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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Sup3rUltraDragonXplozionX123
Smash Rookie
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2010
- Messages
- 4
You all suck I can 4 stock you. I practice with my friends all the time.
best user name eve
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
......
Really?
This is the face of trolling in 2010?
I guess it's hard to surpass the previous generations of Smashboards phenomena, namely VirusBlueMage, but **** this is horrible.
NeighborhoodP also gets honorable mention for his good work prior to VBM but VBM took the world by storm.
Really?
This is the face of trolling in 2010?
I guess it's hard to surpass the previous generations of Smashboards phenomena, namely VirusBlueMage, but **** this is horrible.
NeighborhoodP also gets honorable mention for his good work prior to VBM but VBM took the world by storm.
joeplicate
Smash Master
**** raynex i forgot how good you are
just from the first stock it looks like you get impatient sometimes, you throw out upsmashes and bairs (on edgeguards) that would've hit if you waited a tad bit longer to confirm your hit
dash dancing and then randomly upsmashing almost never works, and i'd imagine that armada with his crazy reaction times can shield it on command
you try to mix up your recovery a lot, which is good, but it seems like you go for almost too many angles sometimes. mixing it up like that is nice, but when you do something dangerous to try to trick your opponent it's almost not worth it. the risk/reward is too high
other than that you played the 2nd match really, really well
it does look like you got mad nervous though lol, that looked like the biggest issue. in that respect, i think you have to remember to be aggressive sometimes, even when you're nervous, and to take the opportunities when they come up instead of rolling away or jumping back.
once thing i noticed was that when you got nervous (3rd stock coming down from the platform, right? lol) it looked like your approaches took a turn for the worse. you ended up jumping into a bunch of moves. also, it could have been armada responding to the pressure and starting to play better, but it's still something to think about. you got caught with a lot of float back fairs.
it seems like you tried to run away a lot, especially on stock #2, but armada always had a move for you to run into, and he predicted your double jumps really well. idk, my theory on camping is that it isn't really that good, but the key to it relies in winning all the exchanges. you didn't camp the first part of that match and you were ****** **** =\, plus if you get nervous and try to focus on camping then it's a quick ticket to rapeville IMO. jman, for example, is really good at it because he can shoot his lasers really fast and present them as the problem. when the opponent focuses on this, he'll just hit them with a super-fast nair and keep shooting again to get them frustrated. in this case, armada beat you in all the exchanges. i want to say just bair more, when you're playing the double jump game and peach is in the air, but obviously it's not that simple.
you respond exceptionally well to downsmash, though
fulljump away/roll away are always what i tell myself to do, then i find myself spot dodging like a noob and getting hit haha.
good stuff
this is basically everything that came into my head while i was watching that set
feel free to take whatever you want and leave the rest, hopefully there's something you can gleam from my philosophy here. if i'm telling you things you already know, don't take it personal
. it's tough trying to critique a fox who's a lot better than me, so i tried to be really thorough.peace!
edit:
and playing high sucks
the only thing it's good for is making you more focused,
which doesn't even matter if you're too high to execute lol
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
funny how your examples of the best trolls are vbm and P.
i think both of them were being serious in all/most of their posts. (which i don't think counts as trolling)
i say trollking was lolmaster/brawlpro.
i used to troll the brawl threads with him when it was new.
battousai555
Smash Ace
This is precisely why they're great trolls.
Agreed.
<3 BLover though
<3 BLover though
`DNS`
Smash Lord
just watched that raynex vs armada set
..****
..****
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
How do I Doraki Walljump and what stages can Fox do it on?
Tomacawk
Smash Master
on FD
drop off the ledge
doublejump, ride the wall, regrab
then hit away and it auto jumps
drop off the ledge
doublejump, ride the wall, regrab
then hit away and it auto jumps
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
^^^^ sounds ugly
unknown522
Some guy
Good post. Apparently raynex doesn't remember half of these things I told him, but oh well.**** raynex i forgot how good you are
just from the first stock it looks like you get impatient sometimes, you throw out upsmashes and bairs (on edgeguards) that would've hit if you waited a tad bit longer to confirm your hit
dash dancing and then randomly upsmashing almost never works, and i'd imagine that armada with his crazy reaction times can shield it on command
you try to mix up your recovery a lot, which is good, but it seems like you go for almost too many angles sometimes. mixing it up like that is nice, but when you do something dangerous to try to trick your opponent it's almost not worth it. the risk/reward is too high
other than that you played the 2nd match really, really well
it does look like you got mad nervous though lol, that looked like the biggest issue. in that respect, i think you have to remember to be aggressive sometimes, even when you're nervous, and to take the opportunities when they come up instead of rolling away or jumping back.
once thing i noticed was that when you got nervous (3rd stock coming down from the platform, right? lol) it looked like your approaches took a turn for the worse. you ended up jumping into a bunch of moves. also, it could have been armada responding to the pressure and starting to play better, but it's still something to think about. you got caught with a lot of float back fairs.
it seems like you tried to run away a lot, especially on stock #2, but armada always had a move for you to run into, and he predicted your double jumps really well. idk, my theory on camping is that it isn't really that good, but the key to it relies in winning all the exchanges. you didn't camp the first part of that match and you were ****** **** =\, plus if you get nervous and try to focus on camping then it's a quick ticket to rapeville IMO. jman, for example, is really good at it because he can shoot his lasers really fast and present them as the problem. when the opponent focuses on this, he'll just hit them with a super-fast nair and keep shooting again to get them frustrated. in this case, armada beat you in all the exchanges. i want to say just bair more, when you're playing the double jump game and peach is in the air, but obviously it's not that simple.
you respond exceptionally well to downsmash, though
fulljump away/roll away are always what i tell myself to do, then i find myself spot dodging like a noob and getting hit haha.
good stuff
this is basically everything that came into my head while i was watching that set
feel free to take whatever you want and leave the rest, hopefully there's something you can gleam from my philosophy here. if i'm telling you things you already know, don't take it personal
peace!
edit:
and playing high sucks
the only thing it's good for is making you more focused,
which doesn't even matter if you're too high to execute lol
LumpyCPU...
Smash Hero
i was in a random chat with kirbykaze and he was all like "OMG IT'S THE WOMBO MASTER!!!! LUMPY PLEASE MAKE ME GOOD AT SMASH" and i was all like "naw, trick... naw."
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Alot of good advice. I'll remember the illusion fake thing. Everyone expects the illusion edge-cancels now so it would really come in handy. Thanks Toma.
I HUGELY appreciate your input. So many good things to remember. Thanks Joe.**** raynex i forgot how good you are
just from the first stock it looks like you get impatient sometimes, you throw out upsmashes and bairs (on edgeguards) that would've hit if you waited a tad bit longer to confirm your hit
dash dancing and then randomly upsmashing almost never works, and i'd imagine that armada with his crazy reaction times can shield it on command
you try to mix up your recovery a lot, which is good, but it seems like you go for almost too many angles sometimes. mixing it up like that is nice, but when you do something dangerous to try to trick your opponent it's almost not worth it. the risk/reward is too high
other than that you played the 2nd match really, really well
it does look like you got mad nervous though lol, that looked like the biggest issue. in that respect, i think you have to remember to be aggressive sometimes, even when you're nervous, and to take the opportunities when they come up instead of rolling away or jumping back.
once thing i noticed was that when you got nervous (3rd stock coming down from the platform, right? lol) it looked like your approaches took a turn for the worse. you ended up jumping into a bunch of moves. also, it could have been armada responding to the pressure and starting to play better, but it's still something to think about. you got caught with a lot of float back fairs.
it seems like you tried to run away a lot, especially on stock #2, but armada always had a move for you to run into, and he predicted your double jumps really well. idk, my theory on camping is that it isn't really that good, but the key to it relies in winning all the exchanges. you didn't camp the first part of that match and you were ****** **** =\, plus if you get nervous and try to focus on camping then it's a quick ticket to rapeville IMO. jman, for example, is really good at it because he can shoot his lasers really fast and present them as the problem. when the opponent focuses on this, he'll just hit them with a super-fast nair and keep shooting again to get them frustrated. in this case, armada beat you in all the exchanges. i want to say just bair more, when you're playing the double jump game and peach is in the air, but obviously it's not that simple.
you respond exceptionally well to downsmash, though
fulljump away/roll away are always what i tell myself to do, then i find myself spot dodging like a noob and getting hit haha.
good stuff
this is basically everything that came into my head while i was watching that set
feel free to take whatever you want and leave the rest, hopefully there's something you can gleam from my philosophy here. if i'm telling you things you already know, don't take it personal
peace!
edit:
and playing high sucks
the only thing it's good for is making you more focused,
which doesn't even matter if you're too high to execute lol
Aggro is the way to go, but when I'm nervous I revert to defense mode because I'm afraid I'll screw up and die in close range w/ Peach. blah I have to get better. Thanks for everything guys.
frame question
when you shine, are there additional frames if you shine -> turnaround then jc? if so how many
when you hit a shield with shine, how many frames of hitlag are there?
when you shine, are there additional frames if you shine -> turnaround then jc? if so how many
when you hit a shield with shine, how many frames of hitlag are there?
xXx-NoobKing-xXx
Smash Hero
Random **** but i finally gave in to using fox against sheik. ****s too good. XD
mastermoo420
Smash Ace
- Joined
- Jan 15, 2010
- Messages
- 726
When you JC shine, should you use X/Y or movement stick thang?
And for waveshines, should you shine + one WD OR shine + multiple, shorter WDs?
And for waveshines, should you shine + one WD OR shine + multiple, shorter WDs?
`DNS`
Smash Lord
i think shine turnaround takes like 2-3 frames.. same with the hitlag on shield (maybe less)
@mastermoo: when i jc shine i usually use x or y.. also do only 1 wd, after that you can just dash it's faster
unknown522
Some guy
mastermoo420
Smash Ace
- Joined
- Jan 15, 2010
- Messages
- 726
OHHHH I see. Whenever I don't hit someone, using the stick makes it so much faster, but when I do hit someone, it's the same thing. :3 As for the waveshining, that makes sense. No wonder people could do it so well and stuff. >_> Anyways, thanks for the tips. :D
Scidadle
Smash Champion
Lol it's cool seeing unknown in the fox boards and the doc boards since I play both chars xD
@trolling
Y'all don't know bout C@sh mooney
@trolling
Y'all don't know bout C@sh mooney
Scidadle
Smash Champion
Ah yes, you would know you're from Germany xD
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
How do I get grabs on Fox as Fox? I suck.
Silent Wolf
...
knock them down with shine
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Yea that's really good. One thing I need to start doing is running up and shielding when they're on the ground. Then if they do a get-up attack I shield grab it, and if they stand up normally I grab after the spotdodge.
The Mighty Kiwi
Smash Cadet
Can someone tell me how to do the short-hop double blaster?
Silent Wolf
...
you just have to do it fast. if its too hard with x/y try using the control stick. you have to flick it up to short hop, its easier if you do a shine first, for me at least.
The Mighty Kiwi
Smash Cadet
Okay thanks
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Shine turn ledgehop nair, like at 2:14 and 2:18. Is it any good?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQSrxPYft7o#t=02m14s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQSrxPYft7o#t=02m14s
iamthemicrowave
Smash Master
i think its good to go for a grab after an aerial -> shine in fox dittos. people always expect the grab after aerials and shine after. this is very fast and usually works.
i think its better to wait for them to shine, shine has less range than nair and is shorter. they might get lazy and not retreat optimally after the shine, and if you are prepared you can run in and grab. also if you dash dance they might freeze up and try and shine in place to get you
i think its better to wait for them to shine, shine has less range than nair and is shorter. they might get lazy and not retreat optimally after the shine, and if you are prepared you can run in and grab. also if you dash dance they might freeze up and try and shine in place to get you
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
I'm gonna start doing aerial -> shinegrab more. I'm also gonna try to tomahawk more.
It's hard to grab Fox or Falco on reaction when they tech in place. I get sidestep -> shined so much.
Instead of just waiting for the spotdodge and grabbing, which is also prone to mistimings, I wonder if you could just SH a non-fastfallen dair to catch them either before or after the invincibility frames and then net the grab that way.
It's hard to grab Fox or Falco on reaction when they tech in place. I get sidestep -> shined so much.
Instead of just waiting for the spotdodge and grabbing, which is also prone to mistimings, I wonder if you could just SH a non-fastfallen dair to catch them either before or after the invincibility frames and then net the grab that way.
`DNS`
Smash Lord
I say bair is better
Dair resets if they don't tech, and if they do you can prolly get drill->grab
if you time it good it could work against spotdodges
hmm
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Эикельманн [РУС]
Banned via Administration
Fox players have too much useful information.
Be more like Ganondorf players. Just play your ****ing character.
Be more like Ganondorf players. Just play your ****ing character.
I hear that guy is a total scrub.Haha cash mooney is too pro at trolling