Gears of War 3

[Sinister Slush]

Bored, gonna play. Come join me if you guys feel like it.
Not doing quick match though, too many bots since we played last time.

 

[Pluvia]

Though would it make it more tolerable for the masses that can't deal with it now?

Think about it, with Gnasher range people will use the Gnasher more, they'll get into Gnasher battles and as always the person with the better aim will win. This will be fine with Gnasher vs Gnasher but Gnasher vs SO will make people cry "You don't have to aim with it".

 

[MuraRengan]

Though would it make it more tolerable for the masses that can't deal with it now?

Think about it, with Gnasher range people will use the Gnasher more, they'll get into Gnasher battles and as always the person with the better aim will win. This will be fine with Gnasher vs Gnasher but Gnasher vs SO will make people cry "You don't have to aim with it".

I don't think it's fair to assume that people wouldn't be content with decreasing the range. I think most will find it reasonable that this (supposedly) beginner level gun takes less aim. The main thing I dislike about it stats-and-attributes-wise is the range, not the spread. One shot with the same range as the Gnasher but a broader spread and long reload time seems like a fair trade off to me. Of course, I can't speak for everyone, some peopel will probably still hate that it takes no aim, but the gun is premised on that. That premise can't be changed, but decreasing the range would give Gnasher players no reason to complain because now that the range isn't ridiculous, they have more of an opportunity to keep out of its range.

There's a lot of things to be discontent about with this game, but very few are genuine problems. No one's complaining about the ARs being better, even though Gears vets from 1 and 2 aren't used to it. No one has complained about the return of the 2-melee down, even though it was a big problem in the previous 2. No oen is complaining about the mantle'kick's super glitchiness and very poor implementation into the game. I think the average player has some sense of fairness, and a change that makes the SO more fair would be taken well.

On a similar note: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoJunk1zxhQ

Hilarious. 2:40 made me die of laughter.

 

[WindMajor]

It is pretty frustrating knowing that you got killed while the guy was playing on easy mode (with the SO). Whether it's fair or not is irrelevant to how much fun a player is having.

If people don't enjoy the game, then the game fails from an entertainment standpoint. The point of a game is to be fun. Nobody wants to play a game that isn't fun, and if a game can't be enjoyed from a casual standpoint, then your game fails. From a hardcore standpoint it's different.

The reason for the SO is to make games easier for new users by giving them a really strong starting weapon. In the hands of a veteran, the weapon turns more into an easy mode switch than it turns into a handicap for bad players.

A good solution for the weapon was proposed pages ago: level lock the SO. It helps out the noobs, and reduces the illusion of people strolling around on easy mode.

Another good solution would be adding a hardcore playlist, with the noob weapons removed.

 

[MuraRengan]

If people don't enjoy the game, then the game fails from an entertainment standpoint. The point of a game is to be fun. Nobody wants to play a game that isn't fun, and if a game can't be enjoyed from a casual standpoint, then your game fails. From a hardcore standpoint it's different.

I don't see where the SO makes the game infinitely more enjoyable from a Gears w/o the SO. IMO, Epic's main goal with the MP should be improving the experience. Casual enjoyment is already pretty much guaranteed, everyone likes shooting other people and chainsawing them to death. I don't think it's absolutely necessary to have an easy mode so that new players can enjoy it. In my experience with CoD, there was no easy-mode. I spent most of my time getting shot from out of nowhere and having no clue what's going on. That wasn't fun for me, but clearly it's fun for others. In that same manner, I'm pretty sure new gamers will take time to learn the game and learn what to enjoy about it. That's a much better solution than just handing success to them on a silver platter.

In general, Gears should stop trying to compete with CoD and other shooters, because, honestly, no one gives a damn about gears. At any given point in the day, the only game mode with more than 10k people playing is TDM; however, campaign and horde are often well above 100k. Clearly, MP isn't Gears's attractive point, so I don't see why Epic is so dead-set on making the mp enjoyable for a mass of newbs that don't even play it.

 

[WindMajor]

I meant that playing with a sawed off in hand is basically playing on easy mode, cause you know, you don't even have to try all that much.

I didn't mean to actually put in a easy mode.

 

[Pluvia]

It's good that you're optimistic about it but I still think that the majority of people will still be complaining about the SO after this inevitable nerf.

SO users will still camp behind walls, bad Gnasher users will still try and gib SO users, and SO users still wont "have to aim". The only difference is that Gnasher users might have 1 bullet which they'll be able to try and gib the SO user with first, before they're splattered all over the wall by someone who didn't aim at them.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Didn't know I had to wait almost an hour for some update.
Now i'm gonna play, actually maybe i'll just join Pluvia.

 

[MuraRengan]

http://www.oxm.co.uk/34676/features/five-reasons-you-shouldnt-hate-the-sawed-off-shotgun/

This kind of thing is why I think Epic won't do anything about the SO.

"Gears 3's new shotgun is more about fine-tuning the Gnasher than anything else."

Seriously? Putting a gun in the game just to mess with another gun? It's basically saying that people got too out of control with using skill to kill with the gnasher and they just HAD to make something to counter it specifically. This is such bull****.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

http://www.oxm.co.uk/34676/features/five-reasons-you-shouldnt-hate-the-sawed-off-shotgun/

This kind of thing is why I think Epic won't do anything about the SO.

"Gears 3's new shotgun is more about fine-tuning the Gnasher than anything else."

Seriously? Putting a gun in the game just to mess with another gun? It's basically saying that people got too out of control with using skill to kill with the gnasher and they just HAD to make something to counter it specifically. This is such bull****.

About a minute ago someone told me they're reducing the SO gib range. I'll try and confirm that, though.

 

[MuraRengan]

http://epicgames.com/community/2011/10/gears-of-war-3-weapon-stats-sawed-off-range-and-more/

All right, Pluvia, you were right. SO has been changed.

I won't get to play for a few hours (possibly not any today). I really want to see what's been done.

 

[Pluvia]

Well I never actually knew it got nerfed that's just a weird coincidence.

But look at the staggerring amount of Lancer kills compared to the other 2 rifles. Heck the lancer has the most everything bar kills in quick matches, so that's put me off Ranked even more.

 

[The Real Gamer]

"After hearing your feedback, we have reduced the gib range of the Sawed Off Shotgun in Gears of War 3 and it no longer gibs farther than the gnasher, effective today. We want to thank you for your helping us to make Gears of War 3 the best of the series."

I always had faith in you, Epic! I never lost hope!

 

[o-Serin-o]

Thank you, Based God.

 

[Master Xanthan]

The range still seems the same to me but whatever.

 

[The Real Gamer]

http://epicgames.com/community/2011/10/gears-of-war-3-weapon-stats-sawed-off-range-and-more/

I would also like to add that the fact that the Lancer is dominating in the number of kills in Ranked matches (where most of the experienced players are) as opposed to the Gnasher only shows how campy Gears 3 is.

One last thing you need to do Epic... Nerf the AR's!

 

[Master Xanthan]

I would also like to add that the fact that the Lancer is dominating in the number of kills in Ranked matches (where most of the experienced players are) as opposed to the Gnasher only shows how campy Gears 3 is.

One last thing you need to do Epic... Nerf the AR's!

Not all of them need to be nerfed. Just the lancer.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Not all of them need to be nerfed. Just the lancer.

The Retro gets on my nerves sometimes but yeah I agree.

 

[ThreeX]

Yeeeah I'm testing it out in private but I'm still seeing crazy gibs :\

 

[Pluvia]

Wow this is just terrible. I actually feel bad for the people using the SO now, I've played quite a few matches and no one uses the SO now, and when they do they get decimated.

Also it's server side only private matches don't count.

 

[Fuelbi]

What the **** man? Why the hell did Epic do that? Now I can't abuse the **** out of the SO anymore and I actually have to use skill

Might drop the game now, or well may consider it if the Lancer gets nerf'd as well

 

[SwampertTheGreat]

What the **** man? Why the hell did Epic do that? Now I can't abuse the **** out of the SO anymore and I actually have to use skill

Might drop the game now, or well may consider it if the Lancer gets nerf'd as well

Lmfao.Don't even have anything to say about this

 

[Master Xanthan]

What the **** man? Why the hell did Epic do that? Now I can't abuse the **** out of the SO anymore and I actually have to use skill

Might drop the game now, or well may consider it if the Lancer gets nerf'd as well

notsureifserious

 

[Fuelbi]

I'm being serious, I like playing the MP of gears to abuse it. I salivate in the thought of receiving hate mail from randoms when I go the entire game 15-2 or something and they go negative because all I have to do is shoot someone without aiming and run away or wall bounce around the second guy until I reload and kill him as well.

Literally I play Gears to piss others off

 

[SwampertTheGreat]

I'm being serious, I like playing the MP of gears to abuse it. I salivate in the thought of receiving hate mail from randoms when I go the entire game 15-2 or something and they go negative because all I have to do is shoot someone without aiming and run away or wall bounce around the second guy until I reload and kill him as well.

Literally I play Gears to piss others off

Just saying things like "Why would Epic do that?" is what makes me laugh
If you're willing to drop a game because you can't abuse stuff anymore I really dont know what to say

 

[Fuelbi]

Just saying things like "Why would Epic do that?" is what makes me laugh
If you're willing to drop a game because you can't abuse stuff anymore I really dont know what to say

It's like Epic is out to make my life worse why the hell would they not make the SO not abusable anymore?

 

[Pluvia]

Who cares people.

Who cares how he played. If he's going to drop it then let him.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

Like I said. Kids who play these games don't actually want to play and have fun.

Also, not going to name anyone specifically but......you have to be at least 17 to play these games. #justalittleembarrassingifyouaren'tevenoldenoughtoplaythegame

 

[o-Serin-o]

I'm a ******, I'm a ******, I'm a ******, and I actually have to use skill

Might drop the game now, since I can't be a ******.

I'm being serious, I like taking rough strong long **** in the booty.

Literally I play Gears to receive such good ****.

It's like Epic is out to make my life worse why the hell would they take away my good **** receiving?

What I read.

Don't be such a ******.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

What I read.

Don't be such a ******.

Serin wins. ggnore.

 

[Pluvia]

Ok I just played 7 matches and I think I saw about 5 SO kills during the entire thing. Everyone has switched to the Gnasher and, just like I thought they would, they start camping back and Lancering when you destroy them. I had 3 matches that just turned into Lancer fests due to the other team not being able to beat us in Gnasher duals.

This isn't balance. You don't even have to be weary of SO users anymore, you can kill them before they reach you or gib them when they reach you.

 

[SwampertTheGreat]

Ok I just played 7 matches and I think I saw about 5 SO kills during the entire thing. Everyone has switched to the Gnasher and, just like I thought they would, they start camping back and Lancering when you destroy them. I had 3 matches that just turned into Lancer fests due to the other team not being able to beat us in Gnasher duals.

This isn't balance. You don't even have to be weary of SO users anymore, you can kill them before they reach you or gib them when they reach you.

They need to keep the SO patch and nerf the lancer
Then all shall be good

 

[MuraRengan]

Ok I just played 7 matches and I think I saw about 5 SO kills during the entire thing. Everyone has switched to the Gnasher and, just like I thought they would, they start camping back and Lancering when you destroy them. I had 3 matches that just turned into Lancer fests due to the other team not being able to beat us in Gnasher duals.

This isn't balance. You don't even have to be weary of SO users anymore, you can kill them before they reach you or gib them when they reach you.

So now that people have to have skill in CQC, you can't benefit from idiots running out with a SO? And this is causing more people to camp? (Not trolling, I'm trying to figure out what the problem is.)

Either way, it's TDM. People camp in TDM because this is a campy game now. That's why I'd never play it. I'd rather the f!cked up spawns in KotH and random SO users interrupting fights than to have to sit around waiting for someone to come out of cover.

SO users will soon have to learn to use their maneuverability better to get close without getting killed. Wallbouncing SO is the next step for them.

Speaking of KotH, this change has made it a lot more manageable. It's not instant death anymore in 2v1 situations where someone has a SO. Skill matters again.

 

[Master Xanthan]

I find the game much more enjoyable now.

 

[ThreeX]

So apparently they also did some weapon swaps.

I just played on sandbar and the boom/dig is now flame thrower, down low in the boat area (hammer of dawn/one shot) is now boom/hammer of dawn)

A friend told me on overpass he saw torque/boom instead of hammer/mortar

 

[The Real Gamer]

Like I said earlier the only things making the game campy are the dominance of SO users combined with the insane power of the Lancers now.

Judging by the recent comments the first problem is pretty much solved which leaves the second issue the only remaining problem.

EDIT: nice ninja three -.-

 

[Wretched]

Played.
I saw a lot less lancers and I enjoyed the game much more even after getting ***** by 3 parties of 5 all in a row.
I am definitely negative because of those three matches >.>

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So it glitched and I reset back to level 1. I then proceeded to play King of the Hill on checkout and lead my team with 38 kills and around 5 deaths. I can only imagine what they were thinking.

Other than that lancer is OP.

 

[F8AL]

Looks like I was too late to abuse the SO. ;-;

Oh well.

 

[Pluvia]

I'm sure this update was nicknamed the Call of Duty update by Epic because the AR's are just insane.

People rush you with a Gnasher, you kill them repeatedly, after about 4 deaths it's lancerlancerlancerlancerlancerlancerlancer.