Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Strong Badam]

uhh yes it does haha

utilt hits frame 5

it hits frame 5. that's not fast enough. i know for a fact it doesn't combo on Falcon for sure; not sure on Fox/Falco/peach/etc.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

And marth half the time. You know, most of the match-ups that are actually played. Again, why the hostility?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Up smash isn't a good combo starter vs Marth

edit: He's too floaty

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Waveshine usmash is better than waveshine grab uair.



And strong bad, unknown does drill->utilt in the video he linked, it does work. Utilt is 2 frames faster than grab which true combos on most characters

 

[unknown522]

drill -> u-tilt works on most of the cast.

except bowser

 

[Brookman]

I'm officially coming out of the closet.









'Pivot shine > turn > forward wavedash' is my new ****.

 

[Lovage]

upload a vid of u doing a 6 pivot shines in a row and i'll believe thats actually ur ****

 

[KirbyKaze]

Waveshine usmash is better than waveshine grab uair.

You crazy bro.

 

[Brookman]

upload a vid of u doing a 6 pivot shines in a row and i'll believe thats actually ur ****

****ING EASY.

I'll even give you one of me doing it while beating off.

 

[Strong Badam]

how was i hostile, sveet? i said you were wrong and then stated that i knew for a fact that it specifically didn't work against a character.

additionally drill -> grab is not a true combo, grab just goes through shield which is what people try to do against a messed up drillshine.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

drill grab does true combo quite often, it going through shield simply gives more leeway. drill->usmash combos occasionally.

also the hostility thing was directed at KK

 

[Jethrotex]

****ING EASY.

I'll even give you one of me doing it while beating off.

Make sure the picture in picture isn't covering the portion where you actually do the moves. I scoff at poor editing in these situations.

 

[unknown522]

how was i hostile, sveet? i said you were wrong and then stated that i knew for a fact that it specifically didn't work against a character.

additionally drill -> grab is not a true combo, grab just goes through shield which is what people try to do against a messed up drillshine.

drill grab does true combo quite often, it going through shield simply gives more leeway. drill->usmash combos occasionally.

also the hostility thing was directed at KK

it works. Try it out

 

[JPOBS]

additionally drill -> grab is not a true combo, grab just goes through shield which is what people try to do against a messed up drillshine.

this is what i;ve aways thought too. but i also thoguht drill-uptilt combod

idk what to believe anmore

 

[ShroudedOne]

It probably doesn't "true combo," but there isn't enough time that you have out of hitstun between the drill and the grab/utilt. At least, that is my best guess.

 

[unknown522]

alright, fine whatever.

it doesn't combo guys

 

[JPOBS]

lol whether it combos or not idgaf i still do it all the time.

drill grab/uptilt on platforms to save the world!

 

[ShroudedOne]

I didn't say don't do it, I'm just trying to interpret Strong Bad's words.

Drill > grab on people lighter than Marth is still freaking OP.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

When I have a working windows computer I will make gifs again. Until then, we can simply agree to disagree.

 

[Lovage]

fox boards

 

[iamthemicrowave]

10/10 would get trolled again

 

[Sinji]

If they SDI towards you (which is awkward) then drill>utilt would work or if you drill past them.

Drill>grab is good when approaching to a platform from above.

 

[chillindude829]

what if you did drill turnaround utilt

turning around doesnt take a frame does it

also everyone should use utilt way more in general as a combo starter/approach stopper... cactuar and anyone who's played me recently in md/va understands

 

[Bones0]

Why doesn't someone just test in Training Mode? -.- I didn't mean to cause so much drama, but I figured it'd be a quick and easy answer. If I had a cube I would have tested it myself. lol

@Chillin
It takes one frame.

 

[chillindude829]

if only you could jump cancel utilt, shine utilt would be my favorite thing

 

[Bones0]

I wish I could JC shine without actually jumping. That way I could shine spike into bair instead of having to space the shine really low to pop them up into my bair.

 

[Sinji]

It works. Just put the cpu on evade on training mode and test it.

 

[Bones0]

The CPU doesn't have to be on Evade...

 

[chillindude829]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipa5KlX21II

didnt know this was out already

gimme critiques guys pp's such a rapist

 

[Silent Wolf]

good set chillin. i watched it last night and i remember seeing you doing some shines after dash attacks near the ledge (high %) when dsmash would have been better for sure.

 

[chillindude829]

oh yea, i never use dsmash for some reason, need to remember that move. thx

 

[unknown522]

what if you did drill turnaround utilt

turning around doesnt take a frame does it

also everyone should use utilt way more in general as a combo starter/approach stopper... cactuar and anyone who's played me recently in md/va understands

turning around does take frames, but it still combos even if you turn around.

Why doesn't someone just test in Training Mode? -.- I didn't mean to cause so much drama, but I figured it'd be a quick and easy answer. If I had a cube I would have tested it myself. lol

@Chillin
It takes one frame.

I have. This discussion has come up many times (usually by the same people), and I have always given the same answer. I also made this vid last year when I had nothing to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NKL4k_1EcA


edit: I have tested that stuff pretty thoroughly, even with CC and stuff in training mode. Drill combos into all of fox's grounded moves (except f-smash) on almost every character. It even combos into some of his aerials on the lighter characters. I would make a vid to show you guys, but I sold my dazzle a while ago.

 

[Bones0]

Hmmmm... I wonder how useful comboing drill into drill would be? :O

 

[Beat!]

Would it, technically speaking, be possible to combo drill--> drill ad infinitum (or at least until a finisher would kill) against Jiggs (or other characters it may work against), or would SDI/stale moves put an end to that?

 

[Strong Badam]

last i checked it works against pichu only

 

[unknown522]

jiggs, G&W, spacies

 

[Beat!]

... so it would work "forever"?

Also, watching that vid motivated me to start working on my ledgedashes, instead of the half-sloppy ones I've been doing for a while, and I'm already noticing a huge difference haha.

 

[Bing]

On Jiggs can you uthrow dair and regrab at low percents? I tried this in training mode and on multiple CPU levels and it works, on them,I just dont trust that...

 

[Warhawk]

jiggs, G&W, spacies

Wait you can drill->drill spacies? I didn't realize it worked on them...

 

[Bones0]

@Bing
Does it combo? Because I don't see how that's possible...