TresChikon
Smash Lord
Yeah one button WD OoS just takes more twitchy movements and you have to time it better.
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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Desh
Smash Ace
You dont need to jump.
If you hold r/l slightly .(Not light sheild, but you can do normal sheild without pressing the trigger down all the way)
You can just jump and then press it down completely to do the wave dash =/
so its like
semi pressed shield trigger >jump> push trigger fully down to air dodge from the jump.
You dont need to press the trigger> jump> press it again. but it also works.
If you hold r/l slightly .(Not light sheild, but you can do normal sheild without pressing the trigger down all the way)
You can just jump and then press it down completely to do the wave dash =/
so its like
semi pressed shield trigger >jump> push trigger fully down to air dodge from the jump.
You dont need to press the trigger> jump> press it again. but it also works.
Yeah.
I'd honestly imagine the only character that REALLY needs to worry about it is ICs, for their light/full shield.
I'd honestly imagine the only character that REALLY needs to worry about it is ICs, for their light/full shield.
Desh
Smash Ace
Word word.
Man I need to install AIM on this computer.Got a new one and I've been too lazy to install all my crap -_-
Man I need to install AIM on this computer.Got a new one and I've been too lazy to install all my crap -_-
meebo.com is your friend.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
wd oos with one button is harder than two and since i only use L i can give a little advice:
its entirely mental, dont think of it as "i have to let the l button go, then wavedash" becuase that makes it harder imo
what i findreally easy is to remember that the jump will cancel the shield and the airdode will register teh wavedash. I know i just repeated waht everyone knows lol but really its entirely mental, if you think of it as "let go of l, jump, airdodge" its really hard and im sure thats what messes people up
if you think of it as "jump, let go of L, hit L again" its much easier. I dunno thats just something i;ve found although it may SEEM obviousto people who have been doing it forever.
its entirely mental, dont think of it as "i have to let the l button go, then wavedash" becuase that makes it harder imo
what i findreally easy is to remember that the jump will cancel the shield and the airdode will register teh wavedash. I know i just repeated waht everyone knows lol but really its entirely mental, if you think of it as "let go of l, jump, airdodge" its really hard and im sure thats what messes people up
if you think of it as "jump, let go of L, hit L again" its much easier. I dunno thats just something i;ve found although it may SEEM obviousto people who have been doing it forever.
Desh
Smash Ace
I swear meebo is like....some kids fruit drink O_o..
oh man my bad, I completely overlooked this.
Yeah, I use nothing but R myself.
I will say that honestly, it comes down to whatever is comfortable for you. I know people who do all sorts of crazy stuff for WD OoS (just like everything else).
It really is "a mental thing" i guess. It just takes a lil work. Practice just jumping out of shield and atleast airdodging in a direction, then slowly work so that you re-press r faster after you jump.
That's about the best advice I could tell you for how you wanna go about it.
And since we're talkin about "dumb ways to WD OoS"
how bout, jump OoS w/ c-stick + r?
Desh
Smash Ace
Oh ****.
Im trying that.
XD
You would think jumping oos with cstick would give some sort of perk. Just like rolling w/ cstick =/
Im trying that.
XD
You would think jumping oos with cstick would give some sort of perk. Just like rolling w/ cstick =/
ArcNatural
Banned ( ∫x, δx Points)
It does, I'm pretty sure it buffers so you jump out the first possible frame, plus if you double tap it you will sh up and immediately upair (if your not still in stun).
Even if it doesn't buffer you can still tap it twice really fast OoS to upair that way you never accidentally shieldstun grab instead of an upair again.
Desh
Smash Ace
O_o...it does buffer? Win! I wasn't sure if it did. Thank you =] .
This is usefull for my spacies tooooo =3 ^_^
This is usefull for my spacies tooooo =3 ^_^
And since we're talkin about "dumb ways to WD OoS"
how bout, jump OoS w/ c-stick + r?
wd oos with cstick/r and r again
otg
Smash Master
So yeah, I thought I had some sexy vids recorded of myself tonight vs. Vanz's jiggs.. turns out we weren't recording, so next time we'll make it happen. I promise
TresChikon
Smash Lord
If you do it really REALLY FAST, you'll upsmash OoS
Gea
Smash Master
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SMASHMAC.
Wherever you are.
Wherever you are.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
Yeah, I tried wavedashing OoS with just "R" first, but that's actually felt harder in my opinion. I've been practicing the technique for about a week now and realize that it is a mental thing. I find it much easier to accomplish when I shield with "L". As long as I jump to cancel shield, the rest falls into to place. I'm sure eventually it will be as easy as pressing one button!
Desh
Smash Ace
its $macs birthday?
SAY WORD >=O
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
SAY WORD >=O
HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
anthony000
Smash Journeyman
Falco's entire offensive attack is one of the most ridiculous things in this game.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
That was random, but doc is sexier with his sexy sex kick.
I f***ing hate doc's nair. I dont know why people think having a nair that gets stronger is a good thing. Mario's nair is so much better.
I mean, maybe if Doc's nair was like links in that IT STAYS OUT FOR 7 YEARS it would work out, but it doesnt. So most of the time when you hit people with it you're going to hit them with the weak part of it. Unless you just love jumping around with your foot out.
I mean, maybe if Doc's nair was like links in that IT STAYS OUT FOR 7 YEARS it would work out, but it doesnt. So most of the time when you hit people with it you're going to hit them with the weak part of it. Unless you just love jumping around with your foot out.
otg
Smash Master
No argument that Mario's nair is better, but if you can connect the strong part of the nair its too brutal.
If ganon can land his uptilt it's brutal.
Desh
Smash Ace
Lol, its just harder to land the endin part of the nair, because it means you need to do the nair days before you're anywhere near what you're trying to hit. So its pretty easy to avoid/sheild grab.
Although i dont the nair. its okay for edge gaurding, but bair/cape is still a better solution XD.
Weak nair > fair
falcon comboz
Lmao
Although i dont the nair. its okay for edge gaurding, but bair/cape is still a better solution XD.
Weak nair > fair
falcon comboz
Lmao
otg
Smash Master
These two reasons are why I like Nair. I pretty much only use it for edgeguarding, and the occasional out of throw option, it connects into Fair which is sexy. Umm, but yeah I don't think comparing it to ganon's utilt is fair because you can be mobile as you Nair or like tech chase with it so it hits when its stronger. Thats somethin Ganon's Utilt can't say.
isthattim?
Smash Ace
i like weak nair, it's easier to nair>dsmash or uptilt imo
also, got the marinated **** from a falco last night, ridiculous ridiculous combos
and that was a PAL falco, how the **** does shroomed go so well against falco?
also, got the marinated **** from a falco last night, ridiculous ridiculous combos
and that was a PAL falco, how the **** does shroomed go so well against falco?
JPOBS
Smash Hero
it makes shine out of shield with fox so easy its ridiculous
edit: weak nair > jab > dsmash/grab
***** face. probably my favorite mini "combo" espcialy vs floaties
Shroomed
Smash Master
solution to falco:
dont challenge ANYTHING he does unless ur directly above him with dair
everything he does, destroys w/o you wanna do
if im ever able to consistently time shine to clash with every other move, ima switch mains to fox/falco
it pisses me off when ppl CC my jab, shine, and my dsmash clinks with it
dont challenge ANYTHING he does unless ur directly above him with dair
everything he does, destroys w/o you wanna do
if im ever able to consistently time shine to clash with every other move, ima switch mains to fox/falco
it pisses me off when ppl CC my jab, shine, and my dsmash clinks with it
Ok, I know you dont really care about the technical aspect of it, but a shine doesnt "clank" with an attack like that.
Shine has invincibility on frame one. That's different than it literally clanking with an attack. (Cause think, clanking with marth's f.smash is different than him having to go through the whole animation cause he hit invinc)
Funny thing I just noticed while looking at frame data (and I dont think this is accurate)
According to this, Fox doesnt have inv on his shine, falco does.
Wouldnt exactly be surprised if that were the case, since every move in the game has different properties among clones anyways. But hmm.
Shine has invincibility on frame one. That's different than it literally clanking with an attack. (Cause think, clanking with marth's f.smash is different than him having to go through the whole animation cause he hit invinc)
Funny thing I just noticed while looking at frame data (and I dont think this is accurate)
According to this, Fox doesnt have inv on his shine, falco does.
Wouldnt exactly be surprised if that were the case, since every move in the game has different properties among clones anyways. But hmm.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
fox has invincibility clearly .___.
yeaaaaaaah.
ungodly reason, fox's shine didnt have inv.
I think it's kinda weird that that line is missing. Like I said, I honestly WOULDNT be surprised if, for somesuperdoodleman Fox data said:
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
I randomly do stupid crap like that.
how bout, jump OoS w/ c-stick + r?
But I never thought to use double-tap up on c-stick for instant uair outta shield.
That ****'s hot.
anthony000
Smash Journeyman
So I saw this on the Samus boards and they had a pretty interesting discussion because of it. What does everyone consider Doc's safest move, and his most rewarding move? Here's the link to the thread I'm referencing for this topic: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=242552
Safest: utilt or dsmash
Most rewarding: grab or cape
Safest: utilt or dsmash
Most rewarding: grab or cape
otg
Smash Master
Doc's probably only safe move is like Ftilt... and probably not even that. It might be bair because you can WL away, Dair falls into that category as well.
As for the most rewarding moves, that def goes to Fsmash, high risk high reward.
As for the most rewarding moves, that def goes to Fsmash, high risk high reward.
I was playing my brothers Capfal last night, and he was recovering, sort of wall hugging, and I was standing on the edge and accidentally used F-Smash while he was only, like, halfway up Dreamland's wall, and it still hit him. It was lol-tastic.
otg
Smash Master
Thats cause Falcon's head pops up as he upB's, I don't think its possible for him to sweetspot, so it doesn't surprise me that he would get hit by it.
InterimOfZeal
Smash Champion
safest move is pills
most rewarding is grab
most utilitarian is either bair, nair, or utilt/smash
coolest is downb
capiest is the cape
most likely to succeed in life is fsmash
most likely to get married is dair
most rewarding is grab
most utilitarian is either bair, nair, or utilt/smash
coolest is downb
capiest is the cape
most likely to succeed in life is fsmash
most likely to get married is dair