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Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 24, 2023

LoZ00 said:
The characters I selected were chosen, especially for the GBA, thinking about the games released on that handheld. So that’s why we have so many weird picks (namely Nell, Metagross, Eliwood, and Isaac).

About the amount of unlockable characters in Smash for the GB:
1. I couldn’t have had fewer than 4 starting characters, since you may want to play a free-for-all, but the GB doesn’t support colors (and even the GBC has limited prowess in that sense), so I had to have 4 starters. A free-for-all with the game booted up for the first time would basically be Mario, Link
2. Regardless of that, it is the exact same proportion of starters vs. unlockables seen in Smash 64 (and Smash Advance), with 2/3 of the roster being base, and 1/3 being unlockable.

I already have planned the roster for my DS sequel, so I can’t use your suggestions, but I might end up making a 3DS roster too, so some of these characters might see the light of day for that one!

I feel like I should clarify that I was looking at that from the perspective of an OTL Smash enthusiast. As characters on their own terms, all four of them are great picks for the game.

Yeah, that does make sense. Making a free-for-all fight as a selling point would mean only two unlockable characters for the GB game. I just wonder how many insane playground rumors would spout in this case.

After asking that question, I did compare it to Smash 64's roster proportion and found it equal.

Well, that actually has me even more hyped for your Smash DS roster, since that means there are a lot more surprising picks.

LoZ00 · Jun 24, 2023

LoZ00 said:
There is this silly idea I've had in the back of my mind for a few weeks and I now have found the time and will to make it.
So what if the Super Smash Bros. series was on handheld instead of console? So far, I have only made a roster for the GB and one for the GBA, but I'm willing to make one for the DS as well. So, without any further ado, let's-a-go!
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Release date: January 21, 1999 (Japan)
Predictably so, the roster is quite small, as it only features six characters. I imagine that the game's engine would be very primitive and that the player would be only allowed to move, jump, double jump, and attack in four different directions (neutral, side, up, down). No tilts, smashes, or specials here, as the console only has two buttons. There's no grabbing or shielding either! The game would feature only three modes: Smash, Board the Platform (using the actual stages instead of dedicated ones), and 1P Game. Regular Smash could be played in free-for-all or in 1-on-1, the latter even with another player using the link cable. Only Stock matches are available, with the ability to choose between 1 and 6 stocks.
In order to make the engine even more simple, I'd divide the characters into three weight tiers: light (Kirby and Pikachu), medium (Mario and Link), and heavy (Samus and DK). The two characters in the same weight tier share the exact same weight. Finally, I'd give each character the exact same walking speed and jump height. I don't know if Kirby could be an exception, by giving him multiple midair jumps, but I'd be fine too even without it. If this game were ever to exist, it would be a small miracle, so I'd gladly sacrifice a bit of the characters' individual personality in order to fit all of them in.

Mario is of course present as the balanced, easy-to-pick character. He'd have very simple moves, but I'd still give him a few references, like a fireball for his down ground attack, or a hammer swing for his side ground attack. Mario's down aerial attack would definitely be his iconic stomp.

Link is another middleweight fighter, with a penchant for projectiles: he'd still use the bow, the bomb, the boomerang, and the fire rod even if the game doesn't feature special attacks. However, Link's shield wouldn't block incoming attacks, avoiding any unnecessary interactions.

Samus is our first heavyweight fighter. She is even more reliant on projectiles than Link, meaning that she has a hard time KO'ing her opponents unless she can find ways to shut down their recovery.

Kirby is a lightweight fighter. He'd probably lack his multiple midair jumps, but something I'm not ok excluding are his iconic copy abilities. Unlike in Smash, Kirby would gain copy abilities that are taken from his Kirby's Dream Land 2, depending on the inhaled character:

Mario --> Burning

Link --> Cutter

Samus --> Ice

Pikachu --> Spark

DK --> Stone

His other attacks would be based on other copy abilities, items from Kirby's Dream Land, or be made up.

Pikachu is an unlockable character. It'd have attacks based on a few Pokémon moves it can learn in Pokémon Red and Green Versions, namely Thunderbolt, Swift, Tail Whip, and Thunder. Yup, I'm giving Pikachu Thunder. It'd be a lot smaller, however.

Donkey Kong is our final character, and he's another unlockable one. He'd be the largest fighter, meaning he is an easy target to hit, but he'd make up for it in raw strength, being by far the strongest fighter in the roster. His down ground attack has him throw a barrel, meaning that he doesn't even lack a projectile!

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Release date: January 21, 2003
This game would be released more than a full year after Melee. That is because I believe that the GBA would require some mileage before releasing a title like this, namely in the Pokémon department, a series that is growing to be larger and larger.
As for the roster, this iteration has 12 characters (double the amount of the first title), including all 6 veterans and adding 6 new characters, all coming from franchises that have had (as of the release date) games on the GBA.
In terms of gameplay, the term "Advance" in the game's title isn't just for showing: this version is an advanced version of its predecessor in every way: characters can now grab, shield, and dodge, have individual stats (as opposed to sharing walking speed, jumping height, and weight with other fighters), and even boast 3 recolors. Oh, the game itself is now colored (I'd imagine that on the GBC, the characters would just have some basic palettes based on the stage they're fighting in). Characters have also voice lines, though only a very few. Finally, characters can now charge some specific attacks, à la MultiVersus.
About modes, the game would retain the predecessor's Smash, Board the Platform, and 1P Game, all with some changes. For starters, Smash now gives the players the ability to play Time matches, to combine Time and Stocks, to play Team Matches (Blue v. Red teams only), and to connect with up to three friends for some 4-players action, while Board the Platform features three original stages, each for a specific difficulty setting (Normal, Hard, Very Hard).
Three new modes are Multi-Man Smash, which is essentially Infinite Smash, Break the Targets, which again features three original stages, designed for the three difficulties in mind, and All-Stars Mode, which pits the player against all the fighters in the game without any break.

Mario returns, relatively unchanged, aside for a couple of new moves that reference the Raccoon Tail from Super Mario Advance 4, which would be released a few months after Smash Advance.

Luigi is a newcomer, being a full clone of Mario, with a few differences here and there, mostly in his stats. Generally, Luigi is weaker than Mario, but is faster and more agile than his brother. Luigi was one character I wish I could have added in the previous title, but I can't see him working on the GB: it would be impossible to distinguish between him and Mario.

Link's design is now based on A Link to the Past, which saw a remake on the GBA. Additionally, Link now is able to block incoming projectiles with his shield.

Samus's design has been overhauled too, now being based on Metroid Fusion, the newest entry in the franchise. Most of her attacks are unchanged, but she'd use a few attacks from Fusion here and there. She'd also boast the powerful Grapple Beam.

Kirby's copy abilities are now based on Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land and are as follow:

Mario --> Fire

Luigi --> Hammer

Link --> Cutter

Samus --> Beam

Pikachu --> Spark

Donkey Kong --> Backdrop

Eliwood --> Sword

Isaac --> Stone

Nell --> Bomb

Metagross --> Burning (due to the fact that Metagross is partially based on meteors)

He also gains the corresponding hats!

Pikachu forgot Tail Whip and learned how to use Volt Tackle! That's some real upgrade in power, isn't it?

DK returns relatively unchanged, but the ability to charge some attacks is appreciated by a heavy hitter like him.

Eliwood is our Fire Emblem representative, being from the still unreleased Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade. I'd say that the series hasn't arrived overseas yet, to Eliwood would basically be the equivalent of Marth and Roy in Melee. He'd retain Marth's elegant fighting style without the tipper.

Wario is our first unlockable fighter. His appearance would mostly be based on Wario Land, considering that he has had way more appearances with that style than WarioWare. Notably, Wario Land 4 would have been released, meaning he has a clear source of his moveset.

Isaac is another unlockable fighter and he'd be a bit of a gamble, though I believe that his uniqueness is more than enough to warrant a spot on the roster. He'd trade some of Eliwood's speed for power and magic.

If you had a nickel for every time LoZ00 has added Nell to one of his roster, you'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. She'd be another unlockable character, summoning soldiers to fight for her.

Finally, Metagross is our last (unlockable) character, and our second Pokémon. I chose it because I wanted a Gen 3 Pokémon and the ace of the Champion Steven Stone felt fitting. Metagross would also be the heaviest fighter in the game, though not the largest, as that title would probably still belong to DK.

I'm planning to do a sequel for the Nintendo DS, so maybe stay tuned (I can't promise anything).

I made my Super Smash Bros. for the Nintendo DS roster. Here it is:

Release date: January 21, 2008
The game is called Super Smash Bros. Double Strife and, by virtue of being on a brand new console, it has some new features. The first thing I'd like to touch is the HUD. Weird, I know, but it makes sense. For the most part, the HUD would be the same as Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS, but in a handful of stages (let's say 5/25 total), the player can navigate both in the top and bottom screens. These stages would be named Dual Stages and are twice as tall as normal stages. This was done because I predict that all the stages in SSB and Advance would be fairly small. The second new feature of the game is the distinction between normals (performed with the A button) and specials (B button), since the DS has four buttons. They work similarly to MultiVersus, because the Nintendo DS lacks an analog stick. Due to these changes, the game is a sort of "soft reboot" of the series.
In terms of modes, Double Strife features all the modes from the predecessor (Smash, Break the Targets, Board the Platforms, Multi-Man Smash, and All-Stars Mode) mostly unchanged. The only exception is Multi-Man Smash, which now has the presence of many new sub-games (other than Infinite Smash, there are 10-Man Smash, 100-Man Smash, 15-Minute Smash, and Cruel Smash). The only new mode added is Stage Builder, a mode that takes full advantage of the DS's touch screen. Players are able to save up to 5 stages, one of which can also be a Dual Stage.
Finally, the roster, which contains 18 characters, divided into 12 starters and 6 unlockables. As I said, the game is considered a "soft reboot", as such this roster sees many different faces compared to the predecessor. For starters, only 8 of the 12 characters present in Advance make a comeback: Eliwood, Isaac, Nell, and Metagross are cut, although Eliwood and Nell are essentially replaced with Marth and Rachel respectively. Even some of the veterans have received some heavy changes, but I'll go in more detail in the spoilers below.

Mario is of course back as the beginner-friendly character. His moveset is mostly based on his classic power-ups (namely, the Fire Flower, and the Raccoon Leaf), but he also has a few moves that reference the Mario & Luigi series, and a side special that uses a kart.
Luigi is Mario's full clone yet again, retaining his higher speed and agility at the cost of power.
Princess Peach is a deserving newcomer! Super Princess Peach was already released, so she uses a few attacks from that game, including Perry the parasol and her vibes. I'd make the extra mile if necessary, but I want Peach to be able to float!
Bowser! Probably the most glaring omission from the Advance roster, the King of Koopas is finally here and, with the absence of Metagross, he takes the crown as the heaviest fighter in the game. His moveset would not be based on Bowser's Inside Story, since that game was released much later.
Link's appearance is greatly overhauled, now being based on the "toon" part of the Zelda series, which seemed to be the prevalent one at that time, at least when it came to handheld games. This would not heavily impact his moveset, but he'd also use the specific items from these games, mostly The Phantom Hourglass.
Samus's design, on the other hand, was reverted to a more classic one. That's because she didn't make any major appearance on the DS, except for Prime Hunters. Her moveset would be based on her many weapons, now finding a nice balance between projectiles and melee attacks, whereas in SSB and Advance she was essentially a pure spammer.
Kirby returns! But this time, with Inhale (which is now a special move), he copies the exact abilities performed by the inhaled character, like in Smash. He also finally dons the proper hats! His canon copy abilities are reserved for his neutrals.
Pikachu returns with a new moves to fill the gaps left by the presence of two attacking inputs. It is still a small, light, and nimble fighter.
Piplup joins the roster as another lightweight Pokémon, chosen mostly due to its prominent role in the anime. Unlike Pikachu, Piplup is much slower, but hopefully it would not be entirely useless. ~~I also love Piplup.~~
DK returns with a small overhaul that gives him a stronger identity as another burly brawler of the game, along with Bowser. Unlike the King of Koopas, the King of Jungle is also decently nimble and agile.
Marth replaces Eliwood, but the moveset would not be changed that much, apart from the obvious inclusion of many new moves. Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon wasn't released yet at the time I picture this game would be released, but Marth's addition works for a couple of reasons:
- Nintendo likes to promote new Fire Emblem characters in Smash
- Marth isn't actually a new face. In Japan at least, he'd be recognized.
Nintendog? Yeah, Nintendog! They appear as the funny WTF character of the game. I believe that with 18 slots, there's room for some fun here and there. Nintendog fights using their canine prowess, as well as toys from the Nintendogs game.

Time for unlockables!

Wario! He sports a new look based on Purple Wind from Master of Disguise because it fulfills the two roles of being both current and cool looking. His moveset wouldn't be overfilled with references to that game, though.
Tingle? Another weird pick, but on the DS, The Legend of Zelda series has a specific set of characters and sees the glaring absence of Ganondorf. On the other hand, Zelda's moveset would mostly be based on her phantom persona in Spirit Tracks, which didn't sound right to me and wasn't even released yet in 2008. But Tingle? Tingle has many DS games! He'd be a unique and surprisingly fitting addition.
Rachel is a newcomer, but she essentially replaces Nell, inheriting her playstyle and the ability to summon soldiers and tanks to her advantage. Unlike Nell and due to the presence of normals and specials, Rachel also engages opponents in close quarters combat with basic punches and kicks.
As much as I love King Dedede, in that period of time Meta Knight was the popular character between the two. His moveset is mostly based on his playable appearances, surprisingly common in that era.
Lucario is one of the rare instances where I happen to choose a character that became playable in the Smash series without being a series mainstay like Mario or Kirby. Its moveset would forgo the aura mechanic in favor of a more rushdown style.
Finally, Rhythm Girl! She summons characters and items from various Rhythm Heaven mini-games to attack the opponents. I can't see her having a rhythm-based mechanic, not on the Nintendo DS at least.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 24, 2023

LoZ00 said:
I made my Super Smash Bros. for the Nintendo DS roster. Here it is:

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Release date: January 21, 2008
The game is called Super Smash Bros. Double Strife and, by virtue of being on a brand new console, it has some new features. The first thing I'd like to touch is the HUD. Weird, I know, but it makes sense. For the most part, the HUD would be the same as Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS, but in a handful of stages (let's say 5/25 total), the player can navigate both in the top and bottom screens. These stages would be named Dual Stages and are twice as tall as normal stages. This was done because I predict that all the stages in SSB and Advance would be fairly small. The second new feature of the game is the distinction between normals (performed with the A button) and specials (B button), since the DS has four buttons. They work similarly to MultiVersus, because the Nintendo DS lacks an analog stick. Due to these changes, the game is a sort of "soft reboot" of the series.
In terms of modes, Double Strife features all the modes from the predecessor (Smash, Break the Targets, Board the Platforms, Multi-Man Smash, and All-Stars Mode) mostly unchanged. The only exception is Multi-Man Smash, which now has the presence of many new sub-games (other than Infinite Smash, there are 10-Man Smash, 100-Man Smash, 15-Minute Smash, and Cruel Smash). The only new mode added is Stage Builder, a mode that takes full advantage of the DS's touch screen. Players are able to save up to 5 stages, one of which can also be a Dual Stage.
Finally, the roster, which contains 18 characters, divided into 12 starters and 6 unlockables. As I said, the game is considered a "soft reboot", as such this roster sees many different faces compared to the predecessor. For starters, only 8 of the 12 characters present in Advance make a comeback: Eliwood, Isaac, Nell, and Metagross are cut, although Eliwood and Nell are essentially replaced with Marth and Rachel respectively. Even some of the veterans have received some heavy changes, but I'll go in more detail in the spoilers below.

Mario is of course back as the beginner-friendly character. His moveset is mostly based on his classic power-ups (namely, the Fire Flower, and the Raccoon Leaf), but he also has a few moves that reference the Mario & Luigi series, and a side special that uses a kart.

Luigi is Mario's full clone yet again, retaining his higher speed and agility at the cost of power.

Princess Peach is a deserving newcomer! Super Princess Peach was already released, so she uses a few attacks from that game, including Perry the parasol and her vibes. I'd make the extra mile if necessary, but I want Peach to be able to float!

Bowser! Probably the most glaring omission from the Advance roster, the King of Koopas is finally here and, with the absence of Metagross, he takes the crown as the heaviest fighter in the game. His moveset would not be based on Bowser's Inside Story, since that game was released much later.

Link's appearance is greatly overhauled, now being based on the "toon" part of the Zelda series, which seemed to be the prevalent one at that time, at least when it came to handheld games. This would not heavily impact his moveset, but he'd also use the specific items from these games, mostly The Phantom Hourglass.

Samus's design, on the other hand, was reverted to a more classic one. That's because she didn't make any major appearance on the DS, except for Prime Hunters. Her moveset would be based on her many weapons, now finding a nice balance between projectiles and melee attacks, whereas in SSB and Advance she was essentially a pure spammer.

Kirby returns! But this time, with Inhale (which is now a special move), he copies the exact abilities performed by the inhaled character, like in Smash. He also finally dons the proper hats! His canon copy abilities are reserved for his neutrals.

Pikachu returns with a new moves to fill the gaps left by the presence of two attacking inputs. It is still a small, light, and nimble fighter.

Piplup joins the roster as another lightweight Pokémon, chosen mostly due to its prominent role in the anime. Unlike Pikachu, Piplup is much slower, but hopefully it would not be entirely useless. ~~I also love Piplup.~~

DK returns with a small overhaul that gives him a stronger identity as another burly brawler of the game, along with Bowser. Unlike the King of Koopas, the King of Jungle is also decently nimble and agile.

Marth replaces Eliwood, but the moveset would not be changed that much, apart from the obvious inclusion of many new moves. Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragonwasn't released yet at the time I picture this game would be released, but Marth's addition works for a couple of reasons:

Nintendo likes to promote new Fire Emblem characters in Smash

Marth isn't actually a new face. In Japan at least, he'd be recognized.

Nintendog? Yeah, Nintendog! They appear as the funny WTF character of the game. I believe that with 18 slots, there's room for some fun here and there. Nintendog fights using their canine prowess, as well as toys from the Nintendogs game.

Time for unlockables!

Wario! He sports a new look based on Purple Wind from Master of Disguise because it fulfills the two roles of being both current and cool looking. His moveset wouldn't be overfilled with references to that game, though.

Tingle? Another weird pick, but on the DS, The Legend of Zelda series has a specific set of characters and sees the glaring absence of Ganondorf. On the other hand, Zelda's moveset would mostly be based on her phantom persona in Spirit Tracks, which didn't sound right to me and wasn't even released yet in 2008. But Tingle? Tingle has many DS games! He'd be a unique and surprisingly fitting addition.

Rachel is a newcomer, but she essentially replaces Nell, inheriting her playstyle and the ability to summon soldiers and tanks to her advantage. Unlike Nell and due to the presence of normals and specials, Rachel also engages opponents in close quarters combat with basic punches and kicks.

As much as I love King Dedede, in that period of time Meta Knight was the popular character between the two. His moveset is mostly based on his playable appearances, surprisingly common in that era.

Lucario is one of the rare instances where I happen to choose a character that became playable in the Smash series without being a series mainstay like Mario or Kirby. Its moveset would forgo the aura mechanic in favor of a more rushdown style.

Finally, Rhythm Girl! She summons characters and items from various Rhythm Heaven mini-games to attack the opponents. I can't see her having a rhythm-based mechanic, not on the Nintendo DS at least.

Considering how much of a graphical milestone the Nintendo DS was, compared to the GBA, I'd say a soft reboot could be a better way of handling this.

I'm neutral to Nell being replaced by Rachel, but Marth in place of Eliwood? Yes.

Here's hoping Luigi finally gets some differences for the 3DS entry.

I mean, Toon Link being the one Hero of Hyrule for the DS game does make sense. Look at him and tell me he's not expressive enough for Smash's first polygonal title.

Samus having melee attacks? Cool!

Great to have Kirby resemble his Console!Smash self now.

It's not like Piplup isn't a deserved newcomer. Even looking past your personal opinions, he just feels like a cute fighter.

I never thought the Nintendog could make it. You know what, forget having the Duck Hunt Dog in the next entry. I'd be fine if we just teamed this pupper with one of the ducks from that game instead.

Wario's new look is cool. That's all.

While I would have preferred another Triforce user, I suppose getting a second Zelda character at all would be better than none.

I mean, for the people who think Dedede was robbed, this is the chance to have the King of Dream Land train Piplup to be his successor. They're both blue penguins, and the new water starter does know Kirby technically. As it stands, Meta Knight was given a proper reveal in Brawl, so that's also another factor in choosing him first.

Lucario! Yeah! I'd be just fine if he and Pikachu remained constant vets, while Piplup gets replaced by the newest popular starter.

If the Nintendog can get in, so can a Rhythm Heaven fighter.

BowserKing · Jun 24, 2023

I see talk of Gameboy version of Smash and Gameboy Advanced versions, but no Gameboy Colour versions? I’ll fix that

Super Smash Bros for Gameboy Colour
Roaster:

Muddy Mole
Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, Kirby and Pikachu are in the starting roaster.
Peach is chosen due to Super Mario Bros being a big franchise and Peach is quite popular.
Lugia is chosen due to Gen 2 being released on Gameboy Colour and Lugia representing Legendary Pokémon.
Pit is there due to Kid Icarus formerly ending on Gameboy until Brawl came out.
Muddy Mole is there as a retro rep.

AlRex · Jun 24, 2023

I thought of this “Smash for past consoles/handhelds” before, up to and including one where Smash develops originally as an NES game, more similar to Konami Wai Wai World initially rather than the modern platform fighters we know now, but has a primitive VS more, similar to the NES Double Dragon. Basically a full-on alternate history development to Smash…first game would be around 1990, and just have four characters, similar to a few beat-em-ups from around that time, maybe even has an arcade release and a potential All-Stars/deluxe version for the SNES if the arcade version is more high fidelity.

The roster is…
Mario, Link, Samus, Pit
I told you there was just four! Maybe Luigi, as well, if you’d count a green alt color for Mario, if those are around in this game. SNES version would at least match the original Street Fighter II/Mortal Kombat base rosters, no worries.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 24, 2023

AlRex said:
I thought of this “Smash for past consoles/handhelds” before, up to and including one where Smash develops originally as an NES game, more similar to Konami Wai Wai World initially rather than the modern platform fighters we know now, but has a primitive VS more, similar to the NES Double Dragon. Basically a full-on alternate history development to Smash…first game would be around 1990, and just have four characters, similar to a few beat-em-ups from around that time, maybe even has an arcade release and a potential All-Stars/deluxe version for the SNES if the arcade version is more high fidelity.

The roster is…
Mario, Link, Samus, Pit
I told you there was just four! Maybe Luigi, as well, if you’d count a green alt color for Mario, if those are around in this game. SNES version would at least match the original Street Fighter II/Mortal Kombat base rosters, no worries.

If this is our four-character roster, I can honestly see Smash Bros. become an anchor for NBC's SatAM block starting in 1991.

No, really. With this game coming out in 1990, we could have replaced the Super Mario World cartoon and the last season of Captain N with a Smash Bros. cartoon. We already have Mario, Link, Pit, and arguably Samus and Luigi representing that time DiC and Nintendo had their partnership. This game was just right in the middle of it.

HyperSomari64 · Jun 26, 2023

What if D4 Enterprise released Project EGG worldwide?
1. Commodore 64
2. Commodore VIC-20
3. Commodore Amiga
4. Atari 8-bit Family
5. Atari ST
6. Apple II
7. MS-DOS
8. ZX Spectrum
9. BBC Micro
10. Amstrad CPC
11. Oric Atmos

HyperSomari64 · Jun 26, 2023

Ignore this.
I misread the post's section

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 27, 2023

Question: What is the maximum amount of characters one could put on each of Nintendo's systems?

An arcade cabinet?
Color TV-Game?
Game and Watch?
NES?
Game Boy?
SNES?
Virtual Boy?
N64?
Game Boy Color?
GBA?
Gamecube?
e-Reader?
DS?
Wii?
3DS?
Wii U?
Mobile phones?
Switch?

I'm leaving the Color TV-Game and the Game and Watch out of this equation, because not even I can see a fighting game on those pieces of hardware.

I am particularly asking this because I want to make a rotating list of Smash rosters by year and hardware at some point in the future. Starting in 1985 at the earliest, I suppose.

Wario Wario Wario · Jun 27, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
I'm leaving the Color TV-Game and the Game and Watch out of this equation, because not even I can see a fighting game on those pieces of hardware.

It's been done. Multiple characters too.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 27, 2023

Wario Wario Wario said:
It's been done. Multiple characters too.

In that case, I shall include those into the equation. My question still stands, though.

FazDude · Jun 27, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
Question: What is the maximum amount of characters one could put on each of Nintendo's systems?

An arcade cabinet?
Color TV-Game?
Game and Watch?
NES?
Game Boy?
SNES?
Virtual Boy?
N64?
Game Boy Color?
GBA?
Gamecube?
e-Reader?
DS?
Wii?
3DS?
Wii U?
Mobile phones?
Switch?

I'm leaving the Color TV-Game and the Game and Watch out of this equation, because not even I can see a fighting game on those pieces of hardware.

I am particularly asking this because I want to make a rotating list of Smash rosters by year and hardware at some point in the future. Starting in 1985 at the earliest, I suppose.

I’d say there’s no easy answer for any of these, since it would depend on a lot of factors, including how much non-fighter content each game would have - Less of that would equal more time to spend on fighters. Generally speaking, though, I’d say the GB would have less fighters than the NES.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 27, 2023

FazDude said:
I’d say there’s no easy answer for any of these, since it would depend on a lot of factors, including how much non-fighter content each game would have - Less of that would equal more time to spend on fighters. Generally speaking, though, I’d say the GB would have less fighters than the NES.

Okay. In that case, how much of an estimate could you see each of these consoles having for their roster sizes? I think that could be more manageable than the maximum amount, really.

FazDude · Jun 27, 2023

I did six for an NES roster on another site, so I'd go with 8-10 for SNES.

Wario Wario Wario · Jun 27, 2023

Walkers: Clash of the Crunch
A dumb idea I haven't gotten out of my head for a few weeks. No mascots, just the crisps themselves, though I imagine the stages would be themed on ads and feature cameos from mascots. Each crisp is animated in a sort of squashy stretchy way akin to the really early Pixar shorts, and is not anthropomorphised. Also includes Smiths crisps due to being the same parent company

WALKER'S - All-rounder
SMITH'S - Clone of Walker's, lighter and weaker but faster and smaller
WALKERS MAX - Clone of Walker's, bigger and slower but stronger and heavier
DORITO - Zoner with electric powers like those depicted on the packet.
MONSTER MUNCH - The basic ultraheavyweight of the roster
WOTSIT - Tactical fighter who spreads dust onto its foes, but also needs to manage its dust resource
CRUNCHY CHEETO - Clone of Wotsit, has no dust resource management to worry about but is nowhere near as powerful
QUAVER - Slippery, grappler-esque fighter who likes to constrict
SQUARE - Speedy hit-and-run fighter
BUGLE - Semi-heavy, essentially a toned down equivalence to Monster Munch
SNACK-A-JACK - Glass cannon
FRENCH FRY - Footsies fighter, not good in air but deadly on land.
CHIPSTICK - Clone of French Fry, more powerful but slower, though air game is basically the same.
STAR - Turtle fighter that uses stardust to keep foes at bay
SNAP - Puppet fighter, snaps in half and controls two, but can revert back to one.
FRAZZLE - Mix-up fighter
FUNYUN - Speediest fighter, rushdown.
TIGER NUT - I have no clue how this fighter would play, in fact it isn't even a crisp, but I cannot resist adding a fighter called "tiger nut"

Also, I like to imagine this game has a beyond-Brawl-level edgy aesthetic, just because it'd be really funny.

AlRex · Jun 27, 2023

AlRex said:
I thought of this “Smash for past consoles/handhelds” before, up to and including one where Smash develops originally as an NES game, more similar to Konami Wai Wai World initially rather than the modern platform fighters we know now, but has a primitive VS more, similar to the NES Double Dragon. Basically a full-on alternate history development to Smash…first game would be around 1990, and just have four characters, similar to a few beat-em-ups from around that time, maybe even has an arcade release and a potential All-Stars/deluxe version for the SNES if the arcade version is more high fidelity.

The roster is…
Mario, Link, Samus, Pit
I told you there was just four! Maybe Luigi, as well, if you’d count a green alt color for Mario, if those are around in this game. SNES version would at least match the original Street Fighter II/Mortal Kombat base rosters, no worries.

Adding to this, I’ll say that the arcade/SNES SMB All-Stars style version of this game adds Luigi as an easy Mario clone, and Donkey Kong Jr. and a new construction site level with Donkey Kong as a boss, following with the pre-DKC quirk of DK Jr. being in Mario Kart. This would probably be a launch title for the SNES, as well as the actual full-on sequel being released around 1994/1995, easing more towards the platform fighter focus one would expect, being somewhat comparable to The Outfoxies, but with Nintendo characters. Haven’t fully decided who gets added to that, but maybe DK Jr. gets swapped with a RareWare design DK, though I’m wondering whether it should have digitized graphics (like DKC or Super Mario RPG) or regular 16-bit sprites.

Wademan94 · Jun 27, 2023

Remember when I said I’d do a 151 fighter version of my Pokémon platform fighter roster?

Venusaur
Charizard
Blastoise
Rattata
Pikachu
Sandslash
Nidoking
Meowth
Psyduck
Arcanine
Alakazam
Machamp
Gengar
Rhydon
Kangaskhan
Eevee (Partner)
Snorlax
Dragonite
Mewtwo
Typhosion
Totodile
Xatu
Ampharos
Azumarill
Quagsire
Espeon
Umbreon
Slowking
Granbull
Scizor
Heracross
Sneasel
Smeargle
Suicine
Tyranitar
Grovyle
Blaziken
Mudkip
Gardevoir
Breloom
Mega Mawile
Aggron
Flygon
Milotic
Absol
Salamence
Metagross
Regice
Jirachi
Deoxys
Torterra
Empoleon
Bidoof
Luxray
Roserade
Vespiquen
Pachirisu
Gallade
Spiritomb
Garchomp
Lucario
Toxicroak
Darkrai
Serperior
Excadrill
Krookodile
Crustle
Scrafty
Archeops
Amoonguss
Chandelure
Haxorus
Mienshao
Golurk
Bisharp
Hydreigon
Meloetta
Genesect
Braixen
Greninja
Talonflame
Florges
Pangoro
Aegislash
Sylveon
Hawlucha
Goodra
Noivern
Diancie
Hoopa
Decidueye
Incineroar
Primarina
Alolan Raichu
Alolan Vulpix
Alolan Marowak
Lurantis
Bewear
Golisopod
Silvally
Mimikyu
Kommo-o
Tapu Koko
Pheromosa
Marshadow
Melmetal
Rillaboom
Cinderace
Galarian Darmanitan
Corviknight
Wooloo
Dreadnaw
Toxtricity
Grapploct
Grimmsnarl
Obstagoon
Sirfetch’d
Mr. Rime
Snom
Morpeko
Dracovish
Dragapult
Zacian
Regieleki
Hisuian Voltorb
Hisuian Samurott
Hisuian Zoroark
Hisuian Lilligant
Kleavor
Meowscarada
Skeledirge
Spidops
Pawmot
Ceruledge
Tinkaton
Palafin
Revaroom
Cyclizar
Annihilape
Clodsire
Great Tusk
Slither Wing
Iron Bundle
Iron Hands
Baxcalibur
Gholdengo
Chien-Pao
Roaring Moon
Iron Valiant
Koraidon
Miraidon

Pupp135 · Jun 27, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
Question: What is the maximum amount of characters one could put on each of Nintendo's systems?

An arcade cabinet 8
Color TV-Game?
Game and Watch?
NES 8
Game Boy 6
SNES 10
Virtual Boy 10
N64 16 (Smash Remix has more, but I feel like time constraints are still a thing)
Game Boy Color 6
GBA 12
Gamecube 70
e-Reader 4
DS 16
Wii 80
3DS 65
Wii U 90
Mobile phones 30
Switch 120

I'm leaving the Color TV-Game and the Game and Watch out of this equation, because not even I can see a fighting game on those pieces of hardware.

I am particularly asking this because I want to make a rotating list of Smash rosters by year and hardware at some point in the future. Starting in 1985 at the earliest, I suppose.

I don’t know what the true max is because Smash Remix is technically able to support 28 characters on the N64, and there are a ton of factors to consider.

For convenience, I’ll highlight my answers above (please take these with a grain of salt)

Another for fun alternate SSB history that I’ve played around with is if there was less development time for each game.

This is the roster based on the debug menu up to Pikachu.
While Yoshi is a de facto Mario character, his series a much more successful than those not on the roster.
Captain Falcon should be easy enough to add.
Luigi and Captain Falcon are unlockable.

Based on this video, it was speculated that there would only be 17 fighters. I feel like a clone or two would sneak in, I replaced one unique newcomer with two clones.
Bowser and Peach were the most important characters missing from 64.
A Legend of Zelda feels obvious, and Ganondorf seems like the easiest to implement.
Marth is a vehicle to introduce Fire Emblem overseas.
I could see myself add a Mother character, and with the cancellation of Mother 3, Ness scrapes by.
Mewtwo was the most requested pokemon.
For the clones, I just went with Young Link and Falco as they’d probably pop up first in my head.
I’ll assume that unlockable fighters are Luigi, Captain Falcon, Young Link, Marth, Falco, and Mewtwo.

*

*The trainer is one fighting and not her/his pokemon
Brawl without the delay meant that at least Lucario, Sonic, and the post-Subspace fighters would be removed. Going off of unlock order, it could’ve been possible that R.O.B., Ganondorf, and Mr. Game & Watch would’ve also been dropped, but as I only had 6 unique Melee newcomers, and the only clones were Falco and Young Link, I don’t think this would be an issue.
Mewtwo is still dropped for time constraints, and Toon Link would probably also be dropped.
From the newcomers, I decided to keep most of the ones that we actually had as I have no objections towards them. Pokemon Trainer is the only one being changed as adding a three character stance fighter feels unrealistic, and I’d go with a standalone trainer over Charizard as I’d prefer this option.
The two free spots went to Zelda and Ice Climbers as the former is a prominent character in her series, and the latter have a cool gimmick that I’d want to make work.
Subspace should be close to what it was given the cast, except for the following: there’s no Charizard battle, Meta Knight doesn’t meet Lucario, and Ancient Minister dies I guess.
Unlockable fighters would be Luigi, Zelda, Marth, Captain Falcon, King Dedede, Falco, Lucas.

In terms of characters who would be excluded, I only know that Bowser Jr. would be. Also, I assume that Jigglypuff wouldn’t have made it, but I don’t need to worry about that as it never joined in the first place in this alternate timeline.
In terms of cuts, the only ones that I could see myself remove are Ice Climbers, Pokemon Trainer, Snake, and Lucas for similar reasons. Outside of those four fighters, the only other fighter that might’ve been at risk was Ike, but he should be easy enough to bring back.
In terms of how many fighters would be playable, I think 42 is reasonable enough assuming that the clones would be made early enough (Lucina was revealed in July, so I don’t think it’s farfetched to have the three clones).
In terms of newcomers, I think Duck Hunt would be too low priority for me to consider compared to the others. The other things that I’d like to note are that I’d want Sonic and Mewtwo on my base rosters. In addition to Sonic and Mewtwo, I feel like the Pokemon Company would push for Charizard. In this case, I assume that Greninja gets pushed to DLC as the former’s game was released after the initial plan. For clones, I’ll just replace Dr. Mario with Daisy as he was never in Melee, and Daisy has been an alt since Melee.
While they are less conventional choices than Waluigi, Bowser Jr., and Chrom, I think that Rosalina and Robin have cool movesets, so I’d prioritize them.
Unlockable fighters would be Rosalina, Daisy, Zelda, Dark Pit, Robin, Lucina, Captain Falcon, Falco, Mewtwo, Wii Fit Trainer.
For DLC, I think that I’d want to finish Greninja first. Then, I’d bring back Young Link and Lucas as they’re easy to add back. I don’t know how much more time I have left, but given that two of the fighters were worked on earlier, and I brought back two clones, I might be able to squeeze two more DLC fighters, and I’m fine keeping it as Cloud and Ryu given that Bayonetta relied on the ballot, and Corrin was decided later in the cycle.

*

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*The Trainer is a standalone fighter
I’d assume this would just be a port of For combining the 3DS and Wii U content.
In terms of additional fighters, I’d try to bring back Ice Climbers, Pokemon Trainer, and Snake, so all previous fighters would be present.
In terms of base newcomers, it’d probably be Inkling, Isabelle, Ridley, and K. Rool. Maybe I’ll throw in Chrom and Alph for easy clones.
I feel like Incinoroar would’ve been the bonus DLC fighter in the same way that Greninja would be in this timeline.
For post bonus fighter DLC, I’ll give myself 5 fighters. All the fighters that I chose were pretty much requested fighters more or less with the exception of Mythra/Pyra, who is the promotional pick.

BowserKing · Jun 27, 2023

Super Smash bros for Arcade
Released in 2000
Roaster
1.Mario
2.Luigi
3.Peach
4.Bowser
5.Dr.Mario
6.King Wart
7.Donkey Kong
8.Diddy Kong
9.Dixie Kong
10.King K.Rool
11.Yoshi
12.Wario
13.Link
14.Zelda
15.Ganondorf
16.Young Link
17.Ruto
18.Samus
19.Ridley
20.Pit
21.Kirby
22.King Dedede
23.Meta Knight
24.Adeleine
25.Fox
26.Falco
27.Slippy
28.Wolf
29.Takamaru
30.Duck Hunt
31.Pikachu
32.Jigglypuff
33.Charizard
34.Mewtwo
35.Pichu
36.Lugia
37.Ness
38.Paula
39.Ice Climbers
40.Marth
41.Captain Falcon
42.Jody Summer
43.Bio-Rex
44.Mr.Game & Watch
45.Ayumi
46.Little Mac
47.Doc Lewis
48.Prince Sable
49.Lip
50.Toad
51.Feraligatr
52.Marx
53.Celica
54.Skull Kid
55.Palutena
56.Black Shadow
57.Porky
58.King Hippo
The last 9 are secret characters and Master Hand is the final boss

Perkilator · Jun 27, 2023

BowserKing said:
Super Smash bros for Arcade
Released in 2000
Roaster
1.Mario
2.Luigi
3.Peach
4.Bowser
5.Dr.Mario
6.King Wart
7.Donkey Kong
8.Diddy Kong
9.Dixie Kong
10.King K.Rool
11.Yoshi
12.Wario
13.Link
14.Zelda
15.Ganondorf
16.Young Link
17.Ruto
18.Samus
19.Ridley
20.Pit
21.Kirby
22.King Dedede
23.Meta Knight
24.Adeleine
25.Fox
26.Falco
27.Slippy
28.Wolf
29.Takamaru
30.Duck Hunt
31.Pikachu
32.Jigglypuff
33.Charizard
34.Mewtwo
35.Pichu
36.Lugia
37.Ness
38.Paula
39.Ice Climbers
40.Marth
41.Captain Falcon
42.Jody Summer
43.Bio-Rex
44.Mr.Game & Watch
45.Ayumi
46.Little Mac
47.Doc Lewis
48.Prince Sable
49.Lip
50.Toad
51.Feraligatr
52.Marx
53.Celica
54.Skull Kid
55.Palutena
56.Black Shadow
57.Porky
58.King Hippo
The last 9 are secret characters and Master Hand is the final boss

Funnily enough, I had a similar fantasy about the first three games and Ultimate. Lemme just pull up my roster real quick:

Perkilator said:
I’m gonna make my own definitive editions of the Smash games, using characters who were confirmed to be considered/cut for their respective games (as many as I see feasible, anyway), along with hints of self-indulgence. Italics bold denotes unlockable characters.

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Luigi
Bowser
Marth
Mewtwo
King Dedede
Ness
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff

Rivalries

Mario vs. Luigi

Donkey Kong vs. Bowser

Link vs. Marth

Samus vs. Mewtwo

Yoshi vs. King Dedede

Kirby vs. Ness

Fox vs. Captain Falcon

Pikachu vs. Jigglypuff

Luigi
Mario
Bowser
Peach
Wario
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Captain Falcon
Falco
Fox
Ness
Ice Climbers
Kirby
Samus
Zelda / Sheik
Link
Ganondorf
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Pikachu
Scizor
King Dedede
Mr. Game & Watch
Ayumi Tachibana
Marth
Roy

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Marth
Mr. Game & Watch
Luigi
Diddy Kong
Zelda / Sheik
Pit
King Dedede
Falco
Pokémon Trainer
Ike
DeMille
Bowser
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Meta Knight
Wolf
Lucario
Ness
Snake
Peach
Wario
Tetra
R.O.B.
Olimar
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Lucas
Sonic

3DS version

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Rosalina & Luma
Bowser Jr.
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Link
Zelda
Sheik
Ganondorf
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Fox
Falco
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Scizor
Lucario
Greninja
Ness
Captain Falcon
Marth
Ike
Robin
Wario
Mr. Game & Watch
Pit
Palutena
DeMIlle
Villager
Little Mac
Duck Hunt
Takamaru

Lucina
Dark Pit
Sonic
Mega Man
PAC-MAN
Mii Fighters

Wii U version

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Rosalina & Luma
Bowser Jr.
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Link
Zelda
Sheik
Ganondorf
Tetra
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Fox
Falco
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Scizor
Lucario
Greninja
Ness
Captain Falcon
Marth
Ike
Ice Climbers
Wario
Pit
Palutena
Olimar / Alph
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Little Mac
Shulk

Takamaru
Lucina
Sonic
Mega Man
PAC-MAN
Mii Fighters

Free updates

Tetra (3DS)
Popo / Nana (3DS)
Oimar / Alph (3DS)
Wii Fit Trainer (3DS)
Shulk (3DS)
Mr. Game & Watch (Wii U)
DeMille (Wii U)
Dark Pit (Wii U)
Robin (Wii U)
Duck Hunt (Wii U)

DLC

Rayman
Ryu
Lucas
Cloud
Roy
Azura

Bayonetta

Base game

64 Melee Bwl for 3DS / Wii U Newcomers Echo Fighters

1. Mario

2. Donkey Kong

3. Link

4. Samus

5. Yoshi

6. Kirby

7. Fox

8. Pikachu

9. Luigi

10. Bowser

11. Marth

12. Mewtwo

13. King Dedede

14. Ness

15. Captain Falcon

16. Jigglypuff

17. Peach

18. Sheik

19. Zelda

20. Scizor

21. Ice Climbers

22. Wario

23. Diddy Kong

24. Ayumi

25. Ganondorf

26. Falco

27. Roy

28. Mr. Game & Watch

29. Meta Knight

30. Pit

31. Zero Suit Samus

32. Snake

33. Ike

34-36. Pokémon Trainer

Totodile

Grovyle

Charizard

37. Lucas

38. Sonic

39. Olimar

40. Lucario

41. DeMille

42. R.O.B.

43. Tetra

44. Wolf

45. Villager

46. Mega Man

47. Wii Fit Trainer

48. Rosalina & Luma

49. Little Mac

50. Greninja

51-53. Mii Fighters

Brawler

Swordfighter

Gunner

54. Palutena

55. PAC-MAN

56. Robin

57. Shulk

58. Bowser Jr.

59. Takamaru

60. Duck Hunt

61. Rayman

62. Ryu

63. Cloud

64. Azura

65. Bayonetta

66. Inkling

67. Simon / Trevor

68. Alucard

69. Ridley

70. King K. Rool

71-72. Pyra / Mythra

73. Bandana Waddle Dee

74. Incineroar

75. Waluigi

(4ε.) Dark Samus

(11ε.) Lucina

(13ε.) Dry Bowser

(15ε.) Black Shadow

(17ε.) Daisy

(23ε.) Dixie Kong

(27ε.) Chrom

(30ε.) Dark Pit

(38ε.) Shadow

(39ε.) Alph

(49ε.) Glass Joe

(56ε.) Celica

(62ε.) Ken

DLC

FIghters Pass Vol. 1 Fighters Pass Vol. 2

76. Joker

77. Slime

78. Crash Bandicoot

79. Estelle Bright

80. Terry Bogard

81. Banjo & Kazooie

82. Min Min

83. Steve

84. Sephiroth

85. Kazuya

86. Dr. Eggman

87. Sora

Releases in Japanese arcades in January 1998 before being ported to the N64 a year later

Arcade Ver. Roster

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu

Home port additions

Luigi
Bowser
Marth
Mewtwo
King Dedede
Ness
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff

Released in arcades in November 2001 and ported to GameCube a year later to coincide with Super Mario Sunshine

Arcade Ver. Roster (* denotes a character made unlockable in the GameCube version)

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Luigi*
Bowser
Marth*
Mewtwo*
King Dedede*
Ness
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff*
Peach
Zelda / Sheik
Scizor
Ice Climbers

Home port additions

Wario
Diddy Kong
Ayumi Tachibana
Ganondorf
Falco
Roy
Mr. Game & Watch

Released in arcades in July 2007 and ported to the Wii a year later

Arcade Ver. Roster

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus / Zero Suit Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Bowser
King Dedede
Peach
Zelda / Sheik
Ice Climbers
Wario
Diddy Kong
Meta Knight
Pit
Snake

Home port additions

Luigi
Marth
Ness
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Falco
Mr. Game & Watch
Ike
Pokémon Trainer
Lucas
Sonic
Olimar
Lucario
DeMille
R.O.B.
Tetra
Wolf

Released in arcades in June 2018 and ported to the Switch in December 2019, with updates to the arcade version for evert newcomer revealed

64
- 1. Mario
- 2. Donkey Kong
- 3. Link
- 4. Samus
- 5. Yoshi
- 6. Kirby
- 7. Fox
- 8. Pikachu
- 9. Luigi
- 10. Bowser
- 11. Marth
- 12. Mewtwo
- 13. King Dedede
- 14. Ness
- 15. Captain Falcon
- 16. Jigglypuff
Melee
- 17. Peach
- 18. Sheik
- 19. Zelda
- 20. Scizor
- 21. Ice Climbers
- 22. Wario
- 23. Diddy Kong
- 24. Ayumi
- 25. Ganondorf
- 26. Falco
- 27. Roy
- 28. Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl
- 29. Meta Knight
- 30. Pit
- 31. Zero Suit Samus
- 32. Snake
- 33. Ike
- 34-36. Pokémon Trainer
- 37. Lucas
- 38. Sonic
- 39. Olimar
- 40. Lucario
- 41. DeMille
- 42. R.O.B.
- 43. Tetra
- 44. Wolf
for 3DS / Wii U
- 45. Villager
- 46. Mega Man
- 47. Wii Fit Trainer
- 48. Rosalina & Luma
- 49. Little Mac
- 50. Greninja
- 51-53. Mii Fighters
  - Brawler
  - Swordfighter
  - Gunner
- 54. Palutena
- 55. PAC-MAN
- 56. Robin
- 57. Shulk
- 58. Bowser Jr.
- 59. Takamaru
- 60. Duck Hunt
- 61. Rayman
- 62. Ryu
- 63. Cloud
- 64. Azura
- 65. Bayonetta
Newcomers
- 66. Inkling
- 67. Simon / Trevor
- 68. Alucard
Echo Fighters
- (11ε.) Lucina
- (13ε.) Dry Bowser
- (15ε.) Black Shadow
- (17ε.) Daisy
- (23ε.) Dixie Kong
- (27ε.) Chrom
- (30ε.) Dark Pit
- (38ε.) Shadow
- (39ε.) Alph
- (49ε.) Glass Joe

Arcade updates (later added to the Switch version)

EVO 2018
- 69. Ridley
- 70. King K. Rool
- (4ε.) Dark Samus
- (56ε.) Celica
September 2018
- 71-72. Pyra / Mythra
February 2019
- 73. Bandana Waddle Dee
E3 2019
- (62ε.) Ken
- 74. Incineroar
- 75. Waluigi
DLC characters
- 76. Joker
- 77. Slime
- 78. Crash Bandicoot
- 79. Estelle Bright
- 80. Terry Bogard
- 81. Banjo & Kazooie
- 82. Min Min
- 83. Steve
- 84. Sephiroth
- 85. Kazuya
- 86. Dr. Eggman
- 87. Sora

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 28, 2023

Pupp135 said:
I don’t know what the true max is because Smash Remix is technically able to support 28 characters on the N64.

For convenience, I’ll highlight my answers above with the assumption that there are still some time constraints (looking back, I need to modify this as the Gamecube and Wii are more powerful than the 3DS)

Thank you for giving me a legitimate answer. Although it did surprise me how many you could fit onto the home consoles since the Gamecube.

Granted, 8-12 seems like a general assumption from the hardware focused on bits and bytes. But over 60 fighters for the more advanced hardware, and even the mobile phone version can withstand almost double the roster size that the N64 and DS have? You have to be pulling my leg or something.

Wario Wario Wario · Jun 28, 2023

Another SSBU hypothetical... What if SSBU focused on new stages? Stage selection was still decided to go along with SSBU's fighter roster, so I tried to avoid picks that seemed like "teases" for one fighter or another, though the music selection would be different ofc. Included some spiritual successor stages, but still tried to focus on new stage ideas.

Battlefield (Super Smash Bros.)
New original stage (layout of Big Battlefield)
Final Destination
Super Bell Hill (Super Mario Bros.)
Bowser’s Castle
Rainbow Road (New layout, not a 3DS repeat, based on MK8’s 64 Rainbow Road)
New Donk City Hall
Dire Dire Docks
Steam Gardens
Coconut Mall
Trampoline Time
Mario Paint
Storks’ Sanctuary (Yoshi)
Frog’s Belly
25M (Donkey Kong)
Treehouse & Banana Hoard
Bramble Blast
Sawmill Thrill
K. Rool Kountry (Transforming composite of all K. Rool boss fight arenas)
Wario’s Castle (Wario)
Super Game MakerMatic 21
Great Plateau Tower (The Legend of Zelda)
NES Overworld
Fire Temple
Kokiri Forest
Great Fairy Fountain (based on Wind Waker)
Ganondorf’s Tower
Tallon Overworld (Metroid)
SR388
Butter Building (Kirby)
Snow Land (Based on Epic Yarn)
Sectonia’s Gem
Dream Course
FX Cruise (Star Fox)
Homeworld Core
Pokemon Stadium X (Pokemon)
Pokemon Go
Kanto GB
Hoenn Pokemon League
Iki Town
Poke Floats 2
Pokemon Channel
Lumine Hall (EarthBound)
Arena (New layout, not a Wii U repeat) (Fire Emblem)
Dragon’s Table
Opera House
Mario’s Cement Factory (Game & Watch)
Inside Palutena’s Temple (Kid Icarus)
Wistful Wild (Pikmin)
Gyromite (ROB)
Toy Day (Animal Crossing)
The Roost
Dinosaur Museum
Obstacle Course (Wii Fit)
Boxing Ring (Punch-Out!!) (New layout, not a repeat)
NYC Training
Sword Valley (Xenoblade)
New Los Angeles
Splatfest (Splatoon)
Moray Towers
Big Shell (Metal Gear)
VR Training
Green Hill Zone (new layout, not a Brawl repeat) (Sonic the Hedgehog)
Chemical Plant Zone
Studiopolis Zone
Central Highway (Mega Man)
Quick Man Stage
Mappy (Pac-Man)
Pac-Land 2 (Based on Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures)
Suzaku Castle (New layout, not a 3DS/Wii U repeat) (Street Fighter)
Flamenco Tavern
Midgar Slums (Final Fantasy)
Highwind
Vigrid (Bayonetta)
Dracula’s Castle (Castlevania)
Nester’s Funky Bowling (Nintendo Power)
Rhythm Rally (Rhythm Heaven)
Concert Hall (Tomodachi Life)
Football Court (Nintendo Pocket Football Club)
Spring Stadium (Arms) (Assume Min Min’s DLC would have a different stage)
Frog Crossing (Frogger)
After Burner (After Burner)
Dangerous Cruise (The Outfoxies)
Saffron City (Retro stages - 64)
Hyrule Castle
Planet Zebes
Mushroom Kingdom
Temple (Retro stages - Melee)
Corneria
Yoshi’s Story
Mute City
Smashville (Retro stages - Brawl)
Castle Siege
Pirate Ship
Hanenbow
Pac-Maze (Retro stages - 3DS)
Magicant
Living Room
Gerudo Valley
Wuhu Island (Retro stages - Wii U)
Duck Hunt
Umbra Clock Tower
Garden of Hope

Pupp135 · Jun 28, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
Thank you for giving me a legitimate answer. Although it did surprise me how many you could fit onto the home consoles since the Gamecube.

Granted, 8-12 seems like a general assumption from the hardware focused on bits and bytes. But over 60 fighters for the more advanced hardware, and even the mobile phone version can withstand almost double the roster size that the N64 and DS have? You have to be pulling my leg or something.

To be honest, my answers should be taken with a grain of salt because there are many factors to consider outside of maxing out the system’s storage. If we just care about maximum storage space as our constraint, I think some Brawl mods have close to or even more than 100 fighters.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 28, 2023

Pupp135 said:
To be honest, my answers should be taken with a grain of salt because there are many factors to consider outside of maxing out the system’s storage. If we just care about maximum storage space as our constraint, I think some Brawl mods have close to or even more than 100 fighters.

Thanks, but I think I'll stick with your given answers for now. To me, they all look to stand within reason of any additional content. For example, I'm not surprised the gap between the SNES, N64, and Gamecube is varied, because the N64 was their first polygonal console and the Gamecube was their first attempt at putting their games on discs.

Also, in spite of its low sales, the Virtual Boy does at least look more capable of a fighting game roster in the double digits.

Likewise, if the 3DS can have a Smash game of its own in our world, of course it can allow for five times the roster that the DS could have.

And those in the Nintendo community around the Switch's launch would likely recall how BOTW simply doesn't run as well on the Wii U as it does on the Switch, so I do understand why you believe it can hold over 100 combatants with that logic.

Deleted member · Jun 28, 2023

Garfield: Furr-ious Frenzy
A Garfield platform fighter .

1. Garfield (Plays pretty much like NASB)
2. Jon (Uses a lot of dancing and attacks based on his various jobs)
3. Odie (Uses his tounge and bounces aelund )
4. Nermal (Would be based around his "cute" nature, the Pichu of the game )
5. Arlene (Uses a lot of stuff like blowing bubbles and sharpening her nails)
6. Harry (The Wolf to Garfield's Fox. Uses a lot of claw attacks and moves making use of his greedy nature)
7. Liz (Uses a lot of medical equipment)
8. Squeak (Second smallest character in the game. Is all about speed and avoiding attacks)
9. Binky (Is a clown. Uses all the typical clown things. Spraying flower, balloons, cannons, stc)
10. Lyman (A semi clone of Jon. Would have some attacks reflecting the memes around his mysterious nature)
11. Doc Boy (Uses farming equipment and tools)
12. Al Swindler (Is all about laying traps for your opponent)
13. Vito Cappelletti (Throws pizzas and uses pizza making equipment)
14. Dirk Dinkum (A big boy. All about bullying your opponent)
15. Winona Cauldron (A typical witch. Magic attacks and all)
16. Garzooka (Garfield but a superhero. Flies around and does superhero stuff)
17. 1970's Garfield (A chonky boy. Doesn't actually do much but you can use that size to your advantage)
18. Orson (Guest character from Us Acres, does things from those strips)
19. Gnorm Gnat (Guest character from one of Jim Davis's first stories. I know nothing about this one. He'd be small though)
20. Heathcliff (Guest character. Would have a moveset full of references)

BowserKing · Jun 29, 2023

Teen Titans X Avengers: Earths Mightiest Heroes: Titans Assemble

Teen Titans side
1.Robin
2.Starfire
3.Cyborg
4.Beast Boy
5.Raven
6.Slade
7.Jinx
8.Gizmo
9.Mammoth
10.Bumblebee
11.Aqualad
12.Thunder
13.Lightning
14.Terra
15.Mumbo
16.Speedy
17.Kid Flash
18.Más y Menos
19.Pantha
20.Killer Moth
21.Red X
22.Punk Rocket

EMH Side
1.Iron-Man
2.Thor
3.Hulk
4.Wasp
5.AntMan
6.Captain America
7.Black Panther
8.Hawkeye
9.Ms.Marvel
10.Vision
11.Spider-Man
12.Rocket Raccoon
13.Black Widow
14.Mockingbird
15.Loki
16.Enchantress
17.Zemo
18.Abomination
19.M.O.D.O.K
20.Dr.Doom
21.Ultron
22.Madame Viper

Bosses
1.Trigon
2.Malcinor
3.Cinderblock
4.Surtur
5.Red Skull
6.Kang the Conqueror

DLC
Teen Titans Side
1.Wildebeest
2.Hot Shot
3.Brother Blood
4.Control Freak
5.Blackfire
6.Batman (Guest Fighter)
7.Joker (Guest Fighter)

EMH side
1.Mr.Fantastic
2.Invisable Woman
3.Human Torch
4.Thing
5.Wolverine
6.Green Goblin (Guest Fighter)
7.Thanos (Guest Fighter)

Wario Wario Wario · Jul 1, 2023

CTRNF sequel roster

All CTRNF characters return - except for Papu Papu, for hopefully-obvious reasons - while all tracks also return - including Papu's Pyramid.

The base game's extra characters are almost entirely original, 2 new heroes, 5 new villains, and an extra unlockable character beyond N. Tropy in the form of Femtropy. There is a new story mode that features these characters.

Grands Prix:

GP #1: It's About Time!

CatBat
Alt. Tawna (Nitro bar unlock)
Shnurgle

GP #2: Impostors Amo-WITH Us.

Fake Coco
Good Cortex
Willy Wumpa Cheeks (Nitro bar unlock)

GP #3: Underwater Adventure

Louise
Rusty Walrus (Nitro unlock)
Sharkbite

GP #4: Pipe Dreams

Mr. Crumb (Nitro unlock)
Pink Elephant
Viscount

GP #5: Ripto's Rage

Ripto (Nitro bar unlock)
Elora
Bianca
Cynder
Enchantress

GP #6: The Big Quarrel

Evil Twins (Nitro unlock)
Good Megamix
Skinny and Fat

GP #7: Call of the Wild

Warthog
The Elementals (Nitro bar unlock)
Bearminator

GP #8: Mind over Mutant

Monster N. Brio (Nitro bar unlock)
Ratcicle
Sludge Salesman
Pyscho Mandrake
Scorporilla

GP #9: Rare Racers

Timber
Pipsy
Wizpig
Taj
Banjo & Kazooie (Nitro bar unlock)

GP #9: By Financial Demand...

Wumpa Fruit
Bumpa Berries
Potion
Crystal
Princess Chick

GP #10: Thanks for Playing!

Pre-emptive character from Crash 5 or 6
Fixed Bearminator
Aku-Aku (nitro bar unlock)
Uka-Uka
Clippy (or a Skylander of choice if the buyout doesn't go through)

Geno Boost · Jul 1, 2023

Console wars fighting game roster

(Nintendo consoles)	(Pocket Pokemon)	(Game & Watch)	(Gadget)	(Wii Balance Board)	(Zapper)	Harry (Teleroboxer) (Virtual Boy)	Matt (Wii)	Laboman (Nintendo Labo)	Diskun (Famicon Disk System)
(SEGA consoles)	Alex Kidd (Sega Master System)	Red (Angry Birds) (Smartphone consoles)	Dreamcast (Sega Hard Girls)	Agumon (Digital Monster)	Don-chan (Taiko Drum)	Mametchi (Tamagotchi)	Clippy (Windows consoles)	Master Cheif (Xbox consoles)	Bonk (PC Engine)
Space Invaders (Earliest consoles)	Gex (3DO)	(Neo Geo)	Crash Bandicoot (Playstation)	Axel Steel (Guitar Controller)	Toro Inou (Pocketstation)	Earthworm Jim (Intellivision Amico)	Snake (Nokia)	Dirk (Laserdisc consoles)	Morshu (CD-i)

darkvortex · Jul 4, 2023

An Injustice 3 roster since NrS have heavily implied its happening after MK1.

Plot: After the events of IJ2, Batman's new Justice League have been protecting the world and things have been fairly peaceful. But things are compacted when Ra's al Ghul and the League of Shadows return, having been silently working in the background the whole time. He has assembled a new Legion of Doom and has used his Lazarus Pit to return old heroes from the dead. Now Batman is forced to call on unlikely allies in order to save the day

Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Flash
Green Lantern
Aquaman
Green Arrow
Black Canary
Supergirl
Shazam
Cyborg
Nightwing
Raven
Starfire
Beast Boy
Lex Luthor
Joker
Harley Quinn
Catwoman
Deathstroke
Talon (Damian Wayne)
Martian Manhunter
Zatanna
John Constantine
Etrigan The Demon
Circe
Mirror Master
Clayface
Star Sapphire
Ra's al Ghul

Pre Order:
King Shark

Pass 1

Booster Gold
Katana
Lobo
Mr. Terrific
Johnny Cage
Invincible

Pass 2

Static
Huntress
Stargirl
Plastic Man
The Mask
Judge Dread

Tekken_Guy · Jul 4, 2023

Sony Entertainment Smash Bros. Roster

1. Spider-Man
2. Miles Morales
3. Venom
4. Peter Venkman
5. Stay Puff Marshmallow Man
6. Daniel LaRusso (teen)
7. Johnny Lawrence (adult)
8. Papa Smurf
9. Smurfette
10. Flint Lockwood
11. Selene
12. Lisbeth Salander
13. Charlie’s Angels
14. Mr. Roarke
15. Mr. Magoo
16. Stuart Little
17. Smolder Bravestone
18. Ruby Roundhouse
19. Van Zant
20. Slappy
21. Teal’c
22. Tallahassee
23. Wichita
24. Drac
25. Mavis
26. Walter White
27. Jesse Pinkman
28. Saul Goodman
29. Huey Freeman
30. Three Stooges
31. John Hancock
32. Billy Butcher
33. Homelander
34. El Mariachi
35. Agent J & Agent K
36. Robert Langdon
37. Jerry Seinfeld
38. Kramer
39. Joel
40. Ellie

BowserKing · Jul 7, 2023

Marvel vs Capcom. The return

Marvel side
1.Spider-Man
2.Green Goblin (new)
3.Venom
4.Iron-Man
5.War Machine
6.Black Widow
7.Hawkeye
8.Wasp (new)
9.Ant-Man (new)
10.Hulk
11.She-Hulk
12.Thor
13.Loki (new)
14.Captain America
15.Black Panther
16.Captain Marvel
17.Gamora
18.Rocket Raccoon
19.Groot (new)
20.Thanos
21.Wolverine
22.Cyclops
23.Storm
24.Scarlet Witch (new)
25.Magneto
26.Deadpool
27.Mr.Fantasic (new)
28.Invisable Woman (new)
29.Human Torch (new)
30.Thing (new)
31.Dr.Doom
32.Super Skrull
33.Nova
34.Ghost Rider
35.Devil Dinosaur (new)
36.Ms.Marvel (new)
37.M.O.D.O.K
38.Mockingbird (new)
39.Winter Soldier
40.Sential

Capcom Side
1.Ryu
2.Ken (new)
3.Chun Li
4.Guile
5.M.Bison
6.Juri (new)
7.Megaman
8.Roll
9.Dr.Wily (new)
10.X
11.Zero
12.Jill
13.Leon
14.Wesker
15.Monster Hunter
16.Rathalos (new)
17.Arthur
18.Firebrand
19.Morrigan
20.Felicia
21.Demetri (new)
22.Lord Raptor
23.Strider Kiryu
24.Amingo
25.Hayato
26.Akuma
27.Hsien-Ko
28.Viewtiful Joe
29.Amaterasu
30.Nathen Spencer
31.Dante
32.Nemesis
33.Phoenix Wright
34.Maya Fey (new)
35.Frank West
36.Sigma
37.Chris
38.Mike Hagger
39.Vergil
40.Poison

DLC
Marvel Side
1.Ultron
2.Star-lord (new)
3.Psylocke
4.Zabu (new)
5.Moon Girl (new)
Capcom Side
1.Zangief
2.Miles Edgeworth (new)
3.Elena (new)
4.Tron Bonne
5.Regina (new)

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jul 7, 2023

Street Fighter VS Capcom

Street Fighter:
1: Ryu
2: Ken
3: Chun-Li
4: M. Bison
5: Dan Hibiki
6: Alex
7: Dudley
8: Elena
9: Rufus
10: Decapre
11: F.A.N.G.
12: Menat
13: Luke
14: JP
15: Kimberly
16: Sagat
17: Guile
18: Akuma
19: Q
20: Crimson Viper

Capcom:
1: Classic Mega Man
2: Zero
3: Tron Bonne
4: Dr. Wily
5: Mike Haggar
6: Jill Valentine
7: Ethan Winters
8: Monster Hunter
9: Phoenix Wright
10: Akira Kazama
11: Sir Arthur
12: Morrigan Aensland
13: Dimitri Maximoff
14: Viewtiful Joe
15: Amaterasu
16: Dante
17: Vergil
18: Strider Hiryu
19: Frank West
20: Edward Falcon

DLC Wave 1: The Missing Links
1: Zangief
2: Splash Woman
3: Poison (Final Fight)
4: Leon S. Kennedy
5: Nathan Spencer

DLC Wave 2: King of Clubs
1: Captain America
2: Wolverine
3: Scrooge McDuck
4: Figment
5: Homer Simpson

The Street Fighter icons vs. the Capcom all-stars, with some Disney characters caught in the crossfire. I await any comments that come my way.

Champion of Hyrule · Jul 8, 2023

You've heard of British Smash Bros - now get ready for Canadian smash bros! Featuring mostly made-in-Canada characters but some Canadian characters from other countries as well. Here's the roster (I'm actually really proud of it...):

Comic Books
1. Wolverine (X-Men)
2. Deadpool (X-Men)
3. Nelvana (Nelvana of the Northern Lights)
TV & Movies
4. Bob & Doug Mackenzie (Strange Brew)
5. Atanarjuat (Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner)
6. Bon Cop/Bad Cop (Bon Cop Bad Cop)
7. Loonette (The Big Comfy Couch)
8. Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys)
Cartoons
9. Dudley Do-Right (The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show)
10. Cyril Sneer (The Raccoons)
11. Ed, Edd 'n Eddy (Ed, Edd, 'n Eddy)
12. Johnny Test (Johnny Test)
Video Games
13. Vaas Montenegro (Far Cry)
14. Madeline (Celeste)
Sports
15. The Raptor (Toronto Raptors)
Boss
16. Original sasquatch character

Terrance and Philip were considered but I figured I already had too many duo fighters and cartoon characters. Also this game would definitely have some mode where Chris McLean would be some kind of host but I didn't want him to be the main announcer because that would make the game's tone weirdly violent.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jul 8, 2023

Champion of Hyrule said:
You've heard of British Smash Bros - now get ready for Canadian smash bros! Featuring mostly made-in-Canada characters but some Canadian characters from other countries as well. Here's the roster (I'm actually really proud of it...):
View attachment 374433
Comic Books
1. Wolverine (X-Men)
2. Deadpool (X-Men)
3. Nelvana (Nelvana of the Northern Lights)
TV & Movies
4. Bob & Doug Mackenzie (Strange Brew)
5. Atanarjuat (Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner)
6. Bon Cop/Bad Cop (Bon Cop Bad Cop)
7. Loonette (The Big Comfy Couch)
8. Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys)
Cartoons
9. Dudley Do-Right (The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show)
10. Cyril Sneer (The Raccoons)
11. Ed, Edd 'n Eddy (Ed, Edd, 'n Eddy)
12. Johnny Test (Johnny Test)
Video Games
13. Vaas Montenegro (Far Cry)
14. Madeline (Celeste)
Sports
15. The Raptor (Toronto Raptors)
Boss
16. Original sasquatch character

Terrance and Philip were considered but I figured I already had too many duo fighters and cartoon characters. Also this game would definitely have some mode where Chris McLean would be some kind of host but I didn't want him to be the main announcer because that would make the game's tone weirdly violent.

As an animation fan, seeing the comic book heroine that inspired Michael Hirsh in the 70s in this roster makes me smile.

However, I would main Deadpool, Bob & Doug, Loonette, Dudley Do-Right, the Eds, and Madeline. I do appreciate the variety of Canadian spirit here.

But to be honest, while I can do without Terrence and Philip as fighters, I'd argue most of these fighters are used to the level of violence that Chris McLean deals in. I'd even say that Deadpool would THRIVE in the Total Drama universe.

Champion of Hyrule · Jul 8, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
As an animation fan, seeing the comic book heroine that inspired Michael Hirsh in the 70s in this roster makes me smile.

However, I would main Deadpool, Bob & Doug, Loonette, Dudley Do-Right, the Eds, and Madeline. I do appreciate the variety of Canadian spirit here.

But to be honest, while I can do without Terrence and Philip as fighters, I'd argue most of these fighters are used to the level of violence that Chris McLean deals in. I'd even say that Deadpool would THRIVE in the Total Drama universe.

Thanks! As for the Chris McLean thing I mostly meant that you can’t really properly show his character in a thing like this without him encouraging everyone to absolutely brutalize each other, and to have jokes where he plays up the violent aspect of this game. While those would be funny, if he was the main default announcer it would probably distract from the tone of the game and honestly make it seem a lot more dark than a light, fun platform fighter should be.

I definitely like him interacting with your Deadpool or Wolverine’s though. I would probably have his mode be an obstacle course or something based on something you’d see in Total Drama.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jul 8, 2023

Champion of Hyrule said:
Thanks! As for the Chris McLean thing I mostly meant that you can’t really properly show his character in a thing like this without him encouraging everyone to absolutely brutalize each other, and to have jokes where he plays up the violent aspect of this game. While those would be funny, if he was the main default announcer it would probably distract from the tone of the game and honestly make it seem a lot more dark than a light, fun platform fighter should be.

I definitely like him interacting with your Deadpool or Wolverine’s though. I would probably have his mode be an obstacle course or something based on something you’d see in Total Drama.

Come to think of it, a Total Drama mode would be the best way to incorporate the show in a game like this.

HyperSomari64 · Jul 8, 2023

Champion of Hyrule said:
You've heard of British Smash Bros - now get ready for Canadian smash bros! Featuring mostly made-in-Canada characters but some Canadian characters from other countries as well. Here's the roster (I'm actually really proud of it...):
View attachment 374433
Comic Books
1. Wolverine (X-Men)
2. Deadpool (X-Men)
3. Nelvana (Nelvana of the Northern Lights)
TV & Movies
4. Bob & Doug Mackenzie (Strange Brew)
5. Atanarjuat (Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner)
6. Bon Cop/Bad Cop (Bon Cop Bad Cop)
7. Loonette (The Big Comfy Couch)
8. Bubbles (Trailer Park Boys)
Cartoons
9. Dudley Do-Right (The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show)
10. Cyril Sneer (The Raccoons)
11. Ed, Edd 'n Eddy (Ed, Edd, 'n Eddy)
12. Johnny Test (Johnny Test)
Video Games
13. Vaas Montenegro (Far Cry)
14. Madeline (Celeste)
Sports
15. The Raptor (Toronto Raptors)
Boss
16. Original sasquatch character

Terrance and Philip were considered but I figured I already had too many duo fighters and cartoon characters. Also this game would definitely have some mode where Chris McLean would be some kind of host but I didn't want him to be the main announcer because that would make the game's tone weirdly violent.

>No Ruby Gillman
-10/100

Tankman from Newgrounds · Jul 8, 2023

Maybe I'll remake a Polish smash bros. roster after seeing British and Canadian smash bros rosters....

(I'm allowing only characters that were made in Poland or they are fictional characters originating from Poland in their universes)

The roster:
Literature:
1. Geralt of Rivia
2. Dr. Kris Kelvin (Solaris)
3. Pan Kleks (Mr. Inkblot)
4. Tadeusz Soplica
5. Don Pedro (Baltazar Sponge) (I wanted a villain-over-protag pick)
6. Józio Kowalski (Ferdydurke)
(Yes, Poland is known for it's literature)

Movies:
1. Ryszard Ochódzki (Bear)
2. Jerzy Kiler (Kiler)
3. Kazimierz & Władysław (Sami Swoi/Our folks)
4. Ernst Stavro (James Bond) (Another villain)

Comics:
1. Kajko & Kokosz
2. Golem (Marvel) (Dennis Golembuski)
3. Jeż Jerzy (George the Hedgehog)
4. Captain Żbik
5. Tytus, Romek & Atomek (Stance fighter)
6. Polandball (It's based on Poland)

Cartoons:
1. Bolek and Lolek
2. Reksio
3. Koziołek Matołek
4. Czesio (Włatcy móch)

TV shows:
1. Andrzej Bielawski (the americans)
2. Ferdek Kiepski
3. Darek Jankowski (39 & half)
4. Thomas Banacek (Banacek)

Video games:
1. Lidia Sobieska (TEKKEN)
2. Billy (Call of Juarez)
3. Kyle Crane (Dying light)
4. Kao the Kangaroo

Others:
1. Sir Twardowski (Folklore)
2. White Eagle (Coat of arms)
3. Heart and Brain/Serce i Rozum (Orange commercials) (Duo fighters a la ice Climbers)
4. Wojak (Meme/Internet) (Mii fighter of the game)

Boss: Wawel Dragon (It takes place in Wawel Castle)

(Alright, it was kinda hard to find characters for the roster, but at least I don't think it would be that bad)

KneeOfJustice99 · Jul 8, 2023

So, I've been thinking about doing this for some time, but the thing is - I've kind of been on the fence because I've not really wanted to end up screwing this up. A Marvel vs. Capcom roster in 2023 is in a comparatively interesting spot compared to Infinite - what with the rights to the Fantastic Four and the X-Men now being in Disney's hands. That said, the series also has a lot of good will that it needs to claw back, which is why I'm suggesting a roster of 50 characters - matching that of Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. It's a lot, but I think it's at least possible. I might consider doing some seasons of DLC on top of that - but not right now.

However, I've given myself some strict limitations. On the Marvel side, all characters included have to be in some way promotion for the MCU, or one of Marvel's upcoming projects - though they don't necessarily have to be the headlining character from the media. In addition, characters who are more prominent in the fourth or fifth phases of the MCU will be given preferential treatment over characters from earlier. On both sides, an important aspect is a variety of movesets and characters, as well as decent representation between genders, races, and so forth.

Also, I have a basic concept for the game's story mode - though little more than that. Kang, in an attempt to destroy the Avengers, attempts to travel into the near future and arrives in a timeline where many of the Avengers were defeated during the events of Infinite and the two worlds of Marvel and Capcom are still fused. However, due to this, a new generation of heroes has risen to take on the threat that Kang would otherwise pose. Deciding to join forces with Dr. Wily, the pair attempt to take the world for themselves once and for all - even in spite of issues with other villains like Magneto and Gill having their own vested interests to consider.

That all being said... let's take a look!

Returning characters from previous Marvel vs. Capcom games are indicated in yellow.
Characters new to the Marvel vs. Capcom series are indicated in green.
New versions of returning characters to the Marvel vs. Capcom series are indicated in blue.
Secret characters (which can be unlocked via inputting a special series of commands on the character select screen) are indicated in red.

Captain America. The variation of Cap that I'm including here is his Sam Wilson look, seen in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier as well as the upcoming Captain America: New World Order, though this version of Cap has existed in the comics since 2014. His moveset giving him various aerial options as well as more traditional shield-based attacks would be a nice change of pace for the series, and I think this makes a lot of sense overall.
Wolverine. Technically promoting the upcoming X-Men '97 series, Wolverine was an obvious inclusion that a lot of people felt was a terrible exclusion from the original game. Given he's already appeared in a lot of the series, I imagine he'd play somewhat similarly to his typical interpretations.
Spider-Man. Though, similarly to Cap, I'm going with the Miles Morales interpretation so as to promote the Spider-Verse series, as well as the upcoming game Spider-Man 2. Unlike your more traditional Spidey, Miles has a couple of moves with his electrically-based abilities, and his dodges may have him use his invisibility as a nice visual cue. That said, your traditional Peter Parker version of the character would be a "deluxe" costume for him.
Captain Marvel. Given she's effectively one of the MCU's most prominent characters by now, and a headlining inclusion in Infinite, Captain Marvel only made sense to include overall. Not much to add here.
Thor. Specifically her Jane Foster appearance, in reference to Thor: Love and Thunder, as well as being another prominent comic pick that I felt would be fun. A Thor of some description felt like an obvious choice of some kind, and I felt Jane would be a nice change of pace compared to our traditional Thor Odinson pick.
War Machine. The question immediately on people's mind looking at this roster is probably, "Where's Iron Man?" I felt that this decision actually makes sense for a few reasons. Firstly, MCU Iron Man (or, well, Tony Stark) is dead. He might not be dead in the comics, but he's dead in the movies, and Disney like to have a degree of brand synergy going on. We don't yet know enough about Ironheart's "default" MCU look to really warrant her inclusion, and I feel like fans would dislike her getting in over both Tony and Rhodey. Plus, back in the first Marvel vs. Capcom, War Machine was included over Iron Man all the way back then. This is probably one of my most controversial takes with this roster, but I think it's a logical and still fun conclusion.
Ms. Marvel. Admittedly this one was a little more difficult overall - mostly because the MCU version of the character has those strange energy-based powers. However... I like to hope that they'd let us use Ms. Marvel's classic powerset of elasticity and the like. I really hope they would, at least. It also helps that Kamala's a prominent character in the future of the MCU overall, too.
Hawkeye. Specifically in her Kate Bishop appearance, I felt a Hawkeye would be a fun inclusion who - despite obviously representing the Hawkeye Disney+ series - could still have an unusual moveset with a mix of zoning tools and close-up combat. The use of things like trick arrows as well makes it all the more interesting, in my mind, and allows for plenty of potential for something fun and fresh.
Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange is another pretty obvious, but still solid, inclusion. I considered a few different magically-aligned characters (some of which you'll see later!) but I felt like Strange himself would still be a lot of fun to include overall, even if his moveset is likely going to have to be based moreso on the MCU's version of the character.
Storm. Our second X-Men character, I originally considered replacing her with Cyclops due to Thor also having electrically-based abilities - but Storm feels like she'd be a lot of fun in his place given her ability to control the weather. Again, her default look is based on the X-Men '97 appearance, though she'll also have other alts.
Rocket Raccoon & Groot. A combined character in a similar vein to Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, Rocket & Groot would combine mid-range trapping and keep-away tools from Groot with long-range zoning and trapping tools with Rocket. I felt it'd be necessary to include at least one Guardians character, and whilst I did consider either Star-Lord or Gamora for the role (or even Adam Warlock), I felt Rocket and Groot would be the most iconic pair to bring into here.
Wasp. It's kind of surprising to me that we've never seen Ant-Man, the Wasp, or even other characters from that area of the Marvel universe, within a Marvel vs. Capcom game. That said, I felt like the Wasp would be a more interesting inclusion than Ant-Man given she also has his shrinking abilities, though also has access to her stingers and the ability to fly - making her a solid candidate for a glass cannon rushdown character.
Thing. Our representative for the Fantastic Four considering the upcoming film, I genuinely considered all four - but I felt the Thing would be the most iconic of the bunch (shoutout to the Human Torch, though!) Lowkey, I'm kind of surprised that none of the FF have ever been in a Marvel vs. Capcom game before (unless you count Super-Skrull?), so he'd be a popular pick for fans. Thing's moveset is pretty much our stand-in for the traditional Hulk kit - who I've elected to replace with...
She-Hulk. Including her over the more traditional Hulk might seem like a very weird choice, but I think it's almost logical for Marvel to want us to do this. Considering the issues with the Hulk's film rights being owned by Universal, plus the fact that the She-Hulk Disney+ series exists, it makes sense for them to ask for her to be included over her cousin. That said, I still think she'd have plenty of moveset potential.
Moon Knight. Another character mostly included due to the presence of a Disney+ series, Moon Knight is also a character who I think a lot of people would genuinely quite like to see. Not much to say on him, admittedly.
Blade. And yet another brand new character to the MvC series! Blade's got an upcoming film of his own, but I'd like to have his overall vibe here inspired at least in part by the Wesley Snipes films, especially with a variety of weapons from those films as well as the books. He's been a decently popular character that a lot of people would like to see, and he also doesn't have a problem with being in daylight (which other vampiric characters may have had.)
Jubilee. Another X-Men member, but this one being a bit more of a wild-card and a more direct opportunity to represent X-Men '97, Jubilee is a decently popular and more recent character who I felt would be a cool new character to bring in. I originally penned Gambit in her place, but she works well to represent the whole "new generation" thing I had going on with this roster overall!
Howard the Duck. I'd say he's probably my "wild-card" pick for the Marvel roster, but regardless, he's had a couple of appearances within the MCU and is a decently popular, if strange, character that a lot of people would find to be a fun, if odd, inclusion. As for exactly how he'd work, I think he'd use a combination of Quack-Fu - and perhaps he could bring in the Iron Duck armor for super moves.
Scarlet Witch. So, I felt like she'd be another obvious "mage-like" pick that felt like a reasonable choice. Whether you wanted to make her a hero or a villain in the story mode - that's up to you! That said, either way, she'd still be able to have a massively fun and unique moveset all of her own.
Man-Thing. Another wild-card pick in my mind, Man-Thing is picked mostly as a more obscure pick overall - but I felt that he'd be very interesting regardless. Helpfully, he's also appeared in the Werewolf by Night special presentation. In terms of his moveset, I like to imagine his main gimmick would be that his touch burns people, so he can act as a decent grappler.
Kang the Conqueror. The main villain of this game, alongside Wily. I think Kang's inclusion makes a lot of sense given that he's the main villain of the MCU's Multiverse Saga, though we could totally do something unique with him here too. I'll talk about the story ideas later on.
Magneto. Our fourth X-Men-adjescent character, Magneto is a solid olive-branch to the previous fans of the series that may have been lost due to Infinite - partially due to a very unfortunate quote that I'm sure you all remember. That said, he'd also spring to mind as a potentially interesting story character overall.
Loki. Another newcomer, surprisingly enough! Again, his MCU relevance is the key reason as to why he's here, but I also felt he'd have a lot of unique moveset potential what with his magical abilities and his general vibe of trickery and whatnot.
Green Goblin. I wanted at least one iconic Spidey villain here, and even though Venom is the traditional choice that people would go with, Green Goblin finally getting a chance to shine makes a lot of sense to me - especially following Spider-Man: No Way Home.
The Captain. Our secret character on the Marvel side, The Captain is our more traditional "Steve Rogers" inclusion who I felt would make a lot of sense as an interesting secret pick. I originally planned on making this Nomad or U.S. Agent, but including Steve Rogers in an older form would make him a great rival to Ryu, and I could easily justify costumes based on other Steve Rogers looks.

Returning characters from previous Marvel vs. Capcom games are indicated in yellow.
Characters new to the Marvel vs. Capcom series are indicated in green.
New versions of returning characters to the Marvel vs. Capcom series are indicated in blue.
Secret characters (which can be unlocked via inputting a special series of commands on the character select screen) are indicated in red.

Ryu. Ryu's appearance is, uniquely, based on his most modern look here - that being his older appearance from Street Fighter V and Street Fighter 6. Whilst his moveset is as dependable as ever, my thought process for him is that he's effectively passing on the torch to his younger student...
Sakura. If I wanted to go for a "New Generation" theming, I was either going to include her or someone from Street Fighter III, and as much as I love Alex, I feel like Sakura would be a more fun and well-recieved pick. Yes, she's technically replacing Chun-Li - but this would be a good opportunity to really let her shine on her own merits, plus she's a returning character from the older parts of the series.
Juri. Juri, on the other hand, is our archetypical "new SF" rep. I actually had a lot of characters penned for this role, and Juri was one of the last characters I decided on. For context, characters like Crimson Viper, Rashid, Kolin, Kimberly, Marisa, and of course Luke were all considered here - but Juri's had a degree of longevity that I think really can't be counted out, plus her moveset is pretty cool and it's actually a little surprising that we haven't seen her here yet.
Ada Wong. I wanted to include at least one Resident Evil protagonist here, but here's the problem - I didn't want it to just be Jill Valentine again, and whilst Leon Kennedy would undeniably be cool, I didn't just want our main rep for the series to be "guy with weapons". Ada was eventually picked because she's been a continual presence within the series, is a fan-favourite character that'd be a little unexpected, and also because she feels like she'd make a great rival for Hawkeye given her weapon of choice is typically a crossbow.
Felyne. The Monster Hunter series made a lot of sense to represent here too, but I felt that including Monster Hunter themselves might seem a little lazy - so instead, Felyne is here! Felynes are effectively the series' main icon, in a similar role to something like the Slime from Dragon Quest, and whilst they're not often playable - they have appeared in every game in the series, so it'd be nice to finally play as them in a game like this!
Poison. I genuinely considered having Haggar right back here, but the problem is that I really wanted to lean into the "New Generation" theming. Whilst other Final Fight picks like Cody, Guy or Maki were considered (or even some more unusual picks like Rolento or Sodom), I eventually went with Poison given she's a pretty iconic rep for the series who we haven't seen in a game like this before.
Zero. This time around, he's based on his Mega Man Zero appearance. In terms of promotion, we could argue it's for the Mega Man Zero/ZX Legacy Collection, but also because I think it'd be a nice change of pace considering we've only seen Zero in his MMZ design in SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos in terms of VS. series representation. Fighting with a wide variety of his different weapons from the series would make him pretty fresh, too!
MegaMan.EXE. Similarly to Zero, whilst we've seen a few Mega Men within the VS. series (specifically his classic look, Volnutt and X), EXE hasn't yet had his chance to shine in these games - so it makes a lot of sense to give him his shot what with the Battle Network Legacy Collection still being reasonably recent.
Nero. Possibly my most controversial take of the Capcom side of the roster (though I'll admit I have a few!), Nero's here as our Devil May Cry rep... yes, over Dante. Given the "New Generation" theming, Nero fits into it really well - plus, it'd be nice to see a newcomer from the DMC series make his mark on this game too.
Strider Hiryu. An iconic character for the series, Strider made a lot of sense to include here too. I'd suggest that his design should take elements from the 2014 Strider as well as his classic look, but honestly, he always manages to look incredibly cool in these games either way.
Franziska von Karma. Probably something of a wild-card for the Capcom side, von Karma's inclusion was due to a lingering thought in the back of my mind whilst making this roster - namely, the problem of Ace Attorney. Initially, I had either Apollo Justice or Ryunosuke Naruhodo in mind for this (the former being an obvious "New Generation" pick and the latter being a solid time-travel choice), but neither of them sprung out as bringing something particularly unique to the table compared to Phoenix himself - Apollo would be a semi-clone at best, and Ryunosuke's sword could make him a little different, but we already have a few sword users. Von Karma, on the other hand, has her whip - and I think she'd be unique because of it.
Donovan. Our "central protagonist" for the Darkstalkers series, I ended up including him over more iconic picks like Felicia (who I'll get to!), Hsien-Ko or Morrigan mostly because he's... actually, like, a main protagonist of the series, but has never actually appeared in the Marvel vs. Capcom series in spite of that. He's got plenty of moveset potential, and honestly, I think he'd just be a lot of fun.
Baby Bonnie Hood. A more obscure pull, I felt Baby Bonnie Hood - a hunter of Darkstalkers - would be a lot of fun to include in a game where we already have characters like Blade and Moon Knight for her to go up against. She's also appeared in SNK Vs. Capcom: The Match of the Millenium on the NEOGEO Pocket Color, which is... something? More iconic picks like Hsien-Ko, Jon Talbain, Dmitri, Pyron or even Rikuo were considered in her place, but I felt she'd be a lot of fun to bring in.
Amaterasu. Admittedly, I had Amaterasu penned into this game from the start. Ōkami is, after all, a fan-favourite cult classic that a lot of people enjoyed, and I think that Amaterasu's playstyle and design also lend pretty well to a game like this!
Natsu Ayahara. Our representative for the Rival Schools series, I had a few characters penned for this role - Batsu being the obvious one given he's arguably the main protagonist, but also Showa, Akira and even Daigo - but Natsu's use of volleyball as her central "gimmick" felt like it'd make her a really unique and interesting character to actually include. Shoutout to Power Stone, by the way, which came close to nabbing this roster spot for itself!
Tessa. One of the four playable characters from the unique RPG-inspired fighting game Red Earth, Tessa's been seen in a couple of crossovers such as SNK Vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos and Super Gem Fighter, and her nature as a wizard mage would make her pretty unique (plus, people seem to really like her moveset!) I came close to including Leo or even Hydron here in her place, but Tessa was a logical, if unusual, cut.
Yellow Iris. Arguably a wild-card pick for the Capcom side, Yellow Iris is one of the five playable bounty hunters from the obscure beat-em-up Battle Circuit. Her cat-like nature lends well to a moveset that could be inspired by previous characters like Black Panther or Felicia (and a Felicia costume would be really cool too!), but her nature as a deeper cut also lends pretty well to her being unique amongst the roster overall.
Nina. Specifically from Breath of Fire III due to it being generally the best-recieved in the series, Nina's another magically-inclined character - this time one with wings! I'd also imagine she can bring in Ryu for certain specials, perhaps with him transforming into a dragon - but overall, she'd be fun either way. Also, she should totally have a Michelle Heart costume.
Viewtiful Joe. Hey, it only made sense to include a superhero on the Capcom side too. Joe's a character that was well-recieved within Marvel vs. Capcom 3, and bringing him back after his Infinite hiatus only felt right to me.
Firebrand/Red Arremer. Another returning character, this time a representative of both the Ghosts 'n Goblins and Gargoyle's Quest series, I'd like to base Firebrand's design this time around more on Demon's Crest. I considered including a central Ghosts 'n Goblins antagonist like Astaroth, but Firebrand made a lot of sense to bring back as a returning figure.
Dr. Wily. The central antagonist of the Capcom side working in league with Kang, I felt it was high time for Dr. Wily to finally get his time to shine in a Marvel vs. Capcom game in more than a simple cameo role. Wily's moveset would centre around him being in one of his Wily Machines, presumably a version with a wide variety of different abilities and transformations based on previous machines and such. Also, it'd be incredibly cool for his Level 3 Super to be an install that allows him to enter his alien form from the end of Mega Man 2.
Gill. Our antagonist from the Street Fighter series. I had a few characters in this role at first - M. Bison was the obvious candidate, but I felt like he was kind of overdone. JP might be a bit too recent, and characters like Seth and Necalli haven't been too well-recieved. Gill also represents the whole "New Generation" thing, and I think he'd be a solid enemy for Cap to go up against considering they both have connections to clandestine international organisations.
Licker. I wanted to include an enemy or antagonist from the Resident Evil series here too, but the problem was that argubly the most iconic main antagonists - Wesker and Nemesis - have already been done. As much as I did consider including them again, I felt that it might be fun to go with a wild card - so Licker was picked instead! Licker actually does spring out to me as one of the more well-known monsters from the series considering the infamous jumpscare it's involved in, and its smaller, more bestial form feels like it'd be a nice change of pace for our villainous picks.
Princess Devilotte. Another all-new villain? Devilotte is one of the antagonists from Cyberbots: Full Metal Madness, and is a princess who likes to steal other people's mechs to display them. Whilst she's appeared in Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo, she's also been an assist in the original Marvel vs. Capcom! I think her moveset has potential too, considering she's almost always accompanied by her lackeys Dave and Xavier.
Akuma. Another iconic returning character, and a pretty obvious "secret" one, all things considered. I mean, it's effectively tradition for Akuma to be a secret character by this point, right? He plays just as you'd expect.

In addition to the characters we've already added, some characters can also be included as effectively clones of their originals - albeit with new models and voicelines that still allow them to use the original as a base. Some of these might bring back famous characters you know and love, others might bring wholly new picks you've not seen before! Each side has five of them, and they can appear in the game's story mode as unique characters. My thought process here was that, with there being some notable omissions (and some potential for deeper cuts), this made sense as a kind of stopgap for that sort of thing.

Falcon. This one over Captain America, it replaces Sam's costume and design with one based on his Falcon looks - both in the MCU and in the comics - whilst giving the shield a new look that'd match these. This honestly kind of just felt like a natural inclusion overall.
Spider-Man (Peter Parker). I'd need to include him somewhere, and this felt like it'd make a lot more sense to me overall. Whilst he'd still have Miles' electric attacks and whatnot, Peter's inclusion was just kind of obvious.
Ironheart. She's here over War Machine, and whilst I didn't think she'd make sense as a base-roster inclusion, her inclusion as a bonus character seems fair enough in my mind. Admittedly, her suit would be bulkier than her comic appearance - more akin to how it looks in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - but that seems fair enough to me.
Hulk. This time over the Thing, Hulk's inclusion was a pretty obvious one in my mind. He'd have a few changes, of course - most prominently that his super moves wouldn't include the other members of the Fantastic Four - but he makes a lot of sense to include in a role like this.
Iron Lad. This one being over Kang the Conqueror, I felt a more comic-centric inclusion would be a lot of fun - plus, Iron Lad's role as a younger Kang seemed to me like it'd lend to him being pretty fun to include for more story drama.

Ken. Going over Ryu, Ken's inclusion should be pretty obvious at this point. Were you really expecting anything else?
Lady. This one's over Baby Bonnie Hood, and she honestly felt like a pretty solid character to include as a second Devil May Cry rep. Even if they do have their differences, I'd like to imagine this would be pretty fun overall.
Rush. Perhaps my most surprising pull, I reckon Rush going over Amaterasu would be a pretty interesting choice - my thought process being that voicelines would be done by Eddie, who'd fly in in order to speak on Rush's behalf whilst he just barks like a good boy.
Felicia. Going over Yellow Iris, Felicia's moveset would obviously be pretty different this time around - but I think she's still a prominent Darkstalker to include amongst the roster, so it made sense to me to bring her in here.
Michelle Heart. Replacing Nina, Michelle was the protagonist of the 1987 game Legendary Wings - so she's a deeper cut, admittedly, but I think she's still pretty solid and logical.

It only makes sense to bring this classic concept back - characters will have a rival that they can go up against in Arcade Mode who'll have unique interactions with them. Rivalries are between companies (so no rivals will be from the same side), but can be for all sorts of reasons! Note that our Bonus Characters don't have their own unique rivals - it's determined by their base characters.

Marvel	Capcom	Reasoning?
Captain America	Gill	Captain America going up against a character leading an evil, secretive global organisation? It practically writes itself!
Wolverine	Donovan	Both Wolverine and Donovan have difficulty controlling their rage and use martial arts of some kind in order to do so, plus have some affinity with the more magical side of their worlds.
Spider-Man	Natsu	Both of these characters are school-age, plus I can imagine them getting along pretty well due to a shared love of sports given that Miles plays basketball from time to time.
Captain Marvel	Akuma	Looking for the strongest person he can find, Akuma ends up tracking down Captain Marvel. This kind of just feels right to me, somehow.
Thor	Amaterasu	Both Thor and Amaterasu are gods, of some description, so it felt like a pretty obvious pairing!
War Machine	Devilotte	Devilotte's whole thing is trying to steal people's mechs and such, so it'd be pretty funny if she were trying to steal the War Machine armour too.
Ms. Marvel	MegaMan.EXE	This might sound kind of weird, but it'd be pretty fun to have Ms. Marvel accidentally be responsible for MegaMan even being here. Maybe she downloaded him onto her phone by accident.
Hawkeye	Ada Wong	As weird of a connection as this is, Ada and Hawkeye both fight using a bow, so I can imagine this leading to a fun interaction between the two.
Doctor Strange	Tessa	This almost completely boils down to being a battle between wizard/mage characters.
Storm	Firebrand/Red Arremer	Storm is seen as a weather goddess, whereas Firebrand/Red Arremer is literally a demon that breathes fire.
Rocket Raccoon & Groot	Yellow Iris	Yellow Iris and Groot are both aliens, and Rocket's space-themed regardless. (Plus, he's technically from Counter-Earth, so I guess he counts too.)
Wasp	Zero	Considering that most Mavericks in the X series are animal-themed, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine Zero mistaking Wasp for a Maverick of some description (perhaps similar to Commander Yammark?)
Thing	Dr. Wily	The Thing (a member of the Fantastic Four) going up against an evil doctor known for his use of robots? It's not perfect, but it fits pretty well!
She-Hulk	Poison	In search of fresh faces for her wrestling team, Poison going up against She-Hulk seemed like a logical conclusion.
Moon Knight	Strider Hiryu	This just kind of feels right to me. Both of these characters are, like, ninja-esque but just distant enough from ninjas to not really fit the bill.
Blade	Baby Bonnie Hood	Both B.B. Hood and Blade are hunters of monsters, so it kind of makes sense that they'd clash due to their ideals.
Jubilee	Sakura	Both Jubilee and Sakura are younger female characters that look up to an older male character (Wolverine and Ryu) whilst forming their own path in life. They seem like a really good fit for each other.
Howard the Duck	Franziska von Karma	Whilst both of these characters seem like comic relief, I think the interaction of von Karma attempting to sue Howard for something would be pretty funny. Von Karma nearly ended up going up against She-Hulk, though.
Scarlet Witch	Nina	Again, a battle between mages. That said, I think Nina's more angelic look compared to Wanda's chaos magic would work for a "heaven vs. hell" theme too.
Man-Thing	Felyne	I think it makes a lot of sense that Felyne would mistake Man-Thing for a monster of some kind.
Kang the Conqueror	Viewtiful Joe	Ironically enough, both of these characters have time-related abilities - plus, it makes a lot of sense for Joe (a superhero) to go up against Kang (a supervillain).
Magneto	Juri	Juri has spent her whole life being controlled by agencies such as S.I.N, so it makes sense that she'd see a villain like Magneto and want to take him down in spite of his differing motivations compared to, say, M. Bison.
Loki	Licker	An attempt to take over Asgard goes wrong, and Loki accidentally brings forth a Licker instead. He's then left to deal with the fallout on his own. Also, the Licker being famous due to a jumpscare fits well with Loki's themes of trickery and deception.
Green Goblin	Nero	I honestly just think it'd be really funny for Nero to mistake Green Goblin (an actual person) for a demon of some kind, and insist that he needs to kill him because of it.
The Captain	Ryu	This effectively acts as a reference to the iconic Marvel vs. Capcom intro of the pair shaking hands, though this time, they're both a lot older and a lot different!

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Sonic
Tails
Knuckles
Dr. Eggman
Big the Cat
Shadow
Flickies
Angry Birds
Bad Piggies
Alex Kidd
Janken the Great
Kiryu
Arle Nadja and Carbunkle
Satan
Witch
Suketoudara
Ryo Hazuki
AiAi
Baby
Beat
Gum
Vyse
Aika
Opa Opa
B.D. Joe
Axel (Crazy Taxi)
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Reala
ChuChu Pilots
Zobio and Zobiko
Football Manager
Jacky and Akira
Gilius Thunderhead
Bonanza Bros.
Alis Landale
Dark Falz
F-14 Tomcat
Hornet
Amigo
Ulala
Pepperouchau
Papri and her boyfriend
Ristar
Dynamite Headdy
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