all I see him doing is beating 9B once a year or so. And as shown here, 9B is certainly beatable so I wouldn't say Hayase is as important as Esam. He is just able to beat 9B and is really good but do you really think he'd destroy Nietono/M2K/Otori/Vinnie? I dunno.
He rarely plays the other part of Japan where most of the top players are (Otori, Nietono, Yui, Shu, Masha)
Hayase is really good, but all I see him doing is beating 9B once a year or so. And as shown here, 9B is certainly beatable so I wouldn't say Hayase is as important as Esam. He is just able to beat 9B and is really good but do you really think he'd destroy Nietono/M2K/Otori/Vinnie? I dunno.
B.A.M.
Smash Lord
Very true Jebus. Thats like M2K or Anti not being around. I do think the players that went leveled up substantially.
You know more and more i think about what took place, I wonder what wouldve happened if quik just went for the free kill game 1 "triple dsmash>uair" instead of a spike. quik actually was doing well against Rain. Then Nietono gave Rain some simple advice and I guess it paid off. Quik, you made Germany proud.
You know more and more i think about what took place, I wonder what wouldve happened if quik just went for the free kill game 1 "triple dsmash>uair" instead of a spike. quik actually was doing well against Rain. Then Nietono gave Rain some simple advice and I guess it paid off. Quik, you made Germany proud.
well hayase's pika vs m2k's mk would be interesting to watch though i think after a little adaptation and some getting used to certain gimmicks/tactics, m2k would win since he's got a **** ton of experience against esam's pika.
The mk ditto is a different story as its been proven that aggressive mk's which japan seems to rep very well gives m2k a bit of trouble (although nairo is aggressive as hell and m2k beats him 9 times out of 10).
Also are ganbaranai/shu the same person?