Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[rokimomi]

@ roki: yeah you're gonna have to man up and do it. I guess you can try practicing it on a 'carefree ledge' like Hyrule temple or something

...WYY didn't i think of that!!

 

[omgwtfToph]

real men practice waveledging in Adventure mode stages

 

[Wenbobular]

I used to practice on FD in practice mode spawning on the left side and just pressing reset every time I messed up
I'm at the point now that it's consistent enough in practice that I can just do it while beating up a computer

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I just started doing it... I don't remember practicing it ever, though

 

[knightpraetor]

marth's dair is in every way better than counter..hits way below the ledge too..forces them to tech, and anything but tech insta phantasm is not even that good.

what i wish though is that I would hurry up and learn to drop side b/fair them when they are under the stage instead of trying for the dair, as theoretically this should be the best option..but no marth does it

 

[robyextreme]

hi roby extreme

hi omgwtfToph

 

[unknown522]

I used to always do shine -> ledge WD since 2006.

now I do the shine if I'm messing up without it. Or if I can hit someone because they're too close to the edge

Also, it's all about marth d-air -> edgecancel -> ledgegrab. Cover all options, in case they tech

 

[PGH Carroll]

I used to always do shine -> ledge WD since 2006.

now I do the shine if I'm messing up without it. Or if I can hit someone because they're too close to the edge

you were the first person i saw do that and i was like yoooooooooooooooooo fox is cute

its pretty dope. it the most consistent way for me

 

[omgwtfToph]

ya Lucky also does it a lot

I started doing it on days where I'm not feeling comfortable doing normal waveledges

 

[unknown522]

you were the first person i saw do that and i was like yoooooooooooooooooo fox is cute

its pretty dope. it the most consistent way for me

:D I stole the shine -> ledge WD hit from Zelgadis when I watched his combo vid back when it was new (shine blind). You had to download it from th hub back then. It wasn't on YouTube at the time.

Also regarding the other post. I started trying to do double shine oos on the computer....and I kept shine-grabbing oos by accident. It was kinda consistent at first, until I started doing the double shine properly. It just kinda made me laugh

Edit: mike nasty's combo vid is still pretty sick even today. I watched it again last week (pure nastyness).

 

[Bing]

I had no idea what a ledgedash was until this morning...

I gotta learn how to do that...

 

[Cactuar]

My favorite by far was The King's segment in Evolution.

 

[PGH Carroll]

sooooooo yeah. this happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52xvyB6smIA&t=28s

 

[Wenbobular]

At first I thought it was just another shine Bair haha

 

[Cactuar]

If I was Taki, I wouldn't want that in my section of a combo vid.

Just sayin.

 

[voorhese]

So recently ive been wanting to address the problem i have that people DI my nairs/dairs and i miss the shine. I think i figured out how i'm gonna deal with it, just dash in the direction i need to to get back into range and jc shine. thoughts?

i'm thinking the problem shouldnt exist in the 1st place, but it does for me =(

 

[KirbyKaze]

If I was Taki, I wouldn't want that in my section of a combo vid.

Just sayin.

If I were Slippy, I'd want that in my section of a combo vid.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Falco is flying that one, obv

 

[Kal]

Hey guys, I asked for some Fox advice earlier and all I got was some comment about my footsteps from Sveet. If anyone else would be willing to give advice, I would be super profoundly grateful.

Me getting ***** in Winner's Bracket

Me vs. some Falco/Jigglypuff main in Loser's Bracket

sank yuuu

 

[Kamikaze Kitsune]

that aint falco

 

[unknown522]

My favorite by far was The King's segment in Evolution.

yeah man. That vid is pretty dirty. We were showing this new chick that vid since she mains jiggs.

 

[Bing]

yeah man. That vid is pretty dirty. We were showing this new chick that vid since she mains jiggs.

lol who? Andrea?

 

[unknown522]

Indeed

 

[KirbyKaze]

Linda Blair.

 

[Bing]

Indeed

I havent seen her at a tournament since like... November :S

 

[Bones0]

Critique me! :D

Some are labeled wrong on Twitch, and I'm currently unable to edit them for w/e reason. If you don't plan on watching all of them, my later matches are much better because I was fully warmed up. I had a bad Marth day. :/ Any criticism at all is welcome, but you can leave out the scolding of my Fox's multishining. I was just doing it for teh lulz.

[collapse= Bones (Falco) vs.]1. Btree (Peach)
2. GimR (Marth)
3. King of Cereal (DK)
4. DJ (Marth)
5. DJ (Marth)
6. King of Cereal (DK)
7. DJ (Marth)
8. King of Cereal (DK)
9. Paul (Sheik)
10. DJ (Marth)
11. Paul (Sheik)
12. DJ (Marth)
13. Paul (Sheik)
14. Paul (Sheik)
15. Paul (Sheik)
16. King of Cereal (DK)
17. Paul (Sheik)[/collapse]
[collapse=Bones (Fox) vs.]1. Btree (Samus)
2. DJ (Marth)
3. DJ (Marth)
4. King of Cereal (DK)
5. DJ (Marth)
6. King of Cereal (DK)
7. DJ (Marth)
8. DJ (Marth)
9. King of Cereal (DK)
10. DJ (Marth)[/collapse]
[collapse=Bones (Marth) vs.]1. Paul (Sheik)
2. King of Cereal (DK)[/collapse]
[collapse=Bones (Ness) vs.]1. DJ (Marth)
2. DJ (Marth)
3. King of Cereal (DK)
4. King of Cereal (DK)[/collapse]

Also Wenbo, I did a LH bair regrab in between stocks just for you. It's at the 2 minute mark of Fox match #8. :D

 

[KirbyKaze]

I havent seen her at a tournament since like... November :S

Would bacon make it better?

 

[Bones0]

Woah, deja vu. >_>

 

[Bones0]

Woah, deja vu... >_>

^LOL that was a legit accidental double post...

 

[JPOBS]

So recently ive been wanting to address the problem i have that people DI my nairs/dairs and i miss the shine. I think i figured out how i'm gonna deal with it, just dash in the direction i need to to get back into range and jc shine. thoughts?

i'm thinking the problem shouldnt exist in the 1st place, but it does for me =(

turnaround uptilt

or nair again if its really far. or run grab like lucky does.

 

[Lovage]

So recently ive been wanting to address the problem i have that people DI my nairs/dairs and i miss the shine. I think i figured out how i'm gonna deal with it, just dash in the direction i need to to get back into range and jc shine. thoughts?

i'm thinking the problem shouldnt exist in the 1st place, but it does for me =(

wtf? why shouldn't this problem exist, it's called people having good DI lol. people are gonna DI your dairs and it's tough to deal with, to help the shine connect you can fastfall later (or not at all) so you have more time to more your character forward to catch up with their di. also, in general, make sure you continue to hold forward for the entirety of your dair so your shine has the greatest chance to hit.

as for them DI'ing your nairs (i assume you're talking about >30%) this is also something you gotta deal with by getting better at by:
a) moving fast to cover all of their tech options after the nair, often with another nair (TECH CHASING)
b) being able to react with a short hop late nair if they don't tech (won't happen much vs. good players)

 

[omgwtfToph]

hey so I have to beat a certain tall bearded virginian sheik player in a money match in about 2 weeks

I'm generally confident at the sheik matchup but, to unknown/lovage in particular, could you guys shed any particular light onto your thought processes when fighting good sheiks? like the MOST important things to look out for/think about when you fight sheik

thanks very much >_>

 

[Bing]

Would bacon make it better?

Bacon makes everything better, sir.

 

[unknown522]

I havent seen her at a tournament since like... November :S

she went to the January monthly

@ toph: of all the high level players I have played, I find him to be the most predictable (tied with a certain Cali peach player).

Avoid grabs. He fishes hard for them. Also when he's recovering close to the stage then he does an aerial pretty much every time.

You can look up my set vs him at apex I guess. That was the worst I played that day, but it still wasn't close

 

[Wizzrobe]

Would bacon make it better?

Bacon is godlike.

 

[Bing]

she went to the January monthly

lol ****, the only one I missed :S

 

[unknown522]

Indeed

 

[voorhese]

wtf? why shouldn't this problem exist, it's called people having good DI lol. people are gonna DI your dairs and it's tough to deal with, to help the shine connect you can fastfall later (or not at all) so you have more time to more your character forward to catch up with their di. also, in general, make sure you continue to hold forward for the entirety of your dair so your shine has the greatest chance to hit.

as for them DI'ing your nairs (i assume you're talking about >30%) this is also something you gotta deal with by getting better at by:
a) moving fast to cover all of their tech options after the nair, often with another nair (TECH CHASING)
b) being able to react with a short hop late nair if they don't tech (won't happen much vs. good players)

I feel like if i try to go far with my dair and they CC it then they get out for free. Do you have enough time to react to that normally? I am just now using dair a lot more. Also as for the % i'm not quite so sure, but they do end up hitting the ground pretty soon after it. I think i mainly need to just stall the aerial so i am ready to move right away after the hit maybe also? I haven't ever purposely tried to not fast fall, LE and ckit tell me to try it in some situations, but i just never remember. Thx for the advice.

turnaround uptilt

or nair again if its really far. or run grab like lucky does.

Still having problems with slight angles on my new controller so i flub turn around uptilt a lot, and I will try the grab thing, that was what i tried before. I didn't delay my aerial however, so maybe that's why i couldn't land a grab after. Thx for the advice also!

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

and even then, a ledgehop dair is strictly better anyway.

but don't tell them that

Many Marths avoid ledgehop dair because if the Fox has multiple angles, the timing differs. So if Fox has 2 ways he can ride the wall, plus the option to go straight up, ledgehop dair can be a risky proposition.

In other words...

Battlefield all dai. easy mode

 

[Strong Badam]

Bones: lol @ that DK.