Boofy!
Smash Champion
When you put it like that it sounds like I'd want AD over armor pen all the time.
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Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!
- Thread starter JTB
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I now own an AD champ... it's Urgot (trolololol).
Does this explain why Sorc Shoes are especially good earlyish game, since champs generally have only like 30-40 MR around that time?
Well, more than that with runes and stuff, but still.
Ye s
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
How do you beat Wukong solo top with Teemo?
You don't? Teemo sucks vs. AD nukers with gap closers, it's a bad matchup.
Niko45
Smash Master
I saw that pantheon yesterday. Dumping on everything.
I dunno mang, I just can't seem to lose with Pantheon in solo queue recently. Dphat's Taric going balls deep on everyone sure helped though, lol.
Yes, but those numbers mean absolutely nothing to me without a comparison to damage output with AD as opposed to ArPen.
That's not the point I was making. I was pointing out that flat ArPen is more effective vs. lower Armor targets than it is vs. higher Armor targets.
The AD vs. ArPen conversation is more complicated because of all sorts of variables throughout the game. And frankly, no one pays me to theorycraft LoL stuff, so it's not really worth my time to crunch all sorts of numbers on it unless I directly care about it, which, in the case of Riven, is not the case.
Niko45
Smash Master
Well it kinda sounds like a little bit of armor pen goes a long way, but not a lot of it.
Well, yeah. It's a little common sense. If you give it no other context then, hurr, you're gonna deal more damage to units with low armor than high armor otherwise armor wouldn't be worth building.
I'm exaggerating it's uselessness, but without some context to put it in and a conclusion to draw from it, you don't give much meaningful information.
I say this, not primarily to bust your balls, but because, in the context of the conversation, it's misleading. It makes it seem like you're putting these numbers out in support of ArPen being better than AD. When the data you presented doesn't reach that conclusion.
I get that you don't do League themed mathematics as a hobby. Neither do I, it's why I ask, but give me something to do with this information. At what point would you recommend armor pen and at what attack damage in a build? Say I've got a choice between a second Bloodthirster and Last Whisper. Give me an idea of when ArPen matters more than AD and vice versa. Not specific situations, that's my judgement call based on information I'm hoping to acquire.
Again you're missing the point of that information. You are busting my balls because I wasn't talking about what you're talking about. You're changing the subject of the conversation back to ArPen vs. AD, rather than when ArPen is at it's best, which is all I was talking about.
PX said this:
Which is a misinformed assertion because ArPen Reds/Quints are at their best vs. targets with low armor, not high armor, which is what I was proving with those numbers because they're straightforward and simple and I've had to explain this **** thousands of times to new players who don't understand how Penetration works. Nothing more. You want to draw conclusions about the comparison with AD, you run the numbers. I on the other hand, was merely pointing out that flat ArPen is at it's best vs. low Armor targets and giving easy numbers to back it.
Which is misleading given the context of PhantomX's quote. I thought you were implying that one was superior. I have since recognized that I was wrong. I was asking for further information if you have it in my last post. If you don't, then you don't.
I'm not denying that I'm changing the subject back to ArPen vs. AD. It's a more useful topic. Without some idea of the effects comparatively, the fact that ArPen does more against lower armor units is trivia similar to someone calling me out for misusing the word "their."
I'm not denying that I'm changing the subject back to ArPen vs. AD. It's a more useful topic. Without some idea of the effects comparatively, the fact that ArPen does more against lower armor units is trivia similar to someone calling me out for misusing the word "their."
Actually, I take that back. It does, indeed, correct a bad assumption, but it only resets the situation after taking away a false positive.
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25 armor pen best n00b raper i recommend it lower elos
nowadays though i been using armor pen reds + flat AD quints, probably not ideal but i sincerely do not give a **** about numbers per se
nowadays though i been using armor pen reds + flat AD quints, probably not ideal but i sincerely do not give a **** about numbers per se
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wtf is hard to understand about mogwais post ROFL
john!
Smash Hero
ok it's like this
every point of armor that you buy is less cost-effective if you already have high armor. the difference between 0 and 10 armor is huge, but the difference between 100 and 110 armor is not huge.
therefore, getting 10 points of armor pen when your opponent has 10 armor is huge, and getting 10 points of armor pen when your opponent has 110 armor is not huge.
so if you're in lane against jarvan or poppy or something, you don't want armor pen, because jarvan/poppy have high armor and your armor pen won't make as huge of a difference.
however, if you use AD runes to increase your AD from (for example) 50 to 55, then that's a flat 10% damage increase on autoattacks, regardless of the enemy's armor.
every point of armor that you buy is less cost-effective if you already have high armor. the difference between 0 and 10 armor is huge, but the difference between 100 and 110 armor is not huge.
therefore, getting 10 points of armor pen when your opponent has 10 armor is huge, and getting 10 points of armor pen when your opponent has 110 armor is not huge.
so if you're in lane against jarvan or poppy or something, you don't want armor pen, because jarvan/poppy have high armor and your armor pen won't make as huge of a difference.
however, if you use AD runes to increase your AD from (for example) 50 to 55, then that's a flat 10% damage increase on autoattacks, regardless of the enemy's armor.
Pikaville
Pikaville returns 10 years later.
Just played Soraka mid and it was extremely funny.
Out farmed their carry by around 50.
Crushed Kat mid somehow.
All I did was silence her all day and starcall her *** back behind whatever was left of her minions.
Out farmed their carry by around 50.
Crushed Kat mid somehow.
All I did was silence her all day and starcall her *** back behind whatever was left of her minions.
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Guest
OH MY GOD, no ONE GIVES A **** ABOUT UR NOOB NORMAL GAME EXPLOITS
YOU AND EVERY OTHER ****ER IN THIS THREAD YOU ****ING HOMO *** *******
YOU AND EVERY OTHER ****ER IN THIS THREAD YOU ****ING HOMO *** *******
We are complete opposites
john!
Smash Hero
s2j saying what lots of us are thinking in the most straightforward way possible... since 2006
I read every single S2J post in this thread.But no one cares what s2j says.
Teh Brettster
Smash Master
I've wanted for a while now to see how an Urgot/Leona lane works out..
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
who doesn't care what s2j says?But no one cares what s2j says.
also, how do graves, corki, and ashe stack up as ad carries?
Lovage
Smash Hero
AD CARRIES SOLO QUE
S
kog maw
A+
graves
urgot
A
corki
vayne
ashe
B+
my cait
mf
B
kennen
everyone else's ****TY cait
C
trist
sivir
S
kog maw
A+
graves
urgot
A
corki
vayne
ashe
B+
my cait
mf
B
kennen
everyone else's ****TY cait
C
trist
sivir
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Corki is top 3 imo.
Lovage
Smash Hero
NOPe incorrect my word is law
Frolossus
Smash Lord
why is urgot so high? i mean he can dominate the laning phase but after that then he falls off right?
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i like ashe the best, good ashes are more than just farm bots ~ micro hard in team fights and can singlehandedly define the flow of the game
then kogmaw/graves/ corki about equally
urgot is extremely good also but u have to be very very good with him to be ****
otherwise i'd put him pretty close to sivir level
then kogmaw/graves/ corki about equally
urgot is extremely good also but u have to be very very good with him to be ****
otherwise i'd put him pretty close to sivir level
Geoberos
Alicorn or not, my mane mare, my unicorn, Twilight
No solo queue AD Carry Ez in the list?
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Gave my team's bot Urgot 1:55 blue while jungling, by the time I got to wolves, he got a double kill. Bot snowballed, never needed to gank.
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Gave my team's bot Urgot 1:55 blue while jungling, by the time I got to wolves, he got a double kill. Bot snowballed, never needed to gank.
Doesn't Twitch snowball out of control in Solo queue due to people not knowing the power of Vision wards/Oracles?
Lovage
Smash Hero
no ezreal cuz i dont play him much dont wanna be inaccurate