Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[RaynEX]

happy BIRFDAY

ray en or ex

happy bday raynex =D <3

Dayum, thanks for the advice.

Lots of people have birthdays in Dec, lol.

Have a good one.

thanks you hoes. <3 fox boards.

happy birfday raynman

can u shine oos without leaving the ground, i can only do the slightly sh shine oos and its hard to follow up, but u can cancel it quicker.

thanks soapy. I can do it a lil less than half the time I try. KK can it pretty well, but he can't do anything after it. If I get the shine oos I can wavedash out and do stuff. If I **** it up I just double jump onto something and waveland. Thats how I practice it. lmao

 

[GodheadsLamentX]

Serious and important question:

I'm trying to perfect my shffl's and I was thinking about if it would be better to press jump (X for me) and then press A (this is what I do at the moment) or to slide from X to A (I feel a bit unconfortable with this at the moment).

If I press X and A I can do it pretty constantly but if I slide from X to A the nair comes out faster (for me this is only significant for nairs, because I use the C-stick for all other aerials).

Should I try to lern to press A faster or should I try to implant the sliding method in my gameplay? Any advice ?

I only use A for Jabs/tilts. Shuffle aerials I use Z instead of A because it sits right near my index. Less movement/effort on my hands.

Sliding and C-sticking aerials seem to work better with 2nd jumps instead of right off the ground, I feel.

Its purely about preference, though. Give Z a try.

 

[RaynEX]

alright.

nair shine vs. sheik is dumb. if you pressure her shield with it she CCs anyways and dsmashes. Her nair oos is also very homosexual.

-_-

I wish shine ->jc uair could work to pressure shields. Too bad its ****ing slow as hell. T_T

 

[Oskurito]

You could nair shine then wait for her to CC dsmash and CC up smash her. lol jk

Ah yeah, and happy birthday raynex, oh.. it was yesterday =/ w.e

 

[RaynEX]

lol thx anyways.

**** m2k / michigan bailed on the niagra tourny this weekend because of snow johns. NOOOOOOOO

 

[LumpyCPU...]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsNAaDdDp4

this match is helping me believe i could beat a marth LOL
but i have a lot of trouble edge guarding

 

[DtJ Jungle]

sorry rayn

 

[LumpyCPU...]

is bair the only way to keep marth off the stage?
lol
cuz that's where i struggle
(that and approaching)

 

[RaynEX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsNAaDdDp4

this match is helping me believe i could beat a marth LOL
but i have a lot of trouble edge guarding

alex really doesn't have an efficient method of edge-guarding marth. : /

and he has no idea how to properly d.i. marth's combos, or escape them.

edit: escape *some* of them.

 

[soap]

nothing was done textbook, it was just a friendly, a badass one at that. first marth edgeguard was hilarious

 

[LumpyCPU...]

alex really doesn't have an efficient method of edge-guarding marth. : /

and he has no idea how to properly d.i. marth's combos, or escape them.

edit: escape *some* of them.

i believe it.
haha

but i don't know how to keep marth off man... it's... too... hard.

nothing was done textbook, it was just a friendly, a badass one at that. first marth edgeguard was hilarious

haha yeah
but it's ridiculously entertaining.

 

[MuraRengan]

The backwards lightsheild on the ledge trick really limits Marth's recovery. If done right, it keeps marth from measuring the recovery so that he goes straight to the ledge. If they don't go straight to the ledge, they'll definetly be left open after the recovery either for a edgehog or an attack. Of course, it's not that simple, it does take some good reading of your opponent.

Also, anyone care to critique this match?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiVN1Z8gJ7M

I know my edgeguard needs work, but any other comments on where I could improve are wanted.

 

[Falcinho]

Don't always buffer a spotdodge after you tech/get up.

And try to use your dashdance to dodge aerial approaches better.

Whenever he does sth stupid/laggy grab him and combo from there.

Adn work on your edgeguard.

 

[Bailey]

Mr. J-Man how many licks does it take to get to the chocolately center of a tootsie pop?

 

[EWC]

Does anyone here use edgehop bair regrab for edgeguarding?

 

[MuraRengan]

yup, either that or ledgehop bair onto stage

 

[CanISmash]

i got some stupid questions.

does jab have more shield stun then shine?

also anyone got any tips when tech chasing or just following up a combo, and opponent spot dodges? i feel anything other than grab puts me outta position. and (particularly falco) mofos shine after the spot dodge or something and i get combo'ed

 

[KirbyKaze]

Shieldstun iirc has something to do with damage.

In which case, no, the Jab (4% at max power) does not do more stun than the Shine (5% at max power).

*waits patiently for someone with more knowledge to appear*

When tech chasing and you think someone will spot-dodge because you didn't react fast enough to a tech in place, do an U-smash. If they have a fast spot-dodge then you'll probably hit with the back part of the U-smash and knock them over again, and if they don't then you hit an U-smash.

Alternatively, just react faster.

 

[Da Shuffla]

I'm assuming you mean JC charged Usmash, right? Or, do I just wait for the spotdodge and then Usmash normally?

 

[RaynEX]

just do a regular usmash. Tech-chasing with nair is cool sometimes because people forget to CC and d.i. it alot so you get free nair jugges or nair -> usmash combos.

But in a tourny setting tech-chase grab or usmash are your best options. If you are in a situation where you tech-chased your opponent towards a ledge, run at them and shine. It knocks them off and sets them up to be gimped.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

moar fox gimps!

 

[LumpyCPU...]

i have a question.
when i get an up throw on fox/falco at low percents, i usually just usmash or utilt and try to grab again.
would it be more efficient to go the flashy route (imo) and just shine WD jab and try to grab again?

idk if this makes sense. haha

 

[SCOTU]

shieldstun is based off damage dealt, however, specials don't always abide by it. Shine leaves you at frame advantage (w/ respect to jump timing not real advantage) jab leaves you at disadvantage on everything except the jab part 2.

edit: zomg i typed jab w/ a 'p' instead of 'b' and it censored it LOL

 

[RaynEX]

i have a question.
when i get an up throw on fox/falco at low percents, i usually just usmash or utilt and try to grab again.
would it be more efficient to go the flashy route (imo) and just shine WD jab and try to grab again?

idk if this makes sense. haha

usmash/utilt is better. Or just re-grab. In friendlies do what you like, but use the safer options in tourny and stuff. You probably know that though, haha.

edit: zomg i typed jab w/ a 'p' instead of 'b' and it censored it LOL

lol wtf.

let me try.

***

edit: LOL

 

[DtJ Jungle]

HAHAHA it edits that!?!? does it edit **** too?


edit: no it doesnt

 

[FalcoTailSlice]

this stuff is crazy, honestly im better than anyone i know at smashbros melee but i dont know how to do any of this stuff, anyone have like a training video on youtube or something? for fox or falco

 

[MuraRengan]

There's no guide on Fox, but there are guides on the basics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n4s5yB7ZkE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiZLs2doK8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFmGIOcWdsM

For other Fox stuff, just read some threads and watch some vids. Asking questions is never bad either. Just ask them here.

 

[Da Shuffla]

What about CK's guide? I know it's old, but isn't a lot of it still pretty accurate?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

yeah it is...but you are better off just asking your questions here...unless he is really new..then he should consult the 'everything' guide.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

usmash/utilt is better. Or just re-grab. In friendlies do what you like, but use the safer options in tourny and stuff. You probably know that though, haha.

oh cool. i usually go for the safest, but now and then i wanna be flashy and i wondered if it was better/harder for them to get out of. thanks. haha

 

[Da Shuffla]

Chaingrab will annoy people more. Occasionally, I do like to mix it up.

 

[RaynEX]

cg is dumb. I only use it vs. Falco when I'm losing. Vs. fox you can do anything and still win. anything works on FFallers its silly.

**** maybe I should write a guide on match-ups and edge-guarding stuff for Fox...

 

[DtJ Jungle]

the great rayn has spoken. the word of rayn, "thanks be to rayn."

 

[Ryan-K]

the great Ryan has spoken. the word of Ryan, "thanks be to Ryan."

Mozilla told me rayn isn't an actual word so I fixed your typos

^^

 

[DtJ Jungle]

uhh.........k

 

[Ryan-K]

that woosh you heard was the joke going over your head

-_-

 

[DtJ Jungle]

yah i got it just....still.

 

[Da Shuffla]

cg is dumb. I only use it vs. Falco when I'm losing. Vs. fox you can do anything and still win. anything works on FFallers its silly.

**** maybe I should write a guide on match-ups and edge-guarding stuff for Fox...

Lol. My ears are open, Raynex. A fresh match-up guide would be really useful in the Fox forums.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

i don't cg... ever...
maybe i should gain that habit. lol nah

 

[DtJ Jungle]

yah i only cg as marth...