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KneeOfJustice99 · Jun 14, 2023

I feel like this concept is going to make some people actually break down, but I've had it rattling in my head for a short while and thought I should give it a shot, specifically: what if in 2011, shortly before moving development from the DS to the 3DS, SEGA greenlit a small-scale project in the form of a platfighter on the platform, though on the condition that it mostly reuses assets in order to save on development time and essentially be a last-minute release for the platform's twilight years? Well... here's my thoughts! (Warning: the roster I'm proposing isn't good. It's moreso feasible.)

Couple of notes before I started: yes, this would be somewhat of a rushed game, but I didn't want to fill it with clone characters. SEGA Superstars Tennis could reasonably have given me Pudding, Gum, MeeMee and Reala to work with on that front, but I felt like it'd be a bit lazy to just fill it with clones. That said, certain characters will share certain elements - for instance, characters like Sonic, Knuckles and Shadow, or Jacky and Ryo, could feasibly share skeletons albeit with different moves. Let's get into it!

Sonic is a pretty obvious inclusion here, who we could do quite a lot with. I'm personally imagining that his interpretation here would be primarily based on the Rush titles as well as hints from the Advance series, maintaining his fast pace and probably featuring a Boost special or something. He's got a few models to pull from, so that shouldn't be too bad. He, Knuckles and Shadow could reasonably share skeletons.
Knuckles is another fairly obvious inclusion, though I'll admit Tails nearly took his place. The main reason I ended up going with Knux is because a lot of his moves would be easier for people to propose and imagine, whereas Tails might have a slightly more complicated skeleton due to his tails, as well as a slightly more complex moveset. He plays here as you'd expect - a couple of elements from Adventure or Advance for flair.
AiAi is here too! My thought process is that he's not always in his ball, though - you'll notice that characters with a central "gimmick" like this will often be simplified in this roster to make programming easier. That said, I reckon his ball would be a special or something of the like. AiAi's a mobile character with pretty low-powered attacks, but he's deceptively fast and fits squarely into rushdown territory.
Billy Hatcher is also here. Yay. (Guilliame L'Eclosion fans will be screaming in joy.) Unfortunately, he's in a similar boat to AiAi in that his central "gimmick" (in his case his giant eggs) will probably be limited to special moves. Billy's probably a bit slower-paced than Sonic but shares a few similarities overall, though. He could probably share a skeleton with Alex Kidd too, if needed.
Ulala is someone a bit fresh, using a humanoid skeleton that's going to be shared by NiGHTS down the road. (No, seriously.) I think her moves mostly being just dance animations could work well, a little like a more fluid Wii Fit Trainer in that sense, though she could just as easily use more traditional punches and kicks and the like.
Jacky Bryant is mostly picked in this case due to (from what I can find, at least) a lack of a DS model for Akira, so he'll have to do as our Virtua Fighter rep. He'd bring over a few of his more iconic attacks from the game, and could probably share a skeleton with Ryo, Beat, or possibly even Kai.
NiGHTS has their model pulled from SEGA Superstars Tennis for this game, and similarly to AiAi and Billy, their "gimmick" (being free flight) is mostly limited to animations and specials and the like. NiGHTS is an aerially-adept and surprisingly quick character, though works best to set up comboes whilst not necessarily being good at defence, making them a loosely defined glass cannon of sorts.
Beat is our last default character, who in this case could work in a few unique ways but inevitably would probably feel pretty generic here. Whilst his animations should look somewhat stylish with different tricks and the like, he'll be mostly kick-focused, and probably uses his spray cans as a special or something of the like.
Shadow is our first unlockable character, picked mostly because of his continued popularity at the time and the fact that he's fairly easy to rig up since we already have Sonic's skeleton to work with. That's not to say he's a Sonic clone by any means - he'd be moreso based on his Adventure and Battle appearances overall - but the pair would have similarities.
Amigo is another rhythm-based character, though I think he'd be a lot of fun as more of an unga-bunga character who gets up close and beats you down with his maracas as opposed to taking more direct inspiration from his rhythm-game roots (making him more unique from Ulala in the process.) That said, it'd still be nice for him to have plenty of dancey animations here and there as a nod to his origins.
Dr. Eggman is our second unlockable character and the last from the Sonic series, though in this case, he's unique in that we'd have him actually fighting on foot and using a few different gadgets to make him a zoner/trapper. The reason for this is mostly because it'd be easier to use his skeleton from SEGA Superstars Tennis, and we could always justify him creating a new piece of technology to fight with like the four-armed backpack thing from Tennis.
Ryo Hazuki is here from the Shenmue series, though interestingly, whilst he's got a lot of his own more iconic moves from his games, he'd end up being a bit of a semi-clone of Jacky on a basic level (even though they'd obviously differ in a wide variety of ways.) He's got good damage output with his martial arts, though he's a little slower than some of the others here.
Alex Kidd felt like a natural inclusion who could use the scrimbloey skeleton of characters like Amigo or Billy to his advantage, though in his case, his fists and feet would grow when attacking to give him just a little extra reach. I'm not 100% sure if his various vehicles would be feasible to include here, but the Petacopter would honestly be a fun little thing to see.
Gilius Thunderhead is fairly unique here, and we'd end up having to use his Tennis model with his racket replaced with his classic axe. I reckon there'd be a couple of moves that directly call back to Golden Axe, but a few of them would end up taking creative liberties too. Come to think of it, it might not be such a bad idea to steal some animations from Phantasy Star Zero. Speaking of...
Kai is a bit weird here in that he's not featured in a SEGA crossover before, but being a prominent character from the ambitious DS title Phantasy Star Zero and a representative of that series (which we've also still not yet had in an "All-Stars" game), he felt like a fun inclusion. He'd fight with his sword, obviously, and maybe some of his specials could have him use different Techniques such as Zonde or Anti.

The reason for the majority of cuts in this case pretty much boils down to one of two: either the character wasn't quite interesting or important enough to warrant inclusion compared to another candidate (Tails, Amy, the Bonanza Bros and the various clone characters fit in here), or that their moveset would have been pretty complicated to actually make in such a short time and their unique nature would make them more time-consuming to include (such as with Chuih and Opa-Opa, two characters I really would love to see here but couldn't reasonably justify due to their unique skeletons and attacks.)

If I were to have allowed clones, I'd have added Amy (who'd be a semi-clone of Sonic, albeit slower and with the Piko-Piko Hammer filling some of her attacks, mostly with animations stolen from Phantasy Star Zero), Gum (who would be a clone of Beat with a very similar moveset, albeit faster, lighter, and slightly weaker), Pudding (who'd have again a very similar moveset to Ulala though this time around she'd be heavier and deal more damage), Reala (who'd essentially be the Akuma to NiGHTS's Ryu, dealing very high damage but having abysmal defence because of it) and MeeMee (who would be similar to Gum in that she's a faster but weaker AiAi.) That said, I don't think people would be particularly interested in a quarter of the roster being direct clones of each other, so... yeah.

In terms of stages and the like, I reckon the majority of them would be pulled from SEGA's DS releases with very few (if any) new inclusions, these being:

Green Hill Zone - pulled from Tennis. I considered Seaside Hill for this one but I felt Green Hill was more iconic.
Final Fortress - pulled from Racing, this time from the Dark Arsenal stage. I reckon some Badniks are working here, too.
Shibuya Downtown - pulled from Tennis, though it's the classic variant. It's more iconic than the Racing tracks, admittedly.
Jumble Jungle - pulled from the Treetops stage in Racing. Maybe characters like MeeMee are observing.
Splash Garden - a NiGHTS stage, again pulled from Tennis. Nightopians like to hang around and observe. Maybe you could have some Puyos here too.
Space Port 9 - pulled from Tennis, works as a solid location for Ulala's home I suppose. There's some dancing Morolians in the background.
Carnival Town - specifically pulled from the Jump Parade stage in Racing.
Dino Mountain - pulled from Racing, specifically the Lava Lair stage. I felt it'd be nice and different compared to the two Blizzard Castle tracks.
Curien Mansion - pulled from Racing, specifically the Outer Forest stage. There's some zombies lurching around here.
AM2 Wharf - pulled from Tennis, represents the Virtua Cop series. This was actually a whole mode back there so it seems like it'd be fun to pull.

As for music and remixes, they'd be pulled directly from DS titles (mostly Tennis and Racing, though.) Bear in mind this isn't too high-effort on SEGA's part, so don't expect an earth-shattering release.

Wario Wario Wario · Jun 14, 2023

Food Fight!
Based on

AlteredBeast 's thread

Ronald McDonald (McDonald's)
Hamburglar
Mac Tonight
Colonel Sanders (KFC)
Burger King (Burger King)
Kid Vid
Polar Bear (Coca-Cola)
Red & Yellow (M&M's)
Mrs. Green
Chester Cheetah (Cheetos)
Kool-Aid Man (Kool-Aid)
Mr. Peanut (Planters)
Siren (Starbucks)
Goldbear (Haribo)
Lucky (Lucky Charms)
Cap'N Crunch (Cap'N Crunch)
Tony (Frosties)
Icee Bear (Icee)
Chiquila Banana (Chiquila)
Frankenberry (Monster Cereals)
Chuck E. Cheese (Chuck E. Cheese)
Classic Cigar Chuck
The Noid (Domino's Pizza)
Pepsiman (Pepsi)
Animal (Pepperami)
Freddo (Cadbury Dairy Milk)
Easter Bunny
The Bimbo Bear (Bimbo)
Koala (Koala's March)
Panda (Panda Cheese)
Honey Monster (Honey Monster)
Jolibee (Jolibee)
Cool Spot (7-Up)
Fido-Dido
Wilkins (Wilkins Coffee)
Billy Bob (Showbiz Pizza)
Spongmonkeys (Quiznos)
Bigg Mixx (Bigg Mixx)
Colin Curly (Quavers)
Bibendum (Michelin Guide)

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 14, 2023

KneeOfJustice99 said:
I feel like this concept is going to make some people actually break down, but I've had it rattling in my head for a short while and thought I should give it a shot, specifically: what if in 2011, shortly before moving development from the DS to the 3DS, SEGA greenlit a small-scale project in the form of a platfighter on the platform, though on the condition that it mostly reuses assets in order to save on development time and essentially be a last-minute release for the platform's twilight years? Well... here's my thoughts! (Warning: the roster I'm proposing isn't good. It's moreso feasible.)

Couple of notes before I started: yes, this would be somewhat of a rushed game, but I didn't want to fill it with clone characters. SEGA Superstars Tennis could reasonably have given me Pudding, Gum, MeeMee and Reala to work with on that front, but I felt like it'd be a bit lazy to just fill it with clones. That said, certain characters will share certain elements - for instance, characters like Sonic, Knuckles and Shadow, or Jacky and Ryo, could feasibly share skeletons albeit with different moves. Let's get into it!

Sonic is a pretty obvious inclusion here, who we could do quite a lot with. I'm personally imagining that his interpretation here would be primarily based on the Rush titles as well as hints from the Advance series, maintaining his fast pace and probably featuring a Boost special or something. He's got a few models to pull from, so that shouldn't be too bad. He, Knuckles and Shadow could reasonably share skeletons.

Knuckles is another fairly obvious inclusion, though I'll admit Tails nearly took his place. The main reason I ended up going with Knux is because a lot of his moves would be easier for people to propose and imagine, whereas Tails might have a slightly more complicated skeleton due to his tails, as well as a slightly more complex moveset. He plays here as you'd expect - a couple of elements from Adventure or Advance for flair.

AiAi is here too! My thought process is that he's not always in his ball, though - you'll notice that characters with a central "gimmick" like this will often be simplified in this roster to make programming easier. That said, I reckon his ball would be a special or something of the like. AiAi's a mobile character with pretty low-powered attacks, but he's deceptively fast and fits squarely into rushdown territory.

Billy Hatcher is also here. Yay. (Guilliame L'Eclosion fans will be screaming in joy.) Unfortunately, he's in a similar boat to AiAi in that his central "gimmick" (in his case his giant eggs) will probably be limited to special moves. Billy's probably a bit slower-paced than Sonic but shares a few similarities overall, though. He could probably share a skeleton with Alex Kidd too, if needed.

Ulala is someone a bit fresh, using a humanoid skeleton that's going to be shared by NiGHTS down the road. (No, seriously.) I think her moves mostly being just dance animations could work well, a little like a more fluid Wii Fit Trainer in that sense, though she could just as easily use more traditional punches and kicks and the like.

Jacky Bryant is mostly picked in this case due to (from what I can find, at least) a lack of a DS model for Akira, so he'll have to do as our Virtua Fighter rep. He'd bring over a few of his more iconic attacks from the game, and could probably share a skeleton with Ryo, Beat, or possibly even Kai.

NiGHTS has their model pulled from SEGA Superstars Tennis for this game, and similarly to AiAi and Billy, their "gimmick" (being free flight) is mostly limited to animations and specials and the like. NiGHTS is an aerially-adept and surprisingly quick character, though works best to set up comboes whilst not necessarily being good at defence, making them a loosely defined glass cannon of sorts.

Beat is our last default character, who in this case could work in a few unique ways but inevitably would probably feel pretty generic here. Whilst his animations should look somewhat stylish with different tricks and the like, he'll be mostly kick-focused, and probably uses his spray cans as a special or something of the like.

Shadow is our first unlockable character, picked mostly because of his continued popularity at the time and the fact that he's fairly easy to rig up since we already have Sonic's skeleton to work with. That's not to say he's a Sonic clone by any means - he'd be moreso based on his Adventure and Battle appearances overall - but the pair would have similarities.

Amigo is another rhythm-based character, though I think he'd be a lot of fun as more of an unga-bunga character who gets up close and beats you down with his maracas as opposed to taking more direct inspiration from his rhythm-game roots (making him more unique from Ulala in the process.) That said, it'd still be nice for him to have plenty of dancey animations here and there as a nod to his origins.

Dr. Eggman is our second unlockable character and the last from the Sonic series, though in this case, he's unique in that we'd have him actually fighting on foot and using a few different gadgets to make him a zoner/trapper. The reason for this is mostly because it'd be easier to use his skeleton from SEGA Superstars Tennis, and we could always justify him creating a new piece of technology to fight with like the four-armed backpack thing from Tennis.

Ryo Hazuki is here from the Shenmue series, though interestingly, whilst he's got a lot of his own more iconic moves from his games, he'd end up being a bit of a semi-clone of Jacky on a basic level (even though they'd obviously differ in a wide variety of ways.) He's got good damage output with his martial arts, though he's a little slower than some of the others here.

Alex Kidd felt like a natural inclusion who could use the scrimbloey skeleton of characters like Amigo or Billy to his advantage, though in his case, his fists and feet would grow when attacking to give him just a little extra reach. I'm not 100% sure if his various vehicles would be feasible to include here, but the Petacopter would honestly be a fun little thing to see.

Gilius Thunderhead is fairly unique here, and we'd end up having to use his Tennis model with his racket replaced with his classic axe. I reckon there'd be a couple of moves that directly call back to Golden Axe, but a few of them would end up taking creative liberties too. Come to think of it, it might not be such a bad idea to steal some animations from Phantasy Star Zero. Speaking of...

Kai is a bit weird here in that he's not featured in a SEGA crossover before, but being a prominent character from the ambitious DS title Phantasy Star Zero and a representative of that series (which we've also still not yet had in an "All-Stars" game), he felt like a fun inclusion. He'd fight with his sword, obviously, and maybe some of his specials could have him use different Techniques such as Zonde or Anti.

In terms of stages and the like, I reckon the majority of them would be pulled from SEGA's DS releases with very few (if any) new inclusions. Expect locations like Seaside Hill, Shibuya Downtown, Space Port 9, Carnival Park and Curien Mansion, plus a couple you might not initially expect like OutRun Bay - as well as music and remixes pulled directly from DS titles (mostly Tennis and Racing, though.) Bear in mind this isn't too high-effort on SEGA's part, so don't expect an earth-shattering release.

Even if this is a last-minute game for the Nintendo DS, the characters and stages are actually pretty good.

I don't mind leaving Tails behind if it means we get three more Sonic characters than Smash has in general. Maybe Tails can be added if we somehow get a sequel.

It would be interesting to see AiAi not always using his Monkey Ball to move around in. Ditto that for Billy Hatcher's giant eggs.

I actually can see Ulala and NiGHTS sharing a similar build, come to think of it. Heck, if you told an average Sega fan that NiGHTS first came out on the Dreamcast, some of them would have believed you.

While I would have preferred Akira Yuki as our Virtua Fighter rep, Jacky Bryant is the next best choice for that IP in this game.

Interesting how Jet Set Radio got a character in the default roster, with all due respect to the fans.

Of the characters in Sonic not named Sonic, picking Knuckles, Eggman, and Shadow is the best you could pull from for the time.

Amigo is a surprise, even by surprise character standards here.

Ryo Hazuki being a Jacky Bryant semi-clone actually makes sense, since Shenmue initially began development as a Virtua Fighter spinoff.

Alex Kidd and Gilius Thunderhead would be the most expected retro picks for a 2010s Sega platfighter. That doesn't make their inclusions here boring.

Kai from Phantasy Star Zero. This guy is the most unexpected character out of this lineup, bar none. I get that Classic Phantasy Star hasn't been in a Sega All-Stars game, and this does rectify that. But Kai just feels the most likely to be a one-and-done.

On the plus side, the stages and music from Sega's DS games aren't really that bad, so I don't mind their inclusions here as the rule.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 14, 2023

Wario Wario Wario said:
Food Fight!
Based on AlteredBeast 's thread

Ronald McDonald (McDonald's)

Hamburglar

Mac Tonight

Colonel Sanders (KFC)

Burger King (Burger King)

Kid Vid

Polar Bear (Coca-Cola)

Red & Yellow (M&M's)

Mrs. Green

Chester Cheetah (Cheetos)

Kool-Aid Man (Kool-Aid)

Mr. Peanut (Planters)

Siren (Starbucks)

Goldbear (Haribo)

Lucky (Lucky Charms)

Cap'N Crunch (Cap'N Crunch)

Tony (Frosties)

Icee Bear (Icee)

Chiquila Banana (Chiquila)

Frankenberry (Monster Cereals)

Chuck E. Cheese (Chuck E. Cheese)

Classic Cigar Chuck

The Noid (Domino's Pizza)

Pepsiman (Pepsi)

Animal (Pepperami)

Freddo (Cadbury Dairy Milk)

Easter Bunny

The Bimbo Bear (Bimbo)

Koala (Koala's March)

Panda (Panda Cheese)

Honey Monster (Honey Monster)

Jolibee (Jolibee)

Cool Spot (7-Up)

Fido-Dido

Wilkins (Wilkins Coffee)

Billy Bob (Showbiz Pizza)

Spongmonkeys (Quiznos)

Bigg Mixx (Bigg Mixx)

Colin Curly (Quavers)

Bibendum (Michelin Guide)

I'd try my hand at all of these guys, but I would also want to make funny duos out of them:

Ronald McDonald + Burger King: The King's Court
Colonel Sanders + Starbucks Siren: Chicken or Fish
Polar Bear + Pepsiman: Cola Wars
Chuck E. Cheese + Billy Bob: Concept Unification
Fido Dido + The Noid: Turtle Power
Wilkins + Spongmonkeys: Double Teamed
Mrs. Green + Mr. Peanut: I Hear He's Delicious

Just a few examples.

Speed Weed · Jun 14, 2023

KneeOfJustice99 said:
I feel like this concept is going to make some people actually break down, but I've had it rattling in my head for a short while and thought I should give it a shot, specifically: what if in 2011, shortly before moving development from the DS to the 3DS, SEGA greenlit a small-scale project in the form of a platfighter on the platform, though on the condition that it mostly reuses assets in order to save on development time and essentially be a last-minute release for the platform's twilight years? Well... here's my thoughts! (Warning: the roster I'm proposing isn't good. It's moreso feasible.)

Couple of notes before I started: yes, this would be somewhat of a rushed game, but I didn't want to fill it with clone characters. SEGA Superstars Tennis could reasonably have given me Pudding, Gum, MeeMee and Reala to work with on that front, but I felt like it'd be a bit lazy to just fill it with clones. That said, certain characters will share certain elements - for instance, characters like Sonic, Knuckles and Shadow, or Jacky and Ryo, could feasibly share skeletons albeit with different moves. Let's get into it!

Sonic is a pretty obvious inclusion here, who we could do quite a lot with. I'm personally imagining that his interpretation here would be primarily based on the Rush titles as well as hints from the Advance series, maintaining his fast pace and probably featuring a Boost special or something. He's got a few models to pull from, so that shouldn't be too bad. He, Knuckles and Shadow could reasonably share skeletons.

Knuckles is another fairly obvious inclusion, though I'll admit Tails nearly took his place. The main reason I ended up going with Knux is because a lot of his moves would be easier for people to propose and imagine, whereas Tails might have a slightly more complicated skeleton due to his tails, as well as a slightly more complex moveset. He plays here as you'd expect - a couple of elements from Adventure or Advance for flair.

AiAi is here too! My thought process is that he's not always in his ball, though - you'll notice that characters with a central "gimmick" like this will often be simplified in this roster to make programming easier. That said, I reckon his ball would be a special or something of the like. AiAi's a mobile character with pretty low-powered attacks, but he's deceptively fast and fits squarely into rushdown territory.

Billy Hatcher is also here. Yay. (Guilliame L'Eclosion fans will be screaming in joy.) Unfortunately, he's in a similar boat to AiAi in that his central "gimmick" (in his case his giant eggs) will probably be limited to special moves. Billy's probably a bit slower-paced than Sonic but shares a few similarities overall, though. He could probably share a skeleton with Alex Kidd too, if needed.

Ulala is someone a bit fresh, using a humanoid skeleton that's going to be shared by NiGHTS down the road. (No, seriously.) I think her moves mostly being just dance animations could work well, a little like a more fluid Wii Fit Trainer in that sense, though she could just as easily use more traditional punches and kicks and the like.

Jacky Bryant is mostly picked in this case due to (from what I can find, at least) a lack of a DS model for Akira, so he'll have to do as our Virtua Fighter rep. He'd bring over a few of his more iconic attacks from the game, and could probably share a skeleton with Ryo, Beat, or possibly even Kai.

NiGHTS has their model pulled from SEGA Superstars Tennis for this game, and similarly to AiAi and Billy, their "gimmick" (being free flight) is mostly limited to animations and specials and the like. NiGHTS is an aerially-adept and surprisingly quick character, though works best to set up comboes whilst not necessarily being good at defence, making them a loosely defined glass cannon of sorts.

Beat is our last default character, who in this case could work in a few unique ways but inevitably would probably feel pretty generic here. Whilst his animations should look somewhat stylish with different tricks and the like, he'll be mostly kick-focused, and probably uses his spray cans as a special or something of the like.

Shadow is our first unlockable character, picked mostly because of his continued popularity at the time and the fact that he's fairly easy to rig up since we already have Sonic's skeleton to work with. That's not to say he's a Sonic clone by any means - he'd be moreso based on his Adventure and Battle appearances overall - but the pair would have similarities.

Amigo is another rhythm-based character, though I think he'd be a lot of fun as more of an unga-bunga character who gets up close and beats you down with his maracas as opposed to taking more direct inspiration from his rhythm-game roots (making him more unique from Ulala in the process.) That said, it'd still be nice for him to have plenty of dancey animations here and there as a nod to his origins.

Dr. Eggman is our second unlockable character and the last from the Sonic series, though in this case, he's unique in that we'd have him actually fighting on foot and using a few different gadgets to make him a zoner/trapper. The reason for this is mostly because it'd be easier to use his skeleton from SEGA Superstars Tennis, and we could always justify him creating a new piece of technology to fight with like the four-armed backpack thing from Tennis.

Ryo Hazuki is here from the Shenmue series, though interestingly, whilst he's got a lot of his own more iconic moves from his games, he'd end up being a bit of a semi-clone of Jacky on a basic level (even though they'd obviously differ in a wide variety of ways.) He's got good damage output with his martial arts, though he's a little slower than some of the others here.

Alex Kidd felt like a natural inclusion who could use the scrimbloey skeleton of characters like Amigo or Billy to his advantage, though in his case, his fists and feet would grow when attacking to give him just a little extra reach. I'm not 100% sure if his various vehicles would be feasible to include here, but the Petacopter would honestly be a fun little thing to see.

Gilius Thunderhead is fairly unique here, and we'd end up having to use his Tennis model with his racket replaced with his classic axe. I reckon there'd be a couple of moves that directly call back to Golden Axe, but a few of them would end up taking creative liberties too. Come to think of it, it might not be such a bad idea to steal some animations from Phantasy Star Zero. Speaking of...

Kai is a bit weird here in that he's not featured in a SEGA crossover before, but being a prominent character from the ambitious DS title Phantasy Star Zero and a representative of that series (which we've also still not yet had in an "All-Stars" game), he felt like a fun inclusion. He'd fight with his sword, obviously, and maybe some of his specials could have him use different Techniques such as Zonde or Anti.

In terms of stages and the like, I reckon the majority of them would be pulled from SEGA's DS releases with very few (if any) new inclusions, these being:

Green Hill Zone - pulled from Tennis. I considered Seaside Hill for this one but I felt Green Hill was more iconic.

Final Fortress - pulled from Racing, this time from the Dark Arsenal stage. I reckon some Badniks are working here, too.

Shibuya Downtown - pulled from Tennis, though it's the classic variant. It's more iconic than the Racing tracks, admittedly.

Jumble Jungle - pulled from the Treetops stage in Racing. Maybe characters like MeeMee are observing.

Splash Garden - a NiGHTS stage, again pulled from Tennis. Nightopians like to hang around and observe. Maybe you could have some Puyos here too.

Space Port 9 - pulled from Tennis, works as a solid location for Ulala's home I suppose. There's some dancing Morolians in the background.

Carnival Town - specifically pulled from the Jump Parade stage in Racing.

Dino Mountain - pulled from Racing, specifically the Lava Lair stage. I felt it'd be nice and different compared to the two Blizzard Castle tracks.

Curien Mansion - pulled from Racing, specifically the Outer Forest stage. There's some zombies lurching around here.

AM2 Wharf - pulled from Tennis, represents the Virtua Cop series. This was actually a whole mode back there so it seems like it'd be fun to pull.

As for music and remixes, they'd be pulled directly from DS titles (mostly Tennis and Racing, though.) Bear in mind this isn't too high-effort on SEGA's part, so don't expect an earth-shattering release.

this roster brings me immense pain so yeah mission accomplished

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 14, 2023

Speed Weed said:
this roster brings me immense pain so yeah mission accomplished

Well, it isn't your dream roster, but for a slapdash game on nearly-outdated hardware, I'd say he did the best he could.

Speed Weed · Jun 14, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
Well, it isn't your dream roster, but for a slapdash game on nearly-outdated hardware, I'd say he did the best he could.

nah that's what I'm saying, they got the vibe downpat

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 14, 2023

Speed Weed said:
nah that's what I'm saying, they got the vibe downpat

Admittedly, yes. But I can look past that and take it at face value.

DragonRobotKing26 · Jun 14, 2023

Scary Fight! (a platform fighter of horror-themed or with horror elements video game franchises)

Nemesis (Resident Evil)
Pyramid Head (Silent Hill)
Isaac Clarke (Dead Space)
Big Daddy (Bioshock)
Alma Wade (F.E.A.R.)
Ellie Williams (The Last of Us)
Firebrand (Ghosts N' Goblins)
Alucard (Castlevania)
Rick Taylor (Splatterhouse)
Chris Walker (Outlast)
Simon Jarrett (SOMA)
Springtrap (Five Nights At Freddy's)
The Trapper (Dead By Daylight)

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 17, 2023

Pixar Smash Bros 64 (1999)

Buzz Lightyear
Flik
Luxo Jr.
Sheriff Woody
Rex
Hopper
Geri
Tin Toy
Heimlich
Hamm
Andre and Wally B.
Knick

Pixar Smash Bros Melee (2002)

Buzz Lightyear
Flik
Luxo Jr.
Sheriff Woody
Rex
Hopper
Geri
Tin Toy
Heimlich
Hamm
Andre and Wally B.
Knick
Jessie
Mr. Potato Head
Dot
Mira Nova
Sulley
Stinky Pete
Emperor Zurg
Mike Wazowski
Francis
Booster
Red the Unicycle
Randall
Barbie
Tex the Robot

Super Pixar Bros. Brawl (2008)

Buzz Lightyear
Flik
Luxo Jr.
Sheriff Woody
Rex
Hopper
Geri
Tin Toy
Heimlich
Hamm
Knick
Jessie
Mira Nova
Sulley
Stinky Pete
Emperor Zurg
Mike Wazowski
Francis
Booster
Red the Unicycle
Randall
Mr. Incredible
Lightning McQueen
Nemo
Remy
Jackalope
Bass
Stu
Elastigirl
Tow Mater
Mr. Waternoose
Dory
Jack-Jack
Totoro
Darth Vader

Pixar Smash Bros. 4 (2014)

Buzz Lightyear
Flik
Luxo Jr.
Sheriff Woody
Rex
Hopper
Tin Toy
Hamm
Jessie
Mira Nova
Sulley
Stinky Pete
Emperor Zurg
Mike Wazowski
Francis
Randall
Mr. Incredible
Lightning McQueen
Nemo
Remy
Jackalope
Elastigirl
Tow Mater
Mr. Waternoose
Dory
Jack-Jack
WALL-E
Carl Fredricksen
Lotso
Merida
Frozone
Alec Azam
Bambino
EVE
Finn McMissile
Kermit the Frog

Pixar Smash Bros Quintet (2018)

Buzz Lightyear
Flik
Luxo Jr.
Sheriff Woody
Rex
Hopper
Hamm
Jessie
Mira Nova
Sulley
Stinky Pete
Emperor Zurg
Mike Wazowski
Randall
Mr. Incredible
Lightning McQueen
Nemo
Remy
Elastigirl
Tow Mater
WALL-E
Carl Fredricksen
Lotso
Merida
Frozone
Alec Azam
Finn McMissile
Joy
Arlo
Hank
Cruz Ramirez
Dusty Crophopper
Miguel
Screenslaver
Sanjay
Piper
Lou
Bao

Pixar Smash Bros. Fighters Pass (2020)

Bo Peep
Purl
Ian Lightfoot
Forky
Syndrome
Scrat

What do you guys think?

HyperSomari64 · Jun 17, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
Pixar Smash Bros 64 (1999)

Buzz Lightyear

Flik

Luxo Jr.

Sheriff Woody

Rex

Hopper

Geri

Tin Toy

Heimlich

Hamm

Andre and Wally B.

Knick

Pixar Smash Bros Melee (2002)

Buzz Lightyear

Flik

Luxo Jr.

Sheriff Woody

Rex

Hopper

Geri

Tin Toy

Heimlich

Hamm

Andre and Wally B.

Knick

Jessie

Mr. Potato Head

Dot

Mira Nova

Sulley

Stinky Pete

Emperor Zurg

Mike Wazowski

Francis

Booster

Red the Unicycle

Randall

Barbie

Tex the Robot

Super Pixar Bros. Brawl (2008)

Buzz Lightyear

Flik

Luxo Jr.

Sheriff Woody

Rex

Hopper

Geri

Tin Toy

Heimlich

Hamm

Knick

Jessie

Mira Nova

Sulley

Stinky Pete

Emperor Zurg

Mike Wazowski

Francis

Booster

Red the Unicycle

Randall

Mr. Incredible

Lightning McQueen

Nemo

Remy

Jackalope

Bass

Stu

Elastigirl

Tow Mater

Mr. Waternoose

Dory

Jack-Jack

Totoro

Darth Vader

Pixar Smash Bros. 4 (2014)

Buzz Lightyear

Flik

Luxo Jr.

Sheriff Woody

Rex

Hopper

Tin Toy

Hamm

Jessie

Mira Nova

Sulley

Stinky Pete

Emperor Zurg

Mike Wazowski

Francis

Randall

Mr. Incredible

Lightning McQueen

Nemo

Remy

Jackalope

Elastigirl

Tow Mater

Mr. Waternoose

Dory

Jack-Jack

WALL-E

Carl Fredricksen

Lotso

Merida

Frozone

Alec Azam

Bambino

EVE

Finn McMissile

Kermit the Frog

Pixar Smash Bros Quintet (2018)

Buzz Lightyear

Flik

Luxo Jr.

Sheriff Woody

Rex

Hopper

Hamm

Jessie

Mira Nova

Sulley

Stinky Pete

Emperor Zurg

Mike Wazowski

Randall

Mr. Incredible

Lightning McQueen

Nemo

Remy

Elastigirl

Tow Mater

WALL-E

Carl Fredricksen

Lotso

Merida

Frozone

Alec Azam

Finn McMissile

Joy

Arlo

Hank

Cruz Ramirez

Dusty Crophopper

Miguel

Screenslaver

Sanjay

Piper

Lou

Bao

Pixar Smash Bros. Fighters Pass (2020)

Bo Peep

Purl

Ian Lightfoot

Forky

Syndrome

Scrat

What do you guys think?

Hoping Shrek makes into the second pass

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 17, 2023

HyperSomari64 said:
Hoping Shrek makes into the second pass

Actually, he nearly made it into the first one if Disney didn't own Blue Sky at that point. Heck, Scrat is the closest one of the guest fighters have been to open the floodgates beyond Pixar's involvement. Mr. Potato Head and Barbie had significant roles in the Toy Story franchise, Tex the Robot was animated by Pixar, some of the 2000s Ghibli dubs had Pixar employees working on the translations, The Graphics Group was once a Lucasfilm division before splitting off to become Pixar, hence Darth Vader, and the 2011 Muppets movie was fine tuned in the writing department.

Scrat, on the other hand, has the least connections to the Pixar brand since Darth Vader and Kermit.

Aw, what the heck? How about a second pass, anyway?

Pixar Smash Bros. Fighters Pass #2 (2022)

Joe Gardner
Luca
Mei Lee
Sox
Newt
Shrek

The first four fighters cover the most recent Pixar films as of 2022, Newt can represent both Pixar and Blue Sky due to its interesting history, and Shrek finally breaks the last boundary of who can get into this game. Much like Sora, actually.

BowserKing · Jun 17, 2023

Ok here is the Marvel version of Smash
Marvel: Infinity Smash 1 (1999)
1.Spider-Man
2.Hulk
3.Wolverine
4.Storm
5.Captain America
6.Iron-Man
7.Mr.Fantastic
8.Invisable Woman
9.Venom
10.Blade
11.She-Hulk
12.Howard the Duck

Marvel: Infinity Smash Melee (2001)
Newcomers
1.Black Cat
2.Green Goblin
3.Thing
4.Scarlet Witch
5.Beast
6.Jean Grey
7.Black Panther
8.Thor
9.Human Torch
10.Magneto
11.Dr.Doom
12.Gamora
13.Namor

Marvel: Infinity Smash Brawl (2008)
Newcomers
1.Wasp
2.Rocket Raccoon
3.Black Widow
4.Deadpool
5.Godzilla
6.Hawkeye
7.Devil Dinosaur
8.Cyclops
9.Shadowcat
10.Batman
11.Dr.Octopus
12.Antman
13.Mystique
14.Super Skrull
15.Nova
16.Loki

Marvel: Infinity Smash 4 (2014)
Newcomers
1.Captain Marvel
2.Superman
3.Enchantress
4.Nebula
5.Daredevil
6.Abomination
7.Miles Morales
8.Groot
9.Luke Cage
10.Vision
11.Lady Sif
12.Wonder Woman
13.Ms.Marvel
14.Dr.Strange
15.Star-Lord
16.Juggernaut
17.Zabu
DLC
1.Quicksilver
2.Moon Knight
3.Falcon
4.Amingo
5.Darth Vader
6.Ghost-Spider
7.Raven

Marvel: Inifinity Smash Ultimate (2018)
Newcomers
1.Quasar
2.Moon Girl
3.Thanos
4.Optimus Prime
5.Megatron
6.War Machine
7.Hazmat
8.Drax
9.Reptil
10.Jill Valentine
11.Bucky
DLC
1.J Jonah Jameson
Marvel Pass 1
1.Akuma
2.Luke Skywalker
3.Ultron
4.Tenth Doctor
5.Conan the Barbarian
6.Okoye
Marvel Pass 2
1.Shang Chi
2.Ren and Stimpy
3.Joker
4.Psylock
5.Scooby and Shaggy
6.Master Chief

Some of the characters (Godzilla, Ren and Stimpy, Scooby and Shaggy and Master Chief) have been featured in Marvel comics (the former 3 encountered Marvel characters before)

Janx_uwu · Jun 17, 2023

It's kinda scary how realistic this image is. I straight up had to have played this when I was 9 there's no other way it's this viscerally real

KneeOfJustice99 said:
I feel like this concept is going to make some people actually break down, but I've had it rattling in my head for a short while and thought I should give it a shot, specifically: what if in 2011, shortly before moving development from the DS to the 3DS, SEGA greenlit a small-scale project in the form of a platfighter on the platform, though on the condition that it mostly reuses assets in order to save on development time and essentially be a last-minute release for the platform's twilight years? Well... here's my thoughts! (Warning: the roster I'm proposing isn't good. It's moreso feasible.)

Couple of notes before I started: yes, this would be somewhat of a rushed game, but I didn't want to fill it with clone characters. SEGA Superstars Tennis could reasonably have given me Pudding, Gum, MeeMee and Reala to work with on that front, but I felt like it'd be a bit lazy to just fill it with clones. That said, certain characters will share certain elements - for instance, characters like Sonic, Knuckles and Shadow, or Jacky and Ryo, could feasibly share skeletons albeit with different moves. Let's get into it!

Sonic is a pretty obvious inclusion here, who we could do quite a lot with. I'm personally imagining that his interpretation here would be primarily based on the Rush titles as well as hints from the Advance series, maintaining his fast pace and probably featuring a Boost special or something. He's got a few models to pull from, so that shouldn't be too bad. He, Knuckles and Shadow could reasonably share skeletons.

Knuckles is another fairly obvious inclusion, though I'll admit Tails nearly took his place. The main reason I ended up going with Knux is because a lot of his moves would be easier for people to propose and imagine, whereas Tails might have a slightly more complicated skeleton due to his tails, as well as a slightly more complex moveset. He plays here as you'd expect - a couple of elements from Adventure or Advance for flair.

AiAi is here too! My thought process is that he's not always in his ball, though - you'll notice that characters with a central "gimmick" like this will often be simplified in this roster to make programming easier. That said, I reckon his ball would be a special or something of the like. AiAi's a mobile character with pretty low-powered attacks, but he's deceptively fast and fits squarely into rushdown territory.

Billy Hatcher is also here. Yay. (Guilliame L'Eclosion fans will be screaming in joy.) Unfortunately, he's in a similar boat to AiAi in that his central "gimmick" (in his case his giant eggs) will probably be limited to special moves. Billy's probably a bit slower-paced than Sonic but shares a few similarities overall, though. He could probably share a skeleton with Alex Kidd too, if needed.

Ulala is someone a bit fresh, using a humanoid skeleton that's going to be shared by NiGHTS down the road. (No, seriously.) I think her moves mostly being just dance animations could work well, a little like a more fluid Wii Fit Trainer in that sense, though she could just as easily use more traditional punches and kicks and the like.

Jacky Bryant is mostly picked in this case due to (from what I can find, at least) a lack of a DS model for Akira, so he'll have to do as our Virtua Fighter rep. He'd bring over a few of his more iconic attacks from the game, and could probably share a skeleton with Ryo, Beat, or possibly even Kai.

NiGHTS has their model pulled from SEGA Superstars Tennis for this game, and similarly to AiAi and Billy, their "gimmick" (being free flight) is mostly limited to animations and specials and the like. NiGHTS is an aerially-adept and surprisingly quick character, though works best to set up comboes whilst not necessarily being good at defence, making them a loosely defined glass cannon of sorts.

Beat is our last default character, who in this case could work in a few unique ways but inevitably would probably feel pretty generic here. Whilst his animations should look somewhat stylish with different tricks and the like, he'll be mostly kick-focused, and probably uses his spray cans as a special or something of the like.

Shadow is our first unlockable character, picked mostly because of his continued popularity at the time and the fact that he's fairly easy to rig up since we already have Sonic's skeleton to work with. That's not to say he's a Sonic clone by any means - he'd be moreso based on his Adventure and Battle appearances overall - but the pair would have similarities.

Amigo is another rhythm-based character, though I think he'd be a lot of fun as more of an unga-bunga character who gets up close and beats you down with his maracas as opposed to taking more direct inspiration from his rhythm-game roots (making him more unique from Ulala in the process.) That said, it'd still be nice for him to have plenty of dancey animations here and there as a nod to his origins.

Dr. Eggman is our second unlockable character and the last from the Sonic series, though in this case, he's unique in that we'd have him actually fighting on foot and using a few different gadgets to make him a zoner/trapper. The reason for this is mostly because it'd be easier to use his skeleton from SEGA Superstars Tennis, and we could always justify him creating a new piece of technology to fight with like the four-armed backpack thing from Tennis.

Ryo Hazuki is here from the Shenmue series, though interestingly, whilst he's got a lot of his own more iconic moves from his games, he'd end up being a bit of a semi-clone of Jacky on a basic level (even though they'd obviously differ in a wide variety of ways.) He's got good damage output with his martial arts, though he's a little slower than some of the others here.

Alex Kidd felt like a natural inclusion who could use the scrimbloey skeleton of characters like Amigo or Billy to his advantage, though in his case, his fists and feet would grow when attacking to give him just a little extra reach. I'm not 100% sure if his various vehicles would be feasible to include here, but the Petacopter would honestly be a fun little thing to see.

Gilius Thunderhead is fairly unique here, and we'd end up having to use his Tennis model with his racket replaced with his classic axe. I reckon there'd be a couple of moves that directly call back to Golden Axe, but a few of them would end up taking creative liberties too. Come to think of it, it might not be such a bad idea to steal some animations from Phantasy Star Zero. Speaking of...

Kai is a bit weird here in that he's not featured in a SEGA crossover before, but being a prominent character from the ambitious DS title Phantasy Star Zero and a representative of that series (which we've also still not yet had in an "All-Stars" game), he felt like a fun inclusion. He'd fight with his sword, obviously, and maybe some of his specials could have him use different Techniques such as Zonde or Anti.

The reason for the majority of cuts in this case pretty much boils down to one of two: either the character wasn't quite interesting or important enough to warrant inclusion compared to another candidate (Tails, Amy, the Bonanza Bros and the various clone characters fit in here), or that their moveset would have been pretty complicated to actually make in such a short time and their unique nature would make them more time-consuming to include (such as with Chuih and Opa-Opa, two characters I really would love to see here but couldn't reasonably justify due to their unique skeletons and attacks.)

If I were to have allowed clones, I'd have added Amy (who'd be a semi-clone of Sonic, albeit slower and with the Piko-Piko Hammer filling some of her attacks, mostly with animations stolen from Phantasy Star Zero), Gum (who would be a clone of Beat with a very similar moveset, albeit faster, lighter, and slightly weaker), Pudding (who'd have again a very similar moveset to Ulala though this time around she'd be heavier and deal more damage), Reala (who'd essentially be the Akuma to NiGHTS's Ryu, dealing very high damage but having abysmal defence because of it) and MeeMee (who would be similar to Gum in that she's a faster but weaker AiAi.) That said, I don't think people would be particularly interested in a quarter of the roster being direct clones of each other, so... yeah.

In terms of stages and the like, I reckon the majority of them would be pulled from SEGA's DS releases with very few (if any) new inclusions, these being:

Green Hill Zone - pulled from Tennis. I considered Seaside Hill for this one but I felt Green Hill was more iconic.

Final Fortress - pulled from Racing, this time from the Dark Arsenal stage. I reckon some Badniks are working here, too.

Shibuya Downtown - pulled from Tennis, though it's the classic variant. It's more iconic than the Racing tracks, admittedly.

Jumble Jungle - pulled from the Treetops stage in Racing. Maybe characters like MeeMee are observing.

Splash Garden - a NiGHTS stage, again pulled from Tennis. Nightopians like to hang around and observe. Maybe you could have some Puyos here too.

Space Port 9 - pulled from Tennis, works as a solid location for Ulala's home I suppose. There's some dancing Morolians in the background.

Carnival Town - specifically pulled from the Jump Parade stage in Racing.

Dino Mountain - pulled from Racing, specifically the Lava Lair stage. I felt it'd be nice and different compared to the two Blizzard Castle tracks.

Curien Mansion - pulled from Racing, specifically the Outer Forest stage. There's some zombies lurching around here.

AM2 Wharf - pulled from Tennis, represents the Virtua Cop series. This was actually a whole mode back there so it seems like it'd be fun to pull.

As for music and remixes, they'd be pulled directly from DS titles (mostly Tennis and Racing, though.) Bear in mind this isn't too high-effort on SEGA's part, so don't expect an earth-shattering release.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 17, 2023

Sony Pictures Animation SLAMFEST

Boog	Elliot	Shaw	McSquizzy	Reilly	Mr. Weenie	Alistair	Cody Maverick	Chicken Joe	Big Z
Flint Lockwood	Sam Sparks	Steve	Brent	Officer Earl	Chester V	Barry	Barb	Smurfette	Gargamel
Drac	Mavis	Johnny	Frankenstein	Wayne	Dennis	Vlad	Van Helsing	Ericka	Tinkles
Arthur Claus	Pirate Captain	Slappy	Gene Meh	Jailbreak	Boaz (The Star)	Peter Rabbit	Miles Morales	Spider-Gwen	Peter B. Parker
Spider-Ham	Peni Parker	Spider-Man 2099	The Spot	Prowler	Spider-Man Noir	Liv Octavius	Jess Drew	Spider-Punk	Jefferson Davis
Katie Mitchell	Rick Mitchell	Linda Mitchell	Aaron Mitchell	Deborahbot 5000	Long (Wish Dragon)	Vivo	Red	Chuck	King Mudbeard
DJ Walters	Frank (Sausage Party)	Lyle Crocodile	Meeper (The ChubbChubbs)	Zuri (Hair Love)	Agent Elvis	Claire (The Summoning)	Tabitha Stephens	Jeannie	Laurie Partridge
Peter Venkman	Slimer	Allo (Dinosaucers)	Daniel LaRusso	Jay Sherman	Hyperman	Cyber Lucy (Wheel 2000)	Gassie (Evolution:TAS)	Robot Chicken	Snook (It's a Big Big World)
Titanium Rex (SuperMansion)	Elle (Blade Runner: Black Lotus)	Homelander	Alan Parrish	G.e.e.K.e.R.	Agent K	Ogden Ostrich (Umptee-3)	Godzilla	Dilbert	Johnny Rico (Roughnecks)
Ord (Dragon Tales)	Zak and Wheezie	Rusty (Big Guy & Rusty)	Max Steel	Jackie Chan	Jade Chan	Harold (Harold and the Purple Crayon)	Stuart Little	Huey Freeman	Uncle Ruckus

Al Bundy	Needham (Stunt Dawgs)	Bones Justice (Mutant League)	Dan Dare	Captain Barnacles (Octonauts)	Hilda	Frida (Hilda)	Alfur Aldric (Hilda)	Chico Bon Bon	Fauntleroy Fox (The Fox and the Crow)
Scrappy (Screen Gems)	Odette (The Swan Princess)	Astro Boy	Kenshin (Rurouni Kenshin)	Cyborg 009	Saya Otonashi (Blood+)	Rosemary (High Guardian Spice)	Izel (Onyx Equinox)	Son Goku	Vegeta
Frieza	Krillin	Yamcha	Piccolo	Ichigo (Bleach)	Bocchi	Ryo Saeba	Tanjiro (Demon Slayer)	Inosuke (Demon Slayer)	Edward Elric
Winry Rockbell	Father (FMA)	Simon (Gurren Lagann)	Ryuko Matoi	Naruto	Sasuke (Naruto)	Boruto (Naruto Next Gen)	Emma (Promised Neverland)	Kirito (SAO)	Anya Forger
Zero Two (Darling in the Franxx)	Monkey D. Luffy	Roronoa Zoro	Nami	Sanji	Tony Tony Chopper	Mob (Mob Psycho 100)	Soma Yukihira (Food Wars!)	Shiraori (So I'm a Spider, So What?)	Fena Houtman (Fena: Pirate Princess)
Deku	All Might	Bakugo	Shoto Todoroki	Ochaco	Tenya Ida	Tsuyu Asui	Mineta	Momo (MHA)	Mina Ashido
Senku (Dr. Stone)	Taiju Oki (Dr. Stone)	Rin Okumura (Blue Exorcist)	Kei / Yuri (Dirty Pair)	Justy Ueki Tylor	Utena Tenjou	Sapphire (Princess Knight)	Kimba	Tama (Tama and Friends)	Q*Bert
Ratchet (Ratchet & Clank)	PaRappa	Sly Cooper	Kratos	Sweet Tooth (Twisted Metal)	Nathan Drake (Uncharted)	Ellie (The Last of Us)	Spike (Ape Escape)	Astro (Astro's Playroom)	Sackboy (LittleBigPlanet)
Aloy (Horizon)	Kat (Gravity Rush)	Dart (The Legend of Dragoon)	Knack	Sir Daniel Fortesque (MediEvil)	Guardian (Destiny)	Snoopy	Charlie Brown	Lucy Van Pelt	Solaire of Astoria
Tarnished (Elden Ring)	Elena Ramirez (Secret Millionaires Club)	Rosie Redd (Rainbow Rangers)	Arnold Armstrong (Superhero Kindergarten)	Bob (ReBoot)	Gary Supernova (Escape from Planet Earth)	Scary Godmother	Catbug (Bravest Warriors)	PuppyCat (Bee and PuppyCat)	RANDOM

Do I expect a 200 character roster? Never.
Do I expect a Sony Animation crossover fighter, after the disaster that was PlayStation All-Stars? Not really.
Are all these characters connected to Sony in some way? It may not look that way, but yes.
Are there more I could have added? Of course.
Does this cover all of Sony's animation catalog? Unless you count their minority stakes in Madhouse, Toei, Kadokawa, or Epic Games, then I think it does.
Would I want a roster this spacious? YES.
Do I know where to start with my main? NO.

Perkilator · Jun 18, 2023

Looking for some time to kill? Head over to my PxZ revised mini-creation thread!

Mini-Creation Thread: Project X Zone 1 and 2 Revised

This is a much smaller scale compared to my other revision threads, as we're focusing entirely on the characters. A few ground rules: We're going to be doing PxZ1 first Mii & Kogoro will be the only OC's on the PxZ1 roster, so sadly none of the OC's from Namco x Capcom will appear The series...

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KneeOfJustice99 · Jun 18, 2023

Perkilator said:
Looking for some time to kill? Head over to my PxZ revised mini-creation thread!

Mini-Creation Thread: Project X Zone 1 and 2 Revised

This is a much smaller scale compared to my other revision threads, as we're focusing entirely on the characters. A few ground rules: We're going to be doing PxZ1 first Mii & Kogoro will be the only OC's on the PxZ1 roster, so sadly none of the OC's from Namco x Capcom will appear The series...

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Hi! I'm terribly sorry to bother you (and even more so if this comes across as rude), but please don't just post creation thread ads here without something alongside them. I don't mind the presence of them too much if you were to give the post a bit of substance (ideally with a potential roster to get people's creative juices flowing or something of the sort!) but I feel like it might start to spoil the thread a little if it starts to fill up with just thread ads. You don't have to delete it or anything, just a heads up! :cheersleo:

As a side note, Venus has this thread specifically for the promotion of creation threads if that's more your speed, which can be a great little resource if you need it. Hope this is helpful!

KneeOfJustice99 · Jun 18, 2023

An idea I visited a while back was some sort of take on an Microsoft-made crossover fighter that deviated from the traditional Xbox-centric format in order to represent Microsoft in a more rounded sense, giving an opportunity to also pull in other companies they've worked with in the past, plus a few PC-centric picks to create a wider audience. That being said, I think it'd still be interesting to visit a more traditional Xbox-centric roster this time around.

I'll note here that there's no set-in-stone "rules" about who is and isn't included. That being said, I didn't want to overly focus on certain franchises that have a lot of character potential, so I didn't let myself add more than two characters from the same series unless it was really warranted (which, as it turns out, it really wasn't.) Let's take a look at what we're working with!

There are, admittedly, a few series missing here - but I'd argue in a lot of cases that some other form of representation would work best for them. Arguably the poster child of this sort of treatment is Forza, but also series such as Microsoft Flight Simulator, or other "weird but cool" picks like Chip's Challenge or Jetpac. Needless to say, a lot of these series could be better-represented elsewhere. Let's get into it!

Base Roster:

Master Chief is the obvious candidate for the face of this game, though I did run into a couple of interesting considerations when trying to rationalise how to make him look. I feel like a brighter appearance similar to either his Fortnite look or the box art for the original Halo: Combat Evolved would work wonders to make him pop, especially compared to later characters with a predominantly dark colour palette. In terms of moveset, I'd say he'd function a little like Snake in Smash Bros. in that he predominantly uses long-range weapons, though some of them are used up close. As for the Energy Weapon... I'll get to that.
Ori might seem like an odd choice for the "second face" of this game, but I think it'd be a good call. Alongside his visual and design differences from Master Chief, his inclusion in Rivals of Aether gives us a decent indication of how this little guy could work in a fighting game. It helps, too, that the Ori series has continually been lauded for its excellent gameplay and visuals, making it a popular and (at this point) recognisable series to headline this game with.
Cuphead, similarly, is originally from an indie platformer - and I considered (at least for a while) that the genre overlap between these two might make them step on each other's toes. That being said, I think they'd differentiate themselves from each other enough to warrant their inclusions. I'd say Cuphead would be a simpler take on the zoner archetype partially represented in Master Chief's zoner/trapper playstyle, a little like Samus's role within Smash Bros.
Razputin feels like a similarly solid pick in this case. The Psychonauts series has continually been a popular one with a strong cult following, even if it's not one of the biggest sellers on the planet. It also helps that Raz effectively represents Double Fine's output in a nice, concise package - all whilst having the potential to be a pretty unique character mechanically due to his various psychic abilities and whatnot.
Dovahkiin felt like a bit of a difficult inclusion for a short while, mostly because I didn't want to overload representation for acquired companies (and he, in the process of making the roster, bumped Bethesda's representation from two characters to three) but I eventually relented, reasoning that the Elder Scrolls series is an iconic one to represent and that, despite the sixth game in the mainline series being on its way, Skyrim is still an important game to represent here. Given we have a couple of sword users on the roster, I'd say Dovahkiin should lean into the barbarianesque aspects of his design, having heavy and powerful attacks that really have a bit of oomph behind them.
Doom Slayer was, on the other hand, practically a lock in my mind. I'd like to mention here that I did momentarily consider his classic look, but his modern look being the default works better in my opinion (maybe with his old-school appearance being an additional costume.) Whereas, at first glance, the visual similarities between him and Master Chief might suggest similar gameplay - Doom Slayer is intended to represent the fast-paced, brutal nature of his series by having a focus on punishing and pummelling opponents from mid-to-close range, with powerful tools like his shotgun, chainsaw, and the infamous BFG. Yes, having both of our Bethesda characters on the main roster might be a bit much, but I think it works.
Kait Diaz was actually a surprisingly difficult choice to make, because I originally had Marcus Fenix penned into her role. That being said, given she seems to be the character Microsoft are pushing as the future icon of the Gears of War franchise, and that she has plenty of unique potential that Marcus might not bring, she felt like a solid inclusion as a lighter zoner overall.
Xbox Live Avatar might seem like a bit of a weird inclusion at first, kind of filling the role of the Mii Fighters in Smash Bros., but I'd personally suggest that the Avatar would have only one moveset - based on the Kinect Sports and Kinect Adventures series. Given how important the Kinect is in Xbox's history (even if it's not particularly very good), it felt like a good place to represent it somewhere or other - and this character, being effectively a blank slate, is a good place to do so with. Of course, you'll be able to cosmetically customise them too, though.
Sparrow is our first rep for the Fable series, a particularly important first-party offering from the earlier Xbox years. Whilst I considered Fable's Hero of Oakvale for this role, Sparrow - being a named protagonist and from the critically lauded sequel - felt like a natural pull (and besides, I'll represent the original game somewhere else.) His moveset is, as you'd expect, a combination of his magically-inclined abilities and his sword-based attacks, making him essentially an RNG-free take on Hero in Smash Bros.
Rathbone, the Gold Hoarder felt like a solid representative for Rare's output on the Xbox. Whilst Sea of Thieves has a wide variety of characters to choose from, the majority of people tend to suggest a blank-slate customisable pirate similarly to the player character. However, I felt that a named character from the game would be a lot more fun - especially if they were somehow unique. Rathbone has that in spades - he's a prominent character within the game's world, being the leader of one of the five main trading organisations, and was one of the first characters shown off before launch - plus, his moveset could use Gold Hoarder-type weapons. Also, he's a skeleton obsessed with gold. That's just... cool.
Ryu Hayabusa is the only third-party rep on the base roster, but he felt like a solid pick given the importance of the Ninja Gaiden reboot series within Xbox's early lineup. I actually had a few potential characters in this role - a Dead or Alive character, or Shenmue's Ryo Hazuki came close - but Ryu felt like a solid character due to his legacy, moveset potential, and continued relevance. Also, he's a ninja - which is undeniably pretty cool, right?
Steve? felt like another lock-in character to include here, though I'd personally opt to stray from his interpretation in Smash Bros. quite significantly. Firstly, his design is based on his look in promotional material and box art, so as to make him fit just a little better with the rest of the cast. This also extends to his animations, which do maintain their blocky nature, but aren't as stilted as they are within the source material. Furthermore, Steve's moveset would primarily focus on offensive tools within the original game as opposed to various different mechanics like Redstone - mostly just to make him a little more focused. Even so, he'd have plenty of moveset potential - I'd personally imagine him using things like a Riptide trident, various tools and weapons, fishing rods, elytra, and so forth would make him a great representative of Minecraft's combat.

Unlockable Characters

Arbiter is our second character from the Halo series, and is admittedly a pretty obvious inclusion. Aside from Master Chief, Arbiters have been one of the only other playable characters in the mainline games, and giving Arbiter stuff like the Energy Weapon would allow us to round out our representation. It also doesn't hurt that he was playable in 2013's Killer Instinct as a crossover character.
Queen Pyrrha was picked over General RAAM mostly because of the latter's middling reception and also because of her very unique moveset potential. Being the Queen of the Locust Horde, I can imagine her moveset leaning into that bug-like inspiration as well as giving her elements of a summoner in that she might be able to bring forth minions as trapping tools.
Tyrant is our second rep from the DOOM series, and it's mostly for the fans. Being one of DOOM's most iconic reoccurring villains (though nowadays known as the Cyberdemon), Tyrant would be in a great position to be a heavyweight brawler with one or two slow-moving projectiles so as to pressure opponents. We might need to tone down his exposed bones a little, but keeping his monstrous appearance would work wonders here.
Piglin is another vaguely porcine-looking antagonist I'm including, though this time for a different reason. Whilst I considered a wide variety of characters or entities for a second Minecraft character (including Alex, a Creeper, an Enderman, a Villager, any of the Illagers, an Iron Golem, a Blaze, or many others), I felt Piglin was in a good place to represent a few things - the Nether, "modern" Minecraft, and a hostile mob. They'd obviously fight with golden tools, and I can also imagine they might bring in a Hoglin for one or two more powerful strikes.
Arkantos is the protagonist of the Age of Mythology series, a spinoff to the Age of Empires series. Whilst Age of Empires was a series I really wanted to represent somehow or another, its characters are almost all historical figures - and as fun as it would be to include Julius Caesar or Attilia the Hun in a game like this, I feel like it might be better to avoid controversy and tap into creativity by going with Arkantos. Arkantos's whole deal is that he's a reoccuring character within different mythological eras, so I think it'd be good to represent this by him having access to various mythological relics and weapons such as Mjolnir, Hermes' boots, or the thunderbolts of Zeus.
Phantom Dust's Protagonist is probably the most "literally who?" pick here, but I think they'd be a good pick. Phantom Dust was a first-party release in 2004 for the original Xbox which centres on a post-apocalyptic world ravaged by a supernatural substance named Dust (this isn't RWBY, shut up), wherein certain people can control Dust for combat purposes. The Protagonist is the character you play as in the game, and has access to a massive variety of attacks that seem fairly magical in nature - lending well to a zoning-based mage archetype. I admittedly had a few characters penned for the "weird Xbox rep" - most prominently Blinx - but the Protagonist feels like a really interesting and unique pull that'd be quite well-liked by fans and newcomers alike.
Jack of Blades is the central antagonist from the original Fable, picked here partially because of his status as a fan-favourite character, his interesting and appealing design, and to represent the original game in an unexpected way. The fact that he's such a skilled antagonist that his strengths are literally "Most Everything" says a lot - and his mask also means you could have a lot of fun with his enigmatic nature.
Rash is our second Rare rep, and I'd say arguably Rare's "icon". Whilst I considered Fulgore in this role, I felt that Rash - representing Rare's earlier output and the company as a whole - is a good shout. If you're wondering why I'm not suggesting Banjo & Kazooie, stop and consider for a moment what Banjo & Kazooie are best-known for in terms of their Xbox output. Yeah. Nuts & Bolts. Probably best not to remind everyone. Rash's moveset could easily take from the entire Battletoads series, plus his appearance in Killer Instinct (2013) as a crossover character alongside the aforementioned General RAAM and an unnamed Arbiter.
Frank West is our second and final third-party character, from the Capcom series Dead Rising - an immensely popular series for the Xbox 360. I think this freelance photographer might be a bit of an unexpected third-party character at first compared to arguably more iconic or well-connected offerings - or even entire companies - but he'd be an out-of-the-ordinary but still fun inclusion that I reckon a lot of people would enjoy. It also doesn't hurt that he's been in a fighting game before now too - well, a few, in the form of the Marvel vs. Capcom series. Also, I think it'd be cool if at least one of his costumes was one of the cosplay outfits you can get in his home series. His Dead Rising 2: Off the Record Protoman look springs to mind as something fun.
Clippit is our final character, and... okay, I need to come clean on this one. I feel like Clippit is in a similar position in terms of Microsoft-based crossover speculation that Segata Sanshiro is in SEGA, because he's placed on this pedestal as being a weird but cool "unexpected" pick when, in actuality, so many people include and suggest them that they're not exactly unexpected at this point. That being said, Clippit is in the position of being able to represent Windows, which I do think would be pretty fun to see here - and I don't think he'd work well as DLC when you have other incredibly popular candidates that he'd be going up against. He seems fun, even if a little overdone, and I reckon he's at least earned his place here.

Champion of Hyrule · Jun 19, 2023

I made a COGH roster with 200 characters

Space Invader
Avatar (Ultima)
Pac-Man
Ms. Pac-Man
Dig Dug
Mappy
Centipede
Adventurer
Yar
Q*bert
Mr. Do!
Jetpac
Miner Willy
Frogger
Mario
Luigi
Donkey Kong
Bowser
Peach
Wario
L-Tetromino
O-Tetromino
Bomberman
BJ Blazkowicz
Dirk the Daring
Erdrick
Slime
Duck Hunt Dog
Kharnov
Gradius Ship
Ryu Hayabusa
Neff
Arle
Sir Arthur
Adol Christin
Simon
Richter
Alucard
Snake
Liquid Snake
Raiden
Bill Rizer
Mega Man
Dr. Wily
Zero
Tron Bonne
Link
Zelda
Ganon
Samus
Athena Asamiya
Cloud
Sephiroth
Yuna
Black Mage
Kunio-Kun
River City Girls
Ryu
Ken
Chun-Li
M. Bison
Dudley
Alis (Phantasy Star)
Mike Haggar
Goemon
The Prince (Prince of Persia)
Marth
Captain Falcon
Commander Keen
Raidou Kuzunoha
Joker
Kirby
Duke Nukem
Sonic
Dr. Eggman
Tails
Amy
Knuckles
Axel Stone
Earthworm Jim
Guybrush Threepwood
Football Manager
Scorpion
Sub-Zero
Liu Kang
Bubsy
Terry Bogard
Iori Yagami
Battletoads
Kane (Command & Conquer)
Hornet (Daytona USA)
Doomslayer
Mr Gimmick
Akira Yuki
Jacky Bryant
Power-Pro Kun
Shiori Fujisaki
Ness
Heihachi
King
Nightmare
Tira
Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors)
Frog (Chrono Trigger)
Croc
Gex
Arthas
Fei
KOSMOS
Shulk
Spike (Ape Escape)
PaRappa
Crash Bandicoot
Neo Cortex
Lara Croft
JC Denton
Kerrigan
Dovahkiin
Rayman
Vault Boy
Lloyd Irving
Jill Valentine
Leon Kennedy
Nemesis
Pikachu
Greninja
Spyro
Klonoa
Clippy
Sol Badguy
Bridget
CJ
Banjo & Kazooie
Gordon Freeman
Heavy
Kung Fu Man
Beat
Ulala
Ryo Hazuki
Amingo
Pharaoh (Total War)
Dante
Vergil
Phoenix Wright
Villager
Master Chief
Cortana
Arbiter
2B
Jak & Daxter
Ratchet & Clank
Monster Hunter
Vaas Montenegro
Saber
Captain Price
Sora
Razputin
Axel Steel
Hitman
Wanderer (Shadow of the Colossus)
Kazuma Kiryu
Prince of all Cosmos
Kratos
Zeus
Atreus
Amaterasu
Matt (Wii Sports)
Marcus Fenix
Frank West
Chell
Commander Shepherd
Ahri
Jinx
Big Daddy
Claptrap
Ezio Auditore
Steve
Creeper
Fireboy/Watergirl
Red
Meat Boy
Jacket
Juan Aguacate
John Marston
Nathan Drake
Chloe Frazer
Ellie Williams
Shovel Knight
Freddy Fazbear
Frisk
Sans
Jonesy
Madeline
Impostor (Among Us)
Hornet (Hollow Knight
The Trapper (Dead By Daylight)
Sekiro
Venti
Tarnished (Elden Ring)
Peppino

KneeOfJustice99 · Jun 19, 2023

I've actually kind of been avoiding tackling this sort of roster for some time, but I think it's finally time for me to give a hypothetical sequel to PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale a shot. However, I wanted to have a few things in consideration when making it, so as to (slightly) emulate a couple of the restrictions of the original. For the most part, I gave myself a few specifics to consider.

The roster should consist of 24 total characters - the total number of characters, including DLC, in the original game - prior to DLC.
There should be no more than six third-party characters - and there should only be one per company so as not to show favouritism.
Likewise, the soft rule of "one character per series" stands from the original. Other forms of representation can work in some cases, though.
All characters should reflect their look in recent material, unless an alternative look is iconic enough to warrant inclusion over that.
Cross-promotion is an important aspect of the roster, but it should also represent various eras of PlayStation's history.
Whilst representation shouldn't be the sole arbiter of inclusions, it'd be nice to have a decent spread of genders and races if possible.
All characters should be realistically attainable, with potential within a fighting game, and with minimal issues.

With all that out of the way, let's get into it.

In terms of Returning Characters, we can reasonably argue that 12.5 of the roster are. (You'll get my reasoning in a minute.) Whilst there were admittedly a lot of issues with the original game's roster, it's undeniable that a large amount of the picks were actually pretty good. That being said, a lot of cuts and changes were also made. Let's first look at who's coming back, though.

Kratos, from the God of War series, is our first returning inclusion - for obvious reasons. His default design would be, of course, his Norse appearance - and his moveset will reflect this. Whilst he'd have a classic look as an alternate costume, we unfortunately wouldn't be including a "Classic Kratos" on the roster, because it'd take away development time for other potential inclusions.
PaRappa, from the PaRappa the Rapper series, is a second returning character and an obvious rep for the PS1 era. Given he was actually handled pretty well in the original game, it only makes sense for him to return. Admittedly, I did momentarily consider adding Lammy in his place, but felt that PaRappa himself was far too iconic to get rid of.
Sweet Tooth, from the Twisted Metal series, is in a particularly good spot as of writing. With a Netflix series on its way, it makes sense to include him both as a rep for a beloved PlayStation series and as cross-promotion for that. That being said, his design would be a fusion of his classic and series look, mostly because it'd strike a decent balance between the two.
Sly Cooper, from the Sly Cooper series, is in a bit of an interesting spot at the moment. Whilst the Sly Cooper series hasn't actually seen any games since 2013 as of writing, the character is still an iconic representative for the PS2 era, and is still beloved enough to (apparently) have a series in the works. I wouldn't say he's an outright olive branch to fans, but he's an iconic inclusion even in spite of his series' inactivity.
Nathan Drake, from the Uncharted series, was a bit of a difficult character to conceptualise in the current climate - namely because there was a non-zero chance that he'd have been in his Tom Holland look, but I felt the licensing would have costed too much. Uncharted is also a great PS3/PS4 series to pull into here, and whilst it's technically been over since 2017, the relatively recent Legacy of Thieves collection helps a lot in this case.
Ratchet & Clank, from the Ratchet & Clank series, are also fairly obvious inclusions - though, of course, their designs are going to match their look in Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. An iconic duo that have been faces of the PlayStation brand fairly consistently since the PS2 era, it only makes sense for the Lombax mechanic and the defective robot to make it into a game like this.
Jak & Daxter, from the Jak series, might not necessarily be as outright iconic as the other notable duo on the list - or have had a game release as recently - but their reception in the original game as well as fan support around the series is more than enough to warrant their inclusion, not to mention the fact that they're also icons of the PS2 lineup.
Sackboy, from the LittleBigPlanet series, is another obvious inclusion given his role as essentially PlayStation's mascot from the PS3 era onward. That said, I've been giving a little bit of thought to it, and I think his moveset this time around would be moreso based on his appearance in Sackboy: A Big Adventure so as to make him more "recent."
Sir Daniel Fortesque, from the MediEvil series, is actually in a surprisingly good spot this time around. A surprising but beloved inclusion into the original game's roster, his case here is also helped by the MediEvil remake in 2019 - plus the fact that he's honestly just a lot of fun.
Spike, from the Ape Escape series, is another character included somewhat as an olive branch toward the fans as opposed to promoting something. Whilst the last game in the series released in 2010, it's a series beloved by fans and one that's had a lot of shoutouts over the years - so his inclusion honestly makes sense in recognition of the Ape Escape series' presence as a great part of the PS1 lineup.
Toro, originally from Doko Demo Issho, was another obvious inclusion. Essentially being the Japanese mascot of the PlayStation brand (especially the PlayStation Network), his inclusion in the original game was just as logical as it is here - plus, it's a great recognition of characters more popular in Japan. And hey, this isn't even the only fighting game series he's been in.
Kat, from the Gravity Rush series, was a really well-recieved DLC character in the original game from the remaining players, and the Gravity Rush series - whilst not having had a game since 2017 - is a fan-favourite amongst the PlayStation brand's lineup. Honestly, she was a great DLC pick in the original, so being a base-roster pick here is pretty cool too.
Dante, from the Devil May Cry series, is obviously in a more traditional design - that being his Devil May Cry 5 appearance. That being said, I did actually consider replacing him with Nero, but I felt he'd be a necessary inclusion so as to almost apologise for the original. The Devil May Cry series was an icon of the PS2 lineup and has maintained constant popularity - though I'll admit a lot of other Capcom characters came close, such as someone from the Monster Hunter or Street Fighter series.

Overall, a decent spread of newcomers. As for the characters that were cut - a lot of them boiled down to one of three reasons. With cases like Fat Princess or Evil Cole McGrath, they were fairly disliked characters in the original and didn't make much sense to bring back when we want a positive fan reception. Alternatively, characters like Colonel Radec and Nariko - whilst interesting in their own right - didn't make much sense to bring back due to their relative obscurity and lack of fan support in the modern climate. Other picks, like Big Daddy, Raiden, or Isaac Clarke, aren't particularly associated with the PlayStation brand specifically - though I have an idea for Raiden that I'll get to later. Oh, and Cole McGrath and Heihachi have specific replacements in mind.

Now then, let's take a look at our Newcomers.

Abigail "Fetch" Walker, from the InFamous series, is our replacement for Cole McGrath for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Cole - whilst being the main icon of the series and a prominent character - kinda already had his time in the sun, and a fresh face in the form of Fetch seems like it'd be a lot of fun. That aside, there's also two other points - promotion and representation. It doesn't hurt that Fetch's neon-based abilities have plenty of potential to be a really interesting moveset in themselves.
The Slayer of Demons, from Demon's Souls, was actually picked in place of the Hunter from Bloodborne mostly due to the Demon's Souls remake being a launch title for the PS5 and being so highly rated. It also doesn't hurt that he'd have plenty of moveset potential as a slow but surprisingly powerful character, even if he sort of steps on Sir Daniel's toes as another knight... but that being said, he would be a good rival for him, hmm?
Aloy, from the Horizon Zero Dawn series, was an obvious inclusion as a newcomer all things considered. Having already crossed over with Fortnite, Genshin Impact and LEGO, the series has been a massive part of the more modern lineup of the PlayStation brand - and Aloy herself has plenty of potential in terms of a moveset.
Jin Sakai, from Ghost of Tsushima, was a character I initially deliberated a little on including due to a relatively large number of swordfighters in the roster - but I felt his take on it would be a lot of fun. A great rep for the late PS4 era, Jin's also got plenty of moveset potential as a samurai. I'll admit I originally penned Wander from Shadow of the Colossus in this role, but I think he'd be a great character for DLC.
Hatapon, from the Patapon series, was a character I felt would be unusual and unexpected, but well-recieved. A representative for the PSP era specifically, Hatapon's whole deal is that he leads the Patapon army - and he'd have that property here too, using other Patapon to attack on his behalf for the most part. Given that a Patapon was, for at least a while, planned for the original game, this felt like a lot of fun as an inclusion.
Dart Feld, from the Legend of Dragoon series, is if nothing else almost completely an olive branch to the fans of the original PlayStation All-Stars. The massive outpouring of support to have Dart released due to his half-finished state was an internet sensation for a short time, and whilst originally unsuccessful, I think it'd be great to include him this time around. He's also got plenty of unique moveset potential, though people far more well-versed in the series than me have said much more about that than I ever could.
Vibri, from the Vib-Ribbon series, is effectively our wildcard of the roster - the Fat Princess of this game, though with the intention of being, well... actually well-recieved. Vib-Ribbon has retroactively recieved a lot of praise and recognition as of recently, and whilst I think that Vibri would be a "literally who?" pick for a lot of people, she'd be an interesting deep cut that PlayStation fans would appreciate. Oh, and given she's also from a rhythm game, her being PaRappa's rival just writes itself.
Alucard, from the Castlevania series, was actually a really difficult character to rationalise. On the one hand, we have Raiden on the original roster - a character who was viewed with confusion originally, but has become particularly popular over time, despite his game's lack of connection to the PlayStation brand. On the other hand, the inclusion of another Metal Gear character is unlikely given the ugly divorce of Hideo Kojima and Konami, and it's known that Snake's inclusion in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was a difficult one to leverage. I considered having Raiden's appearance and moveset based on Metal Gear Solid 2: The Twin Snakes, but for the same reason, I couldn't really justify it. That being said, the Castlevania series seems like it might be easier to leverage - and given the importance of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, either Alucard or Richter felt like pretty obvious inclusions. Alucard was my final choice with all that in mind, given his iconic nature, plentiful moveset potential, and so forth.
Crash Bandicoot, from the Crash Bandicoot series, was another character that I felt would be in a bit of a strange position with. Activision-Blizzard aren't in the best of situations at the moment, and the "one character per company" rule kind of meant it was him or Spyro... or someone else entirely. That being said, the outcry for Crash to be in the original game despite the difficulty in actually getting him in meant he was an obvious inclusion into this one, with Spyro as a DLC option. I'll admit, though - I did come really close to including Spyro over him.
Jin Kazama, from the Tekken series, was picked over Heihachi for a couple of reasons. Firstly, whilst Heihachi is seen as one of the most iconic characters in the series, Jin has arguably been the protagonist of the series ever since Tekken 3 - one of the most popular PS1 games out there. I'd also like to note that his default design mirrors that of Tekken 8, with his classic look being an alternative costume. I'll admit, though - I did momentarily consider Yoshimitsu, and I'll admit it doesn't help that we now have two Jins in the roster. Oh well!
Lara Croft, from the Tomb Raider series, is our final DLC character and might seem like an obvious, but slightly odd, inclusion. Firstly, her classic design is her main one - given it's been used in Tomb Raider Reloaded and works as a promotional tool. (Her reboot look would work well as an additional costume.) She was also picked because, being now outside of Square-Enix's grasp, she's a bit easier to put in crossovers - her appearance in Fortnite is an indication of exactly this. Being an iconic character in her own right and a natural rival to Nathan Drake, this all just made too much sense.

I think this selection of newcomers does a good job at working alongside the classic picks to give plenty of flavour, a mix of promotional and classic picks, and plenty of variety overall. That said, I'll admit a lot of characters were considered, and in a lot of cases, there's good reasons why they're not here. A lot of them would make good DLC picks like the one's I've mentioned so far (Wander and Spyro), other ones might be solid inclusions from an already-represented company, and other ones still might just not really feel... good. A good example of this is Astro, who - whilst being a pretty decent character from a newer PlayStation series - just doesn't quite feel right in a playable role, though another role such as a Minion would work wonders for him. I also didn't want too many iconic first-party characters to be in the base roster, allowing for plenty of DLC picks to be exciting and maintain interest long-term.

In terms of third-party picks, well... a lot of them boiled down to an alternative being more interesting. A character from the Persona series was considered, for instance - Joker, Aigis and Yu being my main candidates - but I felt they'd work great as a DLC pick and that the five included third-party characters were better picks. Bomberman was almost included as the Konami rep with Alucard as DLC, but Alucard's nature as such an iconic character felt like he'd be great. Square-Enix is a company that I reckon would make a lot of sense here and spring out as an obvious omission, but I felt that they would be a little too difficult to work with (though I think Tifa would be a solid DLC candidate as cross-promotion for the Final Fantasy 7 Remake series.) Lastly, I did consider a candidate from the Like a Dragon series - with Majima actually being the pick I penned in due to his popularity and the fact that he's actually allowed to hit women (god that sounds bad) - but I felt he'd be an awesome DLC candidate too. Obviously me pointing out most of these as solid DLC candidates doesn't mean they're confirmed to be DLC or anything like that - but they'd be solid potential picks. (I'd probably limit DLC to around 8 characters in total.)

I should also note that the list of playable characters doesn't indicate the only series being represented. For instance, Gran Turismo and WipEout spring to mind as series I'd love to represent with either music or a stage - plus plenty of other inclusions, too.

Oh! One more thing! Rivalries!

Kratos vs. Hatapon - both are responsible for slaying gods.
PaRappa vs. Vibri - both are rhythm-game characters. This just felt natural.
Sweet Tooth vs. Alucard - I think it's not unreasonable for Alucard to presume Sweet Tooth is a monster sent by Dracula.
Sly Cooper vs. Fetch - both are technically aligned against the law, but are still seen as good characters.
Nathan Drake vs. Lara Croft - a pair of adventurers. Perhaps they're both searching for the same treasure?
Ratchet & Clank vs. Jak & Daxter - iconic duos!
Sackboy vs. Crash Bandicoot - platformer icons, both of whom are seen as "PlayStation mascots" from different eras.
Sir Daniel Fortesque vs. The Slayer of Demons - both of them are knights.
Spike vs. Aloy - Spike hunts down animals (apes, specifically) whilst Aloy also hunts down animals (albeit mechanical ones.)
Toro vs. Kat - Toro is a cat, Kat is named cat, and also has Dusty, a cat. This just seems fun to me.
Jin Sakai vs. Dart Feld - both of them are, in some way, attuned to an aspect of nature.
Dante vs. Jin Kazama - Dante slays demons, Jin technically is one.

With all that said... what are your thoughts? Would you be happy with this if it were to be an actual thing?

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 19, 2023

KneeOfJustice99 said:
I've actually kind of been avoiding tackling this sort of roster for some time, but I think it's finally time for me to give a hypothetical sequel to PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale a shot. However, I wanted to have a few things in consideration when making it, so as to (slightly) emulate a couple of the restrictions of the original. For the most part, I gave myself a few specifics to consider.

The roster should consist of 24 total characters - the total number of characters, including DLC, in the original game - prior to DLC.

There should be no more than six third-party characters - and there should only be one per company so as not to show favouritism.

Likewise, the soft rule of "one character per series" stands from the original. Other forms of representation can work in some cases, though.

All characters should reflect their look in recent material, unless an alternative look is iconic enough to warrant inclusion over that.

Cross-promotion is an important aspect of the roster, but it should also represent various eras of PlayStation's history.

Whilst representation shouldn't be the sole arbiter of inclusions, it'd be nice to have a decent spread of genders and races if possible.

All characters should be realistically attainable, with potential within a fighting game, and with minimal issues.

With all that out of the way, let's get into it.

In terms of Returning Characters, we can reasonably argue that 12.5 of the roster are. (You'll get my reasoning in a minute.) Whilst there were admittedly a lot of issues with the original game's roster, it's undeniable that a large amount of the picks were actually pretty good. That being said, a lot of cuts and changes were also made. Let's first look at who's coming back, though.

Kratos, from the God of War series, is our first returning inclusion - for obvious reasons. His default design would be, of course, his Norse appearance - and his moveset will reflect this. Whilst he'd have a classic look as an alternate costume, we unfortunately wouldn't be including a "Classic Kratos" on the roster, because it'd take away development time for other potential inclusions.

PaRappa, from the PaRappa the Rapper series, is a second returning character and an obvious rep for the PS1 era. Given he was actually handled pretty well in the original game, it only makes sense for him to return. Admittedly, I did momentarily consider adding Lammy in his place, but felt that PaRappa himself was far too iconic to get rid of.

Sweet Tooth, from the Twisted Metal series, is in a particularly good spot as of writing. With a Netflix series on its way, it makes sense to include him both as a rep for a beloved PlayStation series and as cross-promotion for that. That being said, his design would be a fusion of his classic and series look, mostly because it'd strike a decent balance between the two.

Sly Cooper, from the Sly Cooper series, is in a bit of an interesting spot at the moment. Whilst the Sly Cooper series hasn't actually seen any games since 2013 as of writing, the character is still an iconic representative for the PS2 era, and is still beloved enough to (apparently) have a series in the works. I wouldn't say he's an outright olive branch to fans, but he's an iconic inclusion even in spite of his series' inactivity.

Nathan Drake, from the Uncharted series, was a bit of a difficult character to conceptualise in the current climate - namely because there was a non-zero chance that he'd have been in his Tom Holland look, but I felt the licensing would have costed too much. Uncharted is also a great PS3/PS4 series to pull into here, and whilst it's technically been over since 2017, the relatively recent Legacy of Thieves collection helps a lot in this case.

Ratchet & Clank, from the Ratchet & Clank series, are also fairly obvious inclusions - though, of course, their designs are going to match their look in Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart. An iconic duo that have been faces of the PlayStation brand fairly consistently since the PS2 era, it only makes sense for the Lombax mechanic and the defective robot to make it into a game like this.

Jak & Daxter, from the Jak series, might not necessarily be as outright iconic as the other notable duo on the list - or have had a game release as recently - but their reception in the original game as well as fan support around the series is more than enough to warrant their inclusion, not to mention the fact that they're also icons of the PS2 lineup.

Sackboy, from the LittleBigPlanet series, is another obvious inclusion given his role as essentially PlayStation's mascot from the PS3 era onward. That said, I've been giving a little bit of thought to it, and I think his moveset this time around would be moreso based on his appearance in Sackboy: A Big Adventure so as to make him more "recent."

Sir Daniel Fortesque, from the MediEvil series, is actually in a surprisingly good spot this time around. A surprising but beloved inclusion into the original game's roster, his case here is also helped by the MediEvil remake in 2019 - plus the fact that he's honestly just a lot of fun.

Spike, from the Ape Escape series, is another character included somewhat as an olive branch toward the fans as opposed to promoting something. Whilst the last game in the series released in 2010, it's a series beloved by fans and one that's had a lot of shoutouts over the years - so his inclusion honestly makes sense in recognition of the Ape Escape series' presence as a great part of the PS1 lineup.

Toro, originally from Doko Demo Issho, was another obvious inclusion. Essentially being the Japanese mascot of the PlayStation brand (especially the PlayStation Network), his inclusion in the original game was just as logical as it is here - plus, it's a great recognition of characters more popular in Japan. And hey, this isn't even the only fighting game series he's been in.

Kat, from the Gravity Rush series, was a really well-recieved DLC character in the original game from the remaining players, and the Gravity Rush series - whilst not having had a game since 2017 - is a fan-favourite amongst the PlayStation brand's lineup. Honestly, she was a great DLC pick in the original, so being a base-roster pick here is pretty cool too.

Dante, from the Devil May Cry series, is obviously in a more traditional design - that being his Devil May Cry 5 appearance. That being said, I did actually consider replacing him with Nero, but I felt he'd be a necessary inclusion so as to almost apologise for the original. The Devil May Cry series was an icon of the PS2 lineup and has maintained constant popularity - though I'll admit a lot of other Capcom characters came close, such as someone from the Monster Hunter or Street Fighter series.

Overall, a decent spread of newcomers. As for the characters that were cut - a lot of them boiled down to one of three reasons. With cases like Fat Princess or Evil Cole McGrath, they were fairly disliked characters in the original and didn't make much sense to bring back when we want a positive fan reception. Alternatively, characters like Colonel Radec and Nariko - whilst interesting in their own right - didn't make much sense to bring back due to their relative obscurity and lack of fan support in the modern climate. Other picks, like Big Daddy, Raiden, or Isaac Clarke, aren't particularly associated with the PlayStation brand specifically - though I have an idea for Raiden that I'll get to later. Oh, and Cole McGrath and Heihachi have specific replacements in mind.

Now then, let's take a look at our Newcomers.

Abigail "Fetch" Walker, from the InFamous series, is our replacement for Cole McGrath for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Cole - whilst being the main icon of the series and a prominent character - kinda already had his time in the sun, and a fresh face in the form of Fetch seems like it'd be a lot of fun. That aside, there's also two other points - promotion and representation. It doesn't hurt that Fetch's neon-based abilities have plenty of potential to be a really interesting moveset in themselves.

The Slayer of Demons, from Demon's Souls, was actually picked in place of the Hunter from Bloodborne mostly due to the Demon's Souls remake being a launch title for the PS5 and being so highly rated. It also doesn't hurt that he'd have plenty of moveset potential as a slow but surprisingly powerful character, even if he sort of steps on Sir Daniel's toes as another knight... but that being said, he would be a good rival for him, hmm?

Aloy, from the Horizon Zero Dawn series, was an obvious inclusion as a newcomer all things considered. Having already crossed over with Fortnite, Genshin Impact and LEGO, the series has been a massive part of the more modern lineup of the PlayStation brand - and Aloy herself has plenty of potential in terms of a moveset.

Jin Sakai, from Ghost of Tsushima, was a character I initially deliberated a little on including due to a relatively large number of swordfighters in the roster - but I felt his take on it would be a lot of fun. A great rep for the late PS4 era, Jin's also got plenty of moveset potential as a samurai. I'll admit I originally penned Wander from Shadow of the Colossus in this role, but I think he'd be a great character for DLC.

Hatapon, from the Patapon series, was a character I felt would be unusual and unexpected, but well-recieved. A representative for the PSP era specifically, Hatapon's whole deal is that he leads the Patapon army - and he'd have that property here too, using other Patapon to attack on his behalf for the most part. Given that a Patapon was, for at least a while, planned for the original game, this felt like a lot of fun as an inclusion.

Dart Feld, from the Legend of Dragoon series, is if nothing else almost completely an olive branch to the fans of the original PlayStation All-Stars. The massive outpouring of support to have Dart released due to his half-finished state was an internet sensation for a short time, and whilst originally unsuccessful, I think it'd be great to include him this time around. He's also got plenty of unique moveset potential, though people far more well-versed in the series than me have said much more about that than I ever could.

Vibri, from the Vib-Ribbon series, is effectively our wildcard of the roster - the Fat Princess of this game, though with the intention of being, well... actually well-recieved. Vib-Ribbon has retroactively recieved a lot of praise and recognition as of recently, and whilst I think that Vibri would be a "literally who?" pick for a lot of people, she'd be an interesting deep cut that PlayStation fans would appreciate. Oh, and given she's also from a rhythm game, her being PaRappa's rival just writes itself.

Alucard, from the Castlevania series, was actually a really difficult character to rationalise. On the one hand, we have Raiden on the original roster - a character who was viewed with confusion originally, but has become particularly popular over time, despite his game's lack of connection to the PlayStation brand. On the other hand, the inclusion of another Metal Gear character is unlikely given the ugly divorce of Hideo Kojima and Konami, and it's known that Snake's inclusion in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was a difficult one to leverage. I considered having Raiden's appearance and moveset based on Metal Gear Solid 2: The Twin Snakes, but for the same reason, I couldn't really justify it. That being said, the Castlevania series seems like it might be easier to leverage - and given the importance of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, either Alucard or Richter felt like pretty obvious inclusions. Alucard was my final choice with all that in mind, given his iconic nature, plentiful moveset potential, and so forth.

Crash Bandicoot, from the Crash Bandicoot series, was another character that I felt would be in a bit of a strange position with. Activision-Blizzard aren't in the best of situations at the moment, and the "one character per company" rule kind of meant it was him or Spyro... or someone else entirely. That being said, the outcry for Crash to be in the original game despite the difficulty in actually getting him in meant he was an obvious inclusion into this one, with Spyro as a DLC option. I'll admit, though - I did come really close to including Spyro over him.

Jin Kazama, from the Tekken series, was picked over Heihachi for a couple of reasons. Firstly, whilst Heihachi is seen as one of the most iconic characters in the series, Jin has arguably been the protagonist of the series ever since Tekken 3 - one of the most popular PS1 games out there. I'd also like to note that his default design mirrors that of Tekken 8, with his classic look being an alternative costume.

Lara Croft, from the Tomb Raider series, is our final DLC character and might seem like an obvious, but slightly odd, inclusion. Firstly, her classic design is her main one - given it's been used in Tomb Raider Reloaded and works as a promotional tool. (Her reboot look would work well as an additional costume.) She was also picked because, being now outside of Square-Enix's grasp, she's a bit easier to put in crossovers - her appearance in Fortnite is an indication of exactly this. Being an iconic character in her own right and a natural rival to Nathan Drake, this all just made too much sense.

I think this selection of newcomers does a good job at working alongside the classic picks to give plenty of flavour, a mix of promotional and classic picks, and plenty of variety overall. That said, I'll admit a lot of characters were considered, and in a lot of cases, there's good reasons why they're not here. A lot of them would make good DLC picks like the one's I've mentioned so far (Wander and Spyro), other ones might be solid inclusions from an already-represented company, and other ones still might just not really feel... good. A good example of this is Astro, who - whilst being a pretty decent character from a newer PlayStation series - just doesn't quite feel right in a playable role, though another role such as a Minion would work wonders for him. I also didn't want too many iconic first-party characters to be in the base roster, allowing for plenty of DLC picks to be exciting and maintain interest long-term.

In terms of third-party picks, well... a lot of them boiled down to an alternative being more interesting. A character from the Persona series was considered, for instance - Joker, Aigis and Yu being my main candidates - but I felt they'd work great as a DLC pick and that the five included third-party characters were better picks. Bomberman was almost included as the Konami rep with Alucard as DLC, but Alucard's nature as such an iconic character felt like he'd be great. Square-Enix is a company that I reckon would make a lot of sense here and spring out as an obvious omission, but I felt that they would be a little too difficult to work with (though I think Tifa would be a solid DLC candidate as cross-promotion for the Final Fantasy 7 Remake series.) Lastly, I did consider a candidate from the Like a Dragon series - with Majima actually being the pick I penned in due to his popularity and the fact that he's actually allowed to hit women (god that sounds bad) - but I felt he'd be an awesome DLC candidate too.

I should also note that the list of playable characters doesn't indicate the only series being represented. For instance, Gran Turismo and WipEout spring to mind as series I'd love to represent with either music or a stage - plus plenty of other inclusions, too.

With all that said... what are your thoughts? Would you be happy with this if it were to be an actual thing?

Let's go over this one topic at a time.

Returning Characters: Despite not having much personal experience with the first PS All-Stars game, if not at all, I will admit that these veterans are the best out of the previous title's roster. At the very least, you got down all the ones I would have used if I played that game.

Cut Characters: I'm talking about Cole McGrath's two versions, Big Daddy, Colonel Radec, Raiden, Fat Princess, Nariko, Isaac Clarke, Heihachi, Emmett Graves, and Zeus. Honestly, Basic Cole McGrath, Big Daddy, Raiden, and Heihachi are the only ones I would genuinely miss.

Evil Cole, Fat Princess, Colonel Radec, Nariko, Isaac Clarke, Emmett Graves, and Zeus? You can throw those out onto the street and I won't shed a tear. Well, okay. Maybe I'd feel sorry for Fat Princess, Radec, and Isaac Clarke. But even then, that's four one-and-dones I'd even toss into the dumpster on my own.

Newcomers: If Sony didn't think Evil Cole McGrath was worthy of his own character slot, I would have hoped they can include Cole back in the DLC. But since they did try that stunt, I welcome Fetch these days.

Alucard as a replacement for Raiden, and Jin taking over for his grandfather? I'd see both of these as improvements. Heck, by choosing Alucard over Richter, and Jin over Kazuya, you've made smarter equivalents to double-dipping franchises than the first game had.

The Slayer of Demons being Sir Daniel's rival. That just works so well.

I concur on Aloy's obviousness as far as first-party newcomers are concerned.

Jin Sakai and Dart? Hell yeah. The former tackles an underutilized PlayStation IP, while the latter fixes one of the biggest mistakes its predecessor attempted. Reworking Dante's looks is another one that has been rectified this time.

On the other hand, both Hatapon and Vibri are surprise picks in my book. Who expected a PSP character to show up? If I may be honest, I think they look off in the angles you chose to display them in. Maybe Vibri's because of her overall design, though.

Crash Bandicoot. If this guy had missed the boat for the second game, you would have never seen the sunrise tomorrow morning. Still, he does outmatch Spyro on equal levels.

Finally, we have Lara Croft. She's a fantastic character to end this base roster on, assuming this is just the base roster.

As for the DLC, I would assume Spyro, a Monster Hunter or Street Fighter rep, Lammy, a second God of War character, Nero, Cole McGrath, the Bloodborne Hunter, Wander, an Overwatch rep, Heihachi, Big Daddy, a Persona rep, Bomberman, Tifa, and Majima would make for a crowded suggestions box. Why, that list altogether would fill up two-thirds of a whole new game entirely!

KneeOfJustice99 · Jun 19, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
Let's go over this one topic at a time.

Returning Characters: Despite not having much personal experience with the first PS All-Stars game, if not at all, I will admit that these veterans are the best out of the previous title's roster. At the very least, you got down all the ones I would have used if I played that game.

Cut Characters: I'm talking about Cole McGrath's two versions, Big Daddy, Colonel Radec, Raiden, Fat Princess, Nariko, Isaac Clarke, Heihachi, Emmett Graves, and Zeus. Honestly, Basic Cole McGrath, Big Daddy, Raiden, and Heihachi are the only ones I would genuinely miss.

Evil Cole, Fat Princess, Colonel Radec, Nariko, Isaac Clarke, Emmett Graves, and Zeus? You can throw those out onto the street and I won't shed a tear. Well, okay. Maybe I'd feel sorry for Fat Princess, Radec, and Isaac Clarke. But even then, that's four one-and-dones I'd even toss into the dumpster on my own.

Newcomers: If Sony didn't think Evil Cole McGrath was worthy of his own character slot, I would have hoped they can include Cole back in the DLC. But since they did try that stunt, I welcome Fetch these days.

Alucard as a replacement for Raiden, and Jin taking over for his grandfather? I'd see both of these as improvements. Heck, by choosing Alucard over Richter, and Jin over Kazuya, you've made smarter equivalents to double-dipping franchises than the first game had.

The Slayer of Demons being Sir Daniel's rival. That just works so well.

I concur on Aloy's obviousness as far as first-party newcomers are concerned.

Jin Sakai and Dart? Hell yeah. The former tackles an underutilized PlayStation IP, while the latter fixes one of the biggest mistakes its predecessor attempted. Reworking Dante's looks is another one that has been rectified this time.

On the other hand, both Hatapon and Vibri are surprise picks in my book. Who expected a PSP character to show up? If I may be honest, I think they look off in the angles you chose to display them in. Maybe Vibri's because of her overall design, though.

Crash Bandicoot. If this guy had missed the boat for the second game, you would have never seen the sunrise tomorrow morning. Still, he does outmatch Spyro on equal levels.

Finally, we have Lara Croft. She's a fantastic character to end this base roster on, assuming this is just the base roster.

As for the DLC, I would assume Spyro, a Monster Hunter or Street Fighter rep, Lammy, a second God of War character, Nero, Cole McGrath, the Bloodborne Hunter, Wander, an Overwatch rep, Heihachi, Big Daddy, a Persona rep, Bomberman, Tifa, and Majima would make for a crowded suggestions box. Why, that list altogether would fill up two-thirds of a whole new game entirely!

I actually wasn't originally planning to fully flesh out what DLC would look like, but thanks for inspiring me! Truth be told, I ended up giving this lineup a lot of thought, and whilst the ideas I postulated as potentials within the original were mostly just spitballing, this is what I reckon a DLC lineup could look like. Full disclosure - the "realism" rule kind of remains in place, as well as it being the case that, with DLC, two characters release at once (just like they did originally.)

Season One:
I wanted Season One to be something that'd get people talking, but also fill out an obvious missing character from the roster. Oh, and Spyro too. Jokes aside, Abe's inclusion felt pretty natural to me - the Oddworld series was always a popular one back in the PS1 days, and Abe himself was actually a planned DLC character alongside Dart in the original game prior to services ending. Spyro, as I've mentioned, was originally snubbed for the sake of Crash - but I ended up including him here because it just made too much sense.

Season Two:
Whilst Tifa is obviously the headlining inclusion, I felt that Robbit would be an important character to include at some point, but couldn't really justify him on the base roster. I did wonder whether he'd be too obscure as a DLC pick, but I think he'd be cool - plus, Jumping Flash! is a pretty important part of Sony's history with the PlayStation brand. Tifa herself is picked mostly as cross-promotion for Final Fantasy VII Remake, though I came close to including Cloud, Vivi, a Chocobo, Tidus, Lightning or even Squall. She felt like a natural fit for a fighting game and I think she'd be a popular, but slightly unexpected, inclusion.

Season Three:
By this point I reckon we'd already have a solid userbase, so our two picks here are mostly chosen as popular fan-favourite picks. Wander is our Team ICO rep, being simultaneously a great character to represent the PS2 and PS4 eras, and he has a lot of potential what with the various items and skills present in Shadow of the Colossus. Conversely, Hero Prinny is picked from the Disgaea series because it's been one with a constant relationship with PlayStation, and I felt it'd be a little unexpected compared to something like Persona. As for why Hero Prinny was picked - it's partially because the Prinnys are the icon of Nippon Ichi Software, and also... just look at Etna's design, it'd be difficult to keep a low rating on the game with that in mind.

Season Four:
Last season, and we're rounding out with heavy hitters. Whilst I considered a Street Fighter or Monster Hunter character as Capcom's second character, the Resident Evil series has been a major part of the PS1 lineup and continues today, still going strong. I also felt a horror rep was sorely needed on the roster as is, and whilst I very much did consider a Silent Hill character, Jill Valentine sprung out as an obvious, iconic inclusion. (Shoutout to Leon Kennedy, though!) Aside from her, I also included Goro Majima as an unexpected but popular (and arguably iconic) character from the Yakuza (or, nowadays, Like a Dragon) series. Apart from his really unique moveset potential and surprising nature, and the obvious fact that he'd be able to actually fight here unlike Kiryu given the latter refuses to hit women, I picked Majima over the perhaps more logical Ichiban because I think he'd be a solid rep for Yakuza's history on the PlayStation, plus he's a fan-favourite that I think SEGA would be fine with letting brawl the others here.

Maybe this was a little less realistic (and a little more third-party heavy) than the base roster, but I feel like this is probably a good call for what DLC could reasonably look like. I actually did consider a few potential inclusions here - a Persona rep, as I mentioned, or even Bomberman actually almost made it in over Hero Prinny - but I felt this would be a solid lineup.

A final roster of 32 characters? Might be a little bit much, but I think it's not completely unreasonable (even if, in total, 10 of those 32 characters are from third-parties - with a total of 8 companies getting involved, being Capcom, Konami, Activision-Blizzard, Bandai-Namco, Embracer Group, Square-Enix, Nippon Ichi Software and SEGA.) It seems to cover at least the vast majority of the bases, even if I will admit I went a little heavy on PS1-based representation (though, that being said, a lot of PS1-based characters did go on to have other appearances on later consoles.) Hope this is semi-reasonable!

Speed Weed · Jun 19, 2023

KneeOfJustice99 said:
With all that said... what are your thoughts? Would you be happy with this if it were to be an actual thing?

Honestly my only real criticism is that I think having PaRappa and Vibri in such a small base roster might be overkill

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 19, 2023

KneeOfJustice99 said:
I actually wasn't originally planning to fully flesh out what DLC would look like, but thanks for inspiring me! Truth be told, I ended up giving this lineup a lot of thought, and whilst the ideas I postulated as potentials within the original were mostly just spitballing, this is what I reckon a DLC lineup could look like. Full disclosure - the "realism" rule kind of remains in place, as well as it being the case that, with DLC, two characters release at once (just like they did originally.)

Season One:
I wanted Season One to be something that'd get people talking, but also fill out an obvious missing character from the roster. Oh, and Spyro too. Jokes aside, Abe's inclusion felt pretty natural to me - the Oddworld series was always a popular one back in the PS1 days, and Abe himself was actually a planned DLC character alongside Dart in the original game prior to services ending. Spyro, as I've mentioned, was originally snubbed for the sake of Crash - but I ended up including him here because it just made too much sense.

Season Two:
Whilst Tifa is obviously the headlining inclusion, I felt that Robbit would be an important character to include at some point, but couldn't really justify him on the base roster. I did wonder whether he'd be too obscure as a DLC pick, but I think he'd be cool - plus, Jumping Flash! is a pretty important part of Sony's history with the PlayStation brand. Tifa herself is picked mostly as cross-promotion for Final Fantasy VII Remake, though I came close to including Cloud, Vivi, a Chocobo, Tidus, Lightning or even Squall. She felt like a natural fit for a fighting game and I think she'd be a popular, but slightly unexpected, inclusion.

Season Three:
By this point I reckon we'd already have a solid userbase, so our two picks here are mostly chosen as popular fan-favourite picks. Wander is our Team ICO rep, being simultaneously a great character to represent the PS2 and PS4 eras, and he has a lot of potential what with the various items and skills present in Shadow of the Colossus. Conversely, Hero Prinny is picked from the Disgaea series because it's been one with a constant relationship with PlayStation, and I felt it'd be a little unexpected compared to something like Persona. As for why Hero Prinny was picked - it's partially because the Prinnys are the icon of Nippon Ichi Software, and also... just look at Etna's design, it'd be difficult to keep a low rating on the game with that in mind.

Season Four:
Last season, and we're rounding out with heavy hitters. Whilst I considered a Street Fighter or Monster Hunter character as Capcom's second character, the Resident Evil series has been a major part of the PS1 lineup and continues today, still going strong. I also felt a horror rep was sorely needed on the roster as is, and whilst I very much did consider a Silent Hill character, Jill Valentine sprung out as an obvious, iconic inclusion. (Shoutout to Leon Kennedy, though!) Aside from her, I also included Goro Majima as an unexpected but popular (and arguably iconic) character from the Yakuza (or, nowadays, Like a Dragon) series. Apart from his really unique moveset potential and surprising nature, and the obvious fact that he'd be able to actually fight here unlike Kiryu given the latter refuses to hit women, I picked Majima over the perhaps more logical Ichiban because I think he'd be a solid rep for Yakuza's history on the PlayStation, plus he's a fan-favourite that I think SEGA would be fine with letting brawl the others here.

Maybe this was a little less realistic (and a little more third-party heavy) than the base roster, but I feel like this is probably a good call for what DLC could reasonably look like. I actually did consider a few potential inclusions here - a Persona rep, as I mentioned, or even Bomberman actually almost made it in over Hero Prinny - but I felt this would be a solid lineup.

A final roster of 32 characters? Might be a little bit much, but I think it's not completely unreasonable (even if, in total, 10 of those 32 characters are from third-parties - with a total of 8 companies getting involved, being Capcom, Konami, Activision-Blizzard, Bandai-Namco, Embracer Group, Square-Enix, Nippon Ichi Software and SEGA.) It seems to cover at least the vast majority of the bases, even if I will admit I went a little heavy on PS1-based representation (though, that being said, a lot of PS1-based characters did go on to have other appearances on later consoles.) Hope this is semi-reasonable!

Season 1: Abe and Spyro
Season 2: Robbit and Tifa
Season 3: Wander and Hero Prinny
Season 4: Jill Valentine and Goro Majima

Spyro, Tifa, and Jill Valentine are the obvious season sellers, and arguably the ones that sell all the DLC by themselves. The other five fighters, while not mainstream characters, still have a lot of merit to being additional paid content after the fact.

Maybe I would have swapped Goro and Prinny, making it look that each season has a mainstream pick and a fan favorite pick. But any further choices could simply have been Seasons 5+ of the DLC cycle, just the same.

Like, I could have enjoyed having Tidus, Bomberman, and reps from Street Fighter, Monster Hunter, and Persona in Seasons 5-7, but that would have been too many downloadable fighters.

As a full product right now? 22 first-party characters, nine companies, basically each PlayStation console has a representative, and if we get a third game after this, just going with the partnerships they already have here would be enough to fuel a plethora of genres.

However, at the end of the day, this confirms my insane theory that the best choice for a Sony rep in Smash is Q*Bert. Because all the other good ones are taken for another in-house round.

FazDude · Jun 20, 2023

Alright, time to wrap this trilogy up - What if Brawl had Smash 4's roster size?

Before I get into the new blood of this roster, I decided to keep myself faithful to the original roster and make five cuts, so let's take a moment to honor the lost:

Dark Samus was a very tough cut, but with the Prime series on its way out, I decided to swap it with Zero Suit Samus.
Pichu was cut to make room for Plusle/Minun - more on them later. This is less of a cut and more of a rebranding, heh.
Black Shadow was cut due to F-Zero's star starting to fade by 2009.
Finally, Balloon Fighter and Mach Rider were cut just for not standing out as much to me. Don't worry, though - we have replacement retro reps.

Now, onto our final batch of newcomers! Please note that in this timeline, Brawl would be given an extra year of dev time.

First things first, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda/Tetra, and Plusle/Minun all join the roster to make up the Forbidden Seven ensemble. Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, and Roy were all part of previous rosters.
- On a brief tangent about Plusle/Minun, they'd remain mostly the same as Pichu with a few changes. This could allow Pichu to return as a costume if wanted.
With WarioWare becoming more popular and hitting home consoles by Brawl's release, who better to represent it than the girl next door living in the haunted mansion, Ashley!
- As long as we're talking about Wario, he redons his plumber gear as his default costume due to Shake It having released by this point. However, his WarioWare garb is still an alternate costume!
Wolf gets to stick around as a Fox clone, but also joining the roster is the fighter he was made to replace, Krystal!
When deciding additional Pokemon reps (besides Lucario), I wanted to even out generation distribution while keeping a PokeTrainer team around. As such, I picked Dawn to be a Gen 4-centric fighter, mainly due to her role in the Pokemon anime.
Lucas joins the fight as a Ness semi-clone!
Not only does FE see Ike join the roster to fight for his friends, but Lyn also joins the party. I picked Lyn specifically since I think she's a fairly important character, having been a protagonist in FE's proper debut to the West.
Glass Joe joins in as this roster's "joke" character, being a Little Mac clone.
Pit joins in, awkward pre-Uprising design quirks and all!
ROB gets to come back too!
F-Type, Dr. Kawashima, Ryota, and Andy all join to represent the SNES, DS, N64, and GBA respectively.
Finally, while Snake and Sonic join in to kick off third-parties, I also gave each company an extra rep - Simon joins in due to Castlevania's Nintendo-heavy relationship, while Tails gets in as a cute nod to that old Melee rumor.

And... that's it! I had a lot of fun making this trilogy of alternate reality rosters - It was a nice challenge having to design rosters which were still realistic while offering a lot of fun picks that would get people excited. Hopefully, you've enjoyed these little thought experiments. I'm not planning on a Smash 4 with Ultimate's roster size, BTW; Wouldn't be as fun with only two years of characters to work with.

Pupp135 · Jun 20, 2023

FazDude said:
Alright, time to wrap this trilogy up - What if Brawl had Smash 4's roster size?

Before I get into the new blood of this roster, I decided to keep myself faithful to the original roster and make five cuts, so let's take a moment to honor the lost:

Dark Samus was a very tough cut, but with the Prime series on its way out, I decided to swap it with Zero Suit Samus.

Pichu was cut to make room for Plusle/Minun - more on them later. This is less of a cut and more of a rebranding, heh.

Black Shadow was cut due to F-Zero's star starting to fade by 2009.

Finally, Balloon Fighter and Mach Rider were cut just for not standing out as much to me. Don't worry, though - we have replacement retro reps.

Now, onto our final batch of newcomers! Please note that in this timeline, Brawl would be given an extra year of dev time.

First things first, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda/Tetra, and Plusle/Minun all join the roster to make up the Forbidden Seven ensemble. Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, and Roy were all part of previous rosters.

On a brief tangent about Plusle/Minun, they'd remain mostly the same as Pichu with a few changes. This could allow Pichu to return as a costume if wanted.

With WarioWare becoming more popular and hitting home consoles by Brawl's release, who better to represent it than the girl next door living in the haunted mansion, Ashley!

As long as we're talking about Wario, he redons his plumber gear as his default costume due to Shake It having released by this point. However, his WarioWare garb is still an alternate costume!

Wolf gets to stick around as a Fox clone, but also joining the roster is the fighter he was made to replace, Krystal!

When deciding additional Pokemon reps (besides Lucario), I wanted to even out generation distribution while keeping a PokeTrainer team around. As such, I picked Dawn to be a Gen 4-centric fighter, mainly due to her role in the Pokemon anime.

Lucas joins the fight as a Ness semi-clone!

Not only does FE see Ike join the roster to fight for his friends, but Lyn also joins the party. I picked Lyn specifically since I think she's a fairly important character, having been a protagonist in FE's proper debut to the West.

Glass Joe joins in as this roster's "joke" character, being a Little Mac clone.

Pit joins in, awkward pre-Uprising design quirks and all!

ROB gets to come back too!

F-Type, Dr. Kawashima, Ryota, and Andy all join to represent the SNES, DS, N64, and GBA respectively.

Finally, while Snake and Sonic join in to kick off third-parties, I also gave each company an extra rep - Simon joins in due to Castlevania's Nintendo-heavy relationship, while Tails gets in as a cute nod to that old Melee rumor.

And... that's it! I had a lot of fun making this trilogy of alternate reality rosters - It was a nice challenge having to design rosters which were still realistic while offering a lot of fun picks that would get people excited. Hopefully, you've enjoyed these little thought experiments. I'm not planning on a Smash 4 with Ultimate's roster size, BTW; Wouldn't be as fun with only two years of characters to work with.

These choices are cool to see, and F-Type, Dr. kawashima, ans Ryota would be cool, obscure additions. I’ll finish out my choices for Expanded Brawl and SSB starting on the Gamecube.

Expanded Melee:

Ganon

Isaac

Krystal

(Solo), Lip

Takamaru

Secret Fighters: :toadnaani:

Isaac

Lip,

Takamaru

Here are the reasons for who I removed:
Dr. Mario, Young Link, Roy, and Pichu are cut for similar reasons.
Gooey feels like a low priority character given his lack of popularity after Melee.
Wolf is a lower priority veteran also.
Newcomers:
Bowser Jr. and Villager were rising all-stars.
Toon Link effectively replaced Young Link.
Zero Suit Samus is a little weird, but an armorless Samus was a recurring Easter Egg.
Instead of using starter pokemon, Pokemon Trainer would use the original Eeveelutions.
Krystal was requested.
Lucario, Lucas, and Ike promote newer games.
Takamaru is my next retro.
Isaac promotes newer series.
Snake, Sonic, and Pac-Man are based on different requests.
I thought about Ridley and K. Rool, but having them as bosses seems cool.

SSB 3 on the Wii U/3DS (I assume the delay stays, but the roster is smaller as I have fewer veterans):

Krystal

Secret Fighters:

DLC Fighters: Isaac

The cuts remain the same.
Honestly, I’m fine keeping the newcomers as they were.
Instead of Dr. Mario, Daisy joins as she’s a Peach alt, so why not.
DLC is mostly the same, but I decided to add Isaac in Mewtwo’s place as he seems cool.

SSB Ultimate (I’ll just add newcomers)
Base Game:

DLC:

Tidus(

)

Alph was an Olimar alt already.
I replaced Piranha Plant with a retro character.
I just prefer Tidus over Sephiroth

HyperSomari64 · Jun 22, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
However, I am surprised your one fourth-party character to close out this game is Chuck E. Cheese, of all mascots. I get why, due to him and the Atari 2600 sharing the same creator, but I would have gone with Popeye or Scrooge McDuck myself.

If i was the Faz, i would replace him with E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial, for the significance of it's video game and being the Spotlight of one of the most unfortunate moments in gaming history.

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 22, 2023

HyperSomari64 said:
If i was the Faz, i would replace him with E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial, for the significance of it's video game and being the Spotlight of one of the most unfortunate moments in gaming history.

I can see why, and even outside the gaming industry, E.T. is a big name to grab for this.

BowserKing · Jun 22, 2023

Anyways, here is the assist character roaster for my Marvel Infinity Smash series. Now featuring bosses

Infinity Smash Brawl
1.Lizard
2.Mysterio
3.Rhino
4.Ice Man
5.Angel
6.Doc Samson
7.Shanna
8.Zemo
9.Daredevil (Promoted to Playable in Infinity Smash 4)
10.Mantis
11.Monica Rambeau
12.General Ross
13.Cosmo the Space Dog
14.Black Bolt
15.Crystal
16.Fin Fang Foom
17.Professor X
18.Colossus
19.Domino
20.Pip the Troll
21.Yondu
22.Titania
23.Nick Fury
24.Maria Hill
25.H.E.R.B.I.E
26.Mothra
27.Bane

Infinity Smash 4
1.Hazmat (Promoted to playable in Ultimate)
2.Reptil (Same as above)
3.Nighthawk
4.Mockingbird
5.M.O.D.O.K
6.Valkyre
7.Prowler
8.White Tiger
9.Iron Fist
10.Jessica Jones
11.Kingpin
12.Vulture
13.Mole Man
14.Mar Vell
15.Punisher
16.Lois Lane
17.Cheetah

Infinity Smash Ultimate
1.Adam Warlock
2.Wong
3.Negasonic Teenage Warhead
4.Blizzard
5.Whirlwind
6.Mary Jane
7.Shuri
8.Cloak
9.Dagger
10.Steg Ron
11.X-23
12.Hercules
13.Warriors 3
14.Nightcrawler
15.Impossible Man
16.Scarlet Beetle
17.Giganta
18.Beast Boy
19.Aquaman
20.Flash
21.Yoda
22.Bumblebee (Transformers)
23.Nemesis
24.Pheonix Wright
25.Anguirus
26.Starscream (Also a boss)

Bosses
Kang the Conquror (All 5 games)
Beyonder (Melee onwards)
Ultimate Goblin (Melee and Ultimate)
Absorbing Man (Brawl)
Shuma Gorath (See Above)
Ronan the Accuser (See Above)
Hydra Ship (Brawl and Ultimate)
Thanos (Brawl and Game 4, promoted to playable in Ultimate)
Dweller in Darkness (Brawl)
Galactus (See Above)
Red Skull (Game 4 and Ultimate)
Chitari Leviathan(Game 4 and Ultimate)
Celestial (Game 4)
Apocalypse (Ultimate)
Carnage (See above)
Starscream (See above)
King Ghidorah (See Above)

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 22, 2023

Super Smash Bros. Armageddon

1: Mario
2: Donkey Kong
3: Link
4: Samus
5: Kirby
6: Fox
7: Pikachu
8: Luigi
9: Bowser
10: Zelda
11: Marth
12: Ganondorf
13: Mewtwo
14: Pit
15: Wario
16: Sonic
17: King Dedede
18: Olimar
19: Mega Man
20: Little Mac
21: Pac-Man
22: Shulk
23: Cloud Strife
24: Inkling
25: Simon Belmont
26: Isabelle
27: Incineroar
28: Banjo and Kazooie
29: Byleth
30: Min Min

For this Smash roster, I'm taking a chainsaw to the bloated roster of Ultimate. I'm also reworking a lot of movesets for the characters that survive.

You read this list correctly. Most of the franchises only get one rep, except for Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby, and Fire Emblem. Kirby and FE only got two fighters, actually.

Plus, only a fifth of this lineup are from third-party developers, with only one character per company and cutting off the less mainstream devs as well.

I almost called this game Free-For Madness, named after the anti-pot movie Reefer Madness. But I chose something less adult for the subtitle.

What do you guys think?

Perkilator · Jun 22, 2023

I’m gonna make my own definitive editions of the Smash games, using characters who were confirmed to be considered/cut for their respective games (as many as I see feasible, anyway), along with hints of self-indulgence. Italics bold denotes unlockable characters.

Mario	Donkey Kong	Link	Samus	Yoshi	Kirby	Fox	Pikachu
Luigi	Bowser	Marth	Mewtwo	King Dedede	Ness	Captain Falcon	Jigglypuff

Rivalries

Mario vs. Luigi
Donkey Kong vs. Bowser
Link vs. Marth
Samus vs. Mewtwo
Yoshi vs. King Dedede
Kirby vs. Ness
Fox vs. Captain Falcon
Pikachu vs. Jigglypuff

Luigi	Mario	Bowser	Peach	Wario	Yoshi	Donkey Kong	Diddy Kong	Captain Falcon
Falco	Fox	Ness	Ice Climbers	Kirby	Samus	Zelda / Sheik	Link	Ganondorf
Mewtwo	Jigglypuff	Pikachu	Scizor	King Dedede	Mr. Game & Watch	Ayumi Tachibana	Marth	Roy

Mario	Donkey Kong	Link	Samus	Kirby	Fox	Pikachu	*Marth*	*Mr. Game & Watch*
*Luigi*	Diddy Kong	Zelda / Sheik	Pit	King Dedede	*Falco*	Pokémon Trainer	Ike	*DeMille*
Bowser	Yoshi	*Ganondorf*	Ice Climbers	Meta Knight	Wolf	*Lucario*	Ness	Snake
Peach	Wario	*Tetra*	*R.O.B.*	Olimar	*Captain Falcon*	*Jigglypuff*	Lucas	*Sonic*

3DS version

Mario	Luigi	Bowser	Peach	Rosalina & Luma	*Bowser Jr.*	Donkey Kong	Diddy Kong
Link	Zelda	Sheik	*Ganondorf*	Samus	Zero Suit Samus	Yoshi	Kirby
King Dedede	Meta Knight	Fox	*Falco*	Pikachu	Mewtwo	*Jigglypuff*	*Scizor*
Lucario	Greninja	*Ness*	Captain Falcon	Marth	Ike	Robin	*Wario*
Mr. Game & Watch	Pit	Palutena	*DeMIlle*	Villager	Little Mac	*Duck Hunt*	*Takamaru*
	Lucina	Dark Pit	Sonic	Mega Man	*PAC-MAN*	Mii Fighters

Wii U version

Mario	Luigi	Bowser	Peach	Rosalina & Luma	Bowser Jr.	Donkey Kong	Diddy Kong
Link	Zelda	Sheik	Ganondorf	Tetra	Samus	Zero Suit Samus	Yoshi
Kirby	King Dedede	Meta Knight	Fox	Falco	Pikachu	Mewtwo	*Jigglypuff*
*Scizor*	Lucario	Greninja	*Ness*	Captain Falcon	Marth	Ike	Ice Climbers
*Wario*	Pit	Palutena	Olimar / Alph	Villager	Wii Fit Trainer	Little Mac	Shulk
	Takamaru	Lucina	Sonic	Mega Man	PAC-MAN	Mii Fighters

Free updates

Tetra (3DS)	Popo / Nana (3DS)	Oimar / Alph (3DS)	Wii Fit Trainer (3DS)	Shulk (3DS)
Mr. Game & Watch (Wii U)	DeMille (Wii U)	Dark Pit (Wii U)	Robin (Wii U)	Duck Hunt (Wii U)

DLC

Rayman	Ryu	Lucas
Cloud	Roy	Azura
	Bayonetta

Base game

64	Melee	Bwl	for 3DS / Wii U	Newcomers	Echo Fighters
1. Mario 2. Donkey Kong 3. Link 4. Samus 5. Yoshi 6. Kirby 7. Fox 8. Pikachu 9. Luigi 10. Bowser 11. Marth 12. Mewtwo 13. King Dedede 14. Ness 15. Captain Falcon 16. Jigglypuff	17. Peach 18. Sheik 19. Zelda 20. Scizor 21. Ice Climbers 22. Wario 23. Diddy Kong 24. Ayumi 25. Ganondorf 26. Falco 27. Roy 28. Mr. Game & Watch	29. Meta Knight 30. Pit 31. Zero Suit Samus 32. Snake 33. Ike 34-36. Pokémon Trainer Totodile Grovyle Charizard 37. Lucas 38. Sonic 39. Olimar 40. Lucario 41. DeMille 42. R.O.B. 43. Tetra 44. Wolf	45. Villager 46. Mega Man 47. Wii Fit Trainer 48. Rosalina & Luma 49. Little Mac 50. Greninja 51-53. Mii Fighters Brawler Swordfighter Gunner 54. Palutena 55. PAC-MAN 56. Robin 57. Shulk 58. Bowser Jr. 59. Takamaru 60. Duck Hunt 61. Rayman 62. Ryu 63. Cloud 64. Azura 65. Bayonetta	66. Inkling 67. Simon / Trevor 68. Alucard 69. Ridley 70. King K. Rool 71-72. Pyra / Mythra 73. Bandana Waddle Dee 74. Incineroar 75. Waluigi	(4ε.) Dark Samus (11ε.) Lucina (13ε.) Dry Bowser (15ε.) Black Shadow (17ε.) Daisy (23ε.) Dixie Kong (27ε.) Chrom (30ε.) Dark Pit (38ε.) Shadow (39ε.) Alph (49ε.) Glass Joe (56ε.) Celica (62ε.) Ken

DLC

FIghters Pass Vol. 1	Fighters Pass Vol. 2
76. Joker 77. Slime 78. Crash Bandicoot 79. Estelle Bright 80. Terry Bogard 81. Banjo & Kazooie	82. Min Min 83. Steve 84. Sephiroth 85. Kazuya 86. Dr. Eggman 87. Sora

Wademan94 · Jun 22, 2023

I’m assuming ideas for a purely Pokémon platform fighter wouldn’t work here, right?

FazDude · Jun 22, 2023

Wademan94 said:
I’m assuming ideas for a purely Pokémon platform fighter wouldn’t work here, right?

Those should be allowed - This is a thread for any kind of roster you’d like!

Wademan94 · Jun 22, 2023

Ok then.

I only did 60 characters atm since I’m working on writing out movesets for all of them (and planning on detailing them as a thread on Discord)

Venusaur
Charizard
Blastoise
Pikachu
Meowth
Machamp
Gengar
Mewtwo
Totodile
Quagsire
Scizor
Sneasel
Smeargle
Tyranitar
Grovyle
Blaziken
Gardevoir
Absol
Metagross
Empoleon
Bidoof
Luxray
Vespiquen
Garchomp
Lucario
Darkrai
Serperior
Chandelure
Bisharp
Meloetta
Genesect
Braixen
Greninja
Aegislash
Sylveon
Hawlucha
Noivern
Diancie
Decidueye
Primarina
Alolan Vulpix
Silvally
Mimikyu
Tapu Koko
Cinderace
Corviknight
Wooloo
Toxtricity
Grimmsnarl
Mr. Rime
Dragapult
Kleavor
Meowscarada
Pawmot
Tinkaton
Palafin
Revaroom
Annihilape
Chien-Pao
Miraidon

I might do an extended one of 151 for the hell of it but I won’t do moves for that one.

Perkilator · Jun 23, 2023

Perkilator said:
I’m gonna make my own definitive editions of the Smash games, using characters who were confirmed to be considered/cut for their respective games (as many as I see feasible, anyway), along with hints of self-indulgence. Italics bold denotes unlockable characters.

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Luigi
Ness
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Bowser
King Dedede
Marth
Mewtwo

Rivalries

Mario vs. Luigi

Donkey Kong vs. Bowser

Link vs. Marth

Samus vs. Mewtwo

Yoshi vs. King Dedede

Kirby vs. Ness

Fox vs. Captain Falcon

Pikachu vs. Jigglypuff

Luigi
Mario
Bowser
Peach
Wario
Yoshi
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Captain Falcon
Falco
Fox
Ness
Ice Climbers
Kirby
Samus
Zelda / Sheik
Link
Ganondorf
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Pikachu
Scizor
King Dedede
Mr. Game & Watch
Ayumi Tachibana
Marth
Roy

Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Marth
Mr. Game & Watch
Luigi
Diddy Kong
Zelda / Sheik
Pit
King Dedede
Falco
Pokémon Trainer
Ike
DeMille
Bowser
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
Meta Knight
Wolf
Lucario
Ness
Snake
Peach
Wario
Tetra
R.O.B.
Olimar
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Lucas
Sonic

3DS version

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Rosalina & Luma
Bowser Jr.
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Link
Zelda
Sheik
Ganondorf
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Fox
Falco
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Scizor
Lucario
Greninja
Ness
Captain Falcon
Marth
Ike
Robin
Wario
Mr. Game & Watch
Pit
Palutena
DeMIlle
Villager
Little Man
Duck Hunt
Takamaru

Lucina
Dark Pit
Sonic
Mega Man
PAC-MAN
Mii Fighters

Wii U version

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Rosalina & Luma
Bowser Jr.
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Link
Zelda
Sheik
Ganondorf
Tetra
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Yoshi
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Fox
Falco
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff
Scizor
Lucario
Greninja
Ness
Captain Falcon
Marth
Ike
Ice Climbers
Wario
Pit
Palutena
Olimar / Alph
Villager
Wii Fit Trainer
Little Mac
Shulk

Takamaru
Lucina
Sonic
Mega Man
PAC-MAN
Mii Fighters

Free updates

Tetra (3DS)
Popo / Nana (3DS)
Oimar / Alph (3DS)
Wii Fit Trainer (3DS)
Shulk (3DS)
Mr. Game & Watch (Wii U)
DeMille (Wii U)
Dark Pit (Wii U)
Robin (Wii U)
Duck Hunt (Wii U)

DLC

Rayman
Ryu
Lucas
Cloud
Roy
Azura

Bayonetta

Base game

64 Melee Bwl for 3DS / Wii U Newcomers Echo Fighters

1. Mario

2. Donkey Kong

3. Link

4. Samus

5. Yoshi

6. Kirby

7. Fox

8. Pikachu

9. Luigi

10. Ness

11. Captain Falcon

12. Jigglypuff

13. Bowser

14. King Dedede

15. Marth

16. Mewtwo

17. Peach

18. Sheik

19. Zelda

20. Scizor

21. Ice Climbers

22. Wario

23. Diddy Kong

24. Ayumi

25. Ganondorf

26. Falco

27. Roy

28. Mr. Game & Watch

29. Meta Knight

30. Pit

31. Zero Suit Samus

32. Snake

33. Ike

34-36. Pokémon Trainer

Totodile

Grovyle

Charizard

37. Lucas

38. Sonic

39. Olimar

40. Lucario

41. DeMille

42. R.O.B.

43. Tetra

44. Wolf

45. Villager

46. Mega Man

47. Wii Fit Trainer

48. Rosalina & Luma

49. Little Mac

50. Greninja

51-53. Mii Fighters

Brawler

Swordfighter

Gunner

54. Palutena

55. PAC-MAN

56. Robin

57. Shulk

58. Bowser Jr.

59. Takamaru

60. Duck Hunt

61. Rayman

62. Ryu

63. Cloud

64. Azura

65. Bayonetta

66. Inkling

67. Simon / Trevor

68. Alucard

69. Ridley

70. King K. Rool

71-72. Pyra / Mythra

73. Bandana Waddle Dee

74. Incineroar

75. Waluigi

(4ε.) Dark Samus

(11ε.) Black Shadow

(13ε.) Dry Bowser

(15ε.) Lucina

(17ε.) Daisy

(23ε.) Dixie Kong

(27ε.) Chrom

(30ε.) Dark Pit

(38ε.) Shadow

(39ε.) Alph

(49ε.) Glass Joe

(56ε.) Celica

(62ε.) Ken

DLC

FIghters Pass Vol. 1 Fighters Pass Vol. 2

76. Joker

77. Slime

78. Crash Bandicoot

79. Estelle Bright

80. Terry Bogard

81. Banjo & Kazooie

82. Min Min

83. Steve

84. Sephiroth

85. Kazuya

86. Dr. Eggman

87. Sora

Finally finished this, in case you missed it.

Qwerty UIOP · Jun 23, 2023

Update on my KH x YouTubething from earlier. I'm starting this series from Birth by Sleep then going chronologically onwards(And I'll get to Union Cross and Dark Road after III). And to give you guys a sneak peak, I'm going to list off the replacements for the Disney worlds for BBS:

Comicron One (Replacing Enchanted Dominion)
Journey to the West (Replacing Castle of Dreams)
All Hallow's Town (Replacing Dwarf Woodlands)
Dream Island (Replacing Disney Town)
Hermitville (Replacing Olympus Colliseum)
Game Land (Replacing Deep Space)
Submerged Sherwood (Replacing Neverland)

Not all of the worlds will be 1:1, for example, none of the characters from Dream Island will be this universe's Mickey,Donald, Goofy, Pete,etc.

Stay tuned.

LoZ00 · Jun 23, 2023

There is this silly idea I've had in the back of my mind for a few weeks and I now have found the time and will to make it.
So what if the Super Smash Bros. series was on handheld instead of console? So far, I have only made a roster for the GB and one for the GBA, but I'm willing to make one for the DS as well. So, without any further ado, let's-a-go!

Release date: January 21, 1999 (Japan)
Predictably so, the roster is quite small, as it only features six characters. I imagine that the game's engine would be very primitive and that the player would be only allowed to move, jump, double jump, and attack in four different directions (neutral, side, up, down). No tilts, smashes, or specials here, as the console only has two buttons. There's no grabbing or shielding either! The game would feature only three modes: Smash, Board the Platform (using the actual stages instead of dedicated ones), and 1P Game. Regular Smash could be played in free-for-all or in 1-on-1, the latter even with another player using the link cable. Only Stock matches are available, with the ability to choose between 1 and 6 stocks.
In order to make the engine even more simple, I'd divide the characters into three weight tiers: light (Kirby and Pikachu), medium (Mario and Link), and heavy (Samus and DK). The two characters in the same weight tier share the exact same weight. Finally, I'd give each character the exact same walking speed and jump height. I don't know if Kirby could be an exception, by giving him multiple midair jumps, but I'd be fine too even without it. If this game were ever to exist, it would be a small miracle, so I'd gladly sacrifice a bit of the characters' individual personality in order to fit all of them in.

Mario is of course present as the balanced, easy-to-pick character. He'd have very simple moves, but I'd still give him a few references, like a fireball for his down ground attack, or a hammer swing for his side ground attack. Mario's down aerial attack would definitely be his iconic stomp.
Link is another middleweight fighter, with a penchant for projectiles: he'd still use the bow, the bomb, the boomerang, and the fire rod even if the game doesn't feature special attacks. However, Link's shield wouldn't block incoming attacks, avoiding any unnecessary interactions.
Samus is our first heavyweight fighter. She is even more reliant on projectiles than Link, meaning that she has a hard time KO'ing her opponents unless she can find ways to shut down their recovery.
Kirby is a lightweight fighter. He'd probably lack his multiple midair jumps, but something I'm not ok excluding are his iconic copy abilities. Unlike in Smash, Kirby would gain copy abilities that are taken from his Kirby's Dream Land 2, depending on the inhaled character:
- Mario --> Burning
- Link --> Cutter
- Samus --> Ice
- Pikachu --> Spark
- DK --> Stone

His other attacks would be based on other copy abilities, items from Kirby's Dream Land, or be made up.

Pikachu is an unlockable character. It'd have attacks based on a few Pokémon moves it can learn in Pokémon Red and Green Versions, namely Thunderbolt, Swift, Tail Whip, and Thunder. Yup, I'm giving Pikachu Thunder. It'd be a lot smaller, however.
Donkey Kong is our final character, and he's another unlockable one. He'd be the largest fighter, meaning he is an easy target to hit, but he'd make up for it in raw strength, being by far the strongest fighter in the roster. His down ground attack has him throw a barrel, meaning that he doesn't even lack a projectile!

Release date: January 21, 2003
This game would be released more than a full year after Melee. That is because I believe that the GBA would require some mileage before releasing a title like this, namely in the Pokémon department, a series that is growing to be larger and larger.
As for the roster, this iteration has 12 characters (double the amount of the first title), including all 6 veterans and adding 6 new characters, all coming from franchises that have had (as of the release date) games on the GBA.
In terms of gameplay, the term "Advance" in the game's title isn't just for showing: this version is an advanced version of its predecessor in every way: characters can now grab, shield, and dodge, have individual stats (as opposed to sharing walking speed, jumping height, and weight with other fighters), and even boast 3 recolors. Oh, the game itself is now colored (I'd imagine that on the GBC, the characters would just have some basic palettes based on the stage they're fighting in). Characters have also voice lines, though only a very few. Finally, characters can now charge some specific attacks, à la MultiVersus.
About modes, the game would retain the predecessor's Smash, Board the Platform, and 1P Game, all with some changes. For starters, Smash now gives the players the ability to play Time matches, to combine Time and Stocks, to play Team Matches (Blue v. Red teams only), and to connect with up to three friends for some 4-players action, while Board the Platform features three original stages, each for a specific difficulty setting (Normal, Hard, Very Hard).
Three new modes are Multi-Man Smash, which is essentially Infinite Smash, Break the Targets, which again features three original stages, designed for the three difficulties in mind, and All-Stars Mode, which pits the player against all the fighters in the game without any break.

Mario returns, relatively unchanged, aside for a couple of new moves that reference the Raccoon Tail from Super Mario Advance 4, which would be released a few months after Smash Advance.
Luigi is a newcomer, being a full clone of Mario, with a few differences here and there, mostly in his stats. Generally, Luigi is weaker than Mario, but is faster and more agile than his brother. Luigi was one character I wish I could have added in the previous title, but I can't see him working on the GB: it would be impossible to distinguish between him and Mario.
Link's design is now based on A Link to the Past, which saw a remake on the GBA. Additionally, Link now is able to block incoming projectiles with his shield.
Samus's design has been overhauled too, now being based on Metroid Fusion, the newest entry in the franchise. Most of her attacks are unchanged, but she'd use a few attacks from Fusion here and there. She'd also boast the powerful Grapple Beam.
Kirby's copy abilities are now based on Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land and are as follow:
- Mario --> Fire
- Luigi --> Hammer
- Link --> Cutter
- Samus --> Beam
- Pikachu --> Spark
- Donkey Kong --> Backdrop
- Eliwood --> Sword
- Isaac --> Stone
- Nell --> Bomb
- Metagross --> Burning (due to the fact that Metagross is partially based on meteors)

He also gains the corresponding hats!

Pikachu forgot Tail Whip and learned how to use Volt Tackle! That's some real upgrade in power, isn't it?
DK returns relatively unchanged, but the ability to charge some attacks is appreciated by a heavy hitter like him.
Eliwood is our Fire Emblem representative, being from the still unreleased Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade. I'd say that the series hasn't arrived overseas yet, to Eliwood would basically be the equivalent of Marth and Roy in Melee. He'd retain Marth's elegant fighting style without the tipper.
Wario is our first unlockable fighter. His appearance would mostly be based on Wario Land, considering that he has had way more appearances with that style than WarioWare. Notably, Wario Land 4 would have been released, meaning he has a clear source of his moveset.
Isaac is another unlockable fighter and he'd be a bit of a gamble, though I believe that his uniqueness is more than enough to warrant a spot on the roster. He'd trade some of Eliwood's speed for power and magic.
If you had a nickel for every time LoZ00 has added Nell to one of his roster, you'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. She'd be another unlockable character, summoning soldiers to fight for her.
Finally, Metagross is our last (unlockable) character, and our second Pokémon. I chose it because I wanted a Gen 3 Pokémon and the ace of the Champion Steven Stone felt fitting. Metagross would also be the heaviest fighter in the game, though not the largest, as that title would probably still belong to DK.

I'm planning to do a sequel for the Nintendo DS, so maybe stay tuned (I can't promise anything).

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye · Jun 23, 2023

LoZ00 said:
There is this silly idea I've had in the back of my mind for a few weeks and I now have found the time and will to make it.
So what if the Super Smash Bros. series was on handheld instead of console? So far, I have only made a roster for the GB and one for the GBA, but I'm willing to make one for the DS as well. So, without any further ado, let's-a-go!
View attachment 373785

Release date: January 21, 1999 (Japan)
Predictably so, the roster is quite small, as it only features six characters. I imagine that the game's engine would be very primitive and that the player would be only allowed to move, jump, double jump, and attack in four different directions (neutral, side, up, down). No tilts, smashes, or specials here, as the console only has two buttons. There's no grabbing or shielding either! The game would feature only three modes: Smash, Board the Platform (using the actual stages instead of dedicated ones), and 1P Game. Regular Smash could be played in free-for-all or in 1-on-1, the latter even with another player using the link cable. Only Stock matches are available, with the ability to choose between 1 and 6 stocks.
In order to make the engine even more simple, I'd divide the characters into three weight tiers: light (Kirby and Pikachu), medium (Mario and Link), and heavy (Samus and DK). The two characters in the same weight tier share the exact same weight. Finally, I'd give each character the exact same walking speed and jump height. I don't know if Kirby could be an exception, by giving him multiple midair jumps, but I'd be fine too even without it. If this game were ever to exist, it would be a small miracle, so I'd gladly sacrifice a bit of the characters' individual personality in order to fit all of them in.

Mario is of course present as the balanced, easy-to-pick character. He'd have very simple moves, but I'd still give him a few references, like a fireball for his down ground attack, or a hammer swing for his side ground attack. Mario's down aerial attack would definitely be his iconic stomp.

Link is another middleweight fighter, with a penchant for projectiles: he'd still use the bow, the bomb, the boomerang, and the fire rod even if the game doesn't feature special attacks. However, Link's shield wouldn't block incoming attacks, avoiding any unnecessary interactions.

Samus is our first heavyweight fighter. She is even more reliant on projectiles than Link, meaning that she has a hard time KO'ing her opponents unless she can find ways to shut down their recovery.

Kirby is a lightweight fighter. He'd probably lack his multiple midair jumps, but something I'm not ok excluding are his iconic copy abilities. Unlike in Smash, Kirby would gain copy abilities that are taken from his Kirby's Dream Land 2, depending on the inhaled character:

Mario --> Burning

Link --> Cutter

Samus --> Ice

Pikachu --> Spark

DK --> Stone

His other attacks would be based on other copy abilities, items from Kirby's Dream Land, or be made up.

Pikachu is an unlockable character. It'd have attacks based on a few Pokémon moves it can learn in Pokémon Red and Green Versions, namely Thunderbolt, Swift, Tail Whip, and Thunder. Yup, I'm giving Pikachu Thunder. It'd be a lot smaller, however.

Donkey Kong is our final character, and he's another unlockable one. He'd be the largest fighter, meaning he is an easy target to hit, but he'd make up for it in raw strength, being by far the strongest fighter in the roster. His down ground attack has him throw a barrel, meaning that he doesn't even lack a projectile!

View attachment 373786

Release date: January 21, 2003
This game would be released more than a full year after Melee. That is because I believe that the GBA would require some mileage before releasing a title like this, namely in the Pokémon department, a series that is growing to be larger and larger.
As for the roster, this iteration has 12 characters (double the amount of the first title), including all 6 veterans and adding 6 new characters, all coming from franchises that have had (as of the release date) games on the GBA.
In terms of gameplay, the term "Advance" in the game's title isn't just for showing: this version is an advanced version of its predecessor in every way: characters can now grab, shield, and dodge, have individual stats (as opposed to sharing walking speed, jumping height, and weight with other fighters), and even boast 3 recolors. Oh, the game itself is now colored (I'd imagine that on the GBC, the characters would just have some basic palettes based on the stage they're fighting in). Characters have also voice lines, though only a very few. Finally, characters can now charge some specific attacks, à la MultiVersus.
About modes, the game would retain the predecessor's Smash, Board the Platform, and 1P Game, all with some changes. For starters, Smash now gives the players the ability to play Time matches, to combine Time and Stocks, to play Team Matches (Blue v. Red teams only), and to connect with up to three friends for some 4-players action, while Board the Platform features three original stages, each for a specific difficulty setting (Normal, Hard, Very Hard).
Three new modes are Multi-Man Smash, which is essentially Infinite Smash, Break the Targets, which again features three original stages, designed for the three difficulties in mind, and All-Stars Mode, which pits the player against all the fighters in the game without any break.

Mario returns, relatively unchanged, aside for a couple of new moves that reference the Raccoon Tail from Super Mario Advance 4, which would be released a few months after Smash Advance.

Luigi is a newcomer, being a full clone of Mario, with a few differences here and there, mostly in his stats. Generally, Luigi is weaker than Mario, but is faster and more agile than his brother. Luigi was one character I wish I could have added in the previous title, but I can't see him working on the GB: it would be impossible to distinguish between him and Mario.

Link's design is now based on A Link to the Past, which saw a remake on the GBA. Additionally, Link now is able to block incoming projectiles with his shield.

Samus's design has been overhauled too, now being based on Metroid Fusion, the newest entry in the franchise. Most of her attacks are unchanged, but she'd use a few attacks from Fusion here and there. She'd also boast the powerful Grapple Beam.

Kirby's copy abilities are now based on Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land and are as follow:

Mario --> Fire

Luigi --> Hammer

Link --> Cutter

Samus --> Beam

Pikachu --> Spark

Donkey Kong --> Backdrop

Eliwood --> Sword

Isaac --> Stone

Nell --> Bomb

Metagross --> Burning (due to the fact that Metagross is partially based on meteors)

He also gains the corresponding hats!

Pikachu forgot Tail Whip and learned how to use Volt Tackle! That's some real upgrade in power, isn't it?

DK returns relatively unchanged, but the ability to charge some attacks is appreciated by a heavy hitter like him.

Eliwood is our Fire Emblem representative, being from the still unreleased Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade. I'd say that the series hasn't arrived overseas yet, to Eliwood would basically be the equivalent of Marth and Roy in Melee. He'd retain Marth's elegant fighting style without the tipper.

Wario is our first unlockable fighter. His appearance would mostly be based on Wario Land, considering that he has had way more appearances with that style than WarioWare. Notably, Wario Land 4 would have been released, meaning he has a clear source of his moveset.

Isaac is another unlockable fighter and he'd be a bit of a gamble, though I believe that his uniqueness is more than enough to warrant a spot on the roster. He'd trade some of Eliwood's speed for power and magic.

If you had a nickel for every time LoZ00 has added Nell to one of his roster, you'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. She'd be another unlockable character, summoning soldiers to fight for her.

Finally, Metagross is our last (unlockable) character, and our second Pokémon. I chose it because I wanted a Gen 3 Pokémon and the ace of the Champion Steven Stone felt fitting. Metagross would also be the heaviest fighter in the game, though not the largest, as that title would probably still belong to DK.

I'm planning to do a sequel for the Nintendo DS, so maybe stay tuned (I can't promise anything).

This is certainly a surprise to me. Nevertheless, I'm intrigued.

Smash Bros. on the Game Boy would likely be an Exhibit as to why the GBA needed to happen, because that's just limiting itself.

However, I will say positively that the six characters you did choose were the best picks from that era. Mario, DK, Link, Samus, Kirby, and Pikachu. The best of the best.

Giving Kirby some real copy abilities just sounds so good. Might even be worth trying out this obviously truncated gameplay.

Only two unlockable characters? Ouch. Luckily, they're Pikachu and Donkey Kong.

Right off the bat, the GBA sequel improves over its predecessor.

Our six newcomers are Luigi, Eliwood, Wario, Isaac, Nell, and Metagross. Honestly, the most irreplacable ones are Luigi, Wario, and Isaac. And even then, Isaac might be debatable.

As for the third entry on the 3DS, mind if I give you some suggestions for that game's newcomers?

Yoshi
Fox
Ness
Captain Falcon
Bowser
Peach
Ganondorf
Mewtwo
Mr. Game and Watch
Pit
Ike
Charizard
Diddy Kong
King Dedede
Lucas (It's either him or Ness, admittedly.)
Olimar
Lucario
Toon Link
Villager
Little Mac
Duck Hunt Dog
King K. Rool
Sonic
Pac-Man
Mega Man
Ryu
Banjo and Kazooie

I know not everyone there would make it in, and some of them might never get the chance. But I'm just throwing stuff out from the actual console rosters.

LoZ00 · Jun 24, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
This is certainly a surprise to me. Nevertheless, I'm intrigued.

Smash Bros. on the Game Boy would likely be an Exhibit as to why the GBA needed to happen, because that's just limiting itself.

However, I will say positively that the six characters you did choose were the best picks from that era. Mario, DK, Link, Samus, Kirby, and Pikachu. The best of the best.

Giving Kirby some real copy abilities just sounds so good. Might even be worth trying out this obviously truncated gameplay.

Only two unlockable characters? Ouch. Luckily, they're Pikachu and Donkey Kong.

Right off the bat, the GBA sequel improves over its predecessor.

Our six newcomers are Luigi, Eliwood, Wario, Isaac, Nell, and Metagross. Honestly, the most irreplacable ones are Luigi, Wario, and Isaac. And even then, Isaac might be debatable.

As for the third entry on the 3DS, mind if I give you some suggestions for that game's newcomers?

Yoshi

Fox

Ness

Captain Falcon

Bowser

Peach

Ganondorf

Mewtwo

Mr. Game and Watch

Pit

Ike

Charizard

Diddy Kong

King Dedede

Lucas (It's either him or Ness, admittedly.)

Olimar

Lucario

Toon Link

Villager

Little Mac

Duck Hunt Dog

King K. Rool

Sonic

Pac-Man

Mega Man

Ryu

Banjo and Kazooie

I know not everyone there would make it in, and some of them might never get the chance. But I'm just throwing stuff out from the actual console rosters.

The characters I selected were chosen, especially for the GBA, thinking about the games released on that handheld. So that’s why we have so many weird picks (namely Nell, Metagross, Eliwood, and Isaac).

About the amount of unlockable characters in Smash for the GB:
1. I couldn’t have had fewer than 4 starting characters, since you may want to play a free-for-all, but the GB doesn’t support colors (and even the GBC has limited prowess in that sense), so I had to have 4 starters. A free-for-all with the game booted up for the first time would basically be Mario, Link
2. Regardless of that, it is the exact same proportion of starters vs. unlockables seen in Smash 64 (and Smash Advance), with 2/3 of the roster being base, and 1/3 being unlockable.

I already have planned the roster for my DS sequel, so I can’t use your suggestions, but I might end up making a 3DS roster too, so some of these characters might see the light of day for that one!

Pupp135 · Jun 24, 2023

Master Hero Sock-on-Rye said:
Super Smash Bros. Armageddon

1: Mario
2: Donkey Kong
3: Link
4: Samus
5: Kirby
6: Fox
7: Pikachu
8: Luigi
9: Bowser
10: Zelda
11: Marth
12: Ganondorf
13: Mewtwo
14: Pit
15: Wario
16: Sonic
17: King Dedede
18: Olimar
19: Mega Man
20: Little Mac
21: Pac-Man
22: Shulk
23: Cloud Strife
24: Inkling
25: Simon Belmont
26: Isabelle
27: Incineroar
28: Banjo and Kazooie
29: Byleth
30: Min Min

For this Smash roster, I'm taking a chainsaw to the bloated roster of Ultimate. I'm also reworking a lot of movesets for the characters that survive.

You read this list correctly. Most of the franchises only get one rep, except for Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby, and Fire Emblem. Kirby and FE only got two fighters, actually.

Plus, only a fifth of this lineup are from third-party developers, with only one character per company and cutting off the less mainstream devs as well.

I almost called this game Free-For Madness, named after the anti-pot movie Reefer Madness. But I chose something less adult for the subtitle.

What do you guys think?

I like the roster overall, and it’s cool to see Byleth and Cloud on it. The only things that feel missing are Yoshi and Peach.

LoZ00 said:
There is this silly idea I've had in the back of my mind for a few weeks and I now have found the time and will to make it.
So what if the Super Smash Bros. series was on handheld instead of console? So far, I have only made a roster for the GB and one for the GBA, but I'm willing to make one for the DS as well. So, without any further ado, let's-a-go!
View attachment 373785

Release date: January 21, 1999 (Japan)
Predictably so, the roster is quite small, as it only features six characters. I imagine that the game's engine would be very primitive and that the player would be only allowed to move, jump, double jump, and attack in four different directions (neutral, side, up, down). No tilts, smashes, or specials here, as the console only has two buttons. There's no grabbing or shielding either! The game would feature only three modes: Smash, Board the Platform (using the actual stages instead of dedicated ones), and 1P Game. Regular Smash could be played in free-for-all or in 1-on-1, the latter even with another player using the link cable. Only Stock matches are available, with the ability to choose between 1 and 6 stocks.
In order to make the engine even more simple, I'd divide the characters into three weight tiers: light (Kirby and Pikachu), medium (Mario and Link), and heavy (Samus and DK). The two characters in the same weight tier share the exact same weight. Finally, I'd give each character the exact same walking speed and jump height. I don't know if Kirby could be an exception, by giving him multiple midair jumps, but I'd be fine too even without it. If this game were ever to exist, it would be a small miracle, so I'd gladly sacrifice a bit of the characters' individual personality in order to fit all of them in.

Mario is of course present as the balanced, easy-to-pick character. He'd have very simple moves, but I'd still give him a few references, like a fireball for his down ground attack, or a hammer swing for his side ground attack. Mario's down aerial attack would definitely be his iconic stomp.

Link is another middleweight fighter, with a penchant for projectiles: he'd still use the bow, the bomb, the boomerang, and the fire rod even if the game doesn't feature special attacks. However, Link's shield wouldn't block incoming attacks, avoiding any unnecessary interactions.

Samus is our first heavyweight fighter. She is even more reliant on projectiles than Link, meaning that she has a hard time KO'ing her opponents unless she can find ways to shut down their recovery.

Kirby is a lightweight fighter. He'd probably lack his multiple midair jumps, but something I'm not ok excluding are his iconic copy abilities. Unlike in Smash, Kirby would gain copy abilities that are taken from his Kirby's Dream Land 2, depending on the inhaled character:

Mario --> Burning

Link --> Cutter

Samus --> Ice

Pikachu --> Spark

DK --> Stone

His other attacks would be based on other copy abilities, items from Kirby's Dream Land, or be made up.

Pikachu is an unlockable character. It'd have attacks based on a few Pokémon moves it can learn in Pokémon Red and Green Versions, namely Thunderbolt, Swift, Tail Whip, and Thunder. Yup, I'm giving Pikachu Thunder. It'd be a lot smaller, however.

Donkey Kong is our final character, and he's another unlockable one. He'd be the largest fighter, meaning he is an easy target to hit, but he'd make up for it in raw strength, being by far the strongest fighter in the roster. His down ground attack has him throw a barrel, meaning that he doesn't even lack a projectile!

View attachment 373786

Release date: January 21, 2003
This game would be released more than a full year after Melee. That is because I believe that the GBA would require some mileage before releasing a title like this, namely in the Pokémon department, a series that is growing to be larger and larger.
As for the roster, this iteration has 12 characters (double the amount of the first title), including all 6 veterans and adding 6 new characters, all coming from franchises that have had (as of the release date) games on the GBA.
In terms of gameplay, the term "Advance" in the game's title isn't just for showing: this version is an advanced version of its predecessor in every way: characters can now grab, shield, and dodge, have individual stats (as opposed to sharing walking speed, jumping height, and weight with other fighters), and even boast 3 recolors. Oh, the game itself is now colored (I'd imagine that on the GBC, the characters would just have some basic palettes based on the stage they're fighting in). Characters have also voice lines, though only a very few. Finally, characters can now charge some specific attacks, à la MultiVersus.
About modes, the game would retain the predecessor's Smash, Board the Platform, and 1P Game, all with some changes. For starters, Smash now gives the players the ability to play Time matches, to combine Time and Stocks, to play Team Matches (Blue v. Red teams only), and to connect with up to three friends for some 4-players action, while Board the Platform features three original stages, each for a specific difficulty setting (Normal, Hard, Very Hard).
Three new modes are Multi-Man Smash, which is essentially Infinite Smash, Break the Targets, which again features three original stages, designed for the three difficulties in mind, and All-Stars Mode, which pits the player against all the fighters in the game without any break.

Mario returns, relatively unchanged, aside for a couple of new moves that reference the Raccoon Tail from Super Mario Advance 4, which would be released a few months after Smash Advance.

Luigi is a newcomer, being a full clone of Mario, with a few differences here and there, mostly in his stats. Generally, Luigi is weaker than Mario, but is faster and more agile than his brother. Luigi was one character I wish I could have added in the previous title, but I can't see him working on the GB: it would be impossible to distinguish between him and Mario.

Link's design is now based on A Link to the Past, which saw a remake on the GBA. Additionally, Link now is able to block incoming projectiles with his shield.

Samus's design has been overhauled too, now being based on Metroid Fusion, the newest entry in the franchise. Most of her attacks are unchanged, but she'd use a few attacks from Fusion here and there. She'd also boast the powerful Grapple Beam.

Kirby's copy abilities are now based on Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land and are as follow:

Mario --> Fire

Luigi --> Hammer

Link --> Cutter

Samus --> Beam

Pikachu --> Spark

Donkey Kong --> Backdrop

Eliwood --> Sword

Isaac --> Stone

Nell --> Bomb

Metagross --> Burning (due to the fact that Metagross is partially based on meteors)

He also gains the corresponding hats!

Pikachu forgot Tail Whip and learned how to use Volt Tackle! That's some real upgrade in power, isn't it?

DK returns relatively unchanged, but the ability to charge some attacks is appreciated by a heavy hitter like him.

Eliwood is our Fire Emblem representative, being from the still unreleased Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade. I'd say that the series hasn't arrived overseas yet, to Eliwood would basically be the equivalent of Marth and Roy in Melee. He'd retain Marth's elegant fighting style without the tipper.

Wario is our first unlockable fighter. His appearance would mostly be based on Wario Land, considering that he has had way more appearances with that style than WarioWare. Notably, Wario Land 4 would have been released, meaning he has a clear source of his moveset.

Isaac is another unlockable fighter and he'd be a bit of a gamble, though I believe that his uniqueness is more than enough to warrant a spot on the roster. He'd trade some of Eliwood's speed for power and magic.

If you had a nickel for every time LoZ00 has added Nell to one of his roster, you'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. She'd be another unlockable character, summoning soldiers to fight for her.

Finally, Metagross is our last (unlockable) character, and our second Pokémon. I chose it because I wanted a Gen 3 Pokémon and the ace of the Champion Steven Stone felt fitting. Metagross would also be the heaviest fighter in the game, though not the largest, as that title would probably still belong to DK.

I'm planning to do a sequel for the Nintendo DS, so maybe stay tuned (I can't promise anything).

This is a cool concept that I’ve thought of before. Here’s how I would’ve approached the rosters.
Gameboy

I agree with you on the choices that you made. The only other character that I considered was Fox, but he didn’t have a handheld game, and arguably all of these characters were more established than him at the time.
I’d probably make Samus and Kirby the unlockable fighters as Mario, Donkey Kong, and Link were the biggest protagonists of the ‘90, and Pikachu was the newly popular character.

GBA

Sami

I feel like Luigi and Bowser are the most important characters missing in the Gameboy version.
While Fox didn’t have a handheld release until the DS, his series was popular, and there was Star Fox Adventures in development.
Wario was a major player in handheld consoles.
A second pokemon was important to add. I thought about a Hoenn pokemon, but I’m unsure if I’d know anything about the region at the time. I went with Mewtwo as it was popular, and it was the final battle in the original games and the Stadium games.
Sami is kind of an arbitrary choice, but Advance Wars was relevant at the time, and it was more established compared to Pikmin, Golden Sun, and Animal Crossing. I considered a Fire Emblem character, but it might be better to start with a character who was in the West at the time.
Unlockable fighters would be Bowser, Wario, Mewtwo, and Sami.

DS

Sami

I found this one to be hard as there are many fighters that I want to add, but I cannot see myself adding more than twice the fighters. I don’t think anyone would be cut, and even then, Mewtwo would probably be the only one as Pokemon has a huge cast with one true mascot, and the other franchises were relevant at the time.
I could not see myself excluding Peach or Yoshi at this point.
Ganondorf is our next LoZ fighter.
King Dedede is a major character from Kirby, and I felt like Kirby was more relevant than Donkey Kong at the time.
Lucario is a promotional pokemon.
I’d want to add more franchises. If I had to choose, I would consider Pikmin, Fire Emblem, and Animal Crossing. In the end, I went with Villager and Ike as they’re less complex to come up with than Olimar. This is a weird scenario where Marth is not SSB’s poster child for Fire Emblem.
I feel like I’d want a throwback character in this entry. I thought Pit seemed cool in terms of moveset.
Falco and Toon Link should be easy enough to add.
I feel like Snake and Sonic would be requested, so they join.
For unlockable content, I’d assume that Wario, Ganondorf, Toon Link, King Dedede, Mewtwo, Falco, Sami, and Ike would be unlockable.

3DS

Sami

Given that I don’t have any technical limitations, I don’t see the need to cut anyone outside of Snake.
If I had more development time/stronger equipment, I would’ve added Diddy, Charizard, and Olimar in my proposed DS version.
Zelda, Meta Knight, and Miis are important characters where it’d look weird without them.
I like Rosalina’s gimmick, and it’s probably the most complex thing that add outside of Pyra/Mythra.
I still want to add an Awakening character because of its importance to Fire Emblem, but I cannot see myself going with Robin as I feel like Chrom is distinct enough from Ike.
I like the idea of adding new series, and Xenoblade worked out the best.
Little Mac would be the throwback pick.
I like Wii Fit Trainer as an oddball pick.
Pac-Man and Mega Man feel like they’d be next in line in terms of third parties.
Clones are relatively straightforward where Daisy takes Dr. Mario’s spot, and Lucina is Chrom’s clone.
For DLC, I’m fine with the third parties as is. For the first/second party ones, I think that I would’ve gone through with a promotional pokemon, and Bowser Jr. is a pretty important/requested character.
The unlockable fighters would be Rosalina, Ike, Shulk, Mewtwo, Meta Knight, Falco, Wii Fit Trainer, Sami, Daisy, Dark Pit, and Lucina.

Switch

Sami

Tidus(

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All of the base game Ultimate fighters are fine with me. As Chrom and Daisy were already added, I’d have Alph join as Olimar’s echo.
Because Snake is my only returning veteran, and there were 47 veterans instead of 65, I think that I’d be able to add a few more newcomers in this entry. While it wasn’t promoted in the 3DS one, I feel like Fates would still be represented on the roster as this was only the fourth Fire Emblem character instead of the sixth. While they were requested, I don’t think I would’ve gone through with Bandana Waddle Dee or Waluigi. I wanted a couple more retros, and Ness and Duck Hunt seem cool to me.
For DLC, the major changes would be that there is no bonus fighter, Byleth would be more like Robin in terms of moveset, and Tidus takes Sephiroth’s spot out of pure bias than anything else.
I don’t think this game would have eight player mode, and I can make an unlock order later where only Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, and Pikachu are the only starters.

Kirby
Samus
Villager
Inkling
Bowser
Charizard
Ganondorf
Lucina
Olimar
Ridley
King K Rool
Sonic
Fox
Pit
Wii Fit Trainer
Peach
Lucario
Ryu
Shulk
Pac-Man
Isabelle
Chrom
King Dedede
Luigi
Yoshi
Diddy Kong
Ness
Zelda
Mega Man
Bayonetta
Toon Link
Wario
Snake
Meta Knight
Falco
Corrin
Daisy
Simon
Little Mac
Sami
Greninja
Ken
Bowser Jr
Incinoroar
Ike
Rosalina
Richter
Alph
Dark Pit
Cloud
Mewtwo
Duck Hunt

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