FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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no. what the ****. just go try it a bunch of times against a comp like a normal person
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
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Lovage
Smash Hero
my thoughts are:
why da *** would u waste your pressure and just wavedash back. i mean yea if you're trying to bait out a samus up+b, peach nair, falcon stomp ETC. but for regular pressure i'd say that's a free "please jump on the side platform now" card.
unknown522
Some guy
DerfMidWest
Fresh ******
awwww... i will do that, but it'd be really helpful to see the speed that the hands move at.
That was how I learned regular doubleshines...
FrootLoop
Smash Lord
the only part you have to be frame perfect on is Y to B, which would be the same speed whether or not you're hitting something. Right?
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KishPrime is not entering Singles at FC, so boring accusations that the stagelist is meant to favor the host like Plank did at Pound 3 don't really work.the host is a jiggs main
That is all
Omnomnom Fox discussion
Fortress | Sveet
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But that doesn't mean his perceptions of the stages aren't influenced by the character he played
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the same can be said for the fox players that are complaining about the stages......
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
One could argue that Jigglypuff mains have really skewed ideas of balance and how the game works in a general sense because their character's fundamentals and how-to-play tactics are incredibly different relative to the more Melee-esque ones.
Actually, I do make that argument. LOL.
But I don't think character main matters so much about FC ruleset. I just figured the Midwest has a more liberal policy on stages and thought everyone knew this. FC has had a bunch of weird stage lists and rules (Battlefield wasn't on random for FC Diamond). And to my understanding they've always been great tournaments too and a wonderful experience for the participants.
Also, three bans is a lot.
Actually, I do make that argument. LOL.
But I don't think character main matters so much about FC ruleset. I just figured the Midwest has a more liberal policy on stages and thought everyone knew this. FC has had a bunch of weird stage lists and rules (Battlefield wasn't on random for FC Diamond). And to my understanding they've always been great tournaments too and a wonderful experience for the participants.
Also, three bans is a lot.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
eh... you can bait stuff with it. here's an example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQr3E6QY394#t=1m2s
idk. just like everything else, it's good sometimes
I mean if you're gonna dismiss it cuz they can jump away then you can similarly dismiss fadeback nair in shield pressure.
(not saying slox's thing is as good as fadeback nair, or anything like that, I'm just saying it's not bad sometimes)
unknown522
Some guy
Sinji
Smash Master
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
A sometimes sandwich.
Lovage
Smash Hero
da fk, EVERYONE is complaining about the stages, peach mains, falcon mains, spacie mains. dude ****ing armada posted that the stage list is a joke and ****s up the tier list even harder, the FC stage list is whack as ****.
PGH Carroll
Smash Master
agreed. those stages are weak sauce
mers
Smash Ace
Yo. That zhu vs lunin match made me crazy nostalgic.
Smash is too ****ing postmodern now.
(not even talking about the stage list, which will probably help)
Smash is too ****ing postmodern now.
(not even talking about the stage list, which will probably help)
Silent Wolf
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LOL
dam dood. i think it would be gay if this was the new standard rule set. but its just 1 tourney so imo (as a fox main) its kinda dope.
edit: heres another fun mm me and toph did last weekend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrKm9VoIeYw
we did 3 3/5 mms on mk2 only but i didnt wanna give away any of our mk2 knowledge lol.
Sangoku
Smash Master
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
LOL i gotchu with the filtee combo into the pink car at the end of game 1
unknown522
Some guy
Defeating a sandwich, only makes it tastier
Sinji
Smash Master
Did the videos for the tournament that Mango and Lovage was in last weekend get uploaded yet?
Beat!
Smash Master
I don't think so. I haven't seen them on Youtube yet. Stab said he didn't know when he'd upload them.
Warhawk
Smash Lord
Probably not but http://www.twitch.tv/kocast/b/317985396 is the stream link if you want it. If you tell me what match too I can probably tell you the general timestamp.
unknown522
Some guy
Omg mango. Loved every set that he was in (except vs shroomed). Also Westballz breaking his shield was kinda dirty.
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
Hey, I want to know if there's any application for Usmash out of shine. On shield it's pretty ***. It does good damage if they jump out, but your whole shield pressure ends with it. Anything else you can do with it?
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Tech-chase into it?
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
Does it work? Can you hit someone with the shine and still connect the U-smash?
unknown522
Some guy
Waveshine combos near the edge. If the opponent DIs towards you
Oh yeah, I won 2 tourneys this week
Oh yeah, I won 2 tourneys this week
Wake
Smash Master
Who did you play in GFs?
Bing
Smash Master
Ryan ford with the swaggggg.Waveshine combos near the edge. If the opponent DIs towards you
Oh yeah, I won 2 tourneys this week
Btw he faced Kk in one and I.b in another
Silent Wolf
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good **** ryan. i lost a tourney in bc to bladewise yesterday =( he ***** me lol. for some reason i kept side stepping in response to thinking he was going to dsmash and id just get hit every time lol
unknown522
Some guy
Thanks. I dropped a total of 2 games on Saturday (1 in pools and 1 in bracket).
I heard that your controller broke recently though. Maybe that was the cause?
I heard that your controller broke recently though. Maybe that was the cause?
Silent Wolf
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nah i pretty much broke another stick in. i kept the same shell.
unknown522
Some guy
Oh nice. Just messing up a lot vs him?
MTH3 right?
Edit: oh yeah, I was so tired/hungry/stressed from running the tourney. I made 1 mistake (due to a friend showing up late) and it made 1 pool run 2 hours late. So I was stressed + already had a headache and was overall mad at myself most of the day because I didn't double check the pool. Basically, there were 3 pools of 8 and 1 pool of 9 people, but the two that showed up late were added and one of them was added to the pool of 9 (so 10 people in a pool, while 2 pools still had 8). I kinda just auto-piloted and didn't take notice until later.
Fortunately, the amateur bracket ran absolutely perfectly + doubles and singles bracket ran fairly well time-wise, so we managed to finish the whole tourney by 10:30PM (I was aiming to finish by 9:00PM, but that mistake + the turnout was a lot bigger than expected [which is great anyway]).
Edit 2: Otto, KK dropped me for teams so maybe you can team with him now. I know that you wanted to before.
MTH3 right?
Edit: oh yeah, I was so tired/hungry/stressed from running the tourney. I made 1 mistake (due to a friend showing up late) and it made 1 pool run 2 hours late. So I was stressed + already had a headache and was overall mad at myself most of the day because I didn't double check the pool. Basically, there were 3 pools of 8 and 1 pool of 9 people, but the two that showed up late were added and one of them was added to the pool of 9 (so 10 people in a pool, while 2 pools still had 8). I kinda just auto-piloted and didn't take notice until later.
Fortunately, the amateur bracket ran absolutely perfectly + doubles and singles bracket ran fairly well time-wise, so we managed to finish the whole tourney by 10:30PM (I was aiming to finish by 9:00PM, but that mistake + the turnout was a lot bigger than expected [which is great anyway]).
Edit 2: Otto, KK dropped me for teams so maybe you can team with him now. I know that you wanted to before.
Silent Wolf
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i felt my tech skill was a bit off in winners but other than that it was fine. whyd kk drop you? id like to but im teaming with pc chris now
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
DEFINITELY. It's not really unreliable at all. If you land the shine, you're almost guaranteed to get the u-smash. It's really good for comboing/ending combos because it's easier to land the shine than the u-smash (shine is a lot faster so the startup isn't an issue).
Examples:
Shine->u-smash off the ground:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lH0-haLdxI#t=22s
Shine -> u-smash against an airborne enemy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Tmi8urjsg#t=25s
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
I suck and got 3rd at the same tournament otto was at. Otto and Bladewise ***** me lol. Was kind of out of it for my set with Bladewise and pretty much gave him the win. D:
I feel like I need to re-evaluate my neutral game. I wasn't warmed up in my set with bladewise at all and my techskill was incredibly off, I couldn't hit waveshines at all (I'd get stuck in my shield or jump instead of wavedash iirc) so I was just playing completely differently from how I normally do (i.e. I was playing kinda gay lol) and I was still making the matches close. I think I need to start doing less stupid aggro stuff and playing more like m2k more often. At least against characters like Peach lol.
On the bright side, Hitsugaya is a homie and gave me some poutine, so I got to eat poutine for the first time in I think over 3 years.
Good **** UNKNOWNNN can't wait to see da vidz.
I feel like I need to re-evaluate my neutral game. I wasn't warmed up in my set with bladewise at all and my techskill was incredibly off, I couldn't hit waveshines at all (I'd get stuck in my shield or jump instead of wavedash iirc) so I was just playing completely differently from how I normally do (i.e. I was playing kinda gay lol) and I was still making the matches close. I think I need to start doing less stupid aggro stuff and playing more like m2k more often. At least against characters like Peach lol.
On the bright side, Hitsugaya is a homie and gave me some poutine, so I got to eat poutine for the first time in I think over 3 years.
Good **** UNKNOWNNN can't wait to see da vidz.
Bing
Smash Master
Yeah Ryan you were really off in pools, I almost took a game because you kept ****ing up hardcore lol