unknown522
Some guy
yeah, It just takes time to get used to their shortcommings if you don't know already....It's the same way that I beat high tiers with pichu...it's just lack of knowledge.
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And by "fair", I mean "acceptable", not "forward-aerial".Okay, 8 frames is fair.
Get a new roommate?My roommate is a great Fox.
I'm a sub-par Fox.
Discuss.
Smooth Criminal
Mah dude...Get a new roommate?
Or break his controller?
because part of being a good fox is being having proper tech skill, and tell me which part of this should a good fox be making a mistake in timingim confused as to how you could go around assinging titles like "good fox" and "subpar" fox based on whether or not they get out a bair on 1 frame or 3 :/
what confuses me even more sveet is that you somehow know that "good foxes" are in fact only 1 frame slower than optimal.... :/
teach me your ways.
because a good fox not only makes good decisions, but does not make technical errors/slow inputs in addition to recovering well, DIing well, etc.im confused as to how you could go around assinging titles like "good fox" and "subpar" fox based on whether or not they get out a bair on 1 frame or 3 :/
what confuses me even more sveet is that you somehow know that "good foxes" are in fact only 1 frame slower than optimal.... :/
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basically thisbecause part of being a good fox is being having proper tech skill, and tell me which part of this should a good fox be making a mistake in timing
1. acting from lcancel lag
2. aerialing as soon as you jump
voorhese you have the dumbest ****ing posts in the worldplaying with fox on fast melee is a lot easier than i thought it would be, double shines and shine upsmashes feel like the same timing to me
Remind me what techs you have trouble with again. Maybe we can figure out a solution.my techskill sucks.
im the worst fox player ever.
I'm mostly just inconsistent. Some days I'm lovage/SW status. Some days it's a chore just to sh, and waveshine > grab/usmash someone.Remind me what techs you have trouble with again. Maybe we can figure out a solution.
jumping over lasers with a nair isn't the best idea. alot of the time they're trying to GET you to do this so they can cc > **** your face, or dd > grab > **** your face.Can someone throw out some general tips against falco? Like, best way to approach him? Is it jumping over lasers with nairs? Oh and also what's the proper way to DI the pillar? like how to DI the dair and then the shine. Any other tips are appreciated.
jumping over SHL with nairs is pretty good if they're not at super low percent (0-25) and you're confident you can get the shine off before they cc shineCan someone throw out some general tips against falco? Like, best way to approach him? Is it jumping over lasers with nairs? Oh and also what's the proper way to DI the pillar? like how to DI the dair and then the shine. Any other tips are appreciated.
lots of bad misconceptions in this post. other ppl will answer these questions or ill post tomorrow GOODNIGHTKind of a noob question, but I wanted to be sure:
Whenever I get hit and go flying (pretty far) off the stage, I find myself with three options, none of which can be (practically) done at the same time:
1. Hold DI throughout, mash jump to get jump as soon as possible (since I've heard that jumping in the opposite direction of the flight cancels the original momentum)
2. Wiggle and mash jump so that right after hitstun ends, the tumble is immediately canceled (what the wiggling is for, since I've heard you can't jump during the tumble animation) and the jump is executed at the earliest possible moment
3. DI part way, then mash downB so your momentum is canceled at the first possible moment, then jumping out of it. I'm not sure whether downB can be done out of the tumble animation; otherwise this would make #2 obsolete
Experimentation has not done me much good, since it's always most critical when Fox is knocked outside of the screen, where it's hard to make out what's happening when. I was wondering if you guys knew the mechanics in such a way that one of these methods (or another I haven't considered) is clearly the best? There was a time when I thought wiggling reduced hitstun (lol) and thus made the choice even more nuanced and difficult to work out, but nowadays I think it's 1 or 3 depending on what can be done directly out of a tumble.
You use up for JC grabs? I use X + Z ^_^ (and up for JC usmashes)I'm mostly just inconsistent. Some days I'm lovage/SW status. Some days it's a chore just to sh, and waveshine > grab/usmash someone.
on average I can do most things consistently, with a few exceptions.
On average:
My shine > wd > grab/usmash is probably 60~70% consistent
JC grab is like 50% Replicate suggested switching to Y rather than up, but that made it like 10% lol.
ledgedash is like 10% consistency. I used to be able to do frame-perfect ledge dashes like 100% last summer but the last month or so I just haven't been able to do them anymore.
It's probably just bad timing on my part, but my analog stick does have the issue of not centering properly. It's really lose, and is almost always angled down and to the right slightly. it's not uncommon for a nair to turn into a dair, or a fair to turn into a dair.
Shining does abosultely nothing, point blank 0 to help your recovery. In fact it if you shine near the blast zones you actually die where you would have otherwise not died. i dont know the specifics on it but its true.Yeah I suspected so, the post was meant to clear up those misconceptions. Btw, just for clarity, in that post I was talking about when you suddenly get knocked away at high speed and don't have time to think, just react. what should one default to.
Chival : Up is perfectly fine for JC grabs. It's really just a preferance. Just like you use R when most people use L. :\
My JC grab consistenty is like 90%+ using X to Z. I would never use up-to-Z and anyone that's told me they do it like that, i tell them to use x or y, and the next day they're JC'ing grabs.I'm mostly just inconsistent. Some days I'm lovage/SW status. Some days it's a chore just to sh, and waveshine > grab/usmash someone.
on average I can do most things consistently, with a few exceptions.
On average:
My shine > wd > grab/usmash is probably 60~70% consistent
JC grab is like 50% Replicate suggested switching to Y rather than up, but that made it like 10% lol.
ledgedash is like 10% consistency. I used to be able to do frame-perfect ledge dashes like 100% last summer but the last month or so I just haven't been able to do them anymore.
It's probably just bad timing on my part, but my analog stick does have the issue of not centering properly. It's really lose, and is almost always angled down and to the right slightly. it's not uncommon for a nair to turn into a dair, or a fair to turn into a dair.
yea that's pretty hard to get around. something you can try is dashing around on the top platform, then jumping to the side platform and try to bair them. i mean they can't stay there the whole game so you have to make the most of it when they're out in the open.yo lovage, how can I approach falcos that laser under platforms all the time? Or how do I get them to stop?
It's the only matchup I'm bad at. (well sort of)
yea probably if you're fast enough, grab is probably safer/easier thocan you drillshine upsmash marth when he doesnt di towards you?
:Oif you use the control stick your not going to be able to JC a grab until part way through your dash, as oppose to using x or y which enable you to dash and jump at the same time since your using two different buttons.
unless you can move the control stick in two different directions in two frames its always going to be slower than using x or y
no, I mean if you could input a dash on the control stick and then input a jump on the control stick the very next frame(which is nearly impossible) it wouldn't be as ridiculous to use the control stick for jc grabs cause a two frame linear sequence of button inputs would seem like you were doing it simultaneously and wouldn't make much difference in terms of practical gameplay:O
It's 2 frames between when you start the dash to when you can grab? So initial dash = 2 frames?
I do everything with Y+L with a few exceptions.You use up for JC grabs? I use X + Z ^_^ (and up for JC usmashes)
Do you wavedash with up or X/Y, because up seems painful to do. I use X + R
I have trouble shine bairing.
Halp.
noHas anyone noticed if their playstyle, etc changes based on what color they're using? I noticed that if I use any color except for blue(purple) my technical skill stops being completely terrible.