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[choknater]

i still cant do gr dacus LOL

and as for throws

i just do whatever throw i feel like i can **** after

never uthrow, ****s gay

 

[<π]

I can't gr dacus consistently either

I was getting wreck by MKs tonight... not fun...

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Yay for consistent GR DACUS!!!

 

[Judo777]

I can do it pretty consistent in friendlies but when the pressure is on in tournaments i just can't get it off.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I pray to the DACUS god before each MK match that he will let GR> DACUS and beat the evil in this game.

 

[<π]

lol there is no dacus god!

 

[-dMT-]

I pray to the DACUS god before each MK match that he will let GR> DACUS and beat the evil in this game.

As do I my friend. As do I...

 

[Dcold]

It's all about instant reaction and knowing the exact moment you have to perform the DACUS. Basically as soon as they are approaching the peak of the GR. Just have to be fast with the DACUS, lately i've been able to do it a third of the time since i play an MK like everyday. Even if you're good at DACUS it's still one of her hardest timings. =/

 

[saviorslegacy]

It's all about instant reaction and knowing the exact moment you have to perform the DACUS. Basically as soon as they are approaching the peak of the GR. Just have to be fast with the DACUS, lately i've been able to do it a third of the time since i play an MK like everyday. Even if you're good at DACUS it's still one of her hardest timings. =/

Yes we know how to do it... it is just DACUSing from a standing position 100% of the time is hard.

I've been playing CPU MK's to try and master it. I can do it maybe 7-% of the time though.
I want to get to about 95% of the time. If I could do it 100% of the time then I should take the DACUS god title because no one can DACUS out of a GR 100% of the time. Not messing up once at all is pretty impressive.

 

[ZomgNinjah!!!1]

What is the most effective way to beat a Mr. Game & Watch?

 

[ZomgNinjah!!!1]

We are each our own DACUS gods lol

 

[ddonaldo]

play campy vs G&W, force him to approach you. approach him and he will most likely punish you HARD. G&W cant do anything vs needles so that should be what you are doing while he is at a distance and then just punish whatever he does

 

[-Mars-]

Just play super gay vs G&W. If the G&W player is stupid enough to telegraph his approaches, then you should be punishing him on landing with needles or with a SH chain. G&W is one of thsoe characters that thrives on momentum....as long as you can slow the pace of the match down and avoid any early percentage kills this matchup isn't that bad. You just need to be extremely patient.

 

[choknater]

just needle camp gw all dai

we have to play gay vs gay characters

 

[Judo777]

Yes we know how to do it... it is just DACUSing from a standing position 100% of the time is hard.

I've been playing CPU MK's to try and master it. I can do it maybe 7-% of the time though.
I want to get to about 95% of the time. If I could do it 100% of the time then I should take the DACUS god title because no one can DACUS out of a GR 100% of the time. Not messing up once at all is pretty impressive.

Actually i find DACUSing from a standing position much easier than a running one. And no one is gonna be able to do it 100% of the time thats just silly. You will mess up eventually. I can't even do easy things like B reversing or even vanish cancels 100% of the time. I can't even do uair cancel 100% of the time lol.

i think the hardest part of GR>DACUS is starting it at the right time. I think 70% of the time at least of failed GR>DACUS is from mistiming beginning the execution instead of actually misexecuting the DACUS inputs.

 

[choknater]

what's a vanish cancel?

 

[-Mars-]

When you do the laglesslandthingamajiggercockanater

 

[choknater]

oh ok i know that thing

 

[FrozenFire13]

If you're having trouble gr dacus against MK, just chain camp him. SH it near a ledge and its, from all the experience I've had against MK with it, technically impossible for him to reach you. Seriously, chain ***** MK. TRY IT.

 

[-Mars-]

Wow FrozenFire I had no idea.....thank you for this info.

 

[Judo777]

It's almost completely safe but you have to be careful they can generally hit you from above and behind with dair. You might be able to defend but its hard to do and if they keep trying they will get you before they take the second hit if they are smart. But if you retract as they are going overhead u can make it safe. Most importantly they HAVE to go over you.

 

[FrozenFire13]

Wow FrozenFire I had no idea.....thank you for this info.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic/patronizing or if you really didn't know and are sincere.
At risk of looking like an idiot, I'll say you're welcome and glad I could help.

Judo: Yeah it can be tough sometimes, but as long as you SH it, I'm pretty sure its impossible for him as long as you do things right (like retracting it when he starts going behind you)

On levels with platforms, its obviously easier and safer from the dair. I was at a tourney recently where I wrecked a MK with almost nothing but the chain and gr dacus. I wish I got them recorded

 

[-Mars-]

I was being an *******.....I apologize.

 

[saviorslegacy]

If you're having trouble gr dacus against MK, just chain camp him. SH it near a ledge and its, from all the experience I've had against MK with it, technically impossible for him to reach you. Seriously, chain ***** MK. TRY IT.

*has

Wow FrozenFire I had no idea.....thank you for this info.

I've told you before you smart ***!

I wish I got them recorded

Would've been nice......

I was being an *******.....I apologize.

k, I say we ignore lynching <3 for now and put our focus on Mars.... even if he isn't full black

Spoiler

Nah man j/k. You know I wouldn't start a riot on you..... when you can see it.......

 

[Kitamerby]

Just curious, how does Sheik do against ZSS?

Also, is there a Sheik xat/chat/irc?

 

[saviorslegacy]

Just curious, how does Sheik do against ZSS?

Also, is there a Sheik xat/chat/irc?

I fight a ZSS main quite often. In fact he is my best friend.
(Pervert use's a skin hack called Birthday Suit Samus...... but that is beside the point.)


Anyways, I find that she does pretty well.
I have no problems with her. Just Bair/Fair suit pieces and toss them of stage ASAP.
ZSS can use suit pieces better than you so it is smart to get rid of them.

Avoid getting above her!
Power shield her third jab (piss's him off sooo much lol).
Try and use Needle's to limit her recovery. Since Needle stop all momentum they could help you out some.
SDI out of USmash.
SDI out of ^B.
FOR HEAVEN SAKES AVOID DSMASH AT THE LEDGE!!!!!! I get so mad because he mixes up ledge hogging and DSmash so that he can usually get a DSmash> VB spike on me. @-@


To beat ZSS just penetrate her defense's by attacking with Bair. The whole idea is to get her in the air. Once in the air you can have your way with her. Also use DThrow to get her in the air frequently. Beware of her shifting her location with VB. When she does attempt to punish with DACUS or Needle's.
Needle's also are **** in this match up.



We have no active chat rooms.
I just use AIM or my cell phone to chat with other Sheik mains.

 

[-Mars-]

If we got a chat room up and running I would be in it every night.

 

[saviorslegacy]

If we got a chat room up and running I would be in it every night.

I would too

 

[stealth3654]

We had a Xat chat thing up, but it was always empty.

 

[ddonaldo]

about shield DI, it seems it gets quite a boost if you grab at the end of it or something. Not sure how it works and I dont have my wii to experiement.
Also it wasnt a multi-hit attack I was being hit by, I will have the vid up soon

 

[ddonaldo]

Here it is
There might be something im missing, or is most likely not suprising to most of you, (I personally was surprised when SL first mentioned this) but doing this against snake's and MK's f-tilt and then grabbing/attacking from behind seems to be useful (although MK's is probably too fast to work)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd1hB1nuLns

 

[saviorslegacy]

about shield DI, it seems it gets quite a boost if you grab at the end of it or something. Not sure how it works and I dont have my wii to experiement.
Also it wasnt a multi-hit attack I was being hit by, I will have the vid up soon

That is because a grab can carry momentum into a slide.

(I personally was surprised when SL first mentioned this)

why?

 

[<π]

I don't think that was sheild DI in your vid Ddonaldo. I think that was you getting hit back the fsmash. it will hit you in that direction.

I'm not 100% on this but stand directly in front of link and sheild his fsmash with no other input the result should be very similar to you vid.

most moves have knock back based on where you hit with the hit box. if you get hit by the left side you go right regardless. there are moves that are an exception to this rule like sheik's bair. but you'll see this happen a lot. This is why reverse fair is such a neat tool.

 

[ddonaldo]

my bad, thanks for the explaination <3
and @ SL, i was surprised because it was the first time I had heard of it, caught my interest would have probably been a better way to phrase it XP

 

[ZomgNinjah!!!1]

Hey guys,

I have a question about Shiek which is admittedly NOT in your favor to answer, but I'm looking for a little charity, here. Just to butter you up, I'll admit that I think Shiek is D*MN cool in Brawl, and some of the tactics Shiek mains are using today I think are incredibly inventive and exciting.

I'm a competitive Ganon main, and I don't counterpick for any match-up, even Shiek. I know, it's kind of self-depreciating. Anyway, I've recently made a thread in the Ganon boards where we're reanalyzing all the specific issues which hold Ganon back. Some of them are character specific, so of course Shiek's FTilt lock was one of the first issues I posted. I'm looking for a little information, straight from the source, because the information I'm getting from Ganon mains is varied, and I need corroboration.

These questions all assume that the Shiek is FTilt locking Ganon "perfectly".

1. What are the optimal percentages for you to look to FTilt lock someone (specifically a heavy, like Ganon)

2. What is the earliest Ganon can escape from a perfect FTilt lock, barring Shiek input error?

3. What is the best DI and SDI for one to use to get out of the FTilt lock?

Like I said, these questions are not favorable for you to answer, and there's a good chance that you don't know the specific answers to them. However, I figured that the Shiek boards have done more testing of FTilt lock than most Ganon's have been exposed to, and in the spirit of sharing, I hope you might oblige me.

The thread I referred to earlier is here: Ganon iz a MYTHBUSTA: Reanalyzing Ganon's Shortcomings. Feel free to stop by and give input.

<3 DAD

You have no idea how much I respect people who legitimately main F tiers

 

[-Mars-]

it's really great that you let us know that by quoting a post from january lol.

 

[stealth3654]

On a scale from 1 - 10, 10 being the best, how good is Sheik's neutral air's priority?

 

[-dMT-]

6?

10char

 

[saviorslegacy]

On a scale from 1 - 10, 10 being the best, how good is Sheik's neutral air's priority?

Priority does not exist.

 

[Zankoku]

Yes it does.