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jpak

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I remember when I said Irelia is OP and Mogwai told me Irelia is not that good and Xin is better :p
 

fkacyan

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a Xin with just Youmuu's doesn't do enough in most cases. He either needs LW + an AS item (Bloodrazor IMO) or Youmuu's + BC to really wreck havoc the way he's supposed to.

his ult does do 100% physical damage -_-.

Irelia's CC is better because it's instantaneousness. The fact that you have to wait 3 hits to get Xin's knockup really sucks when you need to disable something like a Kat/Nunu ult.
His CC operates regardless of their HP, though.
 

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I remember when I said Irelia is OP and Mogwai told me Irelia is not that good and Xin is better :p
:p I was wrong. It's not the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last time.

His CC operates regardless of their HP, though.
fair enough, but I still think Equilibrium Strike > Three Talon Strike.
 

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also, does anyone know what azen usually builds on lux?
We talked about Azen's Lux build a while back, but after two months of patches I'm sure its changed by now. He used to build her very AP heavy with very little survivability and not much CDR either. That may have changed based on the recent patches.

Also to note from Mogwai the last time we chatted about this:

when stealing Azen's builds, it is incredibly important to understand that Azen plays unbelievably cautiously and will literally never lose you the game. This typically manifests itself in builds that don't really care about survivability as he just never really lets himself get hit (from what I've seen).
So if your positioning can't match his, you may need to think about adding in some survivability. You can just do a search for his name in-game to look at his match history. Do it once a day or so and you are bound to eventually catch a couple Lux games you can copy.
 

fkacyan

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:p I was wrong. It's not the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last time.



fair enough, but I still think Equilibrium Strike > Three Talon Strike.
it's situational. Xin can set up TTS's first two hits early on creeps if needed.

I agree for the most part, though. Especially since people seem to love to initiate on Irelias.
 

Zolga Owns

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I'm just hoping people don't see how good Karma is. I'm unkillable unless I purposely go in to save a teammate with my body. :s
 

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Karma's fun as ****, but she's severely limitted by the fact that her level 6 skills feel like other character's level 5 skills :(, lol. She really needs a nudge in the upward direction so that she can actually scale as well as characters with ults :p. Slight increase on all her scaling and upping her Mantra capacity to 3 would go a long way, but I'd also really like to see mantra charged W deal its damage when cast on an enemy.
 

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Karma's fun as ****, but she's severely limitted by the fact that her level 6 skills feel like other character's level 5 skills :(, lol. She really needs a nudge in the upward direction so that she can actually scale as well as characters with ults :p. Slight increase on all her scaling and upping her Mantra capacity to 3 would go a long way, but I'd also really like to see mantra charged W deal its damage when cast on an enemy.
1) I agree, but at the same time this also could be a bit of an issue due to her *cough*interesting*cough* scaling on her Sheild(and it's mantra'd nuke). If that scaled any better...her early game would be a bit too much. (2.5 AP ratio like Nunu plz :p)

2) She just needs a slight buff, maybe like you said about the Mantra increase to 3..

3) YES. Why doesn't it damage enemies who are bonded? It seems like common sense.

4) My Jungle Karma is quite strong. I dunno why more people don't do it. She can gank contrary to popular belief. Mantra'd Soul bond + Red Buff...where the hell are you going? She can also keep herself healthier than most junglers due to her shield. Just my $0.02...
 

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That's not what I'd heard as far as the percentage damage is concerned. Need to do some personal testing.
That might have changed when they fixed Kogmaw's % health bug. Dunno, go test that.
 

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Azen's (oldish) lux build is something very similar to:

1. Tear of Goddess
2. Sorc Boots
3. Mejais
4. Death Cap
5. Void Staff (sell sorc boots, get CDR boots)
6. ArchAngels.

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Also... Xin is still very good in lane... I think tier 4 was a huge stretch.
It's really funny though, since hotshot said 'irelia is the new fotm' there was >9000 topics of "BUT XIN IS BETTER IN EVERY WAY" and now Irelia is tier 2 while Xin is tier 4, supposedly. haha

Xin is still the late game counter to just about every other melee dps though (he ****s all over yi, olaf, tryn ['the three hyper carries']). bar maybe Irelia because she has a stun.
And he mows down most ranged carries too.

Yeah sure Irelia may be a better pick, but I'd say Xin still has his strengths and is probably the second/third best melee soloer (imo he's better than current state pantheon.... I'm pretty sure he can hold his own against Irelia... but that insta stun on all those ranged carries with blinks is pretty 'big')
 

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I'm convinced that Kassadin is a terrible champion to play for Normal Mode because of Blind Pick. Kassadin is more of a counter champion because regardless of how much damage he may do to heroes and how many kills he may get, he can't really push at all, and gets hard countered by tanky DPS and stuns (which run rampant in Normal). Gonna have to keep him saved up for Ranked :(

That said, still having a blast with Blitzcrank. Showed Dekar why we always ban him in ARAM, lol.
It's free Teemo week. I will play Kass in every normal and enjoy it.

and also free morde week >.>
 

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a number of champions that were "balanced" for months have been nerfed to hell because of forum QQers
See quote below
because it's more fun to blame someone than to accept that maybe your character was above the power curve.
Agreed. Although a part of me wants to say that since they're a business, they have to listen to their customer. I hope that's not the case though.


While Irelia's name is coming up, how the hell should I be building her? I bought her on a whim (actually on a RNG -.-) and yeah she's weird.
 

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See quote below


Agreed. Although a part of me wants to say that since they're a business, they have to listen to their customer. I hope that's not the case though.


While Irelia's name is coming up, how the hell should I be building her? I bought her on a whim (actually on a RNG -.-) and yeah she's weird.
Hotshot posted a thread with a build thats a good reason she'll get ****ed on patch day. One on my team got quad in a level 1 teamfight just Qing ppl to ks.

Wriggles/Mercs/TriForce/SpiritVisage
 

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yo guys, my thingy is dashiz

i play anything that's needed on my team

alan also plays (peach player)

his is fannypak

he's a jungler mostly
 

StealthyGunnar

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so i played teemo tonight for the first time: i went 19-6-13 even tho we lost cuz it was a 4v5.

anyways, it's funny how i was mid 1v1 kennen, and he was complaining how pro and OP teemo is. such an idiot. next game was hilarious too, i went mundo and got the most kills on my team, went 12-0-4 and got warmogs, spirit visage, and almost force of nature at lvl 12 and they surrendered lol.
 

SuperBowser

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Does anyone think tanky dps characters are a little overpowered? Been playing joke teams with friends. We run characters like irelia/xin/trundle/olaf. The amount of facerolling we get away with is kind of sad and I honestly don't see a counter to it. Who needs a tank when you can all just charge in and kill the squishies!

If we had a zilean to round off the team we would be near invincible.
 

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howdoyou*****sbuildtrundle? like, is he one of those characters who NEED to be in the jungle or are useless? if so i'll be ): because i don't have jungler runes but I want him BAD.
 

SuperBowser

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Uhh, I don't use guides and just make up my own builds so maybe my build sucks. I think trundle is above average at laning. He has strong staying power, last hits effectively and can put out surprising damage. He can do very well with certain lane partners.

I build doran's shield, trinity force (phage and zeal first), lucidity/merc boots and frozen mallet. The outcome of the game is normally obvious from here but the items I get depend on the match. Haven't decided which are best yet. Guardian angel, banshee's, hexdrinker and tank items seem good. Been getting some great stats with this build.
 

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Well does anyone know good lux builds that arent azens then?

I play too aggro i suppose.
That's actually a really good build, it's what I use myself. You can skip the Mejai's if you want and still do fine. I've also heard of people rushing Deathfire on her so you don't need the CDR boots but her goal should be to not be close enough to use the active anyhow.

In other news, I've just turned 19 and my friends all chipped in to get me a gaming mouse. It's nice to have people that support your gaming habits :)
 

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my elo dropped 150 points today

lost 7 ranked in a row

in every game there was one idiot who just ruined the game

first there was a 2/12 ryze that didnt type in chat and fed their trist

then the two last picks picked anivia and teemo when we already had squishy ap and dps

then some noob tf that refused to leave mid. called himself a tower pusher and got 1 tower the whole game (which was like 40 minutes). he also used his ult repeatedly to return to mid from shopping. He fed there kass as well.

then our 3rd 4th and 5th picks dont have a tank between them. Of course they do, but as one said, he "doesnt tank"

then this guy who picks eve... goes 0-8 by 23 minutes. doesnt speak english

then some guy who only goes karma and focuses there morgana cause he says she does a lot of damage (ignoring trist and shaco which everyone else is trying to kill). she goes 0-6.

Im pretty sure that every game has one idiot who just feeds, and whoever has the idiot loses. no matter what you do u cant overcome the massive feed, lost towers, and 4v5's they create.

wtf i hate solo queue. now im at 1000 when i worked so hard to pull it up to 1200... i give up or i need to duo
 
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yeah it's elo hell.

you pretty much stay in it until you get to the point where you can carry hard enough that you can pull yourself out.

or you duo queue.
 

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Hotshot posted a thread with a build thats a good reason she'll get ****ed on patch day. One on my team got quad in a level 1 teamfight just Qing ppl to ks.

Wriggles/Mercs/TriForce/SpiritVisage

Wait, HotShotGG uses my Irelia build?

LOL
 

KevinM

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More like YOU use his build.

;)

(shut up and duo with me more again

except don't have your city turn off your internet mid game again :()
 

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Irelia is interesting..

my verdict?
Riot needs to buff Executioner's Calling (make it a passive that is applied by auto attacks for X seconds)
It was before I was playing but i think at one point EC was like this in LoL. It was obv. nerfed or removed though.:urg:
 

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Irelia is interesting..

my verdict?
Riot needs to buff Executioner's Calling (make it a passive that is applied by auto attacks for X seconds)
It was before I was playing but i think at one point EC was like this in LoL. It was obv. nerfed or removed though.:urg:
LoL Wikia said:
V1.0.0.75:
It no longer causes reduced healing on hit, but the damage over time effect can now hit minions.
It now has an active ability: for the next 10 seconds, your hits cause 50% reduced healing and regeneration for 7 seconds against champions; 60 sec cooldown.
Yea, apparently it used to just apply it on every hit. Making it an activation that gives you this ability might be interesting, but it seems pretty powerful to reduce the healing of an entire team, especially on ranged carries. Then again, Katarina can do it, so maybe it wouldn't be so bad after all
 

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literally every character that auto-attacked used to buy that EC and that made all healers UP. It needed to be changed.
Yea, I didn't read closely enough to see they had already tried that; that's the problem I figured we'd have, so it makes sense

edit:

Stonewall008 said:
Cho Gath is pretty overpowered - just people haven't realized it yet

Edit- Downvote all you like. When you sit down and look at Cho Gath you begin to realize this guy is amazingly built and more versatile than most champions. He gets banned or first picked a lot in EU.
tl;dr: Cho'Gath with be FotM in 1-2 months
 

Kleeck

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my elo dropped 150 points today

lost 7 ranked in a row

in every game there was one idiot who just ruined the game

first there was a 2/12 ryze that didnt type in chat and fed their trist

then the two last picks picked anivia and teemo when we already had squishy ap and dps

then some noob tf that refused to leave mid. called himself a tower pusher and got 1 tower the whole game (which was like 40 minutes). he also used his ult repeatedly to return to mid from shopping. He fed there kass as well.

then our 3rd 4th and 5th picks dont have a tank between them. Of course they do, but as one said, he "doesnt tank"

then this guy who picks eve... goes 0-8 by 23 minutes. doesnt speak english

then some guy who only goes karma and focuses there morgana cause he says she does a lot of damage (ignoring trist and shaco which everyone else is trying to kill). she goes 0-6.

Im pretty sure that every game has one idiot who just feeds, and whoever has the idiot loses. no matter what you do u cant overcome the massive feed, lost towers, and 4v5's they create.

wtf i hate solo queue. now im at 1000 when i worked so hard to pull it up to 1200... i give up or i need to duo
Myself and Dastrn are in similar situations. We're getting to the point where we understand the art that is surviving and slooooowly climbing out of Elo Hell. I'd be glad to Duo with you if our schedules mesh. In game name - Kleeck. I'm aight.
 

PhantomX

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Make sure you give Kleeck some sort of sobriety test before you play with him though. There's like a 20% chance he'll be sober, and that's when he plays well :p
 
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