Heartstring
Smash Legend
Ussi's away, And I'm at a smashfest
It's shared with 7 other people and i think only one other is a student. I live alone in my room and i share my bathroom with one other person
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Ike Boards General/Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Teh Brettster
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It's shared with 7 other people and i think only one other is a student. I live alone in my room and i share my bathroom with one other person
No MUs at all although taking a look, Marth and Snake are looking pretty nice. MK is definitely my worst MU in theory, but even though MK is legal where I live, nobody uses him
I just wanted to use somebody new and Ike seemed pretty fun. Fire Emblem kinda pushed me towards Ike too, and I try to stay away from high tiers 
Make some sort of cleaning agreement asap because otherwise nobody's gonna clean and the place is gonna be filthy. Dust will build up everywhere, including the washrooms. Also, discuss food otherwise things will be taken/stolen. I recommend doing dishes immediately because it becomes more of a daunting task as time goes on. I've seen a lot of this stuff and it's super gross >.<
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Ah, okay. Yeah, Ike is a lot of fun once you get to know his really good traits. I found I started having fun with Ike when I accepted his really glaring flaws lol.No MUs at all although taking a look, Marth and Snake are looking pretty nice. MK is definitely my worst MU in theory, but even though MK is legal where I live, nobody uses him
Omg, this. I've been rooming with a guy this summer that will maybe clean his dishes once a week, and his dishes pile up like crazy. All of our spoons were literally in the sink at one point (I think we have like something like 16 tea/tablespoons total), and I only use spoons for breakfast in the morning and clean them before doing anything else. >_> It gets super frustrating going "hey, can you clean your dishes" every few days, so I've stopped trying. I always think it's annoying when you know someone's cool as a person, but has this kind of trait as a roommate @.@
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Everyone else is already established within the household, Im the only newcomer so i think **** like that is already done
ill do it myself anyways
Also watched Ryo and Doom on the stream, Everyone in the uk smashmansion was shouting MESSATSU at the screen when ryo was going in
That's not bad at all. Good job
Oh can you list just a few of each?
Heartstring
Smash Legend
The good:
-Power You can pretty much guarantee a kill move is
-Most damaging jab combo in the game, And very god jab cancelling
-The range
-Transcendant priortiy on all aerial (this means it can go through nado at all times)
The bad:
-The speed. Only 3 moves with decent speed
-Mobility, He doesn't have it
-He can get camped...hard
-His recovery is bad and slow
The ugly:
-This hitbox (note the gaps)
http://i36.tinypic.com/2zny24o.gif
-Power You can pretty much guarantee a kill move is
-Most damaging jab combo in the game, And very god jab cancelling
-The range
-Transcendant priortiy on all aerial (this means it can go through nado at all times)
The bad:
-The speed. Only 3 moves with decent speed
-Mobility, He doesn't have it
-He can get camped...hard
-His recovery is bad and slow
The ugly:
-This hitbox (note the gaps)
http://i36.tinypic.com/2zny24o.gif
Ohh thanks. Sounds like Zelda but better
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Never really though of him like that, More like ganon with a sword. but i spose that works too
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Good:
+Jab and grab game. I'm sure you already know about his jab, but he's got the Bthrow->DA combo that gets people offstage easily, and Fthrow/Bthrow CG/infinites on some walls in certain situations. Also, Dthrow is really good at low %s for frame traps and platform reads.
+Viable and strong kill options. Bair, Uair, and Ftilt are really good kill moves and should usually be fresh enough since you have jab to refresh your moves and even if one move is good in a MU, the others will be fresh.
+Walling out options with Fair and retreating Bair. You can create a decent wall against taller/bigger enemies with full hop Fairs, and a well-spaced retreating Bair is more or less unpunishable. These let Ike control his space and force riskier approaches.
+A couple of frame traps with Nair and USmash make the task of getting kills from someone approaching the ground easier than it normally would be, though not always easy to set up.
Bad:
-Recovery. Ike's second jump is only okay, and he can take loads of damage offstage because it often turns into rock-paper-scissors with air dodges and wall of pain tactics. Aether has plenty of ways to get messed up, but most of them won't (and most of the time, shouldn't) get you killed, but that tacks on damage. Quick Draw you have to be smart about using, usually the safest way to use it is from high up, otherwise you're screwed @.@
-Has problems with camping and planking, which is part of what hurts him against Falco and Olimar. If another character sets the pace at long-range, Ike may have trouble getting in.
-Not really specific to Ike, but powershielding can wreck Ike pretty badly. The real weakness here is the very long cooldown on a majority of his moves, which is why a powershield will be so effective. As a result, you may notice Ikes don't use too many different moves (Nair, Fair, jab, Bair are really the staples), because they involve more risk. At the very least, I notice I do considerably better when my total Smash attacks are less than 5 lol. Then again, I only play MKs in bracket so...
Wow thanks a lot for that! I guess I'll practise a lot more against CPUs and bring him to smashfests and tourneys. I don't mind placing last a few times with Ike.
I can see Falco and Olimar giving Ike a hard time Luckily Peach covers Olimar and Falco/Peach is my favourite matchup
I can see Falco and Olimar giving Ike a hard time
Luckily Peach covers Olimar and Falco/Peach is my favourite matchup 
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Ike's mobility isn't that bad. I thought his aerial speed was around Toon Link's or Pikachu's (one of the two, can't remember who), and his dash speed certainly isn't bad.
As others have said: excellent jab game and killing power. With his jab's hitstun and bthrow to dash attack, Ike is one of the better comboers in the game. Kinda. Depends on how you look at it. And any move that isn't Uthrow, Fthrow, or Bthrow can kill, though obviously you don't want to be going for kills with Nair or Dsmash.
Learn how to jab cancel, and learn how to mix up your recovery the little bit Ike can. After that just learn the timing for bthrow -> dash attack. You use Peach and Zelda, I'm going to assume you know how to space but in a nutshell: if you want quick spacing options use bair, if you want massive range use retreating fair, if you want something in between or with more lingering frames use nair.
As others have said: excellent jab game and killing power. With his jab's hitstun and bthrow to dash attack, Ike is one of the better comboers in the game. Kinda. Depends on how you look at it. And any move that isn't Uthrow, Fthrow, or Bthrow can kill, though obviously you don't want to be going for kills with Nair or Dsmash.
Learn how to jab cancel, and learn how to mix up your recovery the little bit Ike can. After that just learn the timing for bthrow -> dash attack. You use Peach and Zelda, I'm going to assume you know how to space but in a nutshell: if you want quick spacing options use bair, if you want massive range use retreating fair, if you want something in between or with more lingering frames use nair.
Slaps
Smash Lord
Razer lost to Ryo, Reflex lost to Ryo.. All I have heard regarding Ike.... Ryo beat Shaky. (Shaky beat Trela)... Ryo vs Atomsk now game 3.. If he wins he is guaranteed 4th so he is already top 5... Ryo got 5th lost game 3 to atomsk barely.. really close
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Shoutouts to Ryo for that match against Atomsk... holy crap, that was intense.
Awesome job! That first SD on Frigate broke my heart
Blubolouis
Smash Lord
Ryo too good. Hope replays were saved :3
Aaven
Vagabond With Flowers ~
Ryo beat Razer? Good **** man.
The Top 5 thread doesn't mean much if Ike mains aren't getting results or placing well in tournaments so it's good to see Ryo going in against players like Razer and Atomsk.
I'll try to make some noise at ReveLAtions.
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Good stuff Ryo. I look forward to watching the matches on youtube later.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Ryo is currently best Ike.
By the way. Remember how I always choke?
Now the game does it for me.
Lost 3 pools/tourney sets due to falling through ledge. Drowned in pools after taking Dojo to last stock last game. Go figure.
By the way. Remember how I always choke?
Now the game does it for me.
Lost 3 pools/tourney sets due to falling through ledge. Drowned in pools after taking Dojo to last stock last game. Go figure.
Mr. Doom
Smash Hero
Ryo for best Ike, currently. Mr. Doom for...worst SDI Guy ever. And don't try to get me to come back into the scene.
Shoutouts to Ryo playing me in mid tier doubles. Shoutouts to him losing game 1 because they went double Sonic. >:[
smashkng
Smash Lord
Ike's slow start-up on his aerials is very problematic against mobile ground characters too. It makes Ike very easy to pressure as often the only way to avoid things to me seems to be air dodging. Our air mobility (NOT air speed) is pretty bad too, it ruins the spacing against fast characters, forcing me to play very risky against them Double jumping helps that a bit but unfortunately not completely. Another problem I feel Ike has is that his OoS options are OK at best. He has no solid punish against moves with huge amount of shield push. I wish too that Ike's dash grab was a bit faster and that his grab range was as long as Marth's.
About a strength not mentioned, it's that Ike is amazing at punishing ledge get ups. Fair and Nair cover so many ledge get up options and are really safe to spam when they're on the ledge.
And amazing job Ryo! You have too much fantasy in your head when you're playing the game.
Double jumping helps that a bit but unfortunately not completely. Another problem I feel Ike has is that his OoS options are OK at best. He has no solid punish against moves with huge amount of shield push. I wish too that Ike's dash grab was a bit faster and that his grab range was as long as Marth's. About a strength not mentioned, it's that Ike is amazing at punishing ledge get ups. Fair and Nair cover so many ledge get up options and are really safe to spam when they're on the ledge.
And amazing job Ryo! You have too much fantasy in your head when you're playing the game.
Slaps
Smash Lord
LMAO I had Dojo in my pool last year!!! Sorry Brett <3
Berserker Swordsman
Smash Lord
Mr. Doom for best Ike that won't quit.
@Brett, which stage?
@Brett, which stage?
Heartstring
Smash Legend
I was so drunk watching that match, Shouting at the screen and **** lol
John
but seriously, Thats unfortunate
Haha, You're so famous for your sdi everyone expects to see broken stuff from you lolRyo for best Ike, currently. Mr. Doom for...worst SDI Guy ever. And don't try to get me to come back into the scene.
Nice play though. I was so torn between people when you were playing espy and kprime, Friends playing against eachother. cheering for both teams lol
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Delfino, Halberd, and PS1
Ryo called me on the phone, I missed WHOBO 4 stream! Sounded amazing, watched the only YT vid of them up so far.
Thanks! You guys sure are enthusiastic about Ike, lol.Ike's slow start-up on his aerials is very problematic against mobile ground characters too. It makes Ike very easy to pressure as often the only way to avoid things to me seems to be air dodging. Our air mobility (NOT air speed) is pretty bad too, it ruins the spacing against fast characters, forcing me to play very risky against them
About a strength not mentioned, it's that Ike is amazing at punishing ledge get ups. Fair and Nair cover so many ledge get up options and are really safe to spam when they're on the ledge.
And amazing job Ryo! You have too much fantasy in your head when you're playing the game.
Got a couple more questions... what % should I consider doing back throw to dash attack? How is Ike's fair as ledge get-up attack (I have a habit of this from Peach)?
Working full time and taking a class in the summer really cuts down on Brawl time...
Also this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZ0WuNvHr8
theeboredone
Smash Legend
Back throw to dash attack is dependent on the character you are facing (weight properties.) With that being said, generally speaking, the 50% and above range is when you can start doing it.
Far as Ike's f-air used as a get up from edge attack, I like it, though I believe you can also use n-air, which has less lag on landing.
Far as Ike's f-air used as a get up from edge attack, I like it, though I believe you can also use n-air, which has less lag on landing.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
Nair is fully possible and probably the better option of the two
On the other hand, The timing is reasonably strict and if you dont get up onto the stage, You will die
On the other hand, The timing is reasonably strict and if you dont get up onto the stage, You will die
Oh thanks you guys! You're so much quicker and more (actually) responsive than the Peaches and Zeldas! I will defs try that out before I head to work!
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Happy birthday, G~P.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
50%? I thought only two characters were above 30%, and they were like 32%.
Get up options from the edge: Fair and Nair are the best if you actually want to get up on stage with the attack, though you can drop down and aether a few times to create some space first. I also like to mix it up with using Counter to get on stage: killed a D3 who was charging up his Fsmash doing that before. Quickdraw is another way to mix it up, though obviously use it rather sparingly/out of an edge grab jump in order to reach a higher platform.
Happy B-day GP.
Great job Ryo, I want to see the vids.
Senliten
Smash Lord
^ what he said
Happy Birthday G~P!
I can't get a nair for the life of me. I can get a bit of the startup but can't get a reasonable part of the move out in time
I can't get a nair for the life of me. I can get a bit of the startup but can't get a reasonable part of the move out in time
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Me too. I used to main Ike back when I was newer, but I switched to Lucario cuz I couldn't do as well with Ike. Now I wanna go hard with learning to get better with Ike.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
Also: It seems like Florida is full of loud, self-important douche bags (N.Riddle especially). It's hard to believe they're from the same planet as Ryo and his doubles partner, True Blue, let alone the same state.
Ryo's a down-to-Earth, cool guy who's fun to game with. I feel ashamed for expecting him to be more like the other people from his state and any less chill than he really is.
Ryo's a down-to-Earth, cool guy who's fun to game with. I feel ashamed for expecting him to be more like the other people from his state and any less chill than he really is.
Senliten
Smash Lord
It's the all that excess salt from the land of the salt machines (GA), pouring down into Florida is all.