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General Discussion & Character Rankings

Sieg

Smash Champion
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It's not even the Ray's that are hard.

It's the ****ing choke scene before it.

Also Vamp.

I'd be up for Euro Extreme run. MGS1/3 are my best games.
 

xXArrowXx

Smash Champion
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Brisbane, QLD, Australia
i beat mgs 1 yesterday for the first time in 9 hours on normal =P its not that good but i guess i could speed it up.. considering most of the time wasted was on stupid ****.
 

luke_atyeo

Smash Hero
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skipping everything and knowing exactly where to go and what to do you could probably finish 1 within 3 hours or so I'd imagine.
 

Rad

Smash Ace
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555
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Gosford, NSW
Hey Pezza I'm just wondering what you mean by that comment because over the internet it can be difficult to interpret some of the subtleties that you'd otherwise understand in an actual conversation that is in the flesh and face to face.
 

Splice

Smash Hero
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AUS
The D3 player still lost the set. :c

First match was real good by the D3 a lot to be learnt there.

But then M2K just planked and got his head straight (The D3 was in M2Ks head in game 1, allowing him to ... be gooder) so yeah. But in game 1 so many cool tricks by the D3 :O

D3 is totally unviable when theres no LGL :D
 

dean.

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No problem Mr. Rad, it's just a general jab at a large amount of the Smash populace (not really Australians, though) who claim he is unviable as a main due to "unwinnable" matchups.

Then again, M2K went and showed in game 3 that he is unviable without a ledgegrab limit. Whoops, silly me!

Feel free to call me Dean, by the way... Pezza's just a username, no one has ever called me that.
 

Attila_

The artist formerly known as 'shmot'
BRoomer
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coney lost to norfair, not to mk. d3 is totally viable and one of the best characters in the game. i've been saying it for ages.
 

Shaya

   「chase you」 
BRoomer
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Dedede can be very good,
it's just that to handle the bad match ups people can throw at you (Falco, MK, Pikachu, etc etc) plus all the match ups you can lose if they get a stock lead due to uber camping, it's hard to win.

Like, Dedede is the type of character, that if there was no such thing as 'getting timed out' (and ledge grabs were still monitored), he would still be in the upper echelons of characters. A lot of characters he loses to because they can time him out, he can live to like 200% against, and that's while he's trying his best to approach rather than being meticulous and getting chip damage.
 

Splice

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coney lost to norfair, not to mk. d3 is totally viable and one of the best characters in the game. i've been saying it for ages.
Lost to Norfair? He also lost on his Counterpick Attila so you're talking ****

I've also never heard you say anything about D3. At all.

Still Coney had oppurtunity in Game 1 (not 2 and 3) to do good stuff I hope Conor and Dean can pick some stuff up. Game 2 and 3 M2K put on the plank due to no LGL, and regardless of that he did play a lot safer because obviously Coney destroyed him first game and he needed to do something different so he didn't get pressured so much.

I don't really think D3 is any higher than A tier but I mean all characters are viable up to Sonic at least, so...

But back on topic, we really need to get Khoa to join the scene again. Make it happen!
 

Attila_

The artist formerly known as 'shmot'
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Easy up big fella.

I probs shouldve sad he lost to ledging, which we ban anyway, but whatever. Norfair is the easiest stage to ledge on, anyway.

And I'm sure I've said on multiple occasions that d3 would be king of the metagame if mk was banned, and mk was the only one holding him back. And even then, who doesn't he hold back? Maybe a snake main's bias, but it doesn't make it untrue.
 

Vlade

Social Outcast
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Marth would be the best character in the game if MK were banned

Is Falco really that bad for Dedede? :< silly Victoria with it's lack of Falcos...
I'd say it's 60:40 Falco's favour. DDD has a tough time approaching but can punish Falco's mistakes hard. It's winnable for DDD but I'd consider Falco as a 'soft counter'.
 

dean.

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Marth would be the best character in the game if MK were banned



I'd say it's 60:40 Falco's favour. DDD has a tough time approaching but can punish Falco's mistakes hard. It's winnable for DDD but I'd consider Falco as a 'soft counter'.
I'm pretty sure Diddy would become the best character; Marth has weaknesses other than MK lying around...
Top tier might actually be pretty balanced; there probably wouldn't be a huge amount seperating Snake, Diddy Kong, Falco, Marth, Ice Climbers, Wario, Olimar, Pikachu, King Dedede etc.

I'd say 55:45/60:40. My experience is pretty much a solitary friendly with Scoot and a handful with Khoa, though. Plus I still lack experience and aren't very good :)
 

Shaya

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Dedede v Falco is very stage dependant though.

On BF it can be close to even.
Yoshi's Island and Lylat are similar.

But Smashville (well if dedede can get a lead here, he has a lot of options to camp falco with) and FD are like "LOL LOSE".
 

M

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Until all Diddy's have that infinite down consistently. I doubt he'd be the best character in a non-MK environment.... Too many iffy evenish matchups scattered around.
 
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