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[TheManaLord]

i want a sick desh sig =(

desh if you read this give me some sort of sex sig...

 

[Desh]

whats a sig? >_>

 

[Grmo]

i want a sick desh sig =(

desh if you read this give me some sort of sex sig...

Yeah me too.


Alright, here's the hags: I'm thinking that, since the current tier list sucks, our community should come up with a new one. We're currently the most progressive one around, so I figure we may as well. We've got good and knowledgeable players that will think things through carefully and, with that, I think we can make the best tier list. What do you guys think?

 

[Desh]

BIG DOUBLE ****ING POST

edit: i made a table of contents to help its unorganized-ness

1. Our tier list
2. About dk
3. random facts
4. Mid tier discussion
5. Low tier discussion
6. More random facts
-6.1 Platform canceled turnips
-6.2 Dk vs jiggs
-6.3 Whats a boost grab!?
7. where im gonna put more random stuff once im done looking through our convos



me and david compiled a tier list on msn =o

so here it be

1. Our tier list

Top tier

Sheik
Fox
Marth
Falco

High
falcon
jiggs
peach
dk

Mid
Ganon
Ic
Doc
Samus
Link
Luigi
Mario

Low
Young Link
Pika
Zelda
Roy
G&W

Bottom
Bowser
Yoshi
Ness
Mewtwo
Pichu
Kirby


I'm gonna post our reasonings behind our decisions in as much of an organized way as possibe D: im not even sure why im posting this info besides i like sharing my opinions and for the sake of good old friendly discussion.

edit: i made a table of contents to help its unorganized-ness


here we gooo

2. about dk (and random peach stuff)
david-honestly i think dk does better vs fox and marth than peach does at a high level (david)
me-so do i :S
me-i think dk does better against fox at any lvl tbh

david-the flipside is that peach does better vs puff although i think she still loses), falcon (although i think she still loses), falco, ic, and sheik (although she still loses)
-i also think she does better vs ganon
-i think peach > ganon very slightly

me- i think its about maybe 75-25 or 80-20 for marth in marth vs peach
david- yeah thats about what i have

david-peach/character
_____75/25 fox
_____75/25 marth
_____sheik -
_____falco 45/55
_____falcon 45/55

sheik is supposed to be empty because we're undecided. david thinks sheik ***** peach harder then she does marth.

david- and i have marth/sheik as 65/35 in sheik's favour
david-but i don't think sheik 70/30s dk i think it's 65/35

3. random facts
me- whats the best type of grab? boost grab/jc grab/sheild grab/ dash grab
david- boost grab is only good with sheik, in wich case its amazing
david- jc grab is good for everyone but peach
david- dash grab is only good for peach and sheik and some other chars during cgs
(chris- imo there really arent many who should dash grab)
david- best one is probably jc grab overall

4. Mid tier discussion
david- dk, ganon, ic . thats my order i think.
me- i dont think ic are very good at all to be honest -_-, gimp one and the other is low tier. single ic is just horid, and with most characters dsmash ***** them in terms of seperating
david- i think theyre very over rated.
david- dk, ganon, ic, then doc with samus luigi mario link
me- i think link> samus
david- i was actually thinking that, i unno. Link is pretty terrible.
david- I think samus is higher than luigi and mario and link. Honestly just because of her even matchups with space animals. Like, for that reason ALONE.
david- She's awful against sheik, and she has the least chance against marth out of all of them (mario, link, luigi, samus being all of them)
david- but shes actually probably more terrible just because she does fine vs fox and falco.

david- so we have ic > doc> samus> link/luigi/mario, i dont know the order of the last 3. in terms of how bad they are its pretty even. So what ever.

-insert discussion about those 3-
ended up as link > luigi>mario. reasoning is scattered and really not too factually discussed. plus who cares, theyre all pretty evenly horrible.

5. Low tier discussion
me- so should we put mario at top of low tier?
david- no, i think not, he's better than most of the lows by a considerable marging, and hes only slightly worse than luigi/link.

-screw the rest of the discussion, srsly. its low tier. nothing important after that anyways.-

6. more random facts

6.1 platform canceled turnips

me- platform cancel turnips is crucial to peach
david- honestly i think it sounds good retreating off platofrms
me-it makes peach more mobile, and helps her approach
david-approach sounds awkward but it gives you a turnip when you retreat with it so you can approach better after
david- so maybe that's what you meant
me- yeah
david- it lags her still a bit
david- but she can do it moving which is good
me- it leaves peach so vulnerable when u have to just stand there
david- indeed ,that's why i'm trying to play her w/o turnips sometimes in practice
david- but vs the top tiers it's impossible you need the veggies

6.2 dk vs jiggs (and other dk crap i think)

me- dk is really good, or a lot better then hes made out to be. Like we've talked about, his bair is broke, he has a good grab game, hes strong, and he ***** ff'ers.
david- i think dk vs ffers is bad for dk but i think people exaggerate on how horrible it is for dk, and yeah his bair is ridiculous
david- (if) dks better than ganon its cuz he has massive grab range and gay grab game. and his bair is like super spammable.
me- yeah and its hitbox and priority are insane too.

david- people used to say dk sucks against mid tiers but its really just jiggs.
david- puff you cant cargo u-throw combo much, she can bair your sheild, and jump with rest because his sheild is so bad.
david- dair ***** his sheild like no other and can like link to grab. if dk cc's and does everything properly he can cc d-tilt at best.
me- i think he might be able to get a grab in too, and c stick roll away( CSTICK ROLL IS WIN. ITS MUCH BETTER THAN THE JOY STICK. IM SURE YOU KNOW THIS SO FREAKING DO IT.)

david- i guess, but he cant really punish. if the jiggs gets enough hits from the drill she can grab before he can i think. because he goes into this akward hitstun animation where he flips around.
david- but more puffs dont do that. just sliq and king

6.3 whats boost grab!?
a --> z/r/l
dask attack and press z really quickly.

its basically a jc grab where you would normally do y/x>z
but you replace y with a dash attack and press z/r/l

7. where im gonna put other stuff when i look through our conversation history.

me and david did this a while ago =/

 

[Wangster]

david and i did this a while ago =/

fixed (secretly a grammer police )

 

[TheManaLord]

tier list doesnt make sense...

 

[Grmo]

[edited out]

It's actually good to base the tier list on matchups more than is done so presently. Tournament placings should be relatively ignored. Although, I think Falco deserves his own tier, which would be below top but above jiggs

EDIT: I'll finish reading that post then post all my reasonings/arguments.

this should be fun lol

Anyway, the point is: I think it would be really good for us all to talk about this, since we can all learn stuff and we've all got different opinions, so when those are all brought together we can learn some very good things. I'm learning stuff right now.

 

[TheManaLord]

imo

best:
jiggs

then the rest somewhere below jiggs because they dont have ohko's that can be used in combos, punishing, tech chasing, flub chasing, and just randomly whenever the hell

 

[Desh]

100% in agreement with grmos, except pika > yl imo.

 

[SmashCentralOfficial]

Fixed (secretly a grammar police officer )

Fixed. Secretly a spelling, grammar, capitalization, and punctuation officer.

 

[Desh]

That isnt a secret. =/

 

[SmashCentralOfficial]

Nor is your sexual preference. OH SNAP.

 

[Just A Frog]

Nor is your sexual preference. OH SNAP.

He grabbed my *** 3+ times at starfurry. Sir, i am not an object.

 

[TheManaLord]

i swear canadas smash scene is at least 50% homosexual

"not that there's anything wrong with that"

 

[Desh]

Nah, only like 15 ish %,
the rest of us act gay but like vagoo.

 

[idea]

whats a sig? >_>

make me one too. i'll think of something to put on it.

Alright, here's the hags: I'm thinking that, since the current tier list sucks, our community should come up with a new one. We're currently the most progressive one around, so I figure we may as well. We've got good and knowledgeable players that will think things through carefully and, with that, I think we can make the best tier list. What do you guys think?

cool. sheik is top. jigglypuff is above falcon. beyond that i don't know =P i'll wait for mike's matchup count he's supposed to be working on to form more opinions.

fixed (secretly a grammer police )

point form corrections (not only grammar):

- "Fixed" should be capitalized; that is, if this weren't a
- sentence fragment
- "grammar"
- "police" is plural; use a singular expression
- does not look as cool as =P

i swear canadas smash scene is at least 50% homosexual

"not that there's anything wrong with that"

haha, we keep getting non-gta people posting in here. our conversations are just too interesting.

BUT NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH TO COUNT AS POSTS, APPARENTLY

 

[Just A Frog]

the few that i had are gone >.>

someone done stoleded all the posts =/

(quick, someone call the grammar police again :o)

 

[idea]

double post for why i actually came here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QhGurghf1s

i was laughing for most of this match. bunch of tournament matches up this tourney.

edit: nevermind, not double post.

these two sets are really interesting. featuring: mew2falcon!

 

[Just A Frog]

more reasons to hate sheik

 

[Lanowen]

wahts worng wit grammir.

ohai?

I fee lliek smahs kinda are.

dude3cool yo

btw don't abuse this.

I kinda want tor try smash again.

 

[SmashCentralOfficial]

Sooooooooooooooooo Lanowen types like Mang0 and M2K camps hard.

 

[Stos]

wahts worng wit grammir.

ohai?

I fee lliek smahs kinda are.

dude3cool yo

btw don't abuse this.

I kinda want tor try smash again.

i remember posting like that when i first joined smashboards oh man i for like super flamed everytime i posted haha. also nice tier list.

 

[Desh]

hoely ****

landy wants to smash agin?

landy we should team as team goldie lockes

mods spamming lol

looks funny

i want a red fukcing name

hai steve

 

[Stos]

i just realized were filled up with tourneys.

also support for melee.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=222963

 

[Grmo]

i swear canadas smash scene is at least 50% homosexual

"not that there's anything wrong with that"

Our reputation spreads!

haha, we keep getting non-gta people posting in here. our conversations are just too interesting.

BUT NOT INTERESTING ENOUGH TO COUNT AS POSTS, APPARENTLY

LOL

i just realized were filled up with tourneys.

also support for melee.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=222963

SUPERR SMASH BROTHERS

MELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[SmashCentralOfficial]

i remember posting like that when i first joined smashboards oh man i for like super flamed everytime i posted haha. also nice tier list.

hoely ****

landy wants to smash agin?

landy we should team as team goldie lockes

mods spamming lol

looks funny

i want a red fukcing name

hai steve

Still to this day when I'm posting, I hit enter twice after every line.

Then I go back and try and combine sentences and ideas and minimize the lines in between (or create more) so that I don't look like an idiot Mang0.


HAI CHRIS.

 

[B_Mak]

so SF4 is taking over my life....wat?

 

[Desh]

=/

edit quick:
so i got bored, and tried to create fire, but with only one material,
wich is the drawing of the fox.
so i basically
i took the fox, put it there,
duplicated the layer,
edited it,
repeated
and repeated
until i made it look like the fox was on fire,
again, only using that one original pic.
im kinda happy with it,
but i think there stuff that coulda been done better.
>.<


heres the original fox :

anyone like it lol

i really need to do sigs.
i just dunno what to do/ need something im gonna find fun haha

 

[idea]

it's more interesting now i know how you made it.

i'ma watch princess mononoke again in a while, so if i am right and that is my second favourite movie, maybe i'll get you to make me one with one or more kodama.

 

[idea]

double post for...do i even have to explain myself in this thread anymore? i have a good reason anyway. quoted from mango's jigglypuff thread:

alright, after consulting sdm's frame data (thanks meta), i can confirm that this works:

roll on top of marth as he fsmashes, and you can rest him in the lag of it.

jigglypuff's roll: 34 frames, can move again at frame 35, rest gives + 1 frame = 36 frames
marth's fsmash: 49 frames, IASA frame 48

so you actually have 12 frames of leniency here. it's incredibly situational, of course, since you can't very well keep rolling on top of a good marth, but it's really fun to hit them with.

 

[Grmo]

Kyle, you're a huge *******. I'm stealing that

EDIT: So who isn't going to Alukard's giant orgy this weekend?

 

[idea]

i actually did this to imadh in brackets last weekend. =D

 

[Deleted member]

i do that all the time.. i remember someone saying, "wtf? roll to rest? that's some brawl ****, it never works in melee.."

but when a marth tippers you can just **** him

 

[Sanu]

wahts worng wit grammir.

ohai?

I fee lliek smahs kinda are.

dude3cool yo

btw don't abuse this.

I kinda want tor try smash again.

YAY!! We've missed you Landy, bet you can't wait until the summer now

hoely ****

landy wants to smash agin?

landy we should team as team goldie lockes

Hell naw, he's mine now. I stole him from Fogel as well!! Team Gomu Gomu no INFRACTIIOOOOONS~~!

 

[Grmo]

i actually did this to imadh in brackets last weekend. =D

wow. he was probably like WTFFFFFFFFFFFFF

i do that all the time.. i remember someone saying, "wtf? roll to rest? that's some brawl ****, it never works in melee.."

but when a marth tippers you can just **** him

wait, do you still play melee?

YAY!! We've missed you Landy, bet you can't wait until the summer now



Hell naw, he's mine now. I stole him from Fogel as well!! Team Gomu Gomu no INFRACTIIOOOOONS~~!

lol One Piece ftw

Also I'm pretty sure that translates to rubber infractions.

 

[Deleted member]

i play a **** load of melee. my good friend in my rez saw me watching survivor gabon and i randomly mentioned ken, and we both started talking smash. he was originally a brawl player and we played that, and he started playing melee and i've since trained him. he's pretty **** good. he doesn't like playing brawl anymore so we don't. i ask here and there and we play it randomly but w/e

im itching to try brawl+

 

[idea]

in case you didn't notice, grmo's starting up some gta biweeklies in april. the first one is already full but you could come to the one after that.

and over summer i'll probably host a few of them.

 

[FastFox]

Idea, just edit your posts. There's no need to make another one.

 

[idea]

i usually do, but i wasn't sure if that was still being enforced since this is a 'social' thread now. i remember someone alluding that it wasn't being enforced anymore.

plus, you have to admit it's a pretty cool trick =D

 

[Afro_Chris]

wats this talk about this being a social thread...are we gona be doing stuff outside smash now? cuz that'll be awsome if we all went like booling or somthing :D