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DallasPhat

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I don't even know how you guys think dota is more balanced then LoL, well maybe the fact that theirs way more broken **** in that game then there is in League. How is lion a balanced character? He got 6 seconds of CC + random nuke. Or how about doom and his "OH you're an odd level eat 500 damage", or void walker and his chronosphere ult... dota is retardly broken.
 

DarkDragoon

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I guess, maybe, JUST MAYBE, DotA has so many "why did you think that would be acceptable" moments that you just start to accept everything eventually, but as someone who never really reached that point, I call bull**** on the less "why did you think that would be acceptable" moments. So much **** in DotA is so broken and unfun it just hurts my brain.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like this.
Granted, I don't know what the hell I'm doing in DotA2 when I play, but I look at the skills when I use them, and it is pretty OP. Most of the time I'm just watching them get used on me though.

-DD
 

DMG

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That's what I meant Mogwai. You get surrounded with the insane that you get used to it. This game isn't able to handle old Heimer/etc. But Dota yeah you can have all the bull****, cause there's lots of it.
 

Wave⁂

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So I load a ColbyCheeze YouTube video

first thing I see

[All] UTDZac (Ashe): im a huge fan
 

KevinM

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Also I wanted to point out I play all three games and love all three games.

The counters to heroes being broken in Dota alot of the time are strong item counters.

Hard carry on the other team?

Sheep stick

Need to make sure your push strat goes strong through mid game?

Necro

etc..

Most of these games ARE fairly well balanced IMO.
 

Ignatius

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dota felt so weird when I played it tonight. I had forgot how friggin' broken everything feels. I fed my *** off in lane with storm and then I hit 6 with double nulls and derped my way around getting free *** ganks everywhere. Definitely like league better, but dota can be pretty funny.
Who were you against in mid that you died before you hit 6? And much like LoL, if you're playing against baddies that don't ward roaming around and ganking is super easy.

Does anyone else find DotA and HoN much harder to keep track of in terms of what the hell goes on during teamfights? Or is that just because I've never actually played the games?
Not at all, you just need to get used to what the characters do.
 

DallasPhat

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I'll be holding a Friday Night Scrim tonight at 7pm CST. So if anyone is interested in playing post here, the swf channel in LoL or whisper me in game tonight if you would like to participate. Whether you're looking to have fun or seek advice I recommend everyone to join. I will also be streaming these games if anyone would like to watch/review back on what they did.
 

Sinz

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If anyone would like to try to tell me Dota 2 or HoN are terribly imbalanced feel free to message me. ^_^

Dphat, the example of Chronosphere is a poor one. Chronospheres can make you win or lose a team fight. However, there are SO MANY counters available for chronosphere(push stick, void talisman(forgot name in d2), mirana ult, etc).
 

Sinz

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Does anyone else find DotA and HoN much harder to keep track of in terms of what the hell goes on during teamfights? Or is that just because I've never actually played the games?
As a caster when I started I had A LOT of trouble keeping track of whats going on.

Dota, the king of rng and late came carries.

:phone:
Yeah because heavy ganking and pushing strategies aren't viable. Don't get the idea that all of D2 is the same as the ricing scene. Those games were unbearably boring.
 

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I'll be holding a Friday Night Scrim tonight at 7pm CST. So if anyone is interested in playing post here, the swf channel in LoL or whisper me in game tonight if you would like to participate. Whether you're looking to have fun or seek advice I recommend everyone to join. I will also be streaming these games if anyone would like to watch/review back on what they did.
If you'll have me I'd be glad to come. Practice/advice is what I need most :o esp as a 1100 elo player
 

ranmaru

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can't speak for HoN, but I do find DotA2 a little harder to keep track of. Not by a ton once I got used to it, but LoL does a very good job with coloring and contrast IMO. Of course it would be impossible to follow if you didn't understand what heroes do though, that's the same across all games.
At times I have that problem with LoL. Sometimes I lose focus of what's really going on (most likely, myself, and I seem to lose myself After attacking and forget that I'm squishy and die, I think I have been fixing that tho)

I'll be holding a Friday Night Scrim tonight at 7pm CST. So if anyone is interested in playing post here, the swf channel in LoL or whisper me in game tonight if you would like to participate. Whether you're looking to have fun or seek advice I recommend everyone to join. I will also be streaming these games if anyone would like to watch/review back on what they did.
I would like to join. Only because, I'm not that good and I want to get better. : D I'm practicing what I can tho.
 

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I'll be holding a Friday Night Scrim tonight at 7pm CST. So if anyone is interested in playing post here, the swf channel in LoL or whisper me in game tonight if you would like to participate. Whether you're looking to have fun or seek advice I recommend everyone to join. I will also be streaming these games if anyone would like to watch/review back on what they did.
I'm down, yo.
 

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A story from the internet, worth the read.

[collapse="My Experience With The World's Greatest Teemo"]So I solo que ranked at around 1150 ELO. The usual banter between teammates starts, everyone wants to be solo top/ad carry, it's all fun.

Then there is one gentleman, picking 4th, who is not speaking to anyone. When this happens, usually this guy wants to play 1 champ, and he's going to instalock them and play them regardless. I'm sitting there waiting for his instalock and sure enough its Teemo. This Teemo ends up going bottom with another AD carry.

The game progresses onward and our Teemo is failing hard. By 15 minutes he had died 5 times. At this point, I should mention our team comp. We had myself on Yorick solo top, Xin, Kassadin, Ashe, and our hero, Teemo. We're facing, Akali, Twitch, Wukong, Nasus, and Vlad (Wukong jungled for them, Xin for us.).

Obviously, Ashe and Teemo are having a hard time and Xin is baby sitting that lane. Kass and I actually are able to gank each others lanes a few times and get a couple of kills. The game is pretty even considering we didn't follow the meta to the T and it cost us bottom lane. This is where the game gets fun.

Teemo refuses to communicate or play with us. I look at his items and he has decent CS, he has attack speed and AP items. A very strange build but I can see how it will work on his character.

Our jungler was the best kind, constantly warding dragon and timing all of the buffs. The 4 of us moved around the map and took advantage of every instance we could.
But not Teemo. Teemo literally just went top lane and killed minions until he died. Team fight? Didn't matter to Teemo, he was just pushing lanes and dying. He would try to escape, but it was no use. The other team was on to him and was just waiting for him to push and akali quickly blew him up.

At this point in the game, it's around the 25 minute mark and Teemo has died roughly 12 to 13 times. Everyone is trolling him and the typical whines and moans start about ELO HELL.
Our team reacts by building extremely tanky, Atmogs for everyone. We begin attempting to secure baron. Teemo did actually manage to place tons of mushrooms around the map, and by accident or not, had plenty of mushrooms around baron.

We catch Akali out of position and kill her, the 4 of us rush to baron. We have oracles, the enemy does not have site and we proceed. Teemo continued to push top, despite our desperate plea for his DPS since this was indeed a risky baron, the entire enemy team was still alive. They quickly ran up and killed Teemo, for a total of 80g, while we got baron.
This is when I realize that I am the fool.

I look at the map and realize that if they had tried to stop our baron, Teemo had about 3 million mushrooms surrounding the area and about 200 AP. Their DPS surely wouldn't make it through. Their first 2 towers in all lanes were dead. We still had our back towers and base towers. They never had a chance to push them, Teemo watched them like some kind of bottom lane Batman, defending them at all costs.

I later realized that the opposing team was in a very bad place, even though they were ahead about 12 kills. Teemo meant nothing as a target. Killing him wasn't even worth their time at this point (90G for killing him). However, if they sent just 1 person to kill Teemo as he pushed, he would get away with move quick and some well placed mushrooms. If they sent 2 people to kill him, well, we would have the 4v3 advantage in any fight that would occur. We new to push this advantage at all costs.

This might seem like typical split push play, but the real kicker here is that Teemo has killed no one. He's worth nothing. Just sending 2 people to stop him and collect 90 gold isn't worth it. If they don't send anyone he'll literally get an inhib with his insane attack speed. They have to defend and punish his over extension but with seemingly no risk from us.

Teemo was going out of his way to avoid kills. He knew that if he killed someone he'd be worth 300 gold again, and that wasn't in his master plan. He built straight AP but quickly stopped at what I assume was a predetermined number and went straight AS. Then he moved directly into move speed.

In this moment I was awestruck, as though time was standing still.

Soon baron respawns and everyone knows it. The 4 of us rush baron and Teemo quickly makes his way into the enemy jungle. As they show themsevles in mid lane, Teemo dashes for their middle bottom tower, completely pushing the tower and inhib down.
He's working on one of the base turrets when they retreat to defend. We take an undefended baron for the second time.

This went on for a very long time. Teemo eventually got all the inhibs by using teleport and waiting in the enemy jungle, invisible. Teemo had died over 25 times at this point. He simply teleported / ran bottom/top lane and attacked creeps, while we stayed at the other side of the map.

Eventually, the 4 of us push for the win, after killing about 4 barons, we feel strong enough to win a 5v4. The game creased the hour mark and we would like to move on, it's 2:30 AM EST.

As we cut through our own jungle we are surprised by all 5. We trade our 4 lives for only 1 of theirs and they run for our base. At this moment I'm sure we've lost. Teemo can't defend vs 4 other champs, and our respawn timers are insanely long.

Teemo was at their red buff the entire time.

He moves out quick and absolutely assaults the enemy base. In the madness that is a late game team fight Teemo was calmly auto attacking turrets. No one noticed him, including myself. I was so used to him being anywhere he felt like I had stopped looking for him. He had sold all of his AP items for AS and AD. He was a tower killing machine. He had even taken ALL of the anti tower masteries. He had planned this from the start.
Before their creeps could even make it to our middle tower/inhib Teemo was on the nexus. Sure his score was 0/30/3, but his strategy was unmatched.

Our team is extremely happy. We hated on and trolled Teemo all game for his unwillingness to work with us. No one saw his genius but me. Afterwards, I asked him about his masteries in post game, I wanted to know if this was his plane the entire time.. I was concerned that I had imagined this. He confirmed the masteries, as I suspected since he just melted towers but then he then left me with this bit of wisdom.

"I don't like to play deathmatch, but I know how to win."

Not sure why he called it deathmatch, still not sure if I was being trolled or not. In my heart of hearts, I believe.[/collapse]
 

Dastrn

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I'll be holding a Friday Night Scrim tonight at 7pm CST. So if anyone is interested in playing post here, the swf channel in LoL or whisper me in game tonight if you would like to participate. Whether you're looking to have fun or seek advice I recommend everyone to join. I will also be streaming these games if anyone would like to watch/review back on what they did.
I might be around for that. I'll send you a message in game.

Zac that story is incredible.
 

-Vocal-

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A story from the internet, worth the read.

[collapse="My Experience With The World's Greatest Teemo"]So I solo que ranked at around 1150 ELO. The usual banter between teammates starts, everyone wants to be solo top/ad carry, it's all fun.

Then there is one gentleman, picking 4th, who is not speaking to anyone. When this happens, usually this guy wants to play 1 champ, and he's going to instalock them and play them regardless. I'm sitting there waiting for his instalock and sure enough its Teemo. This Teemo ends up going bottom with another AD carry.

The game progresses onward and our Teemo is failing hard. By 15 minutes he had died 5 times. At this point, I should mention our team comp. We had myself on Yorick solo top, Xin, Kassadin, Ashe, and our hero, Teemo. We're facing, Akali, Twitch, Wukong, Nasus, and Vlad (Wukong jungled for them, Xin for us.).

Obviously, Ashe and Teemo are having a hard time and Xin is baby sitting that lane. Kass and I actually are able to gank each others lanes a few times and get a couple of kills. The game is pretty even considering we didn't follow the meta to the T and it cost us bottom lane. This is where the game gets fun.

Teemo refuses to communicate or play with us. I look at his items and he has decent CS, he has attack speed and AP items. A very strange build but I can see how it will work on his character.

Our jungler was the best kind, constantly warding dragon and timing all of the buffs. The 4 of us moved around the map and took advantage of every instance we could.
But not Teemo. Teemo literally just went top lane and killed minions until he died. Team fight? Didn't matter to Teemo, he was just pushing lanes and dying. He would try to escape, but it was no use. The other team was on to him and was just waiting for him to push and akali quickly blew him up.

At this point in the game, it's around the 25 minute mark and Teemo has died roughly 12 to 13 times. Everyone is trolling him and the typical whines and moans start about ELO HELL.
Our team reacts by building extremely tanky, Atmogs for everyone. We begin attempting to secure baron. Teemo did actually manage to place tons of mushrooms around the map, and by accident or not, had plenty of mushrooms around baron.

We catch Akali out of position and kill her, the 4 of us rush to baron. We have oracles, the enemy does not have site and we proceed. Teemo continued to push top, despite our desperate plea for his DPS since this was indeed a risky baron, the entire enemy team was still alive. They quickly ran up and killed Teemo, for a total of 80g, while we got baron.
This is when I realize that I am the fool.

I look at the map and realize that if they had tried to stop our baron, Teemo had about 3 million mushrooms surrounding the area and about 200 AP. Their DPS surely wouldn't make it through. Their first 2 towers in all lanes were dead. We still had our back towers and base towers. They never had a chance to push them, Teemo watched them like some kind of bottom lane Batman, defending them at all costs.

I later realized that the opposing team was in a very bad place, even though they were ahead about 12 kills. Teemo meant nothing as a target. Killing him wasn't even worth their time at this point (90G for killing him). However, if they sent just 1 person to kill Teemo as he pushed, he would get away with move quick and some well placed mushrooms. If they sent 2 people to kill him, well, we would have the 4v3 advantage in any fight that would occur. We new to push this advantage at all costs.

This might seem like typical split push play, but the real kicker here is that Teemo has killed no one. He's worth nothing. Just sending 2 people to stop him and collect 90 gold isn't worth it. If they don't send anyone he'll literally get an inhib with his insane attack speed. They have to defend and punish his over extension but with seemingly no risk from us.

Teemo was going out of his way to avoid kills. He knew that if he killed someone he'd be worth 300 gold again, and that wasn't in his master plan. He built straight AP but quickly stopped at what I assume was a predetermined number and went straight AS. Then he moved directly into move speed.

In this moment I was awestruck, as though time was standing still.

Soon baron respawns and everyone knows it. The 4 of us rush baron and Teemo quickly makes his way into the enemy jungle. As they show themsevles in mid lane, Teemo dashes for their middle bottom tower, completely pushing the tower and inhib down.
He's working on one of the base turrets when they retreat to defend. We take an undefended baron for the second time.

This went on for a very long time. Teemo eventually got all the inhibs by using teleport and waiting in the enemy jungle, invisible. Teemo had died over 25 times at this point. He simply teleported / ran bottom/top lane and attacked creeps, while we stayed at the other side of the map.

Eventually, the 4 of us push for the win, after killing about 4 barons, we feel strong enough to win a 5v4. The game creased the hour mark and we would like to move on, it's 2:30 AM EST.

As we cut through our own jungle we are surprised by all 5. We trade our 4 lives for only 1 of theirs and they run for our base. At this moment I'm sure we've lost. Teemo can't defend vs 4 other champs, and our respawn timers are insanely long.

Teemo was at their red buff the entire time.

He moves out quick and absolutely assaults the enemy base. In the madness that is a late game team fight Teemo was calmly auto attacking turrets. No one noticed him, including myself. I was so used to him being anywhere he felt like I had stopped looking for him. He had sold all of his AP items for AS and AD. He was a tower killing machine. He had even taken ALL of the anti tower masteries. He had planned this from the start.
Before their creeps could even make it to our middle tower/inhib Teemo was on the nexus. Sure his score was 0/30/3, but his strategy was unmatched.

Our team is extremely happy. We hated on and trolled Teemo all game for his unwillingness to work with us. No one saw his genius but me. Afterwards, I asked him about his masteries in post game, I wanted to know if this was his plane the entire time.. I was concerned that I had imagined this. He confirmed the masteries, as I suspected since he just melted towers but then he then left me with this bit of wisdom.

"I don't like to play deathmatch, but I know how to win."

Not sure why he called it deathmatch, still not sure if I was being trolled or not. In my heart of hearts, I believe.[/collapse]
I think I just might try this, some day when i'm bored
 

Vyke

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I'm so glad that Colby video got uploaded and that he did the entire match. I should have looped around near wolves instead of tower suicide. :(

Played a few games with Colby and his gang last night, pretty chill group.
 

PhantomX

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I'm so glad that Colby video got uploaded and that he did the entire match. I should have looped around near wolves instead of tower suicide. :(

Played a few games with Colby and his gang last night, pretty chill group.
I see how it is. You sabotage our games AFKing during bans and stealing jungle from Chad so Colby can win and then you play with him.

:phone:
 

Mogwai

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I want to expect better of you, but I know not to
Who were you against in mid that you died before you hit 6? And much like LoL, if you're playing against baddies that don't ward roaming around and ganking is super easy.
it was storm + skeleton king vs. ancient apparition (unfamiliar with this guy) + bloodseeker.

I spent a solid 5 minutes just figuring out basic mechanics and interface **** though cause it was my first dota2 game. I don't think i got a single last hit for the first 3 minutes, lol.

I'm not really trying to speak like I'm a dota authority, I'm not playing high level dota or anything, I just find the fundamental game mechanics of like, it's ok for bloodseeker to silence you for 9 seconds off a non ult skill and sheep stick is an item, completely offputting.
 

Turazrok

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it was storm + skeleton king vs. ancient apparition (unfamiliar with this guy) + bloodseeker.

I spent a solid 5 minutes just figuring out basic mechanics and interface **** though cause it was my first dota2 game. I don't think i got a single last hit for the first 3 minutes, lol.

I'm not really trying to speak like I'm a dota authority, I'm not playing high level dota or anything, I just find the fundamental game mechanics of like, it's ok for bloodseeker to silence you for 9 seconds off a non ult skill and sheep stick is an item, completely offputting.
Why is the item offputting?

how is it different then exhaust?

Oh wait exhaust available from lvl1.

Also aa is kinda ridic tbh but bser isn't too good.
 

Wave⁂

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In defense of DotA (derp pun), it's been around for 6-7 years, powercreep is natural over time.
 

ChaosKnight

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it was storm + skeleton king vs. ancient apparition (unfamiliar with this guy) + bloodseeker.

I spent a solid 5 minutes just figuring out basic mechanics and interface **** though cause it was my first dota2 game. I don't think i got a single last hit for the first 3 minutes, lol.

I'm not really trying to speak like I'm a dota authority, I'm not playing high level dota or anything, I just find the fundamental game mechanics of like, it's ok for bloodseeker to silence you for 9 seconds off a non ult skill and sheep stick is an item, completely offputting.
dont worry they still have about 50 heroes too release you wont feel the balance just yet xD :cool:
 

Abel1994

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Im trying out champs that got nerf hard.

I like kayle now
I tried Jax and like him but the dmg he does is depressing.
 

Ignatius

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it was storm + skeleton king vs. ancient apparition (unfamiliar with this guy) + bloodseeker.

I spent a solid 5 minutes just figuring out basic mechanics and interface **** though cause it was my first dota2 game. I don't think i got a single last hit for the first 3 minutes, lol.

I'm not really trying to speak like I'm a dota authority, I'm not playing high level dota or anything, I just find the fundamental game mechanics of like, it's ok for bloodseeker to silence you for 9 seconds off a non ult skill and sheep stick is an item, completely offputting.
Sheep stick is super expensive, and the 9 second silence also gives you +80% damage. But there's also much better ways to get around (most) spells in DotA, through a linkens or BKB. Not to mention Bloodseeker really doesn't have anything going for him early other than a silence that isn't always beneficial to put on enemies.

And you definitely should try to take mid next time you're SS if you enjoy him, can really control the runes well once you hit 6. And you're not having to share farm with a Skelly :p
 
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