RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
ahh. poor peterx.
Also, I just grabbed an opponent Fox off of the ground as Marth.
As in, dthrow -> no tech -> dash grab. Try it, it works. ****ing weird....
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Also, I just grabbed an opponent Fox off of the ground as Marth.
As in, dthrow -> no tech -> dash grab. Try it, it works. ****ing weird....
Fox is stupid.
Yo wth do you do against a good samus. I notices alot of things i do dont work well against samus such as up throw u-air or shine spiking is hard to pull or and she is heavy as hell so whats should i do go nair shine crazy???
Fortress | Sveet
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don't nair, instead use dair. she can't CC it.
if you uthrow, it doesn't combo, but you can still punish her.
If she nairs, your uair will beat it (if spaced correctly)
If she bombs you can chase her whichever way she DIs and uair her, but if you uair right away you get hit.
If she jumps, you have to follow her DI and punish.
other than that, pull hit and runs (don't try to combo) and try to cover her recovery options (she has a LOT)
if you uthrow, it doesn't combo, but you can still punish her.
If she nairs, your uair will beat it (if spaced correctly)
If she bombs you can chase her whichever way she DIs and uair her, but if you uair right away you get hit.
If she jumps, you have to follow her DI and punish.
other than that, pull hit and runs (don't try to combo) and try to cover her recovery options (she has a LOT)
dair waveshine upsmash
or just dair upsmash
or just dair upsmash
CanISmash
Smash Lord
ahhh thanks for the tip on samus bomb bs... tend to have trouble punishing it.
that an ic blizzard so anyone wanna take that one on?
that an ic blizzard so anyone wanna take that one on?
Fortress | Sveet
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blizzard is laggy, punish it at the end.
you can reflect it back, but i'm not sure if thats useful lol
you can reflect it back, but i'm not sure if thats useful lol
it has really ****ty range :/
just wait for it.
just wait for it.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
fox ics is gay imo i play falcon against that ****
Stratford
Smash Champion
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raynex, please thoroughly explain how grabbing from the ground works
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I tried ~15 times at different timings during the bounce. I then proceeded to randomly do it to see if I got lucky.
No cigar.
could someone give me a vid or a gif with the frame by frame (if you're magus )
No cigar.
could someone give me a vid or a gif with the frame by frame (if you're magus )
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Raynex posting:
If you're talking about the Fox one, its in my vid.
I tried it just a minute ago as Marth vs. Fox, and its alot easier with fthrow. Fthrow and JC grab the missed tech. It'll take you awhile but trust me its possible.
edit: I meant I tried it AS Marth vs. Fox.
If you're talking about the Fox one, its in my vid.
I tried it just a minute ago as Marth vs. Fox, and its alot easier with fthrow. Fthrow and JC grab the missed tech. It'll take you awhile but trust me its possible.
edit: I meant I tried it AS Marth vs. Fox.
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do they have to DI in?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Raynex posting:
No, I'm pretty sure they don't. Every time I've done it has been on lvl 1 cpus with neutral/away d.i. or humans with away d.i.
From what I've experienced, the timing is really, really strict. There is a certain part of the bounce where you can scoop him up. But grabbing consistently at that precise moment? I get it approximately 2 out of the 10 times I try it.
I know its not that useful, but man this game's physic engine ****s with my head sometimes. Imagine Sheik dthrow, WD back and boost/jc/dash grab covering both the neutral tech and no tech options.
No, I'm pretty sure they don't. Every time I've done it has been on lvl 1 cpus with neutral/away d.i. or humans with away d.i.
From what I've experienced, the timing is really, really strict. There is a certain part of the bounce where you can scoop him up. But grabbing consistently at that precise moment? I get it approximately 2 out of the 10 times I try it.
I know its not that useful, but man this game's physic engine ****s with my head sometimes. Imagine Sheik dthrow, WD back and boost/jc/dash grab covering both the neutral tech and no tech options.
1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey
Smash Cadet
that's sounds gross lol
You know how you have to aerial > shine so a spacie can't tech it for a thunders combo or whatever?
Well does uthrow > shine work when you hit them with the top of your shine? Or is it just me bad tech timing?
You know how you have to aerial > shine so a spacie can't tech it for a thunders combo or whatever?
Well does uthrow > shine work when you hit them with the top of your shine? Or is it just me bad tech timing?
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they can tech either.
both sets up a tech chase with high(er) probability of a missed tech though.
both sets up a tech chase with high(er) probability of a missed tech though.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
If you hit them with the top of your shine you can just usmash.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Pretty sure shine is always techable for characters who get knocked down by the shine. Just isn't something people can really do intentionally.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
people do intentionally tech the shine but nobody is good enough at it where it's like oshojkashdsdhjgd wtf
so basically assume they'll miss the tech, be ready if they don't because they'll almost always tech towards you and from shine momentum they barely roll forwards so if you waveshine jab the jab should catch them then you can shine again or grab or w/e
so basically assume they'll miss the tech, be ready if they don't because they'll almost always tech towards you and from shine momentum they barely roll forwards so if you waveshine jab the jab should catch them then you can shine again or grab or w/e
1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey
Smash Cadet
Oh what?!
Good to know. I always thought drill > shine > jab was always legit.
Thanks for the clearup
Good to know. I always thought drill > shine > jab was always legit.
Thanks for the clearup
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Keep in mind that since most people tend to hit L all the way during their SHFFLs, you can count on plenty of accidental techs.
But yes, if they do tech, like Tomacawk said, it's usually in a really stupid direction (read: inwards.) Unless they teched on purpose and know what they're doing, in that case, you're in trouble.
But yes, if they do tech, like Tomacawk said, it's usually in a really stupid direction (read: inwards.) Unless they teched on purpose and know what they're doing, in that case, you're in trouble.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
if they're good enough to tech a shine AWAY from you then you probably can't beat them lol
that's some top level ****
that's some top level ****
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
this
KirbyKaze techs my uthrow shines almost every time I attempt them in Fox dittos. The random shines here and there are pretty hard to see coming, but the aerial / uthrow shines are really telegraphed.
(and yeah assume they'll miss the tech. Even if they do and you jab, Fox should be able to use his blistering speed to adjust to the situation and do something anyways.)
Teching a shine away is actually pretty bad. Most people will be WDing in that direction anyways, trying to land a jab or something - so they're right in front of you for the follow-up. I've seen it happen alot. Teching in place or towards definitely mixes **** up though.
aerial shine isn't as bad
i just press l basically right after i get hit with an aerial.
i just press l basically right after i get hit with an aerial.
Lovage
Smash Hero
run off of the top platform of dreamland onto one of the side platforms. do a non-fastfalled nair and land on the side platform. this is a good way to practice getting the most distance out of your nairs
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Usually I miss the tech like 3/5 times, but I always DI the thunders. Although, against certain foxes, I end up SDI their usmash instead.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
I only have to do 1.
1 really long sexy *** wd from one side to the other. Advanced techs son.
1 really long sexy *** wd from one side to the other. Advanced techs son.
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if i put moonwalks in between, 4. get raeped.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
I can moonwalk across FD and land on the ledge or further in 5 moonwalks, either direction with falcon
get at me
get at me
voorhese
Smash Master
i can get to the middle of FD with one w/ ganon son.... SUPA GANON MOONWALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tomacawk
Smash Master
silly voorhese, old manondorf cannot moonwalk so far
by the way I've been thinking about how to get around marth's counter on mozilla near the ledge
if you DI away from the counter and you aren't a lowish percent, can you get far enough away to dj backwards and side b?
or should you just shine stall and try to get around him?
because I've never even tried to DI AWAY from the counter, I always try to ledge tech it (and have succeeded like three times in my life)
by the way I've been thinking about how to get around marth's counter on mozilla near the ledge
if you DI away from the counter and you aren't a lowish percent, can you get far enough away to dj backwards and side b?
or should you just shine stall and try to get around him?
because I've never even tried to DI AWAY from the counter, I always try to ledge tech it (and have succeeded like three times in my life)
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luke, you lose your jump when you sideb or upb.
your best bet around counter is to just tech it or sweetspot. otherwise youre dead.
your best bet around counter is to just tech it or sweetspot. otherwise youre dead.
voorhese
Smash Master
Tomacawk
Smash Master
omfg LOL what a newby thing for me to forget
well, I still think it might throw off their ****
well, I still think it might throw off their ****
Flamin Roy
Smash Ace
also if you want to see a ganon moonwalk play spidersense amazing ganon player for sfl
spidersense is ridiculously stupidly technical with ganon.