Palpi
Smash Hero
I wish i was good enough with falco to cover every single option in the game.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Sinji
Smash Master
I know how to combo falco. I just don't know how to counter his spamming lasers.
It is absolutely helpful. I'm telling Sinji to look deeper into his own playing in the hopes of encouraging him to develop as a player.
My general style when I feel pinned by lasers is to force the falco player to FULL JUMP and COMMIT to LASERING. It is in this instant that you will be able to close the most ground on him and, if you are close enough, may be able to connect a shine (assuming he's @ the edge).
You need to really observe and reconsider your play style. There is absolutely NO WAY this player is covering every option. It is far more likely that he is covering your obvious decision making.
ultimately, powershielding is your best friend. Against less-experienced laser spammers, powershielding will discourage them lasering altogether. Trick is to have a follow up to your powershields like zoso.
FoxLisk
Smash Lord
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yo. i understand. but it's only abstractly helpful. like the way he actually phrased the question you were addressing it appropriately, but i could imagine myself asking the same question the same way but really meaning, "i am getting locked down because I don't know what my valid options are; can someone help me understand what things I should be trying?" and that, the more useful question, you did not answer.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
These boards suck because people like me are too lazy to actually make detailed, edifying posts.
Oh, and in response to Palpi: even though Falco can't cover every option 100% of the time, he can still limit options severely and force his opponent into disadvantageous positions.
Oh, and in response to Palpi: even though Falco can't cover every option 100% of the time, he can still limit options severely and force his opponent into disadvantageous positions.
unknown522
Some guy
Drephen was my first victim
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
yes. this. getting shut down. it's fun to watch.
Is it completely necessary to follow up grounded shines with a wavedash? Because I see it quite a bit but I'm really inconsistent at doing it. Will I be considerably worse than others if I don't?
If I absolutely have to learn it then what's the best way? Practise in training mode? >.> tips please!
If I absolutely have to learn it then what's the best way? Practise in training mode? >.> tips please!
Doser
Smash Ace
I'm no expert fox, but wavedashing right after a shine can give you a free up-smash or grab on a lot of characters. Regardless of getting free damage/grabs it allows you to quickly move horizontally after a shine where otherwise you would be forced into the air if you simply jump canceled it.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
you are significantly worse off than all other fox players if you can't waveshine.
just practice. practice practice practice.
just practice. practice practice practice.
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
learning to wavedash out of shine will DRAMATICALLY increase your fox's potential.
like... by an immeasurable amount...
it's well worth the time spent learning it.
like... by an immeasurable amount...
it's well worth the time spent learning it.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
drephen's d-smashes are magical and sometimes go through shield seemingly for no reason
also check out my pretty new avatar
also check out my pretty new avatar
Palpi
Smash Hero
I wasn't expecting a reply...i was obviously just joking <3
unknown522
Some guy
new vids of GTA (ontario) smashers such as myself, raynex, Kirbykaze, Idea <_<:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11679118
- KK (fox) vs sauc3 (jiggs/sheik/fox) @ 00:04:49
- KK (fox) vs Idea (jiggs) [LSF] @ 00:52:36 (Kels, take notes!!!)
- Myself (default fox) vs RaynEX (blue fox) [WF] @ 01:23:00
- KK (green fox) vs RaynEX (blue fox) [LF] @ 01:40:15, right after WF
- GFs were not played out.
- Raynex (blue fox?) vs KK (green fox) [WSF] was not recorded
quality is not the greatest, but watchable.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11679118
- KK (fox) vs sauc3 (jiggs/sheik/fox) @ 00:04:49
- KK (fox) vs Idea (jiggs) [LSF] @ 00:52:36 (Kels, take notes!!!)
- Myself (default fox) vs RaynEX (blue fox) [WF] @ 01:23:00
- KK (green fox) vs RaynEX (blue fox) [LF] @ 01:40:15, right after WF
- GFs were not played out.
- Raynex (blue fox?) vs KK (green fox) [WSF] was not recorded
quality is not the greatest, but watchable.
Doser
Smash Ace
Awesome, cool stuff.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
cats don't know bout KK's fox.
<3 new footage of raynex tho.
<3 new footage of raynex tho.
Rubyiris
Smash Hero
i find it significantly more difficult to drill shine than to nair shine.
could someone explain to me how this is possible? Thanks.
could someone explain to me how this is possible? Thanks.
Sinji
Smash Master
cool stuff
Lovage
Smash Hero
tip of the week
in a thunders' combo, you can use fox's double-jab to force them to stand up exactly where you jabbed them. you can do this when your single jab would have let them slide off an edge.
only problem is the % threshold is bit lower cuz double-jab has more knockback
in a thunders' combo, you can use fox's double-jab to force them to stand up exactly where you jabbed them. you can do this when your single jab would have let them slide off an edge.
only problem is the % threshold is bit lower cuz double-jab has more knockback
Lovage
Smash Hero
wtf how would u do that
LOL deff learned this at cali from lovage
Lovage
Smash Hero
that doesnt work on ppl that fall from shine
Try harder, my dude.
yea son i thought i should sig my fav 2 moves with fox lol
edit y the **** is marth so fun to play makes me wanna main the *****
omgwtfToph
Smash Master
it works sometimes but the timing is really strict i guess. it's pretty easy if you run into the shine. i see eggm doing it in videos sometimes though, and otto does it sometimes too
I GUESS idk
good tip on the double jab thunders though, ty
and hey uhhh i played SS a bunch this weekend and wooow it's like, HARDER than I remember it being, even though I got better since the last time I played him. <.< I'm starting to feel like Fox vs Falcon is one of these matchups like Marth vs Peach, where, if you don't find a way to kill the other character at a low %, then he is going to survive until like 150% LOL. I feel like SS makes certain things that should work against Falcon not work, like drillshine upsmashes. Like, I seriously think I shined him, and he immediately went into his shield somehow (even though he was grounded when I shined him) so the usmash didn't connect. I also suck at edgeguarding Falcon aka edgeguarding SS >_> can anyone from cali - or anyone who knows what I am talking about and how ***ken gay it is fighting beast falcon - please help? (no videos atm sorry - so just general realizations you've made about the matchup, and fighting SS in particular, etc. would be gladly appreciated) T____T
I think SS was probably buffering a jump into your shine. I sasume you know what happens when a player does this so I'm not gonna go into any farther. If you notice that he does this just up smash him LOL
edit: I can't tell you about fighting SS in particular but I did find proof of my above statement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yorqQFWuR-g&t=0m50s
he executes the trick @ about 58 seconds. You'll see it ;]
edit: I can't tell you about fighting SS in particular but I did find proof of my above statement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yorqQFWuR-g&t=0m50s
he executes the trick @ about 58 seconds. You'll see it ;]
Sinji
Smash Master
SS is one smart ppl. He grabs from behind after getting shined.
i noticed in alot of fox vids vs ppl like sheik y dont fox try to keep their invincibility frames at the ledge to force them onto the stage. what i see foxes doing is they grab the ledge the sheik up b and then the fox jumps on to the stage and trys to either dsmash or a angled ftilt the edge and more than not they dont get the hit. now do foxes dont firefox stall or simply fall and grab the ledge because they r scared to mess up or has the current meta just abolished doing this cuz there is sumthing better???
Sinji
Smash Master
I haven't played a shiek player in long while.
Against sheik top players will just edge hog. Sheik is forced to the stage/platforms and at this point you can punish.
People may leave the edge early if they believe the sheik has no intention of sweet spotting to the edge.
Stand up, don't roll.
People may leave the edge early if they believe the sheik has no intention of sweet spotting to the edge.
Stand up, don't roll.
mers
Smash Ace
So, on FD, setting up a Doraki walljump is really easy. Is there any practical application for this? Neat edgeguarding tricks or mixups to get back onstage?
One nifty thing about it is that if you set one up, you can still choose whether or not to use it or just do the regular drop from ledge. If your reactions are good enough, that probably gives you more edgeguarding options, right? Maybe?
One nifty thing about it is that if you set one up, you can still choose whether or not to use it or just do the regular drop from ledge. If your reactions are good enough, that probably gives you more edgeguarding options, right? Maybe?
silentSWAG
Smash Lord
How do u shine out of marths chaingrab, is there a certain way to di or something. Ive seen this done alot lately, i figure this would be very helpful in the match up
Sinji
Smash Master
you have an opportunity to shine out of marths chaingrab around 30%. Just hope marth does not use utilt. one utilt can lead to another grab.
silentSWAG
Smash Lord
thanks thats what my friend said but i wasnt sure, he reads it and he just piviots now
mers
Smash Ace
I mean, I have been, but I'm not that good so I haven't had much success. I was asking whether or not anyone else has found anything cool.