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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
fox can ledge hop all his aerial
ledge hop shine> aerials
can also turn around in his shine
u can wave land into anything, or (or turnaround) shine wave land into anything.
same exact thing for all his special moves, follow the pattern.
I recommend wave land empty unless an opportunity presents it self, then shine, grab, d smash, or up smash after the wave land.
unknown522
Some guy
oh yeah. Who doesn't play falco?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
If people start saying that everyone has a pocket Falco now, I'm not touching Falco ever again lol.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Everyone has a pocket falco.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
anyone here not play falcon?
Sinji
Smash Master
I got rid of the habit of pocketing falco.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
hey captain unique, literally everyone plays falco because he's so ****in different/exciting . there is way more pocket falcos than foxes.
..sorry i just hate it when people say things like 'oh if everyone does/likes this, i don't anymore' ..hipsters.
the falco part is still true tho
unknown522
Some guy
it's true. They do.
Sinji
Smash Master
Its kind of weird but I use falco for like a warm up before i start practising with fox.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
not really that weird, falco is in essence a slower version of fox, same exact moveset, your just getting the rhythm down at a more relaxed pace. I tend to do this also.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Oh I didn't know Falco was different and exciting... wait so does every other character!!! It depends on the person! So ya I'm not touching Falco ever again, **** him, I'm going to be different!
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
i know it generally depends on the person, but it's not very easy to say that the majority of people would have as much fun playing, say pichu, or zelda, or any slow crappy character over a fast paced character with a wide variety moveset, EASY lengthy combos, with fast projectiles etcetc. He has alot of excitement going on with him as a character.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Who cares about the majority or anything like that, this isn't really a democracy as to why Falco should be more exciting. Fortunately, it doesn't work like that.. lol.
trahhSTEEZY
Smash Champion
Who cares about the majority? Clearly you do if you're attempting to be so unique!
I'm just stating that alot of people have a pocket falco for the reasons i've listed, besides the obvious of him being good. He is an exciting character to many and that contributes to the large scale of people playing falco. i'm not trying to convince you that Falco is more exciting than whoever you[obviously] main.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Oh well that's too bad. =P But ya Falco is cool, I do play him for time to time. I'm just making you talk. =P
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i used falco before he was popular
JPOBS
Smash Hero
I personally prefer warming up with fox. Falco feels janky as hell when not warm and his lasers feel stupid.
food for thought
anti conformity is also a kind of conformity in itself. In fact, not doing something purely because others are doing it, is probably even dumber than doing something because ppl are.
food for thought
Divinokage
Smash Legend
It's a good thing I live in the heart then.. I'm not bound by stupid duality like this. =)
Sigged .
unknown522
Some guy
kage, I heard you're going to BEAST 2?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Ya I want too but.. not sure about my chances though.. it's like 1k to go or something, it's a bit much, I would need to somehow find cheaper tickets..
JPOBS
Smash Hero
stop talking in riddles
Sinji
Smash Master
Kage maybe you can teach me how to play ganon one day. 
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
If anybody wants to be unique...There are a few spots left in the Shadow League
On a more serious note, ppl dont come here to read this worthless banter, does nobody have anything to say about Fox McCloud? This board has a reputation to uphold.
On a more serious note, ppl dont come here to read this worthless banter, does nobody have anything to say about Fox McCloud? This board has a reputation to uphold.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
It's not riddles, it's the truth.. dummy.
Sinji, maybe.. all I can do here is try to give advice but you'll have to go to tournaments if you want to play and I can show you stuff.
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
Why do you guys always go for reads in situations you don't need to? Example: fox dittos on FD. When landing a solid combo hit, you can pretty much literally react to almost every single thing your opponent can do. What confuses me even more is when there's only 1 option you *can't* easily react to, but then people try to read something that you could have reacted to (aka there's only one situation you should have bothered trying to read). It's not just lower level players, but lots of the higher level foxes as well.
Lots of people reading this might do "duh" but I very rarely see fox players try to fully implement the extent to which you can combo off reaction vs spacies. I personally try to do this as much as possible, but oh well.
/random foxmccloud discussion since kaostar asked
Lots of people reading this might do "duh" but I very rarely see fox players try to fully implement the extent to which you can combo off reaction vs spacies. I personally try to do this as much as possible, but oh well.
/random foxmccloud discussion since kaostar asked
FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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@DF because a charged usmash tech read pays off way more highly than a reactionary shine/grab techchase? Because the psychological power of reading your opponents tech, going to punish it, and them still rolling into it is likely to win you whole sets whereas a mechanical techchase isn't?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I like Foxlisk's theory.
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
You can react with upsmash as easily as you can with grab (they both come out in 7 frames). Additionally, while that is true to an extent, I think there's a certain psychological advantage to your opponent feeling literally helpless (when they realize you react perfectly to everything). On top of that, if you predict/guess wrong you've lost something guaranteed; alternatively, if you go for something guaranteed it can lead to more guaranteed things.
For example on FD:
Upthrow --> upsmash. No tech = jab/upsmash, anything else = regrab/upsmash. Rinse repeat until upsmash doesn't lead to tech chasing. At that point upthrow--> nair. After nair follow the same process described earlier, but try to regrab more for tech chases. Also, if you realize they haven't teched before you're close enough to actually hit, I like dair resets (idk for sure, but I think its probably harder to SDI one hit of a dair into a standing position vs a jab). This eventually leads to an upthrow weak nair upsmash, or something of the like.
Without chaingrabbing (which I know many people prefer not to do on FD) you've effectively done something guaranteed, which paid off as well as if not more than a charged upsmash. Obviously I don't expect people to do this exact string consistently, but often a charged upsmash isn't even that great for punishment besides the initial damage. As I said, I think the psychological aspect of "no escape", if you can pull it off for an extended period of time, is just as scary as getting read.
Edit: I just see this everywhere. I saw a colbol shiz fox ditto from one of their recent big tournies and that was ALL over the place (the reads/guesses). I watched a set of redd vs chillin that *just* got put up? Same thing. So annoying >_>
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
you can't argue with losing stocks, mechanical tech chasing pays off way more. its more reliable and u end up doing more damage than a charged up smash.
id be much more fearful of an opponent who reacted to my techs than one who is just guessing.
I think that people go for the big bang to end their combos. often times its unnecessary, fox has too many options.
id be much more fearful of an opponent who reacted to my techs than one who is just guessing.
I think that people go for the big bang to end their combos. often times its unnecessary, fox has too many options.
unknown522
Some guy
can Jason hook you up or something?
Divinokage
Smash Legend
I don't think he can, he can only do it within his family.
unknown522
Some guy
awww, that sucks.
I hope you find a way there though. That'd be awesome.
edit: "The maximum amount of posts on this page can display has been reached. Posts will now start to disappear from oldest to newest."
wow.
I hope you find a way there though. That'd be awesome.
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wow.
Lovage
Smash Hero
reads can make you more confident in your reactions, if you feel like they have a tendency to do something specific, when that situation comes again your fingers are gonna react faster to it. at least that's how i feel it works for me.
while making your combos reliant on reaction as much as possible is a good policy to strive for, prediction and reaction will always go hand in hand as u get better at the game, so it's not like you should lose confidence in your prediction just cuz ur trying to tech chase better lol.
aaaaand @ unknown i don't think that means the beginning of this thread is gonna get deleted, i think it's just posts on this thread are gonna fade away and get replaced until you refresh cuz of the new live-posting ****
while making your combos reliant on reaction as much as possible is a good policy to strive for, prediction and reaction will always go hand in hand as u get better at the game, so it's not like you should lose confidence in your prediction just cuz ur trying to tech chase better lol.
aaaaand @ unknown i don't think that means the beginning of this thread is gonna get deleted, i think it's just posts on this thread are gonna fade away and get replaced until you refresh cuz of the new live-posting ****
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
^Yeah of course; I usually expect something when doing mechanical tech chasing, which greatly aids me in reacting to the more difficult to react to stuff. That said, I don't really think something like wavedashing backwards and charging an upsmash is something that people should be doing in fox dittos on FD in a serious set.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
The only time I charge smashes purely on prediction is when I'm trying to embarrass people.
Well said, df
Well said, df