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I want Peaceful Coexistence. How about you?

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I'll keep this short and sweet.

I've had it with the Brawl/Melee divide that has festered from the people that have created it. It makes us look stupid to other gaming communities and it does nothing but create more tension and animosity between both communities.

That being said, both Brawl and Melee need to be able to be together side by side and show respect towards each other. That includes the PLAYERS as well. Genesis was an excellent example of how Brawl and Melee could be played together without problems (well, except for near riot... >_>).

Join this group to show that you want both Brawl and Melee to have peaceful coexistence.

http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=1338

Do it. You know you want a strong community that will stay alive for a while, do you?
 

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Our community really does look like a joke compared to the others. It's a little sad.
 

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I don't play Melee or Brawl anymore, and I'm not trying to cause flames, but I refuse to respect a game like Brawl. It's literally the antithesis of competitive gaming.

I traded in my copy of Brawl a long time ago, and I'll admit, I had been thinking of getting it again, just to mess around and play with my wife. I played it with a friend of mine on Sunday for the first time in months, and that session only reconfirmed why I got rid of it in the first place.

But I do agree that the Brawl vs. Melee argument needs to stop. The only way that will happen though is if two things occur:

1) The Melee side admits that they are living in the past. Their game is dead, and it's not coming back.

2) The Brawl side admits that their game is a joke and that we've been given a bad competitive game by Nintendo.

And then, once we all admit the truth, there can be peace. It'll never happen though, so you might as well pick a side.
 

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Thing is people refuse to believe Melee is going to die anytime soon, which is at least somewhat credible because it's still got a pretty sexy following. But honestly, Brawl has to die forever in order for Melee to go back to being the greatness it was. =/
 

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Jam, Nintendo has barely even GIVEN us a competitive game in Brawl, the only reason I'd call it competitive is because people play it competitively, but the game itself in no way (in my mind) lends itself to competitive play.

I'm not trying to start a debate here, but I just don't see why this is still going, they're DIFFERENT GAMES. Yes, they're part of the same series, but they're way different. Personally I think Melee is a WAY better game, but the argument does need to stop. Both groups are stubborn and neither will give an inch, so it clearly isn't going anywhere, and thus should just cease.
 

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1) The Melee side admits that they are living in the past. Their game is dead, and it's not coming back.
Excuse me? Maybe you should go ahead and tell the country of South Korea that they're living in the past in terms of playing Starcraft.

Melee might not be as strong as it was before, but Genesis has shown that the melee community is equal if not greater than the brawl community in terms of Brawl. It's no doubt that Melee's match ups (Mango vs Armada both in WF and GF, Armada vs M2K, Zhu vs M2K, etcetc.) stole the show. As well, with all of these newer smashers coming out and taking over the veteran smashers, Melee is far from dead. I can tell you right now that Canada's brawl community compared to our melee community is like 4:1 for melee.

Agree with what you said about Brawl. It's clear, and I know a lot of people who play Brawl who agree with it, but play Brawl anyways. Myself included, though I only dabble. However, the Brawl community has honestly got nothing on Melee. The community is dead? Look at the Genesis turnout. The game doesn't promote variety? Look at the Genesis results. The community is living in the past? What other choice do we have aside from moving on to a lesser competitive game. It's not coming back? It sure is.

Honestly, it would be like telling the brawl community to admit that they're on par with TMNT: Smash up. I can live with Brawl, but I won't hold or respect it at any level even near to Melee.
 

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I respect the players and I will always respect the players of both sides, unless a player is an elitist.

But I don't respect Brawl. I will always dislike the game, the only thing it's good for is hacking. The only thing that inspired me to play it again was the various hacks that have been dug up over time. Even then I can't enjoy it playing seriously. I play it with items on and whatever stages.

Melee, I can play any way. With hacks. Without them. With items. Without them. One-on-one. Free-for-all. It doesn't matter.

It comes down to opinion, which is exactly the point.

I'm not going to go into the GBD and say how much Brawl sucks unless it's on-topic and I say it respectfully.

I would expect the same out of people that dislike Melee with the General Melee Discussion.

I don't play competitively. But I do like to play serious games. Brawl is not a good serious game, it's a good party game, Sakurai wanted it to be a party game.
Melee is a good serious game. Guess Sakurai screwed up.

/opinions
 

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Being peaceful is no fun.

Keep up the fighting. It's fun to watch all the stupidity that gets thrown around.
 

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Being peaceful is no fun.

Keep up the fighting. It's fun to watch all the stupidity that gets thrown around.
lolololol no

We can't live with out our selves grabbing at each other throats. Ourcommunity is possibly the worst and possibly best gaming community out there. Our problem is people like you who purposely fuel debates just for your enjoyment. I really hate people like that. Its really no fun when people who visited this site over a year succumb to looking like mindless apes throwing dung at each other.

In short, I'm joining this group, regardless which game I like/own/play.
 

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I get annoyed by the people who evaluate Brawl's overall worth by its competitive worth when it was clearly not designed to be a competitive game. A handkerchief is a terrible paperweight, but it isn't supposed to be a paperweight, so we don't judge its worth by comparing its potential for being a paperweight with, say, a rock.

It's like saying Super Mario 64 was **** because there was no multiplayer.
 

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Melee fans think Brawl is dumb and some Brawl fans are ****ing morons. That's why there's so much bickering. Sure some melee fans are morons but they're the one playing the better game sooo...yeah.

1.)There's no 'feud', we aren't living in the mountains

2.)It's spelled feud bro....and author.
 

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Hmm, I'm new around here and I honestly don't notice that much bickering at all. I know melee is superior and I only look at the melee boards so I don't know if people are spamming the brawl boards.

Really though I've noticed many more people whining about the arguing than the actual arguing.
 

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Hmm, I'm new around here and I honestly don't notice that much bickering at all. I know melee is superior and I only look at the melee boards so I don't know if people are spamming the brawl boards.

Really though I've noticed many more people whining about the arguing than the actual arguing.
It stopped being "Melee VS Brawl" a long time ago; now it's just "Brawl sux" trolls. Most of it goes on in the Brawl boards when the Melee boarders come over to be ********s. The only opposition comes from people like Xyro who get their jollies trolling Melee players.
 

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It seems that the different games are tearing us apart huh? Hmm. There will always be a division in between the two games as long as the two games exist. You can try, but nothing like coexisting last for more than a few years, a few seconds. And personally, I don't care about either. My thing is SSB64. That was the shiz.
 

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Late at night, and I've put off getting into work early just to get this off my chest. Forgive any sloppiness if you can, please.

I loved Melee. It was easily in my top 5 favourite Gamecube games. It's probably #2, right after Wind Waker. I loved Melee back in the day of the Gamecube: I rewiped my memory clean on it at least five times just to have more excuses to play the game some more. I kept practising L-cancelling and the like without even realising people had classified and discovered what I had and more. I went out of my way to learn and understand every character there except Jigglypuff and Peach. I didn't have anyone to play it with very often, and those friends who I did bring over I tended to crush, but it didn't stop me from practising against three players at once. Those times were great; if I had only one game to play for the rest of my life, I'd have picked Melee.

When Brawl was released, I felt it to be a perfect continuation of the franchise, and it delivered just like that. Just as with Melee before, the game only became deeper the more I played it, whether it was trying to perfect my character's techniques and tactics, or simply trying out sticker combinations in the Adventure mode and trying to clear the Fire Emblem levels with only Ike on Very Hard.
When I looked back on Melee back in that time, I found that the two could be enjoyed separately of each other. Brawl played very differently to Melee, and both featured different tactics: neither of which I considered superior to the other. I simply considered it a testament to the quality of both games, and simply admired the series Nintendo had established.

Then I found Smashboards, and heard a little bit more of everyone else here. My superiors, their views, and the heated Brawl vs. Melee flame fests.

Now my opinion is that I absolutely hate Melee. And through no fault of the game itself - rather, the people I have come to associate with it.

Forgive me if this sounds inflammatory, but I'm not attempting any personal attacks. I can't enjoy it any more, and I have the Melee 'hardcore' to blame. It's not a perspective I'm happy with, yet each attempt to change it to something positive is met with defeat. I try to look back in awe at fun on Hyrule Temple or Final Destination, at all my attempts to improve, but every time there's some 15-19 year old laughing like a clichéd bully at how it should be done instead. I find combos boring and I don't appreciate wavedashing: I'd take strings or zoning any day. But what does my opinion mean against someone else who disagrees with it? Oh yeah: nothing. It's also perfectly fine to bash on Brawl, but it seems to be unforgivable to consider Melee inferior. Please, even though people don't say anything about it, the arrogant Melee supporters would be doing themselves so many more favours if they held some politeness and remembered what they are talking about is very subjective. I don't give a **** about whatever Brawltard or Meleetard you've had to deal with: all I'm seeing is you, and your hateful, reckless overreaction.

The thing I hate most about the arrogant Melee fan is how arrogant and convinced they are of their own arrogance. It's very much stereotypical behaviour, and an unhealthy stereotype at that. Believe it or not, if the other person can make a case for why they find something (in this case, Brawl) to be more enjoyable or a preferable competitive experience, then it is a matter of opinion. Leave them alone. We know what you're saying, we've been over it. Competitive value is not divine gospel, it's actually very subjective. If you're certain you don't like Brawl, then that's perfectly fine and I implore you to stand by your opinion. But none of your opinionated views are fact. Brawl is a superior competitive game in someone else's standards; it doesn't mean a thing if you agree with it or not. Don't force it, please.

Please, I want to be able to like Melee again, I really do. Let's drop this childish, arrogant bickering and get back to playing the series we know and love.
 

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Let's face it, the ones who would make our community look good happen to be the minority.
You clearly don't know anything about the smash community compared to the other communities. The smash community is one of- if not the- best competitive gaming communities. Have you ever been to a street fighter tournament? It's brutal, everyone is constantly at each other's throats.

Anyone who's been to a smash tournament knows that the vast majority of the platers are chill and are there for a good time.

tl;dr: Our community is kick ***.
 

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But I do agree that the Brawl vs. Melee argument needs to stop. The only way that will happen though is if two things occur:

1) The Melee side admits that they are living in the past. Their game is dead, and it's not coming back.

2) The Brawl side admits that their game is a joke and that we've been given a bad competitive game by Nintendo.
The thing is most Brawl players will actually admit that Melee is much better than Brawl competitive-wise (Save a few morons), but we choose to play it because it's the latest installment and everything is updated.

Most of the arguments I have seen are Melee players bashing Brawl, saying it takes no skill, saying we are noobs for playing it, etc. I really don't think the problem is on the Brawl side. But this is just from what I've seen...


Excuse me? Maybe you should go ahead and tell the country of South Korea that they're living in the past in terms of playing Starcraft.
But the difference is that Starcraft doesn't have a sequel. When Starcraft 2 is released they will all flock to that.
 

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@Mardyke: Competitive value isn't subjective at all. It's a fact.

It doesn't matter if you like Brawl's strategies better than melee's. It is still less competitive (lack of learning curve, no advanced tech's, etc.). That's pretty much set in stone.

Besides, no one in the current community fits the steryotype that you put forth. People argue with you when you try to say that brawl is more competitive because it isn't. No one argues with you if you say that you find it more enjoyable.


On topic: I would like the fighting to stop, but I highly doubt it will.
 

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Competitively, Melee is superior. In most other aspects, Brawl is superior.
How is it that Brawl's superior in every other aspects?
What? Music, sound effects and graphics? Is that what you mean? I hope so.
Maybe boss battle mode and new characters also. But that's about it. That doesn't make it a superior game.

Because the game itself is so ****ing slow it's no fun. Reason why I went on Brawl+ and turned back to Melee.
 

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1) The Melee side admits that they are living in the past. Their game is dead, and it's not coming back.
Yeah because having 2 less entrants at genesis for Melee than Brawl means Melee is dead.

u r dumb

Edit: Or maybe the fact that areas like socal and Flordaa have Melee tournies almost every week.

I don't hate brawl but the people who say Melee is dead are ignorant.
 

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When I saw the post above me, I reacted the same way the guy in stabbedbyanapple's sig did.

EDIT: Ohhhh, I c wut u did thar! :mad:
 

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I play both, and knew from the start that they will never get along for obvious reasons.
 

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I want the bickering and flaming to stop. Personally, I greatly prefer Melee. In fact, nearly every Brawl player I've spoken too feels the same. Almost every Brawl player who is 16 or older loves Melee. THAT is why most of the flaming comes from the Melee players.

:034:
 

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I want the bickering and flaming to stop. Personally, I greatly prefer Melee. In fact, nearly every Brawl player I've spoken too feels the same. Almost every Brawl player who is 16 or older loves Melee. THAT is why most of the flaming comes from the Melee players.

:034:
Truth. A lot of Brawl players on this site are much younger, and only play on wi-fi. That's understandable, but some of them tend to be cocky, terrible with spelling, or they do something that makes them look bad. The stereotypical Brawl player fits some of the descriptions above.

They're both still fun if you aren't too picky.
 

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Well OP, I also want to win the lottery, which is never going to happen because I never play it.
 

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I'm going to regret this, I know I am. Oh well.

@Mardyke: Competitive value isn't subjective at all. It's a fact.

It doesn't matter if you like Brawl's strategies better than melee's. It is still less competitive (lack of learning curve, no advanced tech's, etc.). That's pretty much set in stone.
I personally find that simplicity is best. Just because Melee is more technically complicated than Brawl does not make it better, per se. It's a reason to favour it, but not something I'd consider superior. For instance, most modern sports and strategic games (video games or otherwise) aren't actually so complicated that people can't just come pick them up and learn as they go.

Besides, no one in the current community fits the steryotype that you put forth. People argue with you when you try to say that brawl is more competitive because it isn't. No one argues with you if you say that you find it more enjoyable.
People there do. You might not pay heed to them, or recognise them, but they do. I'm not going further into it, other than asking you to trust me on it, because I know where it will go.
 

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Trying to gain peace only brings forth MOAR war. Haven't we learned this lesson already? :mad:


But no seriously, both games rock.
 

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Melee and Brawl are both of quality in physics. However, Melee's roster is so much better than Brawl's...
 
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