Don't Approach: Melee's Flaw Dissected

[Oracle]

Mow is saying that if your teacher is always better than you are, then your ceiling is only as high as your teacher's. at some point on the road to greatness, you have to become better than your teacher.

 

[Niko45]

Mow, teach me how to talk out of my ***!

 

[Bones0]

Mow is saying that if your teacher is always better than you are, then your ceiling is only as high as your teacher's. at some point on the road to greatness, you have to become better than your teacher.

It's under the assumption that the student's personal best exceeds the teacher's. Obviously you can never be THE best if your teacher is always better, but you are going to reach your full potential faster with a teacher that is better than your full potential compared to a teacher who you will eventually surpass.

 

[Deleted member]

Mow, teach me how to talk out of my ***!

that part is easy. play the game for long enough and you'll start to see that there isn't an answer to everything, and then you point it out and have a lot of people get mad at you like kage is mad at me that camping exists. then when you try to justify it, you're talking out of your ***.

anyone who is seriously teaching this game has more or less given up on personal greatness. a student not passing the teacher in talent is pathetic. most of the path to greatness is traveled alone.

 

[gm jack]

A good teacher should show you how to learn things for yourself and put you on the right track. It's easily possible to become better than your teacher, and the teacher to still be good.

 

[TSM ZeRo]

A very in-depth and interesting read. I agree with you, playing defensively is what wins tournaments. The game itself is programmed to reward the players who play a defensive playstyle, rather than an aggresive playstyle.

Thanks!

 

[Divinokage]

I actually lolled at that.. omg Mow. Good times.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Camping ruins the community and is frowned upon.. so **** that **** with your BS.

Should a woman change herself to please a husband or should the husband change his attitude about his wife?

 

[ShroudedOne]

I'm not sure that that's a good example....but I see what you're getting at, I think. Yes, actually, that kind of works. We should try to stay open-minded, instead of forcing our wives to change.

Who knows, maybe the kitchen isn't the best for them, after all?

 

[Mokumo]

I don't know about THAT

 

[Strong Badam]

Should a woman change herself to please a husband or should the husband change his attitude about his wife?

That's a really bad example.

 

[Bones0]

Should the wife change or should the husband change? Wow, if that isn't proof of sexism, I don't know what is.

Oh, OF COURSE the guy is always at fault in that scenario. There's never been a wife who was a complete ***** despite her husband being nice and supportive.

 

[Battlecow]

I sense relationship salt.

No johns, bro.

 

[crush]

Yeah wives need to be more aggressive. All they do is camp in the kitchen.

 

[crush]

The game itself is programmed to reward the players who play a defensive playstyle, rather than an aggresive playstyle.

Thanks!

Yeah I think the programmers should switch it up every once in a while, to make offense better.

Maybe once every few days or so.

And then for rewards there could maybe be trophies, or even master balls.

 

[Deleted member]

Should a woman change herself to please a husband or should the husband change his attitude about his wife?

lmAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

 

[Jonas]

Camping ruins the community and is frowned upon.. so **** that **** with your BS.

I agree 100%

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

Camping matches are fun to watch

 

[Bones0]

I sense relationship salt.

No johns, bro.

No, I just hate double standards. >_>

 

[Jonas]

Male sexism is not ok

Female sexism is
because we're tough and we can just ignore it

 

[Pimpfish]

Male sexism is not ok

Female sexism is
because we're tough and we can just ignore it

female sexism is ok because we can get laid afterwards.

 

[Divinokage]

A girl trying to hit on a guy on national television is ok. A guy doing that on a girl will go to jail... GG. Now stfu. =)

 

[bossa nova ♪]

if i could close this thread












i wouldn't

 

[BigD!!!]

za'atar do you live in chile or north carolina?

 

[Strife]

Should the wife change or should the husband change? Wow, if that isn't proof of sexism, I don't know what is.

Oh, OF COURSE the guy is always at fault in that scenario. There's never been a wife who was a complete ***** despite her husband being nice and supportive.

Yeah Society's views on how relationships between men and women should be have changed for the worst.

It's bull****, but I hope people aren't only pointing this out when they're on the internet. People(men) seem to be afraid/ashamed to talk about this in person and I find that so dumb.

 

[Divinokage]

Would you be able to downtalk your loved one even if there was a problem?

 

[Strife]

Would you be able to downtalk your loved one even if there was a problem?

If there is a problem inthe relationship with the girl I love could I tell her? **** yeah!

You say it as if it is so difficult. Talking to girls about their problems really isn't so hard. Even if they don't react well to criticism it doesn't take any great amount of courage to address a problem in any relationship.

 

[Prince_Abu]

stop talking about relationships im here to talk about smashHHHH

 

[Divinokage]

If there is a problem inthe relationship with the girl I love could I tell her? **** yeah!

You say it as if it is so difficult. Talking to girls about their problems really isn't so hard. Even if they don't react well to criticism it doesn't take any great amount of courage to address a problem in any relationship.

I'm talking about to someone else or publicly.

 

[Pink Reaper]

I wish people would stop quoting Kage, it eliminates the entire purpose of me putting him on my ignore list.

 

[Divinokage]

... really now?

 

[EpixAura]

Someone's probably already mention this, but you also have to consider that the reward form approaching successfully is often greater than the rewarding from preventing an approach.
Suppose X character approaches using move M. If move M lands successfully, it can start a fairly lengthy combo.
Should character Y prevent X's approach, he may not have the options to capitalize on this.

Of course for most characters, it's easy to stop most approaches, but if the opponent gets one successful approach that leads to a combo, it's even again.

Of course, I really do fail at Melee, so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about. I've tried to base it more on what I've seen than on personal experience, though.

 

[Dulren]

My own random, worthless opinion on this whole topic:


Yeah, "camping"/playing "Defensively"/never approaching is straight up *** and DEFINITELY isn't entertaining.

Yet, so long as we play this game for money (or anything else that creates a large incentive to win!), it's absolutely necessary in competitive play - and to a very large extent. The plain fact is that it's rarely safe to approach (with the exception of very few characters) and "baiting"/punishing thrown out frames is highly effective and considerably safer in melee.

Love it or hate it, i'd expect to see a trend towards minimalism and defense in smash's future.

 

[bossa nova ♪]

za'atar do you live in chile or north carolina?

i was born in chile and am chilean, but yeah i go to school at unc-ch.

 

[Bones0]

Ron is one of my favorite posters and has the sexiest style with Falco. :D

 

[BigD!!!]

ah, im living in chile so was wondering why i hadnt met a chilean who posted over 2k times

 

[Mew2King]

If anyone here wants a buddy pass to get to apex for like half-price, leave me a message in my inbox.

it's most useful (by far) to out of country people, so if you don't live in USA, then message me if you are interested don't post here.

 

[bossa nova ♪]

Ron is one of my favorite posters and has the sexiest style with Falco. :D

wtf, how do you know about lombardi?

someone must be putting you up to this, i'm just a scrub.


@BigD: have you played anyone interesting?

 

[ph00tbag]

anyone who is seriously teaching this game has more or less given up on personal greatness. a student not passing the teacher in talent is pathetic. most of the path to greatness is traveled alone.

Quoting this to emphasize it.

 

[Divinokage]

Quoting this to emphasize it.

While that may be true, I still think that's being a huge ***** in life. lol.