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Q&A Doc General Discussion: Ask and ye shall receive ft. otg and Shroomed!
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anthony000
Smash Journeyman
Wow Dogy. Great song.
unknown522
Some guy
LOL lil jon.
Zero_Gamer
Smash Master
Hey Dogy, when I saw your matches at Aurburn you didn't use Nair, like, at all. Is it really that bad?
otg
Smash Master
Nair is good as an anti-air and it's cool when your opponent misses a tech after one for a free dsmash. Besides that, it's about bair.
@shroomed, no hate, I'm just not a fan of your guys styles. I think it's the Tri-state in me, I see you never throw pills and you nair-plane like its Fox, and well... that **** just don't work (at least not around here).
/im done ranting
Shroomed
Smash Master
Who do u lose to a lot in tristate?
otg
Smash Master
Everyone lol, I suck. All my sets are **** close tho, the only person who like flat out destroys me is Jesus.
Edit:
Actually no I take that back, I really only lose to the super **** people, I tend to beast on most of Tristate.
It's not bad at all, honestly. It's about how you use it.
I tend to think of n.air as wanting to jump over/past somebody and keep them from jumping out, seeing as you're going to hit high on their shield if they're there, so you can't REALLY continue pressure (or they shouldn't let you)
Not bad by any stretch, just more of a player-by-player kinda thing.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
otg
Smash Master
Which tristate sheiks? xyt/tec0? I've never played tec0's sheik, but xyt Ive *****.Even the Sheiks?
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Yea I was referring to Teczero, VaNz, R3no and Alukard. You know, the celebrities?
None of them actually main Sheik though.
You should play Plank and Tope down here in MD/VA.
None of them actually main Sheik though.
You should play Plank and Tope down here in MD/VA.
Tope tried to dupe my *** into a MM while he was here at TO5. I **** near wanted to punch him in his recently-beardless-face for it.
"N**** NA I DONT WANNA HAND YOU MONEY GO AWAY!"
"N**** NA I DONT WANNA HAND YOU MONEY GO AWAY!"
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Plank tried to con me into a money match too! He even gave me ten to one odds.
I wasn't fooled.
Silly Sheik players always out to get that payday.
I wasn't fooled.
Silly Sheik players always out to get that payday.
everytime i see a sheik mm somebody, i think about iori. Because that guy goes around MMing sheiks.
with m2.
and wins.
It's stupid.
with m2.
and wins.
It's stupid.
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
No, it's commendable.
Shroomed
Smash Master
i would've MM'd all those sheiks if i wasnt broke lol
you wont get better if you dont play ppl better than you
jus sayin
you wont get better if you dont play ppl better than you
jus sayin
ChivalRuse
Smash Hero
Tell HMW to start a good player fund which will allow you to money match all those Sheiks.
Shroomed
Smash Master
i would love that hahaTell HMW to start a good player fund which will allow you to money match all those Sheiks.
i cant wait to play shiz
ima show him some WC doc
I can't imagine that going too well cause I tend to think you play somewhat like $mac.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
ShizWiz?! That guy is too good. He commentates his on matches just like Mang0. And he does the whole "Imma staircase these lasers down the platforms while you're tryin' to recover". Sucks if you're in hitstun since you won't even have time to cape them away.
you could cape after you get hit by the first one if you have that much stun, or if they wanna try to shoot OVER you so you can't jump, you just tornado into the laser so it gives you a height boost.
wooooooooah black betty! AMBER LAMPS!
wooooooooah black betty! AMBER LAMPS!
Shroomed
Smash Master
so shiz plays something like chops?
not really, no. Not unless shiz went all lambchops'ie while in his smash retirement home. XD
imo, there's a reason why shiz picked up fox as a secondary and chops plays straight falco. It's got to do with the laser game + willingness to do it.
imo, there's a reason why shiz picked up fox as a secondary and chops plays straight falco. It's got to do with the laser game + willingness to do it.
VGmasta
Smash Lord
I was almost sure he picked Fox so he wouldn't get gimped as easily by that ridiculous HungryBox. Or at least that would've been a big part of the reason. *shrugs*
BTW, everyone in here should read Dogy's matchup thread. It's extremely helpful. I've picked up on so much that I hadn't thought of before. and I've only read through about 5 matchups so far.
he picked up fox years ago before hbox was really on FL's map.
Back when alot of falco players started 2ndarying fox. I tend to believe it's because they can't/don't like to play the jiggs/peach/samus matchup like they need to. Well, mostly jiggs/samus. Peach/Falco, from what I know/have-been-told isn't SO MUCH about the lasers as it is just not being next to the ****.
.. Well I guess that kinda does/really does apply to all 3 of them, but whatever. Needless to say, those are 3 characters that, by default, you can't run straight into. That's a losing fight/war.
Not unless you find one who doesn't know their matchup/sucks.
fear/respect the slash.
Back when alot of falco players started 2ndarying fox. I tend to believe it's because they can't/don't like to play the jiggs/peach/samus matchup like they need to. Well, mostly jiggs/samus. Peach/Falco, from what I know/have-been-told isn't SO MUCH about the lasers as it is just not being next to the ****.
.. Well I guess that kinda does/really does apply to all 3 of them, but whatever. Needless to say, those are 3 characters that, by default, you can't run straight into. That's a losing fight/war.
Not unless you find one who doesn't know their matchup/sucks.
fear/respect the slash.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
On DI away she can CG Marth to like 40 or something, I don't know how high but around that. Additionally, at about 35ish you can comfortably switch to Dash Attack on DI away and hit the Fair or possibly Uair --> follow (DI dependent).
On other DIs, she can U-tilt --> another move, and possibly follow. That also assumes they DI the U-tilt away, really far, and don't DI it up (which people often do). That also operates under the assumption that there are no platforms because she can do the platform waveland --> regrab on Marth kind of easily, and also react with FJ Uairs or cover 3/4 tech options with Dair depending on where you throw them under the platform.
On non-DI away she can also just FJ rising Uair at some percentage and get a bunch more stuff.
F-tilt blows. There's just better stuff. Sometimes it's good near the edge and other random stuff but 90% of the time there's better stuff.
Shroomed
Smash Master
KK, ur sig made me lol
that was hilarious
and i actually didnt know that =D
since doc cant be uthrow uaird, i never bothered to learn how to SDI it
that was hilarious
and i actually didnt know that =D
since doc cant be uthrow uaird, i never bothered to learn how to SDI it
Dynamism?
Smash Champion
Learning something every day is fuuuuun
On DI away, can you link a SH mid height Fair FF grab? I've done that quite often and it seems to work, but I don't think it's a "true" combo thing, people just get Fair'd out of their jump or don't jump after the Fair so I can grab.
Just curious what that's all about.
Nair works for me too actually...
This is from 0%>25% ish btw
Shroomed
Smash Master
wilkins
Smash Apprentice
I'm too lazy to log out, you know who this is, nurgle, bidoof, etc.
SH FF Fair regrab might work if they're not wanting to double jump back, which is common, I get it a lot, sometimes after U-tilt if they DI away but it's better to CG if you can. CG is completely 100% pure bacon and will always work so just do it, it's better.
CGing is always the best combo option because it will usually present you the same options you had before plus they've taken extra damage.
Dynamism?
Smash Champion
K cool thanks. I pretty much just wanted confirmation that it actually works/makes a bit of sense/nothing stupid is going on and that it was them not jumping.
Yeah, I've slowly been grabbing more and more it seems, eventually I'll have no more moves and just grab. LOL don't need anything else anyway.
Yeah, I've slowly been grabbing more and more it seems, eventually I'll have no more moves and just grab. LOL don't need anything else anyway.
... are you f***ers talking about marth in the doc general discussion?
wtf is th~~~ i don't even.
wtf is th~~~ i don't even.
wilkins
Smash Apprentice
We're talking about Marth vs Sheik.
anthony000
Smash Journeyman
wilkins your sig is pretty beast
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
it's pretty beast. Kirbykaze, Europhoria and I were at his place, but KK was posting.
Dynamism?
Smash Champion
This is such a ****ing mindgame...
KK is posting about KK in 3rd person about KK being the one that posted...is he posting?
East Coast Canada Too Good
Rappster
Smash Ace
if we suck at chingrabbing, what are some good moves out of grab?
against most characters (normal fallers) i've had success with dthrow->fsmash, or dthrow->dsmash. am i just getting lucky?
against most characters (normal fallers) i've had success with dthrow->fsmash, or dthrow->dsmash. am i just getting lucky?