Palpi
Smash Hero
Sorry mom 
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
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KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
sveet's right tho. it has no place in the forums, name calling doesn't make your post any righter than it already is, and it discourages people from asking questions. I remember when I was new/bad, im just lucky I was able to ask shane/otto in person.
I will say that if u are on the newer side of the game you can hold off on some of the advice given, or try to make sure u really put some thought into what u are saying.
I will say that if u are on the newer side of the game you can hold off on some of the advice given, or try to make sure u really put some thought into what u are saying.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
My my.. do we have to be all wishy washy all the time? It gets boring after a while. Truth is most people suck, and well.. of course some people are looking to improve but.. there's limits after a while.. lol.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
but when somebody says something wrong, just correct them or help guide their thinking.
telling them that they suck doesn't add anything constructive. I will say there are times u gotta call people out, but in general just empty insults don't get anybody anywhere.
telling them that they suck doesn't add anything constructive. I will say there are times u gotta call people out, but in general just empty insults don't get anybody anywhere.
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
Kline, you might as well go tell the 3298928928 other Smashboards members to not call names anymore. I support your post completely, but this is the internet. Him calling people names should be irrelevant. The last time name calling hurt me was during secondary school.
Name calling, in this situation, is just another way of expressing one's opinion. Simply in a more aggressive and uncalled for manner.
Name calling, in this situation, is just another way of expressing one's opinion. Simply in a more aggressive and uncalled for manner.
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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I just think that it's hilarious how basically every single item he listed is wrong
My stomach hurts from laughing
My stomach hurts from laughing
Lovage
Smash Hero
haters
sinji for life
sinji for life
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
I can only ask, im not an enforcer. and im only talking about this board specifically. I like the fox boards, and id like at least this thread to be as constructive as possible and I feel that im not alone in sharing that thinking. im aware that its the internet, but that doesn't mean people can't stop making excuses and be responsible for their own actions.
if people want to call names then they will, what harm does it do for people to ask that they don't? im not planning on being the name calling police. but there is nothing wrong with having higher standards for discussion and respecting everyone who posts here.
edit: not to mention that if all your post says is sinji is awful, its a terrible post to begin with. so im doing you a favor palpi. step yo game up pimp lol.
if people want to call names then they will, what harm does it do for people to ask that they don't? im not planning on being the name calling police. but there is nothing wrong with having higher standards for discussion and respecting everyone who posts here.
edit: not to mention that if all your post says is sinji is awful, its a terrible post to begin with. so im doing you a favor palpi. step yo game up pimp lol.
Let them move immediately afterwards and wait for something you are comfortable punishing.
You can punish the jab if your dash dancing (read: spacing) is tight enough.
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try down tilt under jab, watch for ftilt/forward b. if you're spacing out the jab you are probably spacing out the grab. if he jumps, dash attack/up smash. if he rolls. . . LOL.
just play faster but with control (over your self and your surroundings)
Webb dude you coming to the next hog?? I might bring my wii so you can mod it for me but if I do I'm gona need some collateral (your wii, for example)
You can sort of translate this style to vs. sheik but she's a little faster and has longer ground moves that are actually useful.
Alternatively, watch Jman and try to apply the **** you see him doing into your own game. Part of this comes back to my line about
Palpi
Smash Hero
I wasn't trying to be a ****, though what I said was pretty mean, and I understand that. It is just...every single one of his posts is either something that doesn't work, doesn't make sense, or doesn't apply.
I will try to not say mean things ever again, my apologies sinji
I will try to not say mean things ever again, my apologies sinji
Fortress | Sveet
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While his stuff doesn't work, its good that he is enjoying the game, exploring options and learning. I think he would benefit from the practice partners many of us take for granted.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Hm, I agree. I was out of line...even after I posted it I was like "wow, im a ****" haha
On a more productive note!!!
Sveet, you play against Rat right? Have any advice for the samus match up? I feel like whenever I try to approach I get DD ->punish or CC dsmash/dtilted. Should I just camp with lasers/bairs?
On a more productive note!!!
Sveet, you play against Rat right? Have any advice for the samus match up? I feel like whenever I try to approach I get DD ->punish or CC dsmash/dtilted. Should I just camp with lasers/bairs?
Fortress | Sveet
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Playing against Rat has taught me lots of things about the game on a whole. Specifically, key things to remember is samus can hold ground well but has a hard time taking ground. One of her main weaknesses is that her air options are limited so samus can be put in many difficult situations if you can force her to retreat to the edge. Remember that lots of characters like to dash/wavedash backwards against your approach to punish, and samus is no exception. Overshooting with dairs is quite effective against this since she can't CC and it racks up damage fast. You also have to learn to space her zone precisely as giving too much room and she will WD away and defend herself and too little room will make you eat an upb OoS. If you manage to break past the outer spacing (generally the ftilt/utilt zone) you can space bairs in the middle zone between that and the range of her Upb. Also i like to grab since i think samus players are generally not used to being thrown and it makes them (at least rat) think carefully about shielding. The punishment isn't exactly great but you can use it to force space with fthrow/bthrow or attempt a followup with uthrow or dthrow (neither are guaranteed but can lead to stuff if you make a correct call)
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edit- tbh id like to know what sort of a commit samus would have to do to punish the overshoot dair. Im thinking the only realy options are pivot ftilt (bait the overshoot with a dash and stuffing it) or maybe something a little more elegant like dashing into shield and using fox's crossup to his disadvantage to take the middle.
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edit- tbh id like to know what sort of a commit samus would have to do to punish the overshoot dair. Im thinking the only realy options are pivot ftilt (bait the overshoot with a dash and stuffing it) or maybe something a little more elegant like dashing into shield and using fox's crossup to his disadvantage to take the middle.
Palpi
Smash Hero
thanks for the tips, I will try to utilize them next time I play samus. My friend is worse than me, so it will be hard to do some of these things, since he doesn't always punish me for my mistakes, but I have found that wavedash oos -> shine/upsmash is a good way to punish samus on your shield...atleast to punish smashes or tilts on your shield.
Can I get away with a nair->shine->fadeaway nair on samus's shield to avoid up-b oos?
Can I get away with a nair->shine->fadeaway nair on samus's shield to avoid up-b oos?
Fortress | Sveet
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no samus' upb has invincibility in the startup so it will beat any move you do after the shine. I believe she could also upb after a non-late aerial and have it come out before the shine or be invincible during the shine (in which case her upb will win because of duration). Late aerials and spacing on the shield are the safest options at the top level.
Im all for doing something until you are actually punished for it tho. At least youre a step ahead in case this starts happening :D
Im all for doing something until you are actually punished for it tho. At least youre a step ahead in case this starts happening :D
Palpi
Smash Hero
Right, also I could do a nair aerial on shield and just shield if their up-b's get too predictable for an easy punish.
probably can't get away with that, since she won't be in shield long enough for you to jump out of your shine. . . unless their timing is bad.
HOWEVER, if they are trying to time it vs. your shines specifically you can get away with not shining, since they won't have their cue.
Just food for thought.
NOW, Probably the most food for though. . . if you space the first nair you won't have to worry about spacing for the up b since you will already be spacing. . .
HOWEVER, if they are trying to time it vs. your shines specifically you can get away with not shining, since they won't have their cue.
Just food for thought.
NOW, Probably the most food for though. . . if you space the first nair you won't have to worry about spacing for the up b since you will already be spacing. . .
Palpi
Smash Hero
I meant nair without a shine so I can just land with a late nair and shield.
I was referring to this
regarding shield vs. her up+b, it is pretty . .. . good at stabbing.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Oh lol. Well it was 2 posts ago, which made it confusing. LOL truth about spacing the first one and not worrying about anything, but if I do **** up atleast I know I could have...soome options..possibly.
Palpi
Smash Hero
neat
I remember toph saying something about practicing tech skill when edgeguarding samus since it takes forever for her to recover. Obviously a joke, but I do it for the lulz
I remember toph saying something about practicing tech skill when edgeguarding samus since it takes forever for her to recover. Obviously a joke, but I do it for the lulz
Fortress | Sveet
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You can do that nair->shield thing, but you must light shield.
This is a really good fox vs samus set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Ik9JghjtE
This is a really good fox vs samus set: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5Ik9JghjtE
Palpi
Smash Hero
Yeah I was thinking about light shielding vs the up-b for shield poking that brookman mentioned. I'll take a look at the set now.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
one of the best things you can do vs samus is bait their up B. when can successfully do that you get more leeway in terms of pressure.
samus players mash trying to get off as soon as possible.
try things like nair into shield, u can easily dodge a shield grab so only worry about up b. punish that **** with uair as much as u can.
LASER. when u reflect missile make sure you jump, less lag in the air.
as far as over shooting dair, sveet is pretty solid about what happens, they can use it against u, but only adjust if they do.
I find that things like circle jumping with alot of dash dancing are pretty good for making samus a little jittery, where u can try to punish a lagier move with a grab.
ive been using down throw and trying to get off an up smash, but anything that gets samus into the air will at minimum put you in a better position.
samus players mash trying to get off as soon as possible.
try things like nair into shield, u can easily dodge a shield grab so only worry about up b. punish that **** with uair as much as u can.
LASER. when u reflect missile make sure you jump, less lag in the air.
as far as over shooting dair, sveet is pretty solid about what happens, they can use it against u, but only adjust if they do.
I find that things like circle jumping with alot of dash dancing are pretty good for making samus a little jittery, where u can try to punish a lagier move with a grab.
ive been using down throw and trying to get off an up smash, but anything that gets samus into the air will at minimum put you in a better position.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
now you're literally making up advanced techniques
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
u haven't heard of circle jumping?
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
sounds like some **** you made up is what it sounds like lmfao
edit: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ssbm+circle+jumping&aq=f
oh boy look at all the tutorials that came up for circle jumping
all zero of them
edit: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ssbm+circle+jumping&aq=f
oh boy look at all the tutorials that came up for circle jumping
all zero of them
mers
Smash Ace
Triangle jumping is baddddd.
I assumed it meant shorthopping around someone's shield.
I assumed it meant shorthopping around someone's shield.
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I like how KAOSTAR continues to make up terms to describe things.
Da Shuffla
Smash Lord
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Fairly certain that circle jumping is empty short hop towards --> waveland away.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=60918
This post takes me back.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=60918
This post takes me back.
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
Well, who needs Circle Jumping when you have the FireSaucer?
JPOBS
Smash Hero
IMO triangle jumping has lots of applicability
compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
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All of which are american dreams
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
toph-***** ill circle jump around the crack of yo *** lol.
LOL, just because u haven't heard of it, then it doesn't exist; I feel it-and that the first place you looked was youtube, try searching smashboards next time.
strong bad-like I said, I got hit stop directly from toph. I exclusively said hitlag before then. only terms I ever made up are ascenshining and two stompin lmao.
LOL brookman. but yea I think triangle jumps are useful. ive never seen good use as fox, but ive found some use as mewtwo and I was impressed at the way Ka-master used them to wave dash through things like marth fairs and f smashes. im sure fox players could find a way to make use of it. maybe we are wrong but I still think its under used atm.
no homo
LOL, just because u haven't heard of it, then it doesn't exist; I feel it-and that the first place you looked was youtube, try searching smashboards next time.
strong bad-like I said, I got hit stop directly from toph. I exclusively said hitlag before then. only terms I ever made up are ascenshining and two stompin lmao.
LOL brookman. but yea I think triangle jumps are useful. ive never seen good use as fox, but ive found some use as mewtwo and I was impressed at the way Ka-master used them to wave dash through things like marth fairs and f smashes. im sure fox players could find a way to make use of it. maybe we are wrong but I still think its under used atm.