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UTDZac

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I bought TF cause I really enjoyed playing him. I learned how to pick cards while team fighting, most useful thing ever. Problem with TF is he's got to many downsides to make him worthwhile. I hear AD TF is currently better than AP TF these days.

Maybe if, while using the legendary skin, TF would get in a box and reappear elsewhere coming out of a box I would play him more. Just maybe :p
 

fkacyan

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denyplank is horrifically unfun.

The only fun to be had is at the expense of your opponent's fun, which is something that you should strive to remove from PvP games.
How so?

Your opponent strives to kill as many of your creeps between cooldowns as possible while letting your lane push to make you gankable. Meanwhile you attempt to farm as many creeps with Q as possible to maximize gold intake while also harassing when possible.

Maybe you meant playing against, but I like that style of gameplay. Are you implying that HoN is played at the expense of your opponent's fun?

And in that case, take out teemo's ****ing mushrooms.
 

PhantomX

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His mushroom's do go against everything that Morello tries to implement. They are not only quite damaging and inhibiting (b/c of their slow) with no downside to Teemo when they are killed, but they are also stealthed.
 

fkacyan

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His mushroom's do go against everything that Morello tries to implement. They are not only quite damaging and inhibiting (b/c of their slow) with no downside to Teemo when they are killed, but they are also stealthed.
And they don't even give gold anymore.
 

Virgilijus

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Playing with SWFers >>> playing with Redditors.

Just had a game with a Jungle Plank where I had to solo top versus Tryn and Cho, got horribly denied, lost tower, got no help, rest of team went 4/18.

Literally the only action I saw was when I pinged Baron because I knew they were there, other team got it (at 19 minutes), then aced us. I finished 0/1/0 in maybe the least fun game I've ever played.

It was just the epitome of unfun :(
 

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I don't get Wickd's Irelia build. He says the core is Wriggle's and Youmuu's/Wit's and to max W first. How can this be effective? You have no tankiness so you explode in a fight. You have little burst since you maxed your W before your E. How does this work?
 

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is it just me, or do the squishy ranged champs who normally go mid get absolutely wrecked by irelia/xin/melee burst champs with gap closers? i see a lot of people on livestreams going mid with these guys and destroying the enemy ashe.
 

Frolossus

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is it just me, or do the squishy ranged champs who normally go mid get absolutely wrecked by irelia/xin/melee burst champs with gap closers? i see a lot of people on livestreams going mid with these guys and destroying the enemy ashe.
thats kinda how its supposed to work, however trist can lane to a decent extent against them
 

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^ so why is it common to send the ranged carry mid if they get beaten so easily by melee dps/burst champs?

also jarvan iv was announced, although the picture is kinda... mysterious lol
 

Shaya

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^ so why is it common to send the ranged carry mid if they get beaten so easily by melee dps/burst champs?

also jarvan iv was announced, although the picture is kinda... mysterious lol
Because people are too used to that standard.
And that standard won't get shifted in solo queues situations because its the standard and trying to argue against hivemind results in rage quits.
 

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Because it works in most other cases and lets the carry get farmed up, and if one of those melees happens to mid then you just have someone else take the lane.

In other news: Teemo. SOOOOO much fun ^_^ I still gotta learn to pull stealth tricks, but he's been fun so far
 

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What do you do when you're Teemo and the enemy has stronger harass than you? This has happened to me twice. I faced Kass solo mid, and i couldn't even last hit because if i tried he'd silence me. If I tried to blind and auto attack back, i'd take more damage just because of creep aggro. I couldn't do anything, at least that's how it seemed. Then there was the duo lane. Irelia and I were against Malph and Poppy. Same thing - if I tried to harass, malph would shard me for more damage than I dealt, and it's not like I could auto attack because him and poppy were just waiting to beat on me. I've always seen Teemo as a strong laner but...he just feels so weak when he's against someone of similar/larger range :(
 

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Teemo is pretty much only a good laner against anyone that doesn't have the means to harass him back.
 

Wobbles

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Vocal: 0/9/21 + null-magic mantle. Tadahh! 30 extra MR at the start, a bit of extra armor and a little more hp/5 based on your mana. Except against champs like Cait you're facing magic damage as their primary damage source at the start, and if they're a team that has slows and such you were gonna build Merc Treads anyhow.

Or 21/9/0 or whatever. But sink a few points into that MR and get the mantle and you'll do much better. At some point you have to take your lane opponents into account when you pick your starting items, unless you're Urgot in which case you buy a Meki Pendant because more QQ = more pew pew.
 

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Alistar is harder than I expected him to be. I kept seeing Jpak do like a Q-W combo or maybe it was W-Q idk. Im talking about how you can reach your target really fast and still stun them; its w-q right? Is there timing to it?

Oh and Aegis is good on him right?

my tanking abilities are rather limited beyond cho'gath and malph >.<
don't really play support champs anymore since soraka got the nerf bat
Pshh i got your back fro, ill feed you blues all day.
 

Vex Kasrani

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Alistar is harder than I expected him to be. I kept seeing Jpak do like a Q-W combo or maybe it was W-Q idk. Im talking about how you can reach your target really fast and still stun them; its w-q right? Is there timing to it?

Oh and Aegis is good on him right?
Aegis can work on him, hes that tanky support.

Headbutt combo's into Q, yes.
 

Kleeck

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What do you do when you're Teemo and the enemy has stronger harass than you? This has happened to me twice. I faced Kass solo mid, and i couldn't even last hit because if i tried he'd silence me. If I tried to blind and auto attack back, i'd take more damage just because of creep aggro. I couldn't do anything, at least that's how it seemed. Then there was the duo lane. Irelia and I were against Malph and Poppy. Same thing - if I tried to harass, malph would shard me for more damage than I dealt, and it's not like I could auto attack because him and poppy were just waiting to beat on me. I've always seen Teemo as a strong laner but...he just feels so weak when he's against someone of similar/larger range :(
I've been playing/watching a lot of Teemo in the last month or so. I've seen and found that a 8/21/1 AD build is ridiculous on him. Start with Dorans Shield and you can eat some harass if need be to pop a blind/poison harass very early. I've had good success with this vs Kass, eating his "purple ball of lols" and pushing him back with blind/autos. Doesn't take him long to get the picture, or die.

It might be worth mentioning that my runes are 21% AS with 13ArP/Mr. The AS is important because while you can handle some harass you still want to leave your opponent at lower hp and a poison tick as you back off to let your Doran's Regen tick. Slipping 2-3 autos in after a blinding dart will nearly guarantee this.

Best case scenario, they don't care that you're Beefmo and let you push two of these exchanges, but instead of backing out of the second or what would be your third pass you ghost/flash in close and either kill them or force them back to B. Worst case scenario, imo, is that they realize you are spec'd defensive and back off the early harass. Is that so bad though, really?

Go ahead, try it!
 

jpak

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What do you do when you're Teemo and the enemy has stronger harass than you? This has happened to me twice. I faced Kass solo mid, and i couldn't even last hit because if i tried he'd silence me. If I tried to blind and auto attack back, i'd take more damage just because of creep aggro. I couldn't do anything, at least that's how it seemed. Then there was the duo lane. Irelia and I were against Malph and Poppy. Same thing - if I tried to harass, malph would shard me for more damage than I dealt, and it's not like I could auto attack because him and poppy were just waiting to beat on me. I've always seen Teemo as a strong laner but...he just feels so weak when he's against someone of similar/larger range :(
Okust and rolos are the two best teemos imo. Okust runs an AP teemo with 9/0/21, rolos plays for my team and he goes a more unconventional 9/21/0 with bloodrazor and wit's end. Look up their profiles for runes/items. I am not sure how to play him though :(, teemo is not that bad, he sometimes get top picked in EU.

@Evanms - you have to have your summoners up to initiate unless you have reverie. Aegis is an overrated item and not as good as people think it is after it got nerfed a few patches back. If i am doing well in lane i get a philo stone if not i start with merc treads -> catalyst -> banshee. If I did get a philo stone i turn it into a reverie whenever I have enough. As for the combo it depends what summoners the person I am initiating on has. If he has flash i do Q+W if not I just do Q, wait to see his movements then W him back into my team. Sheen is also a good item but i'd get it after banshee. But I usually try to have my team have lots of damage if I am alistar.
 

Kleeck

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Okust and rolos are the two best teemos imo. Rolos plays for my team and he goes a more unconventional 9/21/0 with bloodrazor and wit's end.
Rolos is a wise man.

His TMO (Assuming this means "Teemo") rune page is far more beefy than mine, probably due to the fact that he plays against teams that actually focus. :)

If you're interested, he runs:
+4.2 Ar
+24Mr@18
+16Ar@18
+8.5Mp
+78Hp

Truly teh Beefmo.

Jpak, do you recall what Summoner Spells he runs? I'd venture a bet on Cleanse.
 

UTDZac

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I hear The Rain Man plays a pretty mean Teemo.
Not if you ask Hotshot XD. He was so upset at Rain Main's poor performance one game.

I think the key to Teemo is striving to survive early/mid game. Get farmed up, buy those helpful items, and get to wrecking.
 

jpak

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@Kleeck no cleanse, clenase isn't that good of a summoner spell, i think he uses ghost flash i don't remember. teemo has the mobility to position/kite really well so he isnt in the range of cc. If you are intersted I can ask him to stream some teemo when we play some ranked 5s tonight

Teemo needs a good early game and if you get rid of their first oracle teemo becomes really strong giving you complete map control. However getting rid of the first oracle isn't always that easy :(

MS quints may be good on alistar too, I'll give it a try today.
 

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I play again but I suck at this game and yeah. Get at me, my tag is Spife. I'll be on tonight, probably lurk the swf room (but I have 3 friends I play with so yeah).
Did I mention I suck? And Vent doesn't cooperate with me.
 
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