#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
But why not just go with MK? He's top tier, easy to play, and so simple to win with.
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They can't ever shieldgrab you if you do it from behind them.Lain is my experience, the best of the best.
First off, wrong. I've been grabbed out of jab. Many times. Right after the first hit. You aren't to hit with a jab combo unless you hit with the first. Jab Combo = worthless.
If they're doing a lot of Blizzards, keep in mind, it never clanks, and during the time they are using it, you can throw out Chef. Not like it will hit them, but it will get them to do something else. And it's safe if you get out a full volley.And on top of that, desynced blizzard > bair.
Bair = next to useless.
Also...Falco does have major trouble killing you if you're on the defensive. He can't combo into his Up-smash at KO percents (even laser -> Up-smash is easily shielded). His F-smash is slow. His D-smash has terrible range (and is weak). His B-air doesn't work when you're properly spacing.
Jab... from behind? Thats not practical, at all. How in the hell could you manage to set that up? Roll? G&W's roll blows.They can't ever shieldgrab you if you do it from behind them. If they're doing a lot of Blizzards, keep in mind, it never clanks, and during the time they are using it, you can throw out Chef. Not like it will hit them, but it will get them to do something else. And it's safe if you get out a full volley.
King DDD - 60/40
Falco - 60/40
Ice Climbers - 60/40
I'd love to rediscuss these match ups.
Lain has DeDeDe'd the best of the G&W's. How can this matchup still be at 60/40?
This Falco thing is probly the dumbest match up this list. How can Falco be at a disadvantage? He can CG half a stock away from G&W, and is one of the quickest characters in the game, which is a HUGE advantage in G&W's favor, being that he's so slow. Its really not like Falco has a huge problem killing.
IC's? Really? IC's grab G&W, he's dead. He's incredibly easy to CG, and even you do get a chance to break away, next time you're grabbed, over 30+ damage, you aren't getting out. You can't camp against IC's, eventually a desynced blizzard is going to get you. Theres really not much G&W can do here except hope to CP a good stage.
I'd also like to say wolf/G&W is 50/50, but none of you would believe that.
The grab = a stock isn't exactly what i'm talking about.The point is that G&W is one of the better characters at not getting grabbed. One grab = a stock for every character, not exclusive to G&W. The other two matchups seem closer to being right, but I think G&W actually does better than 6:4 by a teensy bit versus IC's.
Lain, I think you have the advantage when YOU (as DDD or IC) play against anybody else G&W. You know the matchup well.If you think G&W vs DDD and IC are even to in G&W's advantage, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
I see matchups as closer to the meta game ones. It comes down to when the best ddd (lain) plays the best G&Ws (practically everyone on these boards) and beats them, the match up has to be in ddd's favor. We all don't play the same. I like to think I play quite uniquely from most G&Ws (if being that unique is even possible, being that you can't be too diverse with G&W.) It shows that d3 can get around anything a G&W throws at him.*what was said*.
Or you know...it could be that Lain is better then all the GW players. It's not like GW is represented very well or does well at tournaments. Deciding match-ups based off players rather then looking at the tools the characters have to deal with each other is shallow.I see matchups as closer to the meta game ones. It comes down to when the best ddd (lain) plays the best G&Ws (practically everyone on these boards) and beats them, the match up has to be in ddd's favor. We all don't play the same. I like to think I play quite uniquely from most G&Ws (if being that unique is even possible, being that you can't be too diverse with G&W.) It shows that d3 can get around anything a G&W throws at him.
We should wait til A2Z and Mr. put in their responses, but I'm thinking its about time we redecide these matchups.
If Lain is meta game, then lain is meta game. Period. I find it hard to believe that not a single game and watch on these boards couldn't beat lain's dedede because they were all worse, that much worse, then lain, not due to the fact that its a bad match up.Or you know...it could be that Lain is better then all the GW players. It's not like GW is represented very well or does well at tournaments. Deciding match-ups based off players rather then looking at the tools the characters have to deal with each other is shallow.
I'm pretty certain I could beat Lain's DDD in tournament.If Lain is meta game, then lain is meta game. Period. I find it hard to believe that not a single game and watch on these boards couldn't beat lain's dedede because they were all worse, that much worse, then lain, not due to the fact that its a bad match up.
No single person is "Meta Game"If Lain is meta game, then lain is meta game. Period. I find it hard to believe that not a single game and watch on these boards couldn't beat lain's dedede because they were all worse, that much worse, then lain, not due to the fact that its a bad match up.
High damage? 36%, not quite high damage.Falco Is probably 50/50 Imo because of the Chain That puts G&W to high damage easily, but most of G&W's ariels destroy him so it certainly isnt in falco's favor. After the chain and a couple more lasers and grabs, a well spaced fsmash will probably take a G&W stock.
To me it felt pretty even. I honestly don't think Lain had the advantage over me, or I had to advantage over him (except game 1). You can say what you want about Lain's DDD, but imo I don't think it's anything special when considering the G&W matchup. The fact is he just knows that matchup really well and was able to adjust to my simple playstyle in the only 3 games we ever played. He adjusted his playstyle, and that's what helped him win over my aggressive playstyle of G&W.
So this whole argument set aside, why isn't it 50/50 if everyone feels this is so even?Keep in mind I think GW vs DDD is even and I've been saying that forever, it's just you are using really bad points to argue and it's annoying :/. You should note trends, not single cases when providing evidence supporting your claim. It's a shallow point of view that won't get you anywhere or convince anyone.
Not a half bad idea actually. But it would probably be a better idea to not do it with every character, and just the more controversial ones.*what was said*
any decently disputable matchups. Pretty much any disadvantages, and most neutrals. They rest are kind of "easy advantage, however so easy doesn't really matter" or just basic, really unneeded to be discussed.Er, by controversial do you mean All of his disadvantages towards his 60/40 advantages that some people think could be neutral or disadvantaged?
For a neutral, I'd say Lylat Cruise. For a counterpick, Brinstar severely outclasses ANYTHING. They're helpless, they just flail around. It's so funny.Just saying for stage to use against ice climbers is yoshi island easy to move around and to avoid getting
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