Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[JPOBS]

good uses with fox are evident in the Mindgames 1 combo vid near the end when they are listing all the american dreams.

I tried to look it up and link it but the video is "blocked in my country" or some crap so instead I just said the lyrics

 

[Brookman]

applicabilitytion

/ 10.

 

[Sinji]

In terms of stage advatage do you think FD for fox vs falco is 40:60 or 50:50?

Cause i was watching this vid and i think its 50:50. Jman uthrows> double shine>bair>shine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z4nWF5r5VI0#t=28s

@Palpi: apology accepted.

 

[Brookman]

what is the difference between sinji and palpi??

 

[Palpi]

Do I want to know?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

i always considered FD a fox stage in that match-up, boarderline even i suppose. NOT in falcos favor tho

 

[Silent Wolf]

Triangle jumping is baddddd.

I assumed it meant shorthopping around someone's shield.

it actually really useful if you know how to use it. you dont ever want to start a short hop or something like that preparing to do one though, you just have to know when to do it when youre in the air.

you can also time it so its like a sloppy waveland so you can dodge and have very little delay.

 

[Sinji]

LOL brookman. i dont know maybe a national difference.

 

[FoxLisk]

Yeah. circle jumping has applications.

and all of y'all hatin' on Kaostar's term are just new****. i heard circle jumping way back in the day.

 

[Lovage]

In terms of stage advatage do you think FD for fox vs falco is 40:60 or 50:50?

Cause i was watching this vid and i think its 50:50. Jman uthrows> double shine>bair>shine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z4nWF5r5VI0#t=28s

@Palpi: apology accepted.

fd makes fox vs. falco a 100:100 matchup


where as it's usually a 60:60 matchup lol

 

[Druggedfox]

Looool lovage; those matchup ratios are definitely some of the best I've seen

 

[omgwtfToph]

Yeah. circle jumping has applications.

and all of y'all hatin' on Kaostar's term are just new****. i heard circle jumping way back in the day.

I'm only hating on it cuz I've mastered Spiral Jumping, Twin Blade Stormrushing and Chrono Wave Striking so Circle Jumping is rather irrelevant to me.

 

[KAOSTAR]

but can you hyper shine slide, fissure dash, or double rapid vesper blast?


didn't think so.

 

[lanabo]

Kind of a newbie question, but what's the best way to DI out of chain uthrows in Fox dittos? I play with a friend and whether I SDI left or right attempting a mixup it just seems way too easy for him to see which way I'm SDI'ing until I end up at a percent too high for him to continue the chain.

 

[Druggedfox]

Couple things:

-You cannot actually SDI throws (I think there are 2, maybe 3 exceptions in the game) as a general rule
-You can chainthrow in fox dittos on reaction to the opponent's DI, its guaranteed (unless there are platforms)
-The best way to mess them up is to try to neutral DI then after you fly straight up, make slight adjustments to your trajectory forcing him to dash dance/pivot grab/uptilt. While doing this you can shake the control stick to escape the tumbling animation at the fastest possible moment and either mash jump or try to shine out of it.
-Alternatively you can DI off stage for the chainthrow to end, but that is only of debatable effectiveness; it depends how confident you are in being able to recover after getting sent off stage, versus taking the guaranteed damage/hoping they mess up.

 

[lanabo]

Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

GL to all the fox mains heading off to tournaments today.

and happy 4:20 to those who care

 

[Lovage]

thanks sveet

tournament tomorrow but i havn't played in a while





i got this

 

[PK Webb]

I'm going to a tourney today m2k,jman,hax,zhu,teczero.......I got this

 

[Brookman]

no johns webb!!

 

[Brookman]

Kind of a newbie question, but what's the best way to DI out of chain uthrows in Fox dittos? I play with a friend and whether I SDI left or right attempting a mixup it just seems way too easy for him to see which way I'm SDI'ing until I end up at a percent too high for him to continue the chain.

Slight DI behind, mash down and B.

Eventually, DI'ing left or right will allow them to chain grab for more percent so around 30 just don't DI and mash down b, be ready for up tilt/up smash/nair out of the up throw at this point.

 

[Palpi]

GL to all the fox mains heading off to tournaments today.

and happy 4:20 to those who care

Lol, Midwest made it my 5:20

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Sometimes i smoke at X:20 and say "its 4:20 somewhere!"

 

[Palpi]

Haha, yes.

I usually get too tired to smoke at 4:20 am.

 

[Strong Badam]

SDIable throws:
Jigglypuff's fthrow
Falco's uthrow (lasers)
Falco's bthrow (lasers)
Mewtwo's fthrow (shadow balls)

 

[chillindude829]

i smoke all day err day

not really but i cant play melee sober

 

[Sinji]

I like what strong Bad said about Falco's uthrows (LASERS) being SDI able.

If they go for a short hop uair after the throw, you can frame trap them with a shine.

 

[Divinokage]

i smoke all day err day

not really but i cant play melee sober

loll, for me I have to find the balance just one or 2 puffs and then I go play = destruction. =P More than that, then things do get more fun but my level decreases.

 

[Palpi]

I hate trying to win when I am high, I would rather just **** around and have fun.

 

[Divinokage]

Well.. it's like Jackie Chan, drunken master.. gotta find that right amount to unlock secret powers. lol.

 

[Sinji]

I think if you nair peach and land past her, your best bet would be to turn around grab because she can CC dsmash.

In this case Mango baired after the nair (guessing it was adrenaline that lead him to make that bad decision).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w6uV1241wo&feature=player_detailpage#t=0s

 

[Brookman]

It wasn't a bad decision, he just got a weak hitbox.

 

[Sinji]

I guess your right but would turn around grab be a good option after the nair?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

no youll just get dsmashed. gotta shine or shield

 

[Sinji]

Il take that. its very reasonable. shine or shield are both safe options.

 

[Druggedfox]

I thought peachs fthrow was also on that list strong bad

 

[PK Webb]

i got 7th at my tourney today so i guess thats not bad but i realized i have a luigi problem any advice

 

[chillindude829]

fox ***** luigi, just rarely try to do combos or follow up on hits; be patient and counterattack his aerials instead of trying to capitalize, especially when he's above you

 

[Silent Wolf]

fox ***** luigi, just rarely try to do combos or follow up on hits; be patient and counterattack his aerials instead of trying to capitalize, especially when he's above you

this. dont be afraid to go out there and shine his side b recovery too, he cant do ****.

 

[unknown522]

You can do that nair->shield thing, but you must light shield.

This is a really good fox vs samus set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Ik9JghjtE

I dunno. Even when I lightshield it still goes through.

I've tried angling it and it still won't work.