I want Peaceful Coexistence. How about you?

[Heartz♥]

No, that would make you a bisexual in the smash universe. Though some strange people are attracted to that 3rd gender and play 64, too.

Yes.

Sooooo...Melee is the chick? I am more attracted to men, fyi.

 

[:mad:]

Sooooo...Melee is the chick? I am more attracted to men, fyi.

I'm also attracted to men.

OHWAI -

 

[Red Arremer]

Uh oh, Straked went THERE.

 

[:mad:]

You people get off-topic too easily.

Can't the two communites just get along?! ;-;

 

[Teran]

Can't the two communites just get along?! ;-;

Nope, never. Humans like to fight and disagree.

Hell, iunno how many years of peace we've had in the civilized world, but you could count them with your fingers.

 

[demonictoonlink]

Have I been banned posting here???

edit: nope ^^

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Basically, what Smooth Criminal is proposing is that the Melee-players should be able to troll Brawl. And that it's the Brawl-players fault the Melee-players are trolling them.

waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait. Sorry for bumping this topic.

Why didn't I see this?

No. That's not what I said at all, Spadefox. Unless you're being facetious (which I highly doubt).

I'm saying trolls from either side have equal blame. So do people who keep fanning those flames by replying to those trolls. If anybody actually gave two squirts of piss about keeping the community neat and tidy, they would actually do something to the effect of just letting the stuff roll off of them (reporting them without saying anything, ignoring the posts outright, or even using their ignore button) and informing others to do the same.

>_>

Jesus. I need to write more.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Red Arremer]

Just for your information, I've reported every evident troll I've seen, no matter on which side they stand (though I never go into the Melee boards thus not knowing people trolling Melee if they exist) or what they troll. Except of course the people in real life, as that's not possible.

Do get back to the stone-throwing groups bobson used (since that's a really good comparison) - why are these 18 people responsible who get stones thrown at them but don't throw back for the actions of these other 2 that throw the stones back? Why should the people who DO ignore the fact that they're getting stones thrown at have to keep these 2 who throw them back from doing that?
The way you posted, you have said that the people trolling Brawl have to suffer the same consequences as the people trolling Melee (which I yet have to see, if anyone has links, please), which I can understand since these both groups did the same, AND the same consequences as the people who didn't do anything to begin with, making the innocent being guilty for doing nothing at all? I don't want to be punished for some random idiot who takes the bait of the Brawl-trolls, thank you very much.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Do get back to the stone-throwing groups bobson used (since that's a really good comparison) - why are these 18 people responsible who get stones thrown at them but don't throw back for the actions of these other 2 that throw the stones back? Why should the people who DO ignore the fact that they're getting stones thrown at have to keep these 2 who throw them back from doing that?

*facepalms.*

I'm not on the Melee side or anything, first off. I may prefer the game over Brawl, but I will not go out of my way and hassle people about what they like more. I don't care that much. I'm willing to go anywhere that caters to my interests, as it usually houses people that have similar tastes and similar likes (IE just about any Smash tourney, Brawl included).

"I'm saying trolls from either side have equal blame. So do people who keep fanning those flames by replying to those trolls. If anybody actually gave two squirts of piss about keeping the community neat and tidy, they would actually do something to the effect of just letting the stuff roll off of them (reporting them without saying anything, ignoring the posts outright, or even using their ignore button) and informing others to do the same."

I can't make this any clearer, man. Seriously. This is how I honestly feel. Now, IRL, it may be different. Your life isn't a forum that's viewed by a thousand people a day. Sure, **** from other people may impact you but other than that there isn't really much else to consider. If I punched you in the face IRL for no reason and somehow manage to put you in ICU for a week, who is the victim and who is the aggressor? I think that's all me as the aggressor, and the victim that I just waylaid? That's you. Hell yeah, I'm to blame for nearly killing you.

But here, pathetic squabbles about semantics? About which game is better? Context changes. That's a waste of space, especially on a site that's sanctioned by MLG (however great or small that role is) and is so vital to the community. Replying to trolling in any way, shape, or form just adds to that wasted space. Note that I'm speaking of negative REACTION to all of this; never have I said that the Brawl people need to retaliate with trolling of their own to keep up with the Melee people. Never have I said this, never have I thought this.

Brawl boards do NOT deserve to be trolled. I will agree with you guys on that much. It isn't fair that ya'll have to catch so much flak for silly stuff like taste in a video game. But when somebody retaliates like a ******* defending their game (which some of the Brawl members do), they're only compounding the mess. I'm not talking about the people that do the right thing and ignore it.

^ I guess that's what I meant to say. I'm sorry for the confusion.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Red Arremer]

Yes, but you said that the people who didn't do anything (i.e. the Brawl players who didn't respond to the trolls in any trolling form) are to be punished, as well.

May I quote:

If one side is trolling and one or two people on the other side reply back with counter-trolling of their own, ya'll (the inactive ones) are just as guilty for letting that sort of behavior GO ON.

So every Brawl player is at fault because a couple Brawl players they don't know respond to trolling?

But yeah. Isn't it YOUR responsibility to make sure that those people know better? I mean, you are part of the Brawl community. Enlightening new people about the mores of pointless trolling should kinda be on the agenda considering your ardent defense.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I didn't clarify. I also didn't read that far back into the thread before jumping in, where Bobson was merely explaining that this conflict has moved beyond the conventions of one game versus the other to one game just sucks.

I was also speaking from the viewpoint of, "Well, if you want to keep the Brawl community immunized from this stupid stuff then you should actually SAY something to those ignorant members that want to retaliate to that trolling. Maybe through a discreet channel like profile messages or PMs." I honestly thought Bobson was being adamant to the point of overlooking that, when in reality he wasn't.

I still stand by that comment about the inactive ones not making suggestions. Maybe not to the extent that it was worded, surely; guilt's a strong word and hell, maybe I shouldn't be pointing fingers myself. I mean, if you're going to stand at the vanguard of your community you should at least do your best and tell people what's going on. But if you're not doing that and you'd rather not risk yourself by helping out the person, then you're not entitled to do so. In that moment, I guess, you're blameless.

-_- Did I make myself clearer at all? It's really annoying to break this stuff down. Not to be patronizing or anything; none of you are simple. I'm just tired and I have a long day at work tomorrow.

Plus, this is getting kinda circular.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Red Arremer]

Okay, now I understand you. You just exaggerated.

I think telling every noob who flames back at stupid trolls to shut up would be difficult, especially since there will always be people who take the bait. You will never have an internet without people shrugging trolls off, that won't happen, and is completely independent from SWF. Trolls are here to annoy people and make them angry or sad, and it will happen.

A person can only do so much. Trying to keep overly emotional people back would be a neverending task. I think the majority of the Brawl community has already accepted to live with the people flaming it, and the little part that doesn't is so neglectably small that it doesn't make the whole community.

Saying normal users are responsible for users who feed trolls and should PM them to stop feeding them is not very reasonable. I personally don't feel responsible for anyone's wrongdoings (with exceptions, for instance if I am the leader of a group and have responsibilities as such). I also don't see any responsibility to lecture them about the internet and trolling. If people are smart enough, they will see the regulars of the community not do anything (usually, that is), and will stop doing so, themselves. Or, if they're too dumb, they wouldn't understand it even if I told them.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I agree with you one hundred percent, bro.

Utopia sounds good on paper, but it's just not going to happen. Especially if you throw the human element into the equation. -_- Again, I wasn't implying that EVERYONE should keep each other in check. If anything it's more of a suggestion those that wish to DO something along those lines (which is what I meant by the vanguard of the community or, to simplify it even further, as the leader of a discussion...which is probably more appropriate, imo).

I'm really sorry about the confusion.

Now, good night. I need sleeeeeeeep.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Cherry64]

there are regulars of the community Spadefox, bobson, FalconV.1, Teran17 to name the ones that stand out, if you are simply talking about SWF as a community then yeah we have community trolls that don't show **** to the new guys. They make it worse by getting their own kicks. Personally I think it best to have a few people troll like pros as they out-troll the stupid ones and appear on top of that, thus the ones who cannot compete with current troll artists leave.

as you said Spade it's the internet we will always have this problem, so why not let a few of the best in here that actually enjoy this game series so they can be our defense?

@ Smooth- Anarchy sounds good on paper too would it work? probably not. Actually better example NDP looks amazing, the things they say they will do and how they can help, but it probably won't work, I totally forget why as it's 3 and my beddy time is like 1 lolol, so yeah I may just get back to this post.


excuse numerous run on's I'm tired and going to sleep, get to see Darren tomorrow <3

 

[Red Arremer]

Okay, now we're on the same page. Good night Smooth Criminal.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Oracle]

Let this thread be an example to all newbies

If Brawl and Melee are in the same thread, somehow debate will arise