Palpi
Smash Hero
It is a little slower than links imo. Frame data could prove me wrong, but I remember a little different feel for links. 
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Q&A How to Wreck *****es with Ganon?- Linguini Q&A Thread
- Thread starter Linguini
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-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
I'm just going by feel. They're very close.
Fortress | Sveet
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Did someone say frame data?
Link, Zelda and Ganondorf are all airborne on the 7th frame of the jump animation.
Link, Zelda and Ganondorf are all airborne on the 7th frame of the jump animation.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Thanks sveet. Sloooow *** jumps lol
i was playing ganon recently and noticed that if you fullhop backwards on dreamland you land on those platforms way faster than if you just normally fullhop
i havent been able to waveland out of it but its pretty cool looking and i imagine would work for grabs if you get them onto the platform shielding
do any ganon players intentionally use this? its not something ive heard anyone talk about but i think its something that could be implemented fairly easily
i havent been able to waveland out of it but its pretty cool looking and i imagine would work for grabs if you get them onto the platform shielding
do any ganon players intentionally use this? its not something ive heard anyone talk about but i think its something that could be implemented fairly easily
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I sometimes double jump onto a platform, read the tech, waveland and re-grab. It works well and then after it's pretty much a free hit once more since tech-chasing on a platform is a joke.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Magus was telling me something a long time ago about wave landing on to platforms backwards is much faster or something along those lines...
right kage, but im saying the backflip up there on dreamland is super fast, try it out, you could backflip dash dance grab or backflip downsmash or something, palpi seems to have heard of a backflip waveland but its a smaller window as far as i can tell, i cant get the hang of it
Palpi
Smash Hero
Magus showed me it on battlefield and those are lower platforms so it may be easier there.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well when i can I guess I can, i don't have the game =P
Pawls to the Wall
Smash Journeyman
It definitely is, it's just much harder to time IMO.
kupo15
Smash Hero
Don't forget what I said a while back how backwards jumps also helps you to evade low-mid attacks you otherwise would get hit with a normal jump. I'm also thinking about trying out mindgaming opponents with animations. That backjump looks a lot like uair
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
does anyone truly think about move choiced partially based on position on the stage, or do you do it primarily by spacing vs your opponent?
for example, do people think of using bair under platforms as the basis of their spacing, or using bair a certain distance away from their opponent (just out of their range where they can grab you afterward, i'd imagine) as that base?
i feel that something can be gained by getting comfortable by choosing moves based on stage positition, and making sure that your move makes sense given your stage position as well as the opponent, but of course, if you bair under platforms without regard for where your opponent is, you will get torn up.
discuss?
for example, do people think of using bair under platforms as the basis of their spacing, or using bair a certain distance away from their opponent (just out of their range where they can grab you afterward, i'd imagine) as that base?
i feel that something can be gained by getting comfortable by choosing moves based on stage positition, and making sure that your move makes sense given your stage position as well as the opponent, but of course, if you bair under platforms without regard for where your opponent is, you will get torn up.
discuss?
i do that, but not as much for spacing purposes, more so based on potential rewards
near ledges i do moves which, if they hit, are more likely to hit them off the stage, in the middle of the stage i'm a little safer
i guess i do moves based on where platforms are as well, but i wouldnt be able to describe my reasoning for that as well. i know that under platforms, you dont have to worry about stuff like fox fulljump nairing so you can solely focus on his horizontal movement.
i would think less about intentionally bairing under a platform, and more about when you find yourself under a platform, bair differently or feel more comfortable fairing or something along those lines
dont take this as a definitive answer, defensive spacing is probably the worst aspect of my game
near ledges i do moves which, if they hit, are more likely to hit them off the stage, in the middle of the stage i'm a little safer
i guess i do moves based on where platforms are as well, but i wouldnt be able to describe my reasoning for that as well. i know that under platforms, you dont have to worry about stuff like fox fulljump nairing so you can solely focus on his horizontal movement.
i would think less about intentionally bairing under a platform, and more about when you find yourself under a platform, bair differently or feel more comfortable fairing or something along those lines
dont take this as a definitive answer, defensive spacing is probably the worst aspect of my game
spider_sense
Smash Champion
I need to MM this scrub ^^^
This completely lost me. The way I do things is I try to hit them, and I try to not get hit.
If this means I need to BAir then I BAir whether the platform is there or not, and if it can benefit me to use it, I try to use it for something. I guess in a way spacing to me is something that you learn to do (some people do at least) and where to position Ganon subconsciously comes to you the more you play Ganon. You make decisions based off past experiences for what worked, and what didn't. Ultimately, you just try to trick them into doing something that gets your fist in their face. I do not start off a match critiquing and analyzing, with a set predetermined "style." I come out swinging. Swinging intelligently as I know how, but swinging nevertheless.
DippnDots
Feral Youth
Careful Spider! That's BigD! He'd cut his mommas throat for a nickel. The reaper is always just a step behind him!
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Spider sense *****. And then moonwalks over the graves of his victims.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Can someone give me the power to teleport please? Would make things a lot easier for P5.. lol.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
Yo I don't care who it is. I'll mm this scurb all day, and get an Ps3 the next. =P
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
almost took a match off pp last night...got him down to last stock but then he ***** me...i played him in one set, best of 5. First tw games he owned me so maybe he was mangobagging...idk.
nc has a tourney today. I'll see what I can do about both recording and placing well.
nc has a tourney today. I'll see what I can do about both recording and placing well.
spider_sense
Smash Champion
That's good Chris, it means you're making progress. Just adapt and play to learn.
yummynbeefy
Smash Champion
Florida da bess
Pawls to the Wall
Smash Journeyman
What sort of controllers do you guys use? I mean, do you prefer brand new stiff joysticks or kinda loose?
With a new joystick, I'm able to pivot jab easily, but I think it messes me up with wavelanding somehow. Also, loose L-R triggers versus stiff triggers? With loose triggers, I accidentally light shield a lot, but it's easier to time powershields and wavelands. Tight triggers can make your fingers sore but they don't light shield by mistake.
I can't make up my mind with which control I want to take for Pound! ARGH!
With a new joystick, I'm able to pivot jab easily, but I think it messes me up with wavelanding somehow. Also, loose L-R triggers versus stiff triggers? With loose triggers, I accidentally light shield a lot, but it's easier to time powershields and wavelands. Tight triggers can make your fingers sore but they don't light shield by mistake.
I can't make up my mind with which control I want to take for Pound! ARGH!
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most people prefer a broken in controller. Personally, i like the brand new controller. I enjoy breaking it in. Give me an hour car ride to the tourney and when we get there it'll be so perfect m2k would use it.
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hey ace, no offense but why is ur ***** *** no longer a mod?
Pawls to the Wall
Smash Journeyman
I'm dumb. I just pulled out the oldest control I had and my wavelands were smoother than they have EVER been and pivot jabbing was perfect every time. Also, for some reason I can ledge drop properly with the c-stick which never seemed to work right for me. Why didn't I try this sooner?
On another note, I've incorporated upB out of shield and it's too good.
I've been using the same stick ever since I started playing smash. It's about as loose as it can get, and has no grip.
Stiff = lame
Vts
Smash Champion
girls would say other wise stiff is better and loose isn't good :D
DippnDots
Feral Youth
You gotta give them the half way though, so you look interested but not desperate. Haven't you ever seen hot tub time machine?
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Jane
Smash Hero
ace dont even want, none of the above he wants to piss on you. yes he do he'll piss on you he'll pee on you
spider_sense
Smash Champion
I prefer mines stiff, but these white controllers from Play-Asia are ridiculously stiff. It's going to take me some time to get it to where I have flexibility to do anything I want. Did anybody order a controller from there and have the same problems?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Nope, I kinda like these white controllers honestly.. however I still use the black one I had since Pound 3 and even before. My stick never gets loose, only my R button gets mashed up however I replaced it recently and it works wonders again.
Palpi
Smash Hero
i have a purple controller with a silver front and white back...(it was originally purple....purple plug hahaha) it is pretty old, but i think its control stick is perfect!