I want Peaceful Coexistence. How about you?

[:mad:]

Melee and Brawl are both of quality in physics. However, Melee's roster is so much better than Brawl's...

I'd probably agree with this. I wasn't impressed with the newcomers.

 

[Red Arremer]

I want the bickering and flaming to stop. Personally, I greatly prefer Melee. In fact, nearly every Brawl player I've spoken too feels the same. Almost every Brawl player who is 16 or older loves Melee. THAT is why most of the flaming comes from the Melee players.

I'm 21. And I prefer Brawl over Melee. Melee's community was what completely destroyed my liking of the game.
I have a hereditary handicap on my joints, most prominently of course my fingers. Therefore, I cannot perform technical things like Wavedashing etc.
For the sake of playing with the Melee guys, too, I tried to learn characters with less need of techskill (Peach), but I still got laughed at and put down by them for my physical limitations.

Before these events, I probably would've liked them both equally. It was Melee players and Melee players only that made me a pure Brawl player.

 

[Heartz♥]

Brawl and Melee are both awesome games regardless of their pros and cons. Now onto the peaceful coexistence.

If you do not accept this, we will kick your ***es out like God did Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

 

[Firus]

It stopped being "Melee VS Brawl" a long time ago; now it's just "Brawl sux" trolls. Most of it goes on in the Brawl boards when the Melee boarders come over to be ********s. The only opposition comes from people like Xyro who get their jollies trolling Melee players.

It's hard to resolve a conflict when each side wants to pretend they're not at fault and the other side is full of horrible people.

NEWS FLASH: Neither side is innocent.

Brawl and Melee are both awesome games regardless of their pros and cons. Now onto the peaceful coexistence.

If you do not accept this, we will kick your ***es out like God did Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

It's hard for everyone to accept that, since it's an opinion...

Trying to gain peace only brings forth MOAR war.

Also, this.

Seriously, I forgot that Melee vs. Brawl even existed before this thread happened. These threads are always created, 25% of the people say how great of an idea it is, 25% of the people always say how they would love for it to happen but it never will, and 50% blame it on one side or the other.

You had good intentions, but these threads create more problems than they solve.

 

[Heartz♥]

My latter post was just a silly comment. Everytime people mention Melee vs Brawl, it causes even more of it. That is the way I see it. If you speak of the devil, he will come.

 

[Wizzerd]

Brawl and Melee are both awesome games regardless of their pros and cons. Now onto the peaceful coexistence.

Melee is certainly awesome, but Brawl is only fun. It isn't as much of a bad game as much as it could have been so much better in mostly the roster but also the SSE, Stage Builder and Online.

 

[Oracle]

I personally find that simplicity is best. Just because Melee is more technically complicated than Brawl does not make it better, per se. It's a reason to favour it, but not something I'd consider superior. For instance, most modern sports and strategic games (video games or otherwise) aren't actually so complicated that people can't just come pick them up and learn as they go.

You're not listening. Melee's speed, learning curve, and tech skill make it better for competition. That's a fact.
The thing about the fighting that gets me is when people say that melee is better. That's an opinion, and therefore cannot be argued. That doesn't happen much now anymore.

People there do. You might not pay heed to them, or recognise them, but they do. I'm not going further into it, other than asking you to trust me on it, because I know where it will go.

The community has changed since 5 months after barwl came out. Most of us don't get pissed at people for liking brawl.

 

[.Marik]

I get annoyed by the people who evaluate Brawl's overall worth by its competitive worth when it was clearly not designed to be a competitive game.

This.

I agree with a lot of posts in this thread, particularly this one.

I play both Brawl and Melee. Get *****.

They are both really good games, and both have great communities, but both also have a lot of elitist and ignorant members.

Lol @ Melee dead posts.

Melee is no doubt a better game in terms of competitiveness, but Brawl is a lot of fun even still, maybe even better in other aspects.

It's all a matter of opinions, and that won't ever change. The bickering hopefully decreases, but it won't disappear altogether.

 

[Hylian]

I don't play Melee or Brawl anymore, and I'm not trying to cause flames, but I refuse to respect a game like Brawl.

That's fine, but most of you are missing the point.

Brawl players don't want you to respect their game, they just want to be treated respectfully as PEOPLE. They still spend thousands of dollars travelling to play smash. They have built a huge community and ran several huge tournaments. We have learned some things about tournament hosting since brawls been out and livestreams are almost standard these days.

I personally think melee was one of the best games ever made. I will play it as long as I'm playing smash. It's extremely dissapointing seeing melee players demean an entire community based on the game they play though. I've been in the competitive melee scene since 2003. That's a lot longer then brawls been out. Yet I feel more involved in the community then I ever did in melee. People in texas at least support each other, help each other and just have a ****load of fun all around at tournaments.

Personal evidence aside, Melee and Brawl players are both smashers. They both spend money going to tournaments all over the world. They both sleep on hard floors with no blankets, travel hundreds of miles in a cramped car with TV's, not sleep for 3 days just to play smash. Melee and Brawl coexisting has nothing to do with the games and everything to do with the attitude of the players. If we can manage to weed out the elitism and bitterness in both communities then both will be able to grow and melee vs brawl won't matter at all.

-Hylian

 

[deepseadiva]

That's fine, but most of you are missing the point.

Brawl players don't want you to respect their game, they just want to be treated respectfully as PEOPLE.

Excellent and on-point post. I meet some pretty cool guys at Genesis, but when asked "What do you play?" and suddenly being looked at differently was reason enough for me to start lying to people, saying "I play both."

 

[Firus]

That's fine, but most of you are missing the point.

Brawl players don't want you to respect their game, they just want to be treated respectfully as PEOPLE. They still spend thousands of dollars travelling to play smash. They have built a huge community and ran several huge tournaments. We have learned some things about tournament hosting since brawls been out and livestreams are almost standard these days.

I think what Jam was saying was in response to what the OP said, and what they said was...

...both Brawl and Melee need to be able to be together side by side and show respect towards each other. That includes the PLAYERS as well.

I would've thought it was just the players with the first sentence, but with the addition of the second one saying that the players are included, it sounds like they're saying the games also need to be respected.

That said, I agree, and I do respect the players. I think the game is mostly crap, but for those who aren't elitists or idiots, I respect their right to play the game and I don't attack them for playing a different game than I do. Some of my friends on this forum even prefer Brawl, but we manage to get along fine.

 

[Red Arremer]

I like you too, Firus. :3

 

[Teran]

It actually makes me laugh thinking that people will dislike another or treat them remotely differently just because they prefer a different installment in a video game franchise.

Oh what you prefer apples to pears? What?! Apples? F*** off c*** you're revolting.

 

[bobson]

It's hard to resolve a conflict when each side wants to pretend they're not at fault and the other side is full of horrible people.

NEWS FLASH: Neither side is innocent.

Of course neither side is innocent. It just so happens that one side is far less innocent than the other side, and no one wants to state that because doing so will make them seem biased and unfair.

 

[Clownbot]

It actually makes me laugh thinking that people will dislike another or treat them remotely differently just because they prefer a different installment in a video game franchise.

Oh what you prefer apples to pears? What?! Apples? F*** off c*** you're revolting.

Magic 8-Ball, should I sig this comment?

Like it's been said, Melee and Brawl are both great games in their own right, yadayadayada...

Anyway, the Melee/Brawl war needs to stop. It probably won't but d*** it, it does!

 

[Red Arremer]

Of course neither side is innocent. It just so happens that one side is far less innocent than the other side, and no one wants to state that because doing so will make them seem biased and unfair.

There is no "more faulty than others", both sides equally are faulty.

I personally haven't seen Brawl players making fun of people with physical handicaps, though.

 

[bobson]

There is no "more faulty than others", both sides equally are faulty.

Yes there is. If I steal your car and kill your mother because you called me a ********, we are not equally at fault. You are certainly at some fault for insulting me needlessly, but most fault falls on me for the disgusting overreaction.

 

[Hax]

may the fighting continue until brawl dies

 

[Red Arremer]

Yes there is. If I steal your car and kill your mother because you called me a ********, we are not equally at fault. You are certainly at some fault for insulting me needlessly, but most fault falls on me for the disgusting overreaction.

This is a different situation. I was talking about the Brawl/Melee discussions going on.
Though I have to state that the Melee-elitists are more annoying cause more present to me - both here on SWF and in my actual community here in Vienna.

 

[Apollo$]

I'll play Melee every now and then but I pretty much play brawl, It feels kinda stagnant but it has online play to keep my interest. I enjoy both games though Melee has hit stun and etc.

 

[bobson]

This is a different situation. I was talking about the Brawl/Melee discussions going on.

I've seen one Brawl player troll Melee (Xyro). How many Melee players have you seen troll Brawl?

 

[Red Arremer]

I've seen one Brawl player troll Melee (Xyro). How many Melee players have you seen troll Brawl?

Hm. I've seen people even create alt accounts in order to troll Brawl.

Touché. You win.

 

[Firus]

I've seen one Brawl player troll Melee (Xyro). How many Melee players have you seen troll Brawl?

Uh, I've actually seen many people trolling Melee. You probably never visit the Melee forums (hell, it's not like I even do that much), but there have been idiots going in there just to tell the Melee fans they suck.

THIS is EXACTLY why there's a problem, and why it can never be solved. When I said "Neither side is innocent", I didn't mean "TRY AND PROVE WHICH SIDE IS LESS INNOCENT", I meant, "Let's accept the fact that both sides are guilty."

No "more" guilty. No "less" guilty. You can't solve a problem if you're too busy trying to peg the blame on somebody. And let's be honest, it's not much better to refuse to accept that your side is guilty than it is to say that your side is much LESS guilty. Either way you're saying "Hey look it's their fault not mine, they have to fix it."

If you are on ONE side, OF COURSE you're not going to have seen your side's trolling as much, or at all.

 

[Falconv1.0]

Some people have no idea how competitive fighting games work and their ignorance is seen by some as trolling.

For example if you think Melee is only good for aggressive play, or that it's overly technical, you should never post again til you've lurked for about 1 year.

 

[bobson]

Uh, I've actually seen many people trolling Melee. You probably never visit the Melee forums (hell, it's not like I even do that much), but there have been idiots going in there just to tell the Melee fans they suck.

I lurk around the video and character boards (and occasionally the general Melee forum) and I've never seen one. If you can find me enough Melee trolls to match the Brawl trolls in even just the Genesis thread, I'll concede your point.
This is not a case of trying to prove which side is "less guilty," this is a case where one side is largely at fault and everyone on the other side is getting lumped in with them. If twenty people throw rocks at twenty other people and two of the other people throw rocks back you can't say "Well they're both at fault for throwing rocks, all of them should be punished."

If you are on ONE side, OF COURSE you're not going to have seen your side's trolling as much, or at all.

I'm on both sides. Brawl just lends itself to trolling, what with stuff like Dedede's infinites, planking, Metaknight, potential for stalling, etc.

 

[Oracle]

^^Agreed. On the internet, it's hard to tell, so lurk moar is very good advice to all newbies

The user blog people are so nice and intelligent.
I should spend more time here

 

[:mad:]

The user blog people are so nice and intelligent.
I should spend more time here

People like Serris would disagree.

Edit: And Meno.

 

[deepseadiva]

The user blog people are so nice and intelligent.

I say this with every ounce of sincerity in my heart:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH lol

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I lurk around the video and character boards (and occasionally the general Melee forum) and I've never seen one. If you can find me enough Melee trolls to match the Brawl trolls in even just the Genesis thread, I'll concede your point.
This is not a case of trying to prove which side is "less guilty," this is a case where one side is largely at fault and everyone on the other side is getting lumped in with them. If twenty people throw rocks at twenty other people and two of the other people throw rocks back you can't say "Well they're both at fault for throwing rocks, all of them should be punished."

Lol. Ever hear of guilt-by-association? If you're underage and toting around a bunch of drunk underage kids in your car and a cop pulls your *** over, do you think that the cop is going to let you off the hook cause you're sober? Hell no. Your *** is in trouble, too. Same concept applies here as well. If one side is trolling and one or two people on the other side reply back with counter-trolling of their own, ya'll (the inactive ones) are just as guilty for letting that sort of behavior GO ON. Both sides are guilty, regardless.

There are ignore buttons for a reason. Or, hey, that thing called a "thick skin" and "neglecting to reply to said flame bait." Both sides need to teach each other that.

That's just me, tho'.

Smooth Criminal

 

[bobson]

Lol. Ever hear of guilt-by-association? If you're underage and toting around a bunch of drunk underage kids in your car and a cop pulls your *** over, do you think that the cop is going to let you off the hook cause you're sober? Hell no. Your *** is in trouble, too. Same concept applies here as well. If one side is trolling and one or two people on the other side reply back with counter-trolling of their own, ya'll (the inactive ones) are just as guilty for letting that sort of behavior GO ON. Both sides are guilty, regardless.

So every Brawl player is at fault because a couple Brawl players they don't know respond to trolling?

Have you ever been an elementary school teacher, by any chance?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

So every Brawl player is at fault because a couple Brawl players they don't know respond to trolling?

Have you ever been an elementary school teacher, by any chance?

Might as well go ahead and be one. Some of you guys are about as thick-headed as the little kids there.

But yeah. Isn't it YOUR responsibility to make sure that those people know better? I mean, you are part of the Brawl community. Enlightening new people about the mores of pointless trolling should kinda be on the agenda considering your ardent defense.

Or...wait. You don't care about those other people. Yet, you still INSIST on feeding the fire by being a smart-*** with every other post.

I'm not going to sit here and draw up an essay about why your side is not blameless. Firus did a fine job of doing that already. Right and wrong should be pretty clear to you by now, unless you're one of those vaunted elementary school kids that I (kind of) alluded to.

Smooth Criminal

 

[bobson]

But yeah. Isn't it YOUR responsibility to make sure that those people know better? I mean, you are part of the Brawl community. Enlightening new people about the mores of pointless trolling should kinda be on the agenda considering your ardent defense.

No?
Other people are not my responsibility. They are their own responsibility. It's not the fault of every Melee player that some people troll Brawl players and it's not the fault of every Brawl player that Xyro trolls Melee players. It's not the fault of everyone on Smashboards that there are trolls on Smashboards and it's not the fault of everyone who uses the internet that people act like ***** on it.
You're a member of the human race, right? Why are you even talking to me? You should be off bringing the world into an idyllic utopia; it's your fault that criminals are still around.

Even if it WAS somehow my fault that *******s exist, it's been proven in many places, like say this thread, that people don't want to listen when you tell them to stop trolling or taking the bait.



Edit: In retrospect, I should've just replied to this blog with "I want a pony."

 

[Smooth Criminal]

If other people are not your responsibility, then why the **** are you even bringing this **** up? If you're going to ***** and moan about it being a problem, do something about it. Help people in YOUR community out. If not, then shut up and move on. I do the latter, since I don't care all that much for either community and go wherever the hell I please WITHOUT the *****ing.

(Edit)

Smooth Criminal

 

[bobson]

If other people are not your responsibility, then why the **** are you even bringing this **** up? If you're going to ***** and moan about it being a problem, do something about it. If not, then shut up and move on.

I didn't bring it up. The OP brought it up. I clarified that it was now "Brawl sux" rather than "Melee VS Brawl."

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I didn't bring it up. The OP brought it up. I clarified that it was now "Brawl sux" rather than "Melee VS Brawl."

Fair point.

*shrugs.* It's what I get for not reading. Sounds to me like you (kinda) feel the same way that I do.

Sorry for coming off harshly if that's the case. Hell, sorry for coming off harshly either way. It just annoys the **** out of me that the simplest solution available (ignoring the bashing) is overlooked and everybody wants to point fingers. Participating in the conflict gets you blame either way.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Chaco]

I thought this was going to be an insightful blog on races of sort. Then it was Brawl/Melee.

Ruined my day.

 

[demonictoonlink]

I hate the debate and I won't choose sides (though I have always enjoyed Brawl more. I like the playstyle)

People need to stop saying Brawl isn't competitive. It's cool to bring up learning curves, AT's, Aggressive playing, or anything else you like. Brawl plays DIFFERENTLY. Have you ever seen a Brawl tournament? How isn't it competitive. Brawl has pro players that consistently win tournaments. Better players preform better. How isn't this competitive?

As for me, I'm very happy with my skill level, my tournament performance, my playstyle, and my character. My character can camp, my I don't have to. I play however I want and will continue doing so. I advise everyone else to do the same.

 

[Red Arremer]

Basically, what Smooth Criminal is proposing is that the Melee-players should be able to troll Brawl. And that it's the Brawl-players fault the Melee-players are trolling them.

 

[Heartz♥]

Brawl players don't want you to respect their game, they just want to be treated respectfully as PEOPLE.

Ok...NOW we are beginning to sound like Melee and Brawl are freaking races or genera.

I play both, does that make me a mulatto?

 

[:mad:]

Ok...NOW we are beginning to sound like Melee and Brawl are freaking races or genera.

I play both, does that make me a mulatto?

No, that would make you a bisexual in the smash universe. Though some strange people are attracted to that 3rd gender and play 64, too.

Yes.