HiIH
Smash Lord
Stos don't worry about it, you can always fulljump Nairs, and it won't matter if you get crouch cancelled! <.<; Just don't land.
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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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Sago
Smash Lord
spaceing matters because it determines if you will be able to punish or not. Fair is quick
basically
though if im a doc player i would be confused as **** on how to take on a Link that just keeps FJ naring to like Dj escape, attack, projectile or no DJ at all.
that being said im starting to pick up doc too.
i find him really fun, like his wavelands and wavedashes is just soo smooth =D
once i get docs matches recorded im going to post them up.
and be prepare this weekend im going to **** desh with my doc LOL.
but yeah like around 06 i did second him lol but now im just all Link =D
edit: also guys can any of you make this tourney?
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=214592
yeah, ccing shouldnt really change that much. Most docs dont do it, and even then, it requires doc to be on the ground.
... *shrug* i dunno, i dont think it'd be that bad.
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You send me a plane ticket, and whatever else i need to get up to canada, and i'll see what I can do.
@ih: WTF ARE YOU DOING? YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR MISSION IS. THE INTERNET NEEDS MORE FAILURES, UPLOAD THEM!! o_o XD jk, thanks for actually putting those up, though. It's hilarious.
... *shrug* i dunno, i dont think it'd be that bad.
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You send me a plane ticket, and whatever else i need to get up to canada, and i'll see what I can do.
@ih: WTF ARE YOU DOING? YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR MISSION IS. THE INTERNET NEEDS MORE FAILURES, UPLOAD THEM!! o_o XD jk, thanks for actually putting those up, though. It's hilarious.
NES n00b
Smash Master
Doc beats link that is for sure and he can CC everything but just space.....and camp....and be gay (with Link LAWL LAWL LAWL).
yeah, desh hit me up on aim asking me about that.
I've never played a rapetier link or anything, so i honestly wouldnt know, but I could see link having a slight advantage over doc, i guess? I dunno?
Maybe?
Possibly?
Quesitonably?
....*shrug*
I've never played a rapetier link or anything, so i honestly wouldnt know, but I could see link having a slight advantage over doc, i guess? I dunno?
Maybe?
Possibly?
Quesitonably?
....*shrug*
NES n00b
Smash Master
WTF is a rapetier Link? lolol I think Doc has the slight advantage....still.
Roman.
Smash Champion
i think doc and link are 50-50
NOBODY'S TALKING TO YOU, YOU WASHED-UP-FORMER-GREATEST-DOC-IN-THE-NATION, YOU!
Why dont you and your team partner get ready for TO4 this wee~~~ OH THAT'S RIGHT, YOU DONT HAVE A ****ING TEAM PARTNER, NOW DO YOU?
YOU WAS TALKIN THAT GOOD **** A WEEK AGO, THEN YOU WENT AND GOT KICKED IN YO CHEST! YOU EAT A ****, *****! YOU EAT A ****!!
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Like i said, i REALLY dont know anything about playing good links. Im just playing theory fighter in my head. Theory fighter lies very hard.
dogy i want your babies.
speaking of TO4, Nes, can you record with Dogys doc. i just want to see how link players handle doc and docs handle link. im starting to think i should second doc again.
im lookin to go on a mission of playing some people of every character while im there at TO4, just to see what happens.
And if worse comes to worse, i'll just ask iori to play the half of the cast I cant find people for.
Hey, and i just realized nes noob can be my pichu! XD
And if worse comes to worse, i'll just ask iori to play the half of the cast I cant find people for.
Hey, and i just realized nes noob can be my pichu! XD
Desh
Smash Ace
dogy i'd be your pichu anyday ;]
no homo
no homo
SpruceTengu
Smash Journeyman
One of my crewmates is a pretty solid link; I find edgeguarding Link to be a bit of a pain in the balls. How exactly do you gimp through the Up-B? I can certainly drop in and intercept with Bairs beforehand if I get the opportunity, or ruin his attempts at grappling, but somehow I always manage to screw up dealing with the good ol' "SKRRAAAAH"...
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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With invincibility frames.
otg
Smash Master
Homies ova hoes
Do the homie
Do the homie
S.R. XXVII
Smash Ace
Stomp'em In Dah Nutz Ni99@!
otg
Smash Master
Stomp Em' Stomp Em' in da nutz
HiIH
Smash Lord
You can drop off the ledge and Bair, or Cape the Up+B. Don't worry about him turning around and grabbing the ledge. You should be Dsmashing him since the Cape sends him up.
<.<; I learned that against Samus, and had it used against me recently.
<.<; I learned that against Samus, and had it used against me recently.
reset invinsiblity frame, and then when you see him setting up for chain just drop off to dj bair.
for the scrah just cape it, even though its sweet spotted. Link will turn the other way and hes going to DI back to land, and when you see him DI'ing back you can get a Dsmash, Fsmash, Fair or Grab.
last year or couple years ago i made a thread in a link boards asking them how to deal with this kind of edge guard but only few posted, i was really sad afterward cause i didnt get any useful tips.
moreover, use pills. when you see them setting up for scrah throw some pills. pills are suppose to **** up links scrah sweetspot attemp. after the pill you can wavedash to the edge and just like drop off to bair or roll. though smart link players would just chain after getting hit with a pill and then like scrah up hugging the wall going for the sweet spot. but then, smart doc will just roll. if they dont sweet spot and they try landing near the edge, edge hop nair or bair will do the work.
drop off bair gimps. when Link goes for grapple sweetspot most link mains would air dodge to grapple, when he air dodges you can drop off dj bair and then recover and you can watch him fall. against Link scrah, just reset you invinsibility frames, if hes directly under you, you can just drop to bair. but yeah, it not that hard to edge guard link. just force him to land near the edge by resetting your invinsibility frames. just like grab him throw him off and like turn around wavedash to grab edge and like keep resetting it. the Link player would be like wtf am i suppose to do.
but yeah just keep playing him and try out some new stuff.
SpruceTengu
Smash Journeyman
I think I love you.
also, if they've chained and are coming back up, you can drop down with a nair, b-air, and jump-> up back to the ledge.
I see lots of ledgehopped b-airs, but people always forget that if you can ledgehop something, you can drop, use it, and recover safely. Gotta be more like shiek people ^_^
I see lots of ledgehopped b-airs, but people always forget that if you can ledgehop something, you can drop, use it, and recover safely. Gotta be more like shiek people ^_^
SpruceTengu
Smash Journeyman
Gah. Wow. That was remarkably helpful advice. (No offense S.R.) I think the frames were my basic issue; I was using the right approach but always getting caught up in the scrah (I love that it's called that). From the sounds of it a **** good doc is a horrible thing for link to deal with on the edge. Thiiiiis I must achieve. Anyway this is perfect, and I will indeed keep playing this kid--after all, I'm trying to pwn his Link bad enough that he stops playing him--he's my teams partner and teaming with a Link (his Link, anyway) has yet to be all that productive. He said he'd only switch if I could get some consistent four-stocks, and I'm already up to two/three... perhaps this will do it. : P Many thanks.
*nods* good info, good info. Thank you sir.
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On a completely different and offtopic note, quiznos' new lower prices are ****ing legit.
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And I think I might have found an easy way to hit "The Stupid Spot" from throw -> f.air in the shortest time possible.
... it's actually so easy, im probably going to get laughed at for not thinking about this already. I gotta mess around with it some more.
(with all this "knowledge" i tend to spew up here, you might be kinda surprised what kinda things i dont know. >.>)
And FYI, the "stupid spot" is what i call the "hardest" spot to f.air somebody from a throw, slightly behind doc.
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On a completely different and offtopic note, quiznos' new lower prices are ****ing legit.
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And I think I might have found an easy way to hit "The Stupid Spot" from throw -> f.air in the shortest time possible.
... it's actually so easy, im probably going to get laughed at for not thinking about this already. I gotta mess around with it some more.
(with all this "knowledge" i tend to spew up here, you might be kinda surprised what kinda things i dont know. >.>)
And FYI, the "stupid spot" is what i call the "hardest" spot to f.air somebody from a throw, slightly behind doc.
otg
Smash Master
SpruceTengu
Smash Journeyman
Ooooohhhhh.. the "stupid" spot.. Yeah, I've had some issues with that. I usually give up and try for a Bair at that point, but then unless I can follow up I've really lost a KO/combo..
otg
Smash Master
So yeah, lately I've been throwing out the cape every so often when I know what the opponent will attack me with. It's super risky but is can be incredibly helpful here and there, on top of adding an additional 12%. I ain't talking about throwing that **** OTG because thats just dumb as hell, instead I'm talking some SH cape, because you can WL out of it, increasing your mobility and most likely confusing the **** out of your opponent.
IE: You think Marth is going to Fsmash you as you are falling from a platform, so Cape his *** and WL in with a Dsmash. Pain.
IE: You think Marth is going to Fsmash you as you are falling from a platform, so Cape his *** and WL in with a Dsmash. Pain.
SpruceTengu
Smash Journeyman
THANK YOU.
I have been working on SH cape---> waveland ---> (what-have-you) forEVER and always been wondering why people never put it to use. It's become a pretty solid indicator of my style and I really like the mindgames it can carry. I've also noticed its easier to do longer, nastier wavelands out of it than other things; this could just be me, though..
maybe you cant perfect waveland from anything else?
As for cape dashing, as i call it, bob$ did it. >.>
Now, here's something that i've never seen anybody do; do you know that if you SH Cape, you can actually fit in a nair right before you hit the ground?
An idea i've had for a while that i keep forgetting to try (mainly because I forget if this would work in melee or in brawl if mario had doc's physics) is SH cape somebody's sheild, n.air -> grab.
I cant remember if caping a shield flips somebody around in melee or in brawl, and right now im too lazy to hook my cube up and turn on melee... or too lazy to take ToS2 out of my wii and put melee in.... yes, i have variations of my lazy.
As for cape dashing, as i call it, bob$ did it. >.>
Now, here's something that i've never seen anybody do; do you know that if you SH Cape, you can actually fit in a nair right before you hit the ground?
An idea i've had for a while that i keep forgetting to try (mainly because I forget if this would work in melee or in brawl if mario had doc's physics) is SH cape somebody's sheild, n.air -> grab.
I cant remember if caping a shield flips somebody around in melee or in brawl, and right now im too lazy to hook my cube up and turn on melee... or too lazy to take ToS2 out of my wii and put melee in.... yes, i have variations of my lazy.
Roman.
Smash Champion
you get teh flip in melee
otg
Smash Master
Nice.... interesting shield pressure lol.
i can never remember and i dont ever have the nerve to try it. XD
Roman.
Smash Champion
so does anyone know if doc's tornado has priority?
otg
Smash Master
oh speaking of tornado:
Bob$ -> Rising Tornado = win. Next time you catch someone in a Bob$, with the rising tornado, or hell, even try using it to recover back and see if you can hit them with it. lulz.
Bob$ -> Rising Tornado = win. Next time you catch someone in a Bob$, with the rising tornado, or hell, even try using it to recover back and see if you can hit them with it. lulz.
I discovered this playing computers like a week ago when i was thinking of ways of pressuring shields, and i was gonna try it when I had someone to play. I've never seen anyone do it either, and I thought i was the first to think of it, but you beat me to it.
It kind of reminds me of marths double fair, like there is a good amount of time between the cape and the nair, and i think some chars would be able to attack before the nair comes out. I was thinking that it would work, just because the cape would turn people around in their shields and that may confuse them.