Ganondorf Board's Question & Answer Thread.

[Ray_Kalm]

Speaking of D-thrown-> iDA, somebody *preferably not me...lol* should see what percentages and DI's characters can be at that can be hit by said iDA. Although I'm sure really most of it is not 100%, it seems fairly close to your average Dair-> Up smash.

not complete 100%, but usuable in most cases.

7% + 15% = 22%.

DThrow, unless it's very stale, launches to far at 30% +.

 

[Gleam]

7% + 15% = 22%.

DThrow, unless it's very stale, launches to far at 30% +.

What about taking DI into account? Since characters after being D-throw can DI away. How does that, if at all, effect the iDA?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

What about taking DI into account? Since characters after being D-throw can DI away. How does that, if at all, effect the iDA?

Well, first off, only characters with very fast fall speed (Fox/Cf/Sheik) could possibly be hit by the iDA. And, without proper testing I'm not sure weather DI affects anything at all.

 

[Z1GMA]

Wouldn't it be easier to flipman by tapping back to drop from the ledge before doing the rest of the inputs

I'm not able to perform the Flipman at all, by pressing [back] when I ledgedrop.

especially since it prevents any possibility of accidental fastfalling.

That should never happen if your controller is OK.

Plus, even if you do fast fall it, you'll do just fine if the rest of the commands are inputed ASAP
But, yeah, FF'ing make it a bit harder.

 

[Squirrely]

I'm pretty sure that you don't hit back when attempting the lagless u-air to stage recovery.
You hit down slightly but not so much as to fast-fall.
Then you do the jump to u-air to DI toward the stage in rapid succession.

Works for me.
But since I only play online, I never use it.

 

[VodkaHaze]

What are people called who trash talk Ganondorf, and get away with it?

They are called Astronauts, guys.

 

[*JuriHan*]

So is Rainbow Cruise like the worst stage for Dorf?

Also I heard Pirate Ship is bad... but why? Ganondorf doesn't really have to worry about recovery there what am I missing?

 

[Ant1]

So is Rainbow Cruise like the worst stage for Dorf?

Also I heard Pirate Ship is bad... but why? Ganondorf doesn't really have to worry about recovery there what am I missing?

Rainbow Cruise is EASILY ganon's worst stage. He is so slow, someone can gain a percentage lead and run from him the entire match if they wanted.
When i played it i used my up-b only to find the platform disappear and i fell to my death.
I thought pirate ship was good, water makes it easy for ganon to spike people.

 

[*JuriHan*]

Rainbow Cruise is EASILY ganon's worst stage. He is so slow, someone can gain a percentage lead and run from him the entire match if they wanted.
When i played it i used my up-b only to find the platform disappear and i fell to my death.
I thought pirate ship was good, water makes it easy for ganon to spike people.

ew I never thought about if someone would run from me on that stage. Yuk that would suck.

Yea I think the person who said ps was bad didn't know what they were talking about.

 

[TP]

Pirate Ship is arguable Ganon's best stage. WTF was that guy smoking? Just don't take Ike, MK, or Jiggs there. They'll destroy you and laugh while doing it.

 

[*JuriHan*]

Pirate Ship is arguable Ganon's best stage. WTF was that guy smoking? Just don't take Ike, MK, or Jiggs there. They'll destroy you and laugh while doing it.

oh... then that was it- it was against Jigglypuff.

 

[VodkaHaze]

Right. So, if I'm battling my bro or cousins (if that happens ) I'll choose Pirate Ship. I'll check the list of tournament legal stages later, to see if I can use it if I attend one in Glasgow.

 

[@HomE]

TP why would you not take Ike to pirateship? because his jab can get you off stage and then we get spiked? I dunno seems pretty even to me

 

[fromundaman]

@HomE, this is the reason why:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1551221


Skip to about 30 minutes in. This has been named 'the Boat Challenge' now in the Midwest. The only goal is to beat Infern's Ike on the ship (though I don't know if making it a ditto is legal or not.). No one has succeeded yet to my knowledge.

 

[Noobicidal]

Fonz got pretty **** close at the 48:00 mark.

 

[Tenki]

Did you know that Ganon U-tilt can suck Kirby's power out?

I was playing a lulzy wifi match with a friend and he was about to Ganon Pawnch my random U-tilt when, in mid charge, he lost his power and kind of just stood there like "WAIT WHA-" and took it like a boss.

@HomE, this is the reason why:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1551221


Skip to about 30 minutes in. This has been named 'the Boat Challenge' now in the Midwest. The only goal is to beat Infern's Ike on the ship (though I don't know if making it a ditto is legal or not.). No one has succeeded yet to my knowledge.

LOL @ Infrn's theme song.

 

[qerkdtx]

Too bad thats one of the gayer Lonely Island or should I say Incredibad songs.

 

[TP]

Too bad thats one of the gayer Lonely Island or should I say Incredibad songs.

That's easily their best song.

 

[weinner]

Did you know that Ganon U-tilt can suck Kirby's power out?

So Ganon can now screw with momentum with his crotch during his U-tilt, cancel a fully charged Giant Punch with his crotch during his U-Smash, and his crotch can go to the source of Kirby's obtained power and remove it form Kirby's body with his U-tilt. Anyone who still believes Ganondorf is not the manliest charachter in the game needs to be reminded what logic is.



Also, lol LAir.

 

[Veggi]

I'm trying to help my friend get better with Ganondorf and his brother mains Kirby (he's actually pretty good). Anyway, what is chain choking and how is it performed?

 

[PhantomX]

Chain choking is just stringing multiple side-bs together in a row and it's performed by reading your opponents when they try to get up from the first choke that landed.

I honestly find it more worthwhile to go with the big damage followups that are guaranteed.

 

[Veggi]

Oh, I thought it was guaranteed or something because I was lurking and it said it was possible to chain choke Kirby to 50%.

 

[stRIP]

Chain choking is just stringing multiple side-bs together in a row and it's performed by reading your opponents when they try to get up from the first choke that landed.

I honestly find it more worthwhile to go with the big damage followups that are guaranteed.

not reading.

You need fast reactions for it, its something like an infinite if your reactions are good enough.

 

[@HomE]

Chain choking is just stringing multiple side-bs together in a row and it's performed by reading your opponents when they try to get up from the first choke that landed.

I honestly find it more worthwhile to go with the big damage followups that are guaranteed.

Phan, the psychological aspect is what i find is most damaging, if you chain 3-4 Side b's together and THEN hit them with a follow up, that not only destroys their confidence, and moral but it does a good chunk of dmg. And at that point the person will reeaaally not want to get SideB'd so it may effect how they play over all. after playing Breezy the past week i've stepped up my chainchoking game quite a bit, and the results are disgusting..

 

[TP]

Kirby is the second easiest character to chain choke. All you need to do is step away after the choke. You can still choke him if he rolls away from you because his roll is so slow that you have time to react. The only character who it is easier against is Pikachu.

 

[PhantomX]

Kirby is the second easiest character to chain choke. All you need to do is step away after the choke. You can still choke him if he rolls away from you because his roll is so slow that you have time to react. The only character who it is easier against is Pikachu.

Against most characters in order to chain choke you have to read. People with terrible rolls or short range getup attacks are the exception of course. I was speaking in a blanket statement.

 

[SmashBrosForce]

Ganondorf has something (Attack or Tech) to Break the Shield ?

In the Ganon Board have something like that ?

 

[@HomE]

Against most characters in order to chain choke you have to read. People with terrible rolls or short range getup attacks are the exception of course. I was speaking in a blanket statement.

After flame choke walk away from them slowly(just out of GUA range), if they stand up or use GUA -> flame choke them again, if they roll backwards (towards you) -> stomp them.

If they stood up or used GUA and you choked them again, dont expect them to do that again, you can condition people by punishing certain options and then assuming they will go the only way you have not face F***ed them. if they roll away just Down-B them, i prefer trying to choke several times (unless im not successful at all)

Its all about mindgames and limiting their options



EDIT: @SBF... first of all that post didnt really make any sense, but i think you were asking if we have any moves that break shields, the only Ganon move that does extra shield DMG (correct me if im wrong) is the U-tilt... so basicly no we have nothing to break shields

 

[SmashBrosForce]

@HomE, I will stop making Thread, cause I think most of the techs were discovered.

Man, Try by yourself:

Approach: Dair -> Fsmash / Salmon Smash (If Connects... Can harshly reduce the shield power)

I would call Ganon Approach Shield Breaker... By I decided not post this thread...

But I need to Share my tricks to Help our community.

EDIT: PhantomX, Sorry about my Wrong Thread.

 

[@HomE]

well I don't really understand why you are so interested in breaking shields... a smart player should NEVER have their shield broken... and Ganon in possibly the worst in the game at actually breaking them..I would say focus your efforts somewhere else..


ps. not a single person would sit and shield a Dair and then hold shield until a Fsmash hits them...

 

[SmashBrosForce]

I'm not interested in Breaking Shields, my Focus is Spike.

Its a little information...

But, you're right @HomE.

 

[:034:]

Force, this isn't meant to be offensive - but try to get your english in line. It's hard to understand you sometimes.

Speaking of breaking shields, I did manage to break one today with utilt. Opponent forgot it took away that much of your shield, and he had his shield up in advance...

 

[TP]

Force, this isn't meant to be offensive - but try to get your english in line. It's hard to understand you sometimes.

Speaking of breaking shields, I did manage to break one today with utilt. Opponent forgot it took away that much of your shield, and he had his shield up in advance...

Did you do my combo? Utilt shield break>Up taunt>Reverse Warlock Punch.

 

[PhantomX]

If by "your combo" you mean the most obvious stuff to do after a shieldbreak?

I prefer dtaunt though.

 

[:034:]

Did you do my combo? Utilt shield break>Up taunt>Reverse Warlock Punch.

No I just stood there, being stoic, shouted "shield break!" across the room then hurried up and did a Warlock Punch.

 

[SmashBrosForce]

Force, this isn't meant to be offensive - but try to get your english in line. It's hard to understand you sometimes.

Speaking of breaking shields, I did manage to break one today with utilt. Opponent forgot it took away that much of your shield, and he had his shield up in advance...

Yeah FD, You're pretty Right. I know that you isn't meant to be offensive.

I agree with you. I'll improve my english.

I breaked some shields a few Months ago. FD do you have any Combo to break the Shield?

 

[:034:]

There aren't really good combo's to break shields with. In Brawl, there's a lot less shieldstun - an opponent can more easily drop their shield and do something, or shieldgrab or roll away. It's better to attempt to take it off in one or two big hits then a string of hits.

If utilt hits their shield, it's the perfect time to hunt for a kill. The opponent will feel mental pressure - they want to shield it but they'll risk breaking it. If they don't shield, they'll risk getting hit. The pressure on your opponent gives you an ideal chance to get a couple of attacks or even a kill on them.

 

[SmashBrosForce]

Thanks to explain FD.

"The Opponent will feel mental Pressure"
Sounds Good...

FD, Utilt can be useful to Break Shields? (If used with Strategy, of course).

 

[Z1GMA]

I'm not sure if I like or dislike the fact that Dair Shield Stabs when the opponent's shield is damaged.
Maybe it'd be better if it hit the shield.

 

[qerkdtx]

When facing a good opponent its better to gerudo a shield and techchase/fsmash followup/whatever follow you use instead of try to get a shield break. Utilt may break shields but the chances of that connecting are rare and people don't stand with their shields lowering. The punish the fact that utilt is so long.