Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[ChivalRuse]

Well, then it'd depend on where Pikachu is recovering from. If he doesn't have options for going far into the stage then you might as well just ledge stand.

 

[FoxLisk]

i like dairing at the ledge to cover missed sweetspots then grabbing ledge and shine spiking/LH bairing.

 

[KAOSTAR]

actually roll is better because of the spacing it puts you on the stage. Pikachu has many options to go deep into the stage and rolling puts you in the center of his available options.

I have a feeling that you could place yourself in the same spot in less time without being committed to a roll. Thats almost like saying Id rather roll away from my opponent instead of WD back because rolling puts marth at perfect tipper range.

Also note, im not saying rolling up isnt a viable option, I just dont understand how you would classify rolling as better. Easier maybe, but Im trying to understand how its better ie does the same thing in a more effective manner.

 

[unknown522]

actually roll is better because of the spacing it puts you on the stage. Pikachu has many options to go deep into the stage and rolling puts you in the center of his available options.

I taught Jman to just get up at Apex, amongst other things while he was playing friendlies with Axe. He then asked me: "Why the hell do you know how to fight pikachu?"

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Cool story unknown.

@ Kaostar, if you start the roll and the standard getup at the same time, yes you can probably run to the middle faster. But if you talk about positioning at the last frame of "holding the edge", you are further in when you are done rolling. Start your roll sooner than if you tried to do stand up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LD2QY3ZRE#t=32

 

[KAOSTAR]

Thats more coincidence than anything else. What if pikachu lands right at the ledge. You have already committed to that roll. Seems like you are setting yourself up for failure imo.

You may be further in on the stage at the last point of holding the edge....but its not like you can do anything else other than finish your roll. If you stand up you have taken away the ledge option but im sure fox could run to that same position as the roll by the time it finishes. Not to mention, once u react to the fact that pikachu is not going to the ledge you can even ledge hop up for an even faster approach. holding the ledge u still have ledge hop bairs and shines available as well. Standing just allows you to cover more options.

Roll seems like the best option if pikachu lands right in front of where fox rolls lol. youtube wars.

Edit: oh look standing up being successful in the same situation- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sclzH9-FrTU&feature=related#t=3m33s

 

[Sinji]

I like ledge hopping cause its faster and more effective.

 

[JPOBS]

just fsmash.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

kaostar, you know axe coulda gone for edge in that situation right?

 

[KAOSTAR]

I was focused more on being an ******* than anything else. But yea his initial up B to the ledge would probably not have grabbed(fox still occupies the ledge for a lil when he stands), but if he did a 2nd one he could have definitely grabbed the edge. It most likely wouldnt have been sweet spotted tho, and lovage coulda downsmashed making pika eat foot.

And thats not even considering the fact that lovage could have timed his stand a little better.

 

[unknown522]

timing the stand is godly

 

[JPOBS]

i figured out how to beat axe.
if he nairs your shield, he will either upair or dd grab depending on how far away he lands.

so all u have to do is not try to act oos if he lands close cuz his upair will beat you, or if he lands far away, wavedash forward oos then dd and upsmash his grab attempt.

foolproof.

just combine this simple strategy with fsmashing his upb and foxes will never lose to ash again.

 

[Sinji]

i figured out how to beat axe.
if he nairs your shield, he will either upair or dd grab depending on how far away he lands.

so all u have to do is not try to act oos if he lands close cuz his upair will beat you, or if he lands far away, wavedash forward oos then dd and upsmash his grab attempt.

foolproof.

just combine this simple strategy with fsmashing his upb and foxes will never lose to ash again.

LOL two words. Full proof.

Well said. I'm going try that against axe if i get a chance at him at Apex 2012. The strategy sounds reasonable.

 

[FoxLisk]

just combine this simple strategy with fsmashing his upb and foxes will never lose to ash again.

FINALLY. im so sick of that smug ******* taking all my pokemon.

 

[Druggedfox]

Honestly? While obviously thats oversimplified, I think people would be surprised by just *how* much better players would do if they just waited instead of doing something OoS and letting pikachu do something laggy. His pressure game is only good if you let it be....

 

[Strong Badam]

Waiting is a very viable option in a lot of situations. People don't do it enough.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Waiting is a very viable option in a lot of situations. People don't do it enough.

This.

Smooth Criminal

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aVAGTs5ZF0&feature=feedu

i win yes, but its the only peach footage i have in awhile. i havent watched this myself so hopefully it's terribad :D

tipsies?!

 

[unknown522]

damn, that peach got *****.

Also, you spam way too many moves, but he's bad at dealing with it so you never get punished.

If he held down at almost any point that you attacked him, you should've taken like 50 damage.

 

[FoxLisk]

you just need to be more patient. you start out every stock playing the matchup pretty well, looking ofr openings and running aruond on platforms, and then as soon as you get like a stray dair, you play the rest of the stock like a maniac and just try to pressure.

also your bairs on his shield are generally spaced pretty poorly, you should work on that. your combo game is quite good though

on ps you laser way too long while she's running at you. you realize it and then just sit in shield while she has her way with you. only shoot lasers until she starts coming at you, then you have to get your positioning game on again.

FH nair is not a good strategy against peach... esp. when she's grounded. she can CC dsmash that super easily.

your shield pressure game is solid technically, but now you need to start working on spacing your moves correctly. you're right in the middle of him a lot of the time, which is a good way to get nair OoS'd. you hit his shield with the front of your bair a lot, which is super not a good idea, because it puts you in an uncomfortable spacing with very little shieldstun. also i saw you nair-jab at least once. this is only the least bit safe if you land such that the tip of your jab will hit the shield, but you did it while you were basically inside her.

 

[Divinokage]

Waiting is a very viable option in a lot of situations. People don't do it enough.

Destroying your opponents is also a viable option.

 

[Brookman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZyo7OTQPjo&feature=feedu

LOL LOVAGE!! second kill was hilarious

 

[JPOBS]

that peach is pretty good at sdi shines and upairs.

 

[linkoninja]

I always get happy when I see Smooth Crimminal post
that dude is hilarious.

Kage has a point, let's not be campy and just Destroy things, that's the Ganon way.

 

[Strong Badam]

Waiting isn't inherently camping. It's simply not committing to anything, preferring to obtain more information before making a decision.

 

[Brookman]

The trick is to camp right in people's faces, rather than half way accross the stage.

 

[Sinji]

Eggm camps a lot.

I dont know any other fox mains that camps the most like Eggm.

 

[Strong Badam]

It's often inherently difficult for more than one person to do something the most.

 

[KAOSTAR]

It's often inherently difficult for more than one person to do something the most.

hmm, the more you kno

LMAO 2 funny.


Edit: did anybody notice that they changed the background color of the Revolution Skin? The black borders on my avatar werent visible b4, or am I just seeing things and the color is exactly the same?

 

[Brookman]

It's often inherently difficult for more than one person to do something the most.

similar to how I am the most sarcastic ******* on the forum and, no matter how hard you try, I'll still be the most sarcastic ******* ;]

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

you just need to be more patient. you start out every stock playing the matchup pretty well, looking ofr openings and running aruond on platforms, and then as soon as you get like a stray dair, you play the rest of the stock like a maniac and just try to pressure.

also your bairs on his shield are generally spaced pretty poorly, you should work on that. your combo game is quite good though

on ps you laser way too long while she's running at you. you realize it and then just sit in shield while she has her way with you. only shoot lasers until she starts coming at you, then you have to get your positioning game on again.

FH nair is not a good strategy against peach... esp. when she's grounded. she can CC dsmash that super easily.

your shield pressure game is solid technically, but now you need to start working on spacing your moves correctly. you're right in the middle of him a lot of the time, which is a good way to get nair OoS'd. you hit his shield with the front of your bair a lot, which is super not a good idea, because it puts you in an uncomfortable spacing with very little shieldstun. also i saw you nair-jab at least once. this is only the least bit safe if you land such that the tip of your jab will hit the shield, but you did it while you were basically inside her.

good stuff, thanks.
lol i just love playing an agressive game i try and fit it in my play as often as possible without straying from playing safe enough :D

 

[Brookman]

full jump ASAP bair is so good.

 

[Sinji]

Lucky uses full jump ASAP bair a lot. especially against Marth.

 

[Brookman]

you don't even have to ASAP vs. marth cause he's so tall

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

brook through me some advice

 

[Brookman]

not a lot of time at the moment, but one thing I did notice was the peach player grabbing your shine a lot. You could try aerial > aerial rather than aerial to shine. Most likely what he's doing is waiting for your shine to come out and then grabbing. Since he's so good vs. the shine I wouldn't recommend jabbing his shield (edit: you just jabbed his shield and shined, I take that back- partially).

More drilling and shining. I'll look into it more later tonight or tomorrow

 

[Sinji]

I mean Marth fairing and Lucky predicting thus asap bair.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Whats Asap mean? or is that just like jump and bair immediately as soon as you are airborne?

 

[JPOBS]

Whats Asap mean? or is that just like jump and bair immediately as soon as you are airborne?

asap = Aerial Stall And Punish.

 

[Wenbobular]

As soon as possible ...