Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Vyke]

First off, who bought the wards? Outside of a tank who can start with cloth armor or someone who can roll boots first you're going to be at a health disadvantage for doing just that. Not to mention you have to go and place them, which is risky.

What? I didn't say you had to start with wards. But Warwick can easily fit a ward into his starting items if need-be. Moot point though.

Did you mean having wards in order to prevent ganks? That's not countering the jungler.

No, I meant placing wards at the Jungler's Blue and Red when you get a chance later on in the game. Earlier on, you'd most likely place wards to prevent ganks -and- to prevent them gaining a Dragon kill. I'm not sure you view not getting ganked by the jungler (or MIA) not countering them.

You could easily just not push a lane as hard to not get ganked by a jungler, either way.

What do you mean AS A TEAM to counter the jungler, anyway? In order to do that you need to leave your lane in order to fight at a general disadvantage, unless the other team isn't coordinated at all. Before you can even leave your lane you need to have it pushed past the river, which also is generally not good unless, again, the other team has no coordination.

Yes, generally both teams would be coordinated if it were a 5v5 premade, which I'm going to assume we're thinking of. That means both teams usually meet up at dragon to teamfight whenever a jungler attempts it. It's just how the current meta goes, it seems... or at least, how the top teams deal with it.

Or one team's blue or red is warded at some point in time and gets stolen, etc. This is usually later in the game when everyone has had the leeway to buy those few extra wards with that extra 90 gold leftover.

You can probably tell that I'm thinking about this as I type out my response, so I'll go ahead and speak what's on my mind currently regarding Jungling as a whole. While Riot has stated they want to steer it to be more of an option rather than a necessity, It's currently all the rage. As I see it now, the only real effective way to counter a jungler is to get out some constant harass on the jungler starting from level 1, and warding.

Other than that, trying not to get ganked. Yeah, you could pick that one character like Eve, or Shaco that would do a pretty good job of shutting down the other jungler. Though I don't see devoting time to making the game into a 4v4 a worthwhile effort when you could just communicate as a whole ... mostly what the higher ups are doing.

I'm rambling now, and I've typed too much. I don't really remember why I wanted to start a debate on this when looking back, it's sort of pointless until we actually reach the top. Panda would be more apt to comment, or Mogwai...

I just like speaking my feelings, I guess.

tl;dr: Disregard this I suck *****.

 

[Scamp]

Yeah it's not problem, we were just talking about two different things.

I was basically talking about pre-level 4, or in some cases pre-level 2. Pretty much anytime before people aren't expected to always be in their lane.

Counter-jungling is exceptionally strong if it works. It's not quite a 4v4 situation you're trying to turn the game into. If you get the kill you get exp from it, and if you take their buff from them it sets back many a jungler even more because they have to jungle much more slowly now. In addition, the jungler is usually a very key addition to their team so taking that character out early will give you a very strong early advantage which can often snowball. And there's also the first blood gold, too.

 

[N64]

mogwai makes me want to try jungle panth. Looks pretty fun.

 

[Vyke]

While I don't doubt counter jungling is strong, I just feel that if you're a good player you can work around it. There have been many times where I've been ganked and had my blue stolen as a jungler dependent on it, but all I really needed to do was lane for two or three levels before I was back on my feet. We didn't get quite the head start, but it wasn't as if it broke our game.

Jungle Pantheon is absurdly fun, if not a bit hard to pull off sometimes. But he's really strong, that's for sure.

 

[Wobbles]

Honestly I think it's funny for a jungler to start off in the "wrong" half and steal small golems and/or wraiths from the other guy. That way you can have a teammate drop a ward in *your* jungle and it becomes much easier to gank them if they come to your half to compensate.

 

[M3D]

New patch made the Mac client less stable. Sorry about the disconnect tonight Wobbles and Cactuar.

 

[Wobbles]

Oh God I'm awful with Swain. I had to play Urgot to make myself feel better.

Also, AP Urgot very late-game with Lichbane is a backdooring machine. True story.

/nobodycares

 

[Cactuar]

It's all good

 

[Vyke]

Tank Swain is pretty god **** legit. And fun.

Also... lol @ all these new TFs popping up from WCG matches. Moar food, MOAR

 

[Pakman]

Smurfing with snowball items is fun.

 

[KevinM]

Pak, I agree 100 percent ahaha

 

[_kSo_]

It's all good

cactuar plays too?? haha that's awesommmee

 

[Virgilijus]

Sometimes I start a game and my ping is 80. Then in the middle of laning it will go up to 600 and stay there for 5 minutes.

So lame

 

[AshuRawRun]

I want a European premade team , I can't bear pick up any longer, seriously I connect, I go mid Anivia, I make 3 kill (First blood) and then I gank top, because they were fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking feeding (like 7 death in 12 min or something like that) and then I kill 1, and the feeder top (Swain) said "I prefer go mid" and stole the mid, then he fed mid, he didn't say the miss and mid come top like 3 time and I got ****ed up 3vs1 because I had the worst Amumu on earth who was just feeding a Kassa+Swain more and more...

=>At 25 min, Anivia, 4 kill 2 death 0 assists, I changed my stuff with some ghost dancer blade to try Anivia full movement speed since Kassa already had his 20 stacks of Mejai and Amumu had like 3 lvl less than the second lowest level of the game...

And it's like this at ALL the game, I have 0 negative score (kill counting for 1 death for -1 and assist for 0,5) I even have more kill than death on almost all my games, except when I play Janna full support where I'm like 0,1,18
And ranked games are even worse than normal...

 

[Vex Kasrani]

So I just played my best game so far, 17/0/7, with Nidalee, thoughts on this character? She seems good and she's really fun.

Spear = win

 

[Scamp]

Nidalee has great damage output, mobility, and chasing ability.

However she has no CC at all and tend to fall off late-game.

 

[Leacero]

I think I just played against you in a normal pug game, ruin'.

 

[DanGR]

She's useful in certain team comps- pretty average overall though.

Having no form of CC hurts her a lot.

 

[M3D]

Yeah, Riot's created a game where CC of some sort is incredibly important. Nidalee is a really good pusher/ganker though. So if your team is CC heavy, you can easily go nuts with her.

I'm trying to decide between buying characters or digging deep for some new runes. I'd like to complete my dodge seals, but I'm really tempted to pick up Gragas now that I'm doing a lot more 3v3.

 

[Virgilijus]

She does have a form of CC on the loading screen if you pick the French Maid skin.

God knows I've been stunned for at least 10 seconds taking that all in.

 

[ruin`]

I think I just played against you in a normal pug game, ruin'.

Probably, I have been running teemo, soraka and olaf during public games. Just farming IP and having fun with teemo. my smurf tag is Xd4bagX

 

[Frolossus]

anivia is now tier 1 according to elementz ^_^
but kat is still fail tier :/

 

[Cia]

anivia is now tier 1 according to elementz ^_^
but kat is still fail tier :/

This does not surprise me at all.

except the kat thing. That's surprising. I think she's a *****.

 

[DanGR]

Nidalee bottom of tier 4.



...




Incoming buffs! Yay!

 

[ozg82889]

summoner name is ozg82889 so what it is here.

i can play normal games and 5v5 ranked games but not dual queued solo ranked games as im queue dodging in order to try to get my elo to 800 from 1300 so i can fool around and try to climb out of this "elo hell" if you are in the 800 elo range i can play with you then.

 

[john!]

i guess the secret's out that anivia is amazing.

i really want to try twitch because he seems like a faceroll champ, but he's 6300 and hasn't been free for ages.

 

[M3D]

Yeah, Jiji went NUTS with Anivia at WCG. He was incredible. Fortunately she is still hard enough to play that there won't be as many pretenders as there would be if he was playing an easier champ.

Honestly though, the more I play the less I think of Elementz tier list. His list is really reactionary. If he runs into someone really good with a champ, suddenly they get boosted. Galio is a perfect example. Ok, Galio had a great tournament at WCG, but the #1 champ in the game? Really? He is a great tank, has good poke, farm and a solid ult, but if he was the #1 champ in the game people would be rushing to ban/pick him and that's just not happening. Garen, Morg, Mummy and a few others are still considered more scary. Galio synergizes well with other AoE champs, but he's not the #1 champ in the game.

 

[Vyke]

That's what happens when you make a Tier list being only one person. I really think he ought to discuss it with teammates, or form some sort of team to come up with it and debate all night. He already told everyone it's bias... it's his opinion.

 

[Tom]

its still the best list

 

[Vyke]

Nobody else at High ELO puts forth the effort to update a list that would compare to his.

I wish Riot would just release the one they use for their internal champ fixing.

 

[DMG]

Riot's own tier list would look very janky. Random people who are gonna get nerfed will be top tier (Hey lets Nerf Zilean instead of Morgana or anyone top tier!) lol.

 

[Vyke]

It seemed pretty solid from what Shurelia gave away. Just wish we'd get the whole list...

 

[ruin`]

Riot determines the metagame. I like it. Obv some champs are going to be selected to become stronger than others.

When is Captain Teemo gonna be OP? Lulz, captain teemo bans.

 

[DMG]

captain teemo

ON DOOTEE *****H

Lol

 

[M3D]

I'm pretty sure Riot's internal list is based on stats pulled straight from the game. Clearly that is going to be more accurate that Elementz opinion or even the logs uploaded to lolbase. Kinda concerned that they are going to ruin Amumu and Morgana in the next patch. Riot is so pro at overnerfing that its not funny. It might be their highest leveled skill. They also buy Boots of Nerfing and a ScrewYourCharacter Cloak in every game, regardless of whether the other team is building.

 

[DMG]

They just need to find a way to make more champs "average" and focus on changing completely UP and completely OP champs instead of giving average champs buffs or nerfs till it goes too far and then reverse it.

 

[EC_Joey]

I'm pretty sure Riot's internal list is based on stats pulled straight from the game. Clearly that is going to be more accurate that Elementz opinion or even the logs uploaded to lolbase. Kinda concerned that they are going to ruin Amumu and Morgana in the next patch. Riot is so pro at overnerfing that its not funny. It might be their highest leveled skill. They also buy Boots of Nerfing and a ScrewYourCharacter Cloak in every game, regardless of whether the other team is building.

Noooooo! Amumu and Morgana are pretty much the only champs I play.

 

[M3D]

I actually think the answer is buffs, not nerfs. It is possible to balance high. I've seen it done and its always more fun. Riot should be looking for ways to properly buff lower champs, rather than nerfing the higher champs. This would lead to a more active and fluid A tier, with more potential for top tier champs to get knocked off just through metagame changes, rather than nerfs.

btw, AP Gragas... so much fun. I need to compare notes with SamuraiPanda.

 

[EC_Joey]

I actually think the answer is buffs, not nerfs. It is possible to balance high. I've seen it done and its always more fun. Riot should be looking for ways to properly buff lower champs, rather than nerfing the higher champs. This would lead to a more active and fluid A tier, with more potential for top tier champs to get knocked off just through metagame changes, rather than nerfs.

btw, AP Gragas... so much fun. I need to compare notes with SamuraiPanda.

I think the problem with buffs is that at much lower levels, the players that abuse their character's strengths the best will have a huge advantage over other players. I don't think Riot wants newbies who don't know how to counter "gay" strats to qq about "OP champs".

 

[DMG]

Currently, the game is like Brawl. We want it to turn out kinda like Melee, but not go too far and turn into Smash 64