Divinokage
Smash Legend
Really? I don't think that's a good idea at this point.. I'm sure you don't want accidental Side-Bs just because perhaps the muscle memory is slightly different.
Also, Rofl at teching in place 80% of the time =P
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- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Also, Rofl at teching in place 80% of the time =P
battousai555
Smash Ace
Me, if I'm getting read like a children's book.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
dude, Vro does this. He coined it trusting "the heart of the cards" or something
LOL
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
That's deep.
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Kanelol
Smash Lord
that's actually a great idea
you can't get read if you yourself don't know which way you're teching
:O
you can't get read if you yourself don't know which way you're teching
:O
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
Not necessarily true...in fact, your "random" teching will more likely than not follow some sort of pattern unintentionally; most people are straight up bad at actually randomizing anything
lord karn
Smash Master
Unless they just spin the control stick. But if they do that, you know they won't tech in place.
Divinokage
Smash Legend
You can also do random techchases and youll hit him eventually lol.. so stupid.
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Up/Down + tech = tech in place.
But not knowing yourself where you're going is an accident waiting to happen. Teching toward a ledge can be good to throw someone off but if they react to it and ****ing knee you off the stage you're done for. If you're spinning the stick you likely aren't going to be able to DI properly either.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
yea but you're so ****ing good at tech chasing i wanna get on that level. wat do?
i lol'd
Sinji
Smash Master
I often times tech in place and get *****.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
LMAO. so thats how u do it
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Well ****, you might as well do SOMETHING when you knock the guy down.. >_>
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
practice / trained reaction
alternatively think of setups that cover multiple options and use those a lot
battousai555
Smash Ace
Hence why I said "random-ish." You can vary the speed at which you spin the stick, and the fact that you're in the air for differing amounts of time because of DI makes it fairly random. Good luck finding any sort of pattern, good sir.
Again, I'd only use it as a last resort if I'm getting read super well (like, 0-death kind of read, mayhap). You only need to spin the stick until you tech, so you should have plenty of time to DI properly.
The human brain is incapable of truly random output, methinks. If you can't see the difference between the randomness of spinning the stick for aforementioned reasons and tech-chasing (which isn't random at all) then "lol.. so stupid."
Sinji
Smash Master
I was watching some of ur vids from ROM 3 vs Dr.PP. You covered a lot of his options when you were tech chasing.
unknown522
Some guy
For me, the laser is just to rack damage vs players who don't approach. A lot of times though, I feel that I give up good positioning by doing lasers. If sheik needle camps, I will shoot them back. Only in tourney though.
But yeah, tech in place all day. No matter which way I tech he can cover it with ease. Tech in place is harder to time, and I didn't really feel like tricking/manipulating him (though it may not work anyways).
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yeah, Tech in place -> shine is the hardest tech option to grab on reaction. the only reason people don't always do it is because then people wouldn't have to react :/
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Ryan wasn't trying in those matches; the "semi" in "semi-serious" is all him. 
vs. people who shine after the tech roll/get up/side step I usually just dash dance outside the shine. Works like a charm, really.
I like to use the up b in unique ways. For example, I use it to disrupt recoveries. When I did it vs. Eggm he called it "2011 edge guarding". You can also use it to tech chase (up b in a short hop where the opponent is going to become vulnerable - they will either be caught in the charge or be caught blocking in the charge.)
I highly recommend ****ing around with it in friendly matches and see what you can do with it. don't forget, it combos amazingly well.
I like to use the up b in unique ways. For example, I use it to disrupt recoveries. When I did it vs. Eggm he called it "2011 edge guarding". You can also use it to tech chase (up b in a short hop where the opponent is going to become vulnerable - they will either be caught in the charge or be caught blocking in the charge.)
I highly recommend ****ing around with it in friendly matches and see what you can do with it. don't forget, it combos amazingly well.
Sinji
Smash Master
I think i found out a zero to death combo in fox ditto's on Yoshis Story.
uthrow>usmash> usmash, the fox player will land on the lower platform, after the second usmash, u will be able to nair them before they touch the ground> usmash, the fox'es percent will be around 70-75%> uair.
I dont think it will work on falco considering that he falls too fast.
uthrow>usmash> usmash, the fox player will land on the lower platform, after the second usmash, u will be able to nair them before they touch the ground> usmash, the fox'es percent will be around 70-75%> uair.
I dont think it will work on falco considering that he falls too fast.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
I think u will have a hard time trying to Z2D with the same combo consistently.
just be prepared to react to their DI and stage position.
just be prepared to react to their DI and stage position.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
at 20 - 40 or so i u-throw uair if people don't di the throw because it combos better than other stuff
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
u mean in general or ff specific? vs ff I try to u tilt closer to 40. or do u think up air still combos better?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
on fox/falco
at like 40 it depends on the level i guess but it launches above platforms so i can link directly to moves without them landing on the platform which is nice sometimes and lets me do stuff like u-throw > uair > nair > shine or u-throw > uair > uair > uair > uair or whatever
at like 40 it depends on the level i guess but it launches above platforms so i can link directly to moves without them landing on the platform which is nice sometimes and lets me do stuff like u-throw > uair > nair > shine or u-throw > uair > uair > uair > uair or whatever
unknown522
Some guy
****ing guy.Ryan wasn't trying in those matches; the "semi" in "semi-serious" is all him.
2011? I've been doing that from time. Disrupting gimps and recoveries.
it really does look jewish.
lol, that doesn't work. DI ruins everything.
You must've been practicing this on a computer or something.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
idk i play hella gayMy fox is getting better. I could take prob 20% of you now
fox death combo on fox is like
move > u-throw > u-smash / u-throw (u-throw works until platform interrupts) > tech chase launch move (grab/u-smash/uair) > combo another move > possibly tech chase the next move, maybe combo depending on what your last move was > ditto > ditto > hit them offstage > edgeguard
Lovage
Smash Hero
yeah short hop uair is pretty good for extending combos kinda like sheik's dair, ppl don't use it as much as they should
a lot of times ppl uthrow -> usmash when they coulda uthrow -> uair -> baired OR ppl usmash -> usmash when they coulda usmash -> uair -> baired instead
a lot of times ppl uthrow -> usmash when they coulda uthrow -> uair -> baired OR ppl usmash -> usmash when they coulda usmash -> uair -> baired instead
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only issue with uair is that the weak hit can be DI'd out of.
Lovage
Smash Hero
hmm yeah, i mean that's always a concern for multi-hit moves but i feel that in the middle of your combos the likelihood of it happening is a lot smaller, compared to like uthrow uairing peach where it can happen a lot. in the middle of combos, you have plenty of hitstun to position your uair really well so it's hard to SDI out of.
btw that's a good tip in general, when you have extra hitstun before your uair (such as uthrow uair'ing spacies over 100%,) take the extra second to make sure your uair connects in the most meaty way possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJHb-8BczTQ#t=12m50s that's kinda an example of what i mean. i do it even more blatantly against spacies but idk if that's on any vids.
edit: my timestamp doesn't work when i click on it idk why LOL <.<
btw that's a good tip in general, when you have extra hitstun before your uair (such as uthrow uair'ing spacies over 100%,) take the extra second to make sure your uair connects in the most meaty way possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJHb-8BczTQ#t=12m50s that's kinda an example of what i mean. i do it even more blatantly against spacies but idk if that's on any vids.
edit: my timestamp doesn't work when i click on it idk why LOL <.<
Pogogo
Smash Journeyman
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Actually having come to this realization is part of the reason I feel I'm progressing. Once you grab they not only take the upsmash/regrab/bair you get the tech chase as well which makes it easy to regrab. Rinse and repeat until they offstage. Then its about nailing the edgegaurd.
I feel most comfortable with fox falco shiek matchup mostly because I love uthrow.
But I'm still bad obs but getting better. What do you do when sheik tries to needle the edge? I notice you never do this but this one guy always uses his full needles to recover. kinda works. I never try to bair offstage so maybe that might be a problem
Fried Ice Cream
Smash Ace
What is the best thing to do punish a Peach's down-smash when you shield it and you get pushed semi-far away? I noticed I really suck at punishing them, but what would be the best course of action?
Same question for a completely missed Down-smash, althought that's somewhat easier.
Same question for a completely missed Down-smash, althought that's somewhat easier.
Winston
Smash Master
Wavedash out of shield towards them -> waveshine -> whatever you want
Fried Ice Cream
Smash Ace
I'm usually pushed away too far to reach him in one wavedash, and by that time I somehow eat another d-smash
You're not pushed away you are just 1) not wavedashing far enough or 2) not wavedashing out of your shield early enough.
You can eat three hits from the downsmash and still punish iwth a shine/drill/up smash/grab. Just keep trying.
You can eat three hits from the downsmash and still punish iwth a shine/drill/up smash/grab. Just keep trying.
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You have to be pretty accurate with your timings to do it, though. I know peach can spotdodge/dsmash again before you wd OoS grab, so its less than 6 frames margin from my estimation.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
okay, this has been bothering me for a long time
last I read, uthrow uair does NOT combo on peach. at least, not reliably.
however, lovage apparently still uthrow uairs her, and sometimes I can do it myself
what gives? is there a percent window for it? or is it one of those "it doesn't combo but she leaves hitstun 1-2 frames before it hits so it basically combos" one of deals?
last I read, uthrow uair does NOT combo on peach. at least, not reliably.
however, lovage apparently still uthrow uairs her, and sometimes I can do it myself
what gives? is there a percent window for it? or is it one of those "it doesn't combo but she leaves hitstun 1-2 frames before it hits so it basically combos" one of deals?