To do Fox's SHDL I have a habit of taking my left thumb off the joy stick and using it to press B while I use the other thumb to jump. I use X to jump but with this method I can SHDL consistently and easily but obviously it has some consequences. Is it worth learning a method to SHDL and keep a thumb on the joy stick? At this point it will take a conscious effort to break the habit if need be.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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out of all those guys the only fox i've seen is PC Chris, SFAT, Jman, Lovage, and Mango. I feel the best one i've seen is Pc Chris and Mango. those guys are absolutely crazy with they're combos.....
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Cactuar and colbol are my 2 favorute foxes. They paint a beautiful story through their movement,speed and awkwardness/mindgames.
Plus they play green.
Plus they play green.
am i the only one who uses the doesn't use any color fox? cuz i see everyone using green or orange
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
lol @ da n0obz who aint give props to The Great Raynex.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
also Swiftbass-ed god.
SMDH
SMDH
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
I give mad props to raynex. Havent seen anyone else do turn around waveshine >utilt
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
you aren't looking very hard then
Bones0
Smash Legend
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Iv only been on smashboards since 06and havent seen every video.
Im bad
Im bad
BTmoney
a l l b e c o m e $
yeah dude, you probably are pretty suckish
What stages should I strike/ban vs Falco and Sheik?
Pengie
Smash Lord
For those matchups I think you should just get rid of whichever stages you feel uncomfortable on; in other words, I don't think there's any stage that presents an immediate disadvantage in the sense that FD would obviously be bad against Marth or Peach so if you personally don't like certain stages because they mess with our play style those are probably the best ones to get rid of.
Personally, I usually get rid of DL64 because **** that stage >.> I also like small stages, especially against those two, so I'll usually end up getting rid of BF and they'll typically strike FD so a lot of matches typically end up on either Yoshi's or FoD. As I said though I think this will typically come down to preference over anything else so try experimenting on the different stages to see where you feel most comfortable.
http://www.twitch.tv/vmundimizuki/b/395713550 59 minutes in I play fox. Any advice? ^_^ playing a lot more fox lately.
Sinji
Smash Master
If your good at power shielding, take falco to FD and start racking up damage with chain grabs, Yoshis is good as well because it gives falco less room to move around.
FD is decent vs shiek because she doesn't have platforms to start a needle>fair>grab combo. Just got to watch out for her tech chases. Pokemon Stadium is good as well because of the low ceiling and no top platform.
Bones0
Smash Legend
Always try to get first strike vs. Falco so you can see if they get rid of FD. I think it's a bad stage for Fox vs. Falco, but so many Fox players are uncomfortable CGing and dealing with lasers without plats that I usually just let them ban it. That just means I get to pick what I think my second-best stage is for game 1. If you strike first, some Falco players will be too afraid of you being good on FD so they will strike it themselves, and then obviously you've just saved yourself from wasting a strike, and you have potentially scared them into banning FD if they win because they won't be sure how much you like it.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
ill take a falco to FD over yoshis 105% of the time. With a 5% margin for error.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I think with really good SDI on FD the Fox can milk some kind of slim advantage in terms of heavy punishment because his chain grab can't be SDIed, but the margin for error with Fox for reaping a strong play off a shine is way lower since tech chasing off a knockdown has a lot of factors that work together and he's far more likely to get ***** if he flubs and gets shined himself or such. His other combo starters have the weakness of being weak (dash attack, nair) or prone to inconsistencies because of DI abuse (edgecanceling an u-smash, SDI dair). As a side note, notice how bair never comes up? If only he could bair forwards :x
That said, I think on FD I'd still probably say a controlling Falco probably has the advantage despite Fox's chain grab (and Falco can easily still hit really good combos by modifying his combo tree very slightly vs SDI on certain things and a lot of it has very lenient reaction windows). The advantage he gets in neutral by the lack of platforms for Fox to maneuver around lasers gives him a lot of ways to force Fox into full jumps or to limit his ground movement significantly (PS helps here, but Fox's low range on grab can lead to dumb stuff happening if Falco buffer sidesteps on the grab or shines immediately after being lasered, etc). Fox's so-so priority in front of him is a real problem here because Falco can influence which direction he faces during low movement, and his priority below is soft to Falco's quality bair, u-tilt, and so forth. On that note, jumping into shine with Falco can be super amazing and Falco's shine in pressure on shield is also generally stronger because he can combo off stray shine hits, whereas Fox can't reliably.
I don't think Fox is really that disadvantaged overall, I just think Falco on FD is special and compromises a lot of Fox's best tools in the matchup (from the platforms he can zone with the threat of bair and pretend to be a mini-Peach with a crazy repositioning game, a good DJ, the shine, and an amazing u-smash). To the Europeans in the audience, I apologize if I sound dumb because I admittedly don't know much about Fox's PS and everyone in Europe seems to be able to PS with at least 85% consistency rate. So if I missed the boat and he can actually just pretend to be Marth and dash PS grab into **** as a gimmick so strong it's in actuality a mediocre strategy that adds convenient cohesion to other parts of an anti-laser repertoire then cool.
As a side note, a funny thing I've noticed about Falco is that I always find I consider Falco's hardest (read: even) matchups as the ones where the bird often dies in one hit and doesn't hit the opponent as hard relatively speaking (Sheik, Marth, Peach). Falco's opponent also needs enough range to outplay him in the neutral effectively once his pistol has stopped working. Fox is less good at death comboing Falco at high level than those three and he takes stupid damage from the moves Falco fishes for (shine, u-tilt, dair on grounded opponent, nair on airborne one).
That said, I think on FD I'd still probably say a controlling Falco probably has the advantage despite Fox's chain grab (and Falco can easily still hit really good combos by modifying his combo tree very slightly vs SDI on certain things and a lot of it has very lenient reaction windows). The advantage he gets in neutral by the lack of platforms for Fox to maneuver around lasers gives him a lot of ways to force Fox into full jumps or to limit his ground movement significantly (PS helps here, but Fox's low range on grab can lead to dumb stuff happening if Falco buffer sidesteps on the grab or shines immediately after being lasered, etc). Fox's so-so priority in front of him is a real problem here because Falco can influence which direction he faces during low movement, and his priority below is soft to Falco's quality bair, u-tilt, and so forth. On that note, jumping into shine with Falco can be super amazing and Falco's shine in pressure on shield is also generally stronger because he can combo off stray shine hits, whereas Fox can't reliably.
I don't think Fox is really that disadvantaged overall, I just think Falco on FD is special and compromises a lot of Fox's best tools in the matchup (from the platforms he can zone with the threat of bair and pretend to be a mini-Peach with a crazy repositioning game, a good DJ, the shine, and an amazing u-smash). To the Europeans in the audience, I apologize if I sound dumb because I admittedly don't know much about Fox's PS and everyone in Europe seems to be able to PS with at least 85% consistency rate. So if I missed the boat and he can actually just pretend to be Marth and dash PS grab into **** as a gimmick so strong it's in actuality a mediocre strategy that adds convenient cohesion to other parts of an anti-laser repertoire then cool.
As a side note, a funny thing I've noticed about Falco is that I always find I consider Falco's hardest (read: even) matchups as the ones where the bird often dies in one hit and doesn't hit the opponent as hard relatively speaking (Sheik, Marth, Peach). Falco's opponent also needs enough range to outplay him in the neutral effectively once his pistol has stopped working. Fox is less good at death comboing Falco at high level than those three and he takes stupid damage from the moves Falco fishes for (shine, u-tilt, dair on grounded opponent, nair on airborne one).
Heero Yuy
#sweg
I'm having a hefty amount of trouble WD'ing with my Fox. Is it just the incorrect timing I'm putting in or should I try lightly tapping the Y button like for a SH?
4 Aces
Smash Ace
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Lightly tapping isn't gonna do anything. You have to hit the airdodge input correctly (by that I mean, L/R + direction).
Make sure you're doing it fast enough. As in, before Fox leaves the ground.
If you see yourself pop off the ground for a second before airdodging back down, then your L/R + direction input is too slow. If you see yourself merely jumping up, then your L/R + direction input is too fast (Idk, the timing for a proper wavedash with Fox is kinda fast as is...so I don't think this is the case for most people).
Pressing X/Y and L/R simultaneously helped a lot for me when I first picked up Fox. Try to practice doing that.
Bones0
Smash Legend
You cannot WD by pressing them simultaneously. You have to hard click the L/R trigger right after you leave the ground (3 frames after to be exact). The key is to focus on when you hard click the trigger. A lot of people think that just light pressing it is when techs/airdodges begin, and that messes up their timing because eventually they start pressing the button quicker and start missing techs/wavedashes. Also be sure you are angling your airdodge so that you get the furthest WD possible. Going down at a 45 is fine for starting out, but you will eventually want to angle it higher (but not so high that you can see your airdodge).
Rocketpowerchill
Smash Ace
why dont people dair more at the ledge?
its mad ****
its mad ****
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
Ledgehop dair and even SH dair are indeed really good for making sure your opponent can't tech your shinespike.
4 Aces
Smash Ace
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I'm not sure I follow...is it because of the angle that the dair will send characters? Also, I figured it was only good as an edge-guard vs. space animals.
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They can't tech the dair and it has the same hitbox size/disjoint as falco's dair.
I am losing hope in this character.
Pengie
Smash Lord
Any reason in particular?
Rocketpowerchill
Smash Ace
i feel like fox is a character that is a virtual reality of what the player really is
so mango is mango when he plays and if hes mad he will start going aggro
the person who wants to win more in fox dittos will win
so mango is mango when he plays and if hes mad he will start going aggro
the person who wants to win more in fox dittos will win
The fact that its so hard to win with him nowadays.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
Opposite here. Mango's play at NCR, coupled with all the **** I learned from playing hbox's puff in friendlies, really proved to me that Fox is an incredible incredible character provided he doesn't make a few simple mistakes (the problem is that making mistakes and playing a matchup incorrectly, even for a moment, can be absolutely devastating).
I also want to start thinking more about how double Fox is supposed to operate in teams. I feel like it's such a godlike but also fragile team and I feel like we're all missing something right now.
_wzrd
Smash Journeyman
yeah dude, fox can do it. he's got so many ****ing tools & moves so amazingly. it takes a lot of energy playing this character, mentally & physically, but god damn I think it pays off.
<3 my dude fox, never been so sure of having a main. I love other chars a lot, but god damn when it's clutch time. FOX BAYBAY.
<3 my dude fox, never been so sure of having a main. I love other chars a lot, but god damn when it's clutch time. FOX BAYBAY.
_wzrd
Smash Journeyman
also wtf, just saw a shinedair with fox from the ledge on a luigi
WTF, how real is that ****
WTF, how real is that ****
Bones0
Smash Legend
You could always copy what other people do when they have given up on their main. Just switch to F- oh, nvm.
MI has enough Falcos already LMAO
Bones0
Smash Legend
No, I meant Fox. Everyone switches to Fox when they think their character is holding them back. Just ask Strong Bad.
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
and bl@ckchris
but yeah, i wouldn't know what to do if i thought fox wasn't good enough. i'd probably just resign and play street fighter or something.
but yeah, i wouldn't know what to do if i thought fox wasn't good enough. i'd probably just resign and play street fighter or something.
Or pick up Falco.
Rocketpowerchill
Smash Ace
anytips on shine nair/bair with fox
what part of the body do i have to shine someone for me to be able to land an arial?
what part of the body do i have to shine someone for me to be able to land an arial?