Is melee the most technical game?

[XSkyShadowX]

this question has been in my head for a while now.. some people say MVC2 or w.e is as technical but i dont see how it is? yea its Fast paste but its not THAT technical. and some people pointed the finger towards the tekken games.. what do you guys think about melee? is it the most technical game out there? i mean just imagine how many Imputs per minute a technical fox player like Dark or S.W or myself does.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Marvel 2s definitly on par (I'm pretty damn sure you don't know how to fly un fly with Sent) and Guilty Gears harder.

Since you said most technical GAME and not FIGHTING GAME then add SC2.

 

[Zodiac]

Its pretty damn close, I hear constantly that melee and mvc2 are the two most technical fighting games out there.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Guilty Gear is the hardest fighting game ever. Easily. There's a tech with I-no that takes a MINIMUM of a year to learn.

 

[SpaceFalcon]

gunz, starcraft 1, mvc2

my un-biased opinion meele is probably at the top tech wise.

 

[rhan]

Marvel 2s definitly on par (I'm pretty damn sure you don't know how to fly un fly with Sent) and Guilty Gears harder.

Since you said most technical GAME and not FIGHTING GAME then add SC2.

Assuming that meant Starcraft 2. Brood War is definitly more technical. SC2 made things easier.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

eh, i don't think you can state that theres a tech that takes that long no matter what, i guarantee there's people proving otherwise. as for 'easily' i don't see your proof/source in that. guilty gear may be technical but as a game itself it isn't that fast paced. and with that makes it overall slower, i can't agree with you.

also these games are all different kinds of technical, it's hard to simply state which is more techy. esp. something like melee to guilty gear.

 

[Doser]

gunz, starcraft 1, mvc2

my un-biased opinion meele is probably at the top tech wise.

gunz good joke bro

also it isn't labeled as starcraft 1

 

[ETWIST51294]

Assuming that meant Starcraft 2. Brood War is definitly more technical. SC2 made things easier.

I'm not really in to games like that, my mistake.

eh, i don't think you can state that theres a tech that takes that long no matter what, i guarantee there's people proving otherwise. as for 'easily' i don't see your proof/source in that. guilty gear may be technical but as a game itself it isn't that fast paced. and with that makes it overall slower, i can't agree with you.

also these games are all different kinds of technical, it's hard to simply state which is more techy. esp. something like melee to guilty gear.

You maybe don't agree with me, but the entire FG community KNOWS that GGAC is the hardest FG. The only game thats on par is VF (although I can't speak for that cause i don't play 3D fighters). And GGAC is extremly fast past. idk what you're talking about.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

I'm not really in to games like that, my mistake.



You maybe don't agree with me, but the entire FG community KNOWS that GGAC is the hardest FG. The only game thats on par is VF (although I can't speak for that cause i don't play 3D fighters). And GGAC is extremly fast past. idk what you're talking about.

obviously the entire community backs their own game.

everyone in GGAC feels incredibly heavy. you may consider it fast but watching it in comparison to an actual fast VS game, or melee, it looks slow. it may have fast rhythms for combos and techs but that doesn't mean the game itself is that fast.

 

[Brightside6382]

yea its Fast paste but its not THAT technical.

oh man I lol'd. good stuff

 

[ETWIST51294]

You gotta consider how fast Melee and Marvel are though. They're FAST. GGAC is fast as **** too, it's definitly not slow, but it ain't as fast as Marvel.

Most people settle on VF3, GGAC, MvC2, and Melee (if people aren't being elitists). I've seen 3S tossed around but I honestly don't know why.

And GG is hard because of the execution of your hands not the speed of your hands. IDK hard = technical in my book.

 

[Ripple]

gunz but only way back, when you could quad butterfly

 

[Hydro_Smasher]

Melee is my favorite technical game. I love it when noobs see me play are liek : "omg your sucha button slammer how do u win"

Star craft 2 on a technical level is a joke.

Haven't play MVC2, but it looks fun, same for guility gear

 

[Frolossus]

starcraft broodwar for sure

 

[Metal Reeper]

MvC2 is insane. Lookup how to do the AT's you can WD in that game as well. Everything in the game is cancelable so there are infinite possibilities. Look up how to super jump cancel combo with Magneto.

 

[rhan]

Melee is my favorite technical game. I love it when noobs see me play are liek : "omg your sucha button slammer how do u win"

Star craft 2 on a technical level is a joke.

Haven't play MVC2, but it looks fun, same for guility gear

Wings of Liberty is technical. But just not as technical as Brood War because they made things easier in some aspects that crippled most players (puting workers on the mineral line, the drone/unit rally split, etc.). There are still apects of the game that makes it technical. Micro and the new mechanics like Warp gates, reactors/tech labs, larva and creep spread, etc.

 

[ETWIST51294]

MvC2 is insane. Lookup how to do the AT's you can WD in that game as well. Everything in the game is cancelable so there are infinite possibilities. Look up how to super jump cancel combo with Magneto.

SJ cancel combos? You can do those with anyone, and they're easy as ****. lol

Look up rom or something.

And before someone brings up infinites, Magnetos normally go for the reset and IM is the only character that infinites all of the time.

 

[JPOBS]

why does it matter?

 

[Lovage]

Mvc2 and guilty are two really technical 2d fighters

starcraft brood war is probably the most technical game

but isn't counter-strike really technical too? getting good at shooting is really ***ing hard in that game

so it kinda just depends on what technical means

melees still really ****ing technical and complex tho

 

[l0telephone0l]

Counterstrike (1.6 and esp. Source) isn't very technical. Movement, positioning, and good teamwork is more important. Headshotting becomes second nature.

SCBW is extremely technical, but a lot of the principles that you have in SCBW (drone splitting, magic boxing/stacking, terran micro, manual surrounds) you can also apply in SC2. It's not as necessary because of the AI, but the pathing is SC2 is still pretty bad and if you have people with equal amounts of economic management (macro), the one with the greater micro is very apparent. Then again, you have ridiculous people like Flash with average APMs of 300 with spikes in the 1000s during times of duress.

MvC2 is really technical, but I think Melee is up on the list of most technical games out there. MvC2, GG, Melee, SCBW all require ridiculous dexterity to get the most from each game.

 

[Metal Reeper]

Yeah I ment to say rom infinite but I forgot what it was called. Tons of characters have infinites. IDK MvC2 and Melee for me.

 

[Luma]

lol @ headshotting becomes second nature?

ever watched korean teams?

 

[ETWIST51294]

Yeah I ment to say rom infinite but I forgot what it was called. Tons of characters have infinites. IDK MvC2 and Melee for me.

I ment viable infinites. And I forgot Storm infinite on Sent.

 

[ballin4life]

Mvc2 and guilty are two really technical 2d fighters

starcraft brood war is probably the most technical game

but isn't counter-strike really technical too? getting good at shooting is really ***ing hard in that game

so it kinda just depends on what technical means

melees still really ****ing technical and complex tho

If you're going shooters you have to say Quake.

Aiming is part tech skill part prediction, but anyway for Quake you have to learn how to aim Lightning Gun, Rail Gun, Rockets and even Plasma Gun which are all very different.

That's not even mentioning jumping/movement, which is incredibly important. You have to know how to strafe jump really well to be good.

It's definitely way more than Counter-Strike.

 

[Deleted member]

technical:

1. sc:bw absolutely no question, the amount of finesse and speed u need is ridiculous and at highest levels every single edge/shortcut counts

marvel2/ guiltygear

melee/quake/sf3

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50.sc2 (probably being generous, sc2 is a huge joke compared to sc1)
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350000. brawl
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803181. mvc3

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[Zone]

Wings of Liberty is technical. But just not as technical as Brood War because they made things easier in some aspects that crippled most players (puting workers on the mineral line, the drone/unit rally split, etc.). There are still apects of the game that makes it technical. Micro and the new mechanics like Warp gates, reactors/tech labs, larva and creep spread, etc.

^what rhan said. Except Starcraft 2 technical skill is not a joke. Maybe if you're diamond. But if you wanna be a
Pro you need to average alot higher than some of what even fox does completely in control. When you get hit in melée your apm drops, not the case in sc2. NaDa averages like 400 apm. Sure at the start it's useless spam clicking much like a fox spamming tech between stocks. But once the game gets going NaDa's eyes are everywhere he rarely misses something that enters his range of vision because of this speed.

 

[Deleted member]

^what rhan said. Except Starcraft 2 technical skill is not a joke. Maybe if you're diamond. But if you wanna be a
Pro you need to average alot higher than some of what even fox does completely in control. When you get hit in melée your apm drops, not the case in sc2. NaDa averages like 400 apm. Sure at the start it's useless spam clicking much like a fox spamming tech between stocks. But once the game gets going NaDa's eyes are everywhere he rarely misses something that enters his range of vision because of this speed.

by itself its not a joke


compare to sc1 where its infinitely harder

its a joke

 

[Zone]

by itself its not a joke


compare to sc1 where its infinitely harder

its a joke

True but aren't we comparing to melée? Someone saying sc2 is a joke compared melée is what I was addressing.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Melee beats 3S clean.

 

[Zone]

3S? What's that?

 

[Mizar]

Streetfighter 3rd strike I assume

 

[King Funk]

Technicality is a very subjective matter.

 

[TakFR]

Guilty Gear from a 2D fighter perspective (Although I prefer 3S =D)

I-no has one frame combos in her BNB ._.

 

[keeper]

Definitely Virtua Fighter.

 

[Lawrencelot]

Mario Party

 

[Rubyiris]

gunz but only way back, when you could quad butterfly

i miss these days.

Lol I remember ijji banning monk for being mad technical. **** was funny.

also stuff like double half-step were much harder than most of what you can to in smash lol.

 

[>Bert<]

These ppl are delusional --> http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/27108857
Melee isn't even on the list.

And this one --> http://allisfighter.com/blogpost.aspx?id=32454&page=3
After Silent Wolf's post, some dude bashes him.

 

[ph00tbag]

Mario Party 4

bichaz

 

[Walt]

You gotta consider how fast Melee and Marvel are though. They're FAST. GGAC is fast as **** too, it's definitly not slow, but it ain't as fast as Marvel.

Most people settle on VF3, GGAC, MvC2, and Melee (if people aren't being elitists). I've seen 3S tossed around but I honestly don't know why.

And GG is hard because of the execution of your hands not the speed of your hands. IDK hard = technical in my book.

GG still requires fast hand speed. Doing things like Slayer's baskdash jump cancel bite loop infinite in GGX2 was hitting back back>jump>half circle back hard slash in 4 frames. There are also things like 1 frame jumps to get out of some characters ground traps which on the first frame of jumping you hit back+punch+kick for faultless defense to cancel your 4 frame jump animation so you get off the ground faster and a lot of people just do that every time they jump and it's used to start combos earlier too.


but I play Potemkin who requires like no tech skill lol.