FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
you need to play good lucarios. its definitely not as easy to fight them as you think it is. ridiculous hitboxes means nana can get ****ed easily.
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Ice Climbers Matchup Discussion REVAMPED - Week 1 Snaaaaaaaakeeeee
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6Mizu
Smash Champion
Frozen is right.
Anyway, I say personally DK isn't hard for the IC Spam de-sink/ice blocks (lol) til' he approaches then beat his approach w/ almost anything in your inventory. (BTW when he approaches he should be aggravated because he got lots of damage trying to appraoch so his appraoch will be very easily punished).
If i'm wrong, I'm sry.....I don't play either chracter at all.
Anyway, I say personally DK isn't hard for the IC Spam de-sink/ice blocks (lol) til' he approaches then beat his approach w/ almost anything in your inventory. (BTW when he approaches he should be aggravated because he got lots of damage trying to appraoch so his appraoch will be very easily punished).
If i'm wrong, I'm sry.....I don't play either chracter at all.
Teh Future
Smash Master
MK is an even matchup for ICs, and it sure as heeeeelll isn't easy to play. Lucario vs ICs is not in Lucario's advantage as long as you dont go to smashville.
Frozen you have no idea who I have and haven't played.
and wtf at above poster. You have a bb sig, don't play either character, and post wrong information.
Frozen you have no idea who I have and haven't played.
and wtf at above poster. You have a bb sig, don't play either character, and post wrong information.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i know you lose to ganondorf. your argument is invalid.
but to humor you, do tell which lucario players you play on a regular basis.
Actually, arguments are to be judged solely on their factual value, not on whom they are posted for. If you say however that lucario is easy from experience yet lose to ganondorf players, that is something else indeed. TBH i feel like just saying it's an easy matchup is stupid on the futures part, just bring in some reason why it's easy at least. Either way I pretty much gave up on this thread/ics boards.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
lolololol
Read the info I provided for the MU.
Imagine Marth, but better separation and possible gimp tools, and overall safer moveset. Also imagine a tool that gets ridiculous with plats, doesn't afraid of uair much, separates really well, and a safe aerial moveset if used correctly, in exchange for a bit less range and a slower startup but harder to punish moveset due to low cooldown and lingering hitboxes. I really want Meep to tell it straight, that alone would satisfy my opinion regardless of how different his is on this MU since he's done the best in fighting Lucario at high levels of play thus far imo. As long as it isn't FD Lucario is going to be pretty good to go in this MU.
"You have much to learn".
~Meta Knight
Also for the record, I think DK is 40:60 IC's favor, pretty straightforward, except I think there's a possibility that it might be worse for DK (maybe 65:35 ICs, but I dunno how DK's zoning would be nullified). The problem is that IC's can't mess up whether it's in the CG or a critical read whether getting back to the stage or if he tries to go for a kill, but there's no way it's even lol.
meepxzero
Smash Master
lucario vs ic is even. I particularly dont like that match period...
Lucario's moveset doesnt make him win the match up. Its his dumb aura build up. Cging gets more difficult as the percentage goes up. Every lucario ive lost to was only because i messed up cging. If your going to factor in human error into a mu discussion then we do lose, but if ic are playing on point we win.
I dont even have much lucario practice, which is another factor. I beat a good 90% of the top mks out there and why is our ratio 40:60 mk?
Most mu discussions are based off of theory craft and human error is rarely put into play. If that really was the case then most of ic bad mus are always going to be the chars that we have the most difficult to cg against.
When i discuss match ups i usually am under the assumption the ic player wont ever mess up cging.
I guess for me the match up is lucarios advantage cuz i keep losing to him by a messed up cg -_- lol.
Lucario's moveset doesnt make him win the match up. Its his dumb aura build up. Cging gets more difficult as the percentage goes up. Every lucario ive lost to was only because i messed up cging. If your going to factor in human error into a mu discussion then we do lose, but if ic are playing on point we win.
I dont even have much lucario practice, which is another factor. I beat a good 90% of the top mks out there and why is our ratio 40:60 mk?
Most mu discussions are based off of theory craft and human error is rarely put into play. If that really was the case then most of ic bad mus are always going to be the chars that we have the most difficult to cg against.
When i discuss match ups i usually am under the assumption the ic player wont ever mess up cging.
I guess for me the match up is lucarios advantage cuz i keep losing to him by a messed up cg -_- lol.
Teh Future
Smash Master
I never said the matchup is easy... lrn2rd.
Any even matchup with ICs the ICs player has to play really well for the matchup to actually seem even.
Its a harder matchup than usual, but it's still not hard in comparision to other cats
Any even matchup with ICs the ICs player has to play really well for the matchup to actually seem even.
Its a harder matchup than usual, but it's still not hard in comparision to other cats
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
K, thanks for the input.
This is always an interesting discussion imo, because you really have to distinguish the difference between "highest level of play" and "inhuman levels of play", which I think the latter makes ICs God.
I personally feel that Lucario can play gay enough, but I still throw it as a pretty even MU (hence why I don't usually like "55:45's".) I think Lucario does better in terms of stages which make me leeeeaaaan towards this number but I think it's otherwise a pretty dead-locked MU.
Wait a minute, Zucco said you were able to CG him, did you mess up then too?
meepxzero
Smash Master
I messed up cging 3rd game against him. Frigate has weird slopes im not use to and it messes up my cg. The 2nd game i played him i almost 3 stocked him and i got him down to last stock first and last game.
Lucario can play extremely gay, but he has to work hard if all ic try to do is grab and use blizzard and ice blocks to set up grabs (low dmg attacks). Like I said earlier if ic are proficient with the cg lucario is gonna be at a disadvantage. If we 0-death all his stocks lucario's aura boost is nullified.
Its not inhuman to never mess up cging you see those crazy marvel players never messing up their infinites its just you have to practice a lot. I stopped putting time in practicing infinites.... I might go back to the basics again and just practice it nonstop. I seem to always lose lately because i mess up infinites lol...
Lucario can play extremely gay, but he has to work hard if all ic try to do is grab and use blizzard and ice blocks to set up grabs (low dmg attacks). Like I said earlier if ic are proficient with the cg lucario is gonna be at a disadvantage. If we 0-death all his stocks lucario's aura boost is nullified.
Its not inhuman to never mess up cging you see those crazy marvel players never messing up their infinites its just you have to practice a lot. I stopped putting time in practicing infinites.... I might go back to the basics again and just practice it nonstop. I seem to always lose lately because i mess up infinites lol...
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Im still in the process of learning chaingrabs on the last couple of characters.
I just cant stay effiecent cg'ing MetaKnight. I can only get him to 48% sometimes, its wishy-washy.
Also meep, I see you have MSN there, do you actually get on/ can I im you?
I just cant stay effiecent cg'ing MetaKnight. I can only get him to 48% sometimes, its wishy-washy.
Also meep, I see you have MSN there, do you actually get on/ can I im you?
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Not as much if he was at 50%+
lain
Smash Master
I was playing like **** in those vids against Riple. I also used Snake, Marth, and SAMUS. Which ultimately made it way too close for comfort.
IC:DK is about 60:40 in IC's favor. Pivot grab forever.
I need to ponder about Lucario more. I seriously think it's even.
IC:DK is about 60:40 in IC's favor. Pivot grab forever.
I need to ponder about Lucario more. I seriously think it's even.
Prawn
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I barely lost to PatG's lucario yesterday, first game was 1 stock high damage second game we were both at 1 stock low damage and he gimped me.
IMO he's one of the best lucarios out there, basically you need to finish CGs or you get fsmashed at 50 percent and die lol
IMO he's one of the best lucarios out there, basically you need to finish CGs or you get fsmashed at 50 percent and die lol
Teh Future
Smash Master
Just don go to gayville lmao
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I wanted to play Lain at the November M.A.S., but no he was too busy drawing attention with his Kennispam's MK vs Lain's IC's.
I wanted to play Lain since JJrocket is the only real IC main at the tournament, maybe if he does go to it again I can get a feel for the MU more. So far I feel it's in Lucario's favor, but the more I look at it, I think inexperience in the MU may be the reasons for such.
I wanted to play Lain since JJrocket is the only real IC main at the tournament, maybe if he does go to it again I can get a feel for the MU more. So far I feel it's in Lucario's favor, but the more I look at it, I think inexperience in the MU may be the reasons for such.
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The Lucas boards are discussin the MU with the Ice Climbers now. You're input is very much appreciated.
Here is the
Here is the
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
Grab release to jab? xD
Jupz
Smash Master
Grab release to regrab all across the stage I think. (every character can do it I think)
You can just walking dthrow cg lucas to like 76%.
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haha yeah thats why I'm looking into it LOL.
He knew the matchup so much better than me I've never played an IC with my IC. he's mad good though he should post here more.
If someone doesn't want to maintain this matchup thread can I? I spend a lot of my day at school with this idling in the background and I'm pretty sure I could handle writing good summarys and could drum up discussion.
He knew the matchup so much better than me I've never played an IC with my IC. he's mad good though he should post here more.
If someone doesn't want to maintain this matchup thread can I? I spend a lot of my day at school with this idling in the background and I'm pretty sure I could handle writing good summarys and could drum up discussion.
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The Snake boards are discussing IC match up.
Well, most Snakes think it's just a 55:45 Snake only, but you guys think it's a 60:40 or 70:30 Snake.
Link--> http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=258686&page=14
Well, most Snakes think it's just a 55:45 Snake only, but you guys think it's a 60:40 or 70:30 Snake.
Link--> http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=258686&page=14
Diddyknight
Smash Lord
I can help too :< I get bored at home lately with nothing really much to do. I wonder where has bunny gone off to now.....
Prawn
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Hello people of the Ice Climber boards.
Bunny is letting me run this thread so I'm gonna give this a little longer on Donkey Kong, write the summary, and move ahead.
What matchup shall we discuss next? I'm thinking either the ditto, pit, pokemon trainer or game and watch could provide some good discussion, so let me hear what you guys would like to do next.
Bunny is letting me run this thread so I'm gonna give this a little longer on Donkey Kong, write the summary, and move ahead.
What matchup shall we discuss next? I'm thinking either the ditto, pit, pokemon trainer or game and watch could provide some good discussion, so let me hear what you guys would like to do next.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
game and watch. i need help on this matchup.
r3d d09
Smash Master
we just need to start back up in general. we kind of quit this whole matchup thread
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
He was my original main. I could offer some advice on it if you'd like, but that's if we're gonna get the MU thread back on the road.
PentaSalia
Smash Master
there's no need for a MU discussion
you guys got hylian
he even brags that he's never lost to a G&W as IC's
just ask him lol
you guys got hylian
he even brags that he's never lost to a G&W as IC's
just ask him lol
00-Zero
Smash Journeyman
This match up is one I'm not particularly familiar with, as the only g&w player that I get the opportunity to play is ridiculously easy to get a grab on, which means he's doing something wrong. He's one of my easier characters to chain, so I rarely mess that up. With that being said, I'm not really sure what makes this mu hard or whatever.