Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Proskater]

do a vid showing waveshine to jab on falco out of shield, -ish looks tight

Ok lol, Eggm does that in matches all day though.

 

[rokimomi]

lol, i never watch matches

 

[Wenbobular]

Haha, PvP...

 

[KirbyKaze]

Oh wow it's Wenbo

Hi Wenbo

Remember RoboFox on Rainbow Cruise?

Let's play at APEX or something we're both at

Bye

 

[Wenbobular]

I'm going to Big House hopefully
Aren't you going to Big House?
Need Sheik practice

And yes I remember far too well
*Fetal position*

 

[Bones0]

The applicability of wavedash out of doubleshines/multishines is much more expandable and interesting (right now) imo than the actual double shine.

I don't see how the wavedash out part is any different than if you single shined.

Also, waveshine out of shield plz

BORING!

I'm going to Big House hopefully

TAKE ME.

 

[Proskater]

I don't see how the wavedash out part is any different than if you single shined.

Getting your hand back to neutral so you can wavedash out after multishines takes some getting used to. That's it though.

 

[Bones0]

Why do you have to change your hands? Only reason I could see it being an issue is if you switch to claw to multishine and WD with R.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I quickly move my left hand over top of the controller so I can hold down with my left pinky and press Y with my left index finger. It's way better than just moving your thumb back and forth from Y and B.

This sounds like a lot of legwork. I'll try it.

 

[rokimomi]

I don't see how the wavedash out part is any different than if you single shined.

but everyone single shines, thats why we call it mixing it up

I can imagine some pretty scary looking pressure strings with shortened waveshines and platforms

and it sure beats the old method of hurrdurr doubleshine full jump out, lose any pressure I just tried to create hurrdurr (hate that)

 

[Proskater]

Why do you have to change your hands? Only reason I could see it being an issue is if you switch to claw to multishine and WD with R.

I shift my hand up slightly to multishine so my thumb can have more freedom. It might just be me, although I do believe it's definitely more difficult to do the waveshine after a multishine than after one shine. Shifting your focus back from multishine to wavedash takes effort. It's not the same as a regular waveshine. It's hard to explain for me, but if you don't experience the same thing, I guess you don't have to worry about it.

 

[Bones0]

but everyone single shines, thats why we call it mixing it up

I can imagine some pretty scary looking pressure strings with shortened waveshines and platforms

and it sure beats the old method of hurrdurr doubleshine full jump out, lose any pressure I just tried to create hurrdurr (hate that)

Oh, well I was talking about application. The applicability of WD out of double shine isn't expanded hardly at all from just regularly WDing out of shine. You can't really apply the WD out any differently. The benefit of the mixup is all in the second shine, not the WD.

If you're just saying most people don't utilize WDing or jumping appropriately out of double shine enough, I'd agree. I haven't had trouble with it for a while now myself though (woot).

I shift my hand up slightly to multishine so my thumb can have more freedom. It might just be me, although I do believe it's definitely more difficult to do the waveshine after a multishine than after one shine. Shifting your focus back from multishine to wavedash takes effort. It's not the same as a regular waveshine. It's hard to explain for me, but if you don't experience the same thing, I guess you don't have to worry about it.

If it's just your focus limiting you, you'll get it in time. I used to be the same way, but if you just sit down and practice it, it eventually becomes second nature. A helpful way of thinking about doing it is to realize that the timing of the airdodge for a perfect WD and of the shine for a multishine are exactly the same (first airborne frame). Then you just begin to substitute in a trigger press in for the B in your sequence. Once you can do that, you just start adding in the angles to actually move with your WD instead of airdodging straight down.

 

[omgwtfToph]

When I was warming up to fight Eggz last tournament because he was taking too long trying to find his music, I tried to thunders combo a CPU Falco oos and did it 10-20 times in a row :o

I still don't go for it in regular matches unless I'm fighting someone significantly worse than me though :< I should change that.

 

[rokimomi]

If you're just saying most people don't utilize WDing or jumping appropriately out of double shine enough, I'd agree. I haven't had trouble with it for a while now myself though (woot).

This for sure

But yea, since I'm trying to do it on shields, I need to get ds->wd back down (cuz why would I move forward usually unless I hit em), I can absolutely for the life of me never get it though, some weird arse stuns and turns in that one.

 

[PGH Carroll]

roki you still need a partner for the big house 2????
I have a friend very solid sheik "Bula Sweet" 9th in Ohio currently
has my approval

 

[rokimomi]

I'd hate to turn him down, but I don't quite know how much running the second stream will actualy take from my playing time, even my singles time is kinda tight, thanks for offer though, ^_^

 

[kd-]

I teamed with Roki once. It had a very interesting outcome... /onblast

 

[bolt.]

If it's just your focus limiting you, you'll get it in time. I used to be the same way, but if you just sit down and practice it, it eventually becomes second nature. A helpful way of thinking about doing it is to realize that the timing of the airdodge for a perfect WD and of the shine for a multishine are exactly the same (first airborne frame). Then you just begin to substitute in a trigger press in for the B in your sequence. Once you can do that, you just start adding in the angles to actually move with your WD instead of airdodging straight down.

Proskater wasn't saying that he couldn't do it he was saying newer players would have a difficult time with the inputs. It makes sense because at that point you are still trying to develop the dexterity to perform the multishine by itself.

Proskater is a multishine master!

 

[rokimomi]

I teamed with Roki once. It had a very interesting outcome... /onblast

losing with you felt better than winning with you, lol, made my day back then

 

[Bones0]

Proskater wasn't saying that he couldn't do it he was saying newer players would have a difficult time with the inputs. It makes sense because at that point you are still trying to develop the dexterity to perform the multishine by itself.

Proskater is a multishine master!

What? He definitely said he struggled with it because of how he presses the buttons...

 

[S l o X]

What? He definitely said he struggled with it because of how he presses the buttons...

Where ?

 

[kd-]

losing with you felt better than winning with you, lol, made my day back then

^_^;;;;;;; not sure what to say/how to feel about this lol :]

 

[Bones0]

Where ?

In the post that I originally quoted...

I shift my hand up slightly to multishine so my thumb can have more freedom. It might just be me, although I do believe it's definitely more difficult to do the waveshine after a multishine than after one shine. Shifting your focus back from multishine to wavedash takes effort. It's not the same as a regular waveshine. It's hard to explain for me, but if you don't experience the same thing, I guess you don't have to worry about it.

 

[Proskater]

In the post that I originally quoted...

I just said it was more difficult... I have no problem executing it.

 

[Brookman]

my up and side b are indomitable.

 

[voorhese]

Has anyone done a double shine -> bair?

I have not, 2 hard to practice alone, I did get a standing shinebair oos vs ORLY in tourney once though >_<

 

[genkaku]

what do you do when sheik is putting jabs in weird places? I was spacing dtilts when I anticipated it but I feel like there should be a better solution.

 

[unknown522]

The world is yours at that point

 

[omgwtfToph]

 

[PGH Carroll]

^ yo0o0o0o0o0o

"headin to indiana stabbin women like the phantom"

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

hahahahaha

good **** toph

 

[unknown522]

Lol toph!

No scarface though huh?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Just coming in to say that down-tilt is an amazing move that brings the most ridiculous kills.

 

[Van.]

I've been in a really frustrating phase vs. falcon where I'm really struggling to tech consistently. I often gift-wrap missed tech-->knees because I'm trying to lcancel a dair or early nair that he shieldgrabbed, and I often find myself blowing tech windows in the middle of reactive tech chases with bad habits like shielding or doing dash-->WD. Obviously these things can be replaced with the easy/rapeable options like shine/jump, but these are pretty predictable and punishable.

Can anyone remember being in a phase like this? If so, how did you get out? I mean i know don't get grabbed/have bad habits, but obv you're going to get hit sometimes. Do you more experienced foxes react to getting grabbed by mentally cancelling your lcancel? is this something that can be completely eliminated, or is it just part of the mu and has to be accepted?

 

[Bones0]

You get out by learning to L-cancel with light shield or Z.

 

[Wenbobular]

No ... just stop being so surprised when you misspace something ...

If you're actively thinking about your moves and not just autopiloting you should usually know when you misspace something when you do a move and it whiffs

If you're getting shieldgrabbed then stop messing up tech skill

 

[Bones0]

SHFFL dairs can be shield grabbed even if you have perfect tech skill.

 

[unknown522]

You must be pressing L really late dude

 

[omgwtfToph]

I've been in a really frustrating phase vs. falcon where I'm really struggling to tech consistently. I often gift-wrap missed tech-->knees because I'm trying to lcancel a dair or early nair that he shieldgrabbed, and I often find myself blowing tech windows in the middle of reactive tech chases with bad habits like shielding or doing dash-->WD. Obviously these things can be replaced with the easy/rapeable options like shine/jump, but these are pretty predictable and punishable.

Can anyone remember being in a phase like this? If so, how did you get out? I mean i know don't get grabbed/have bad habits, but obv you're going to get hit sometimes. Do you more experienced foxes react to getting grabbed by mentally cancelling your lcancel? is this something that can be completely eliminated, or is it just part of the mu and has to be accepted?

no I always try to l-cancel aerials

I just don't hard-press the shoulder button so I can still tech

but yeah, on a more big-picture level, it sounds like you aren't good at immediately realizing you ****ed up; this is a skill you need to develop and you can do so by focusing harder

 

[Van.]

thanks for the advice guys. Focus is definently something i should work on.