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I also disagreei hope i get good at this game sometime soon
and otg, i dont approve of the EC > WC statement!
note how little I give a ****. Also, I just say that as a joke, that statement pretty much no longer applies in todays metagame.and otg, i dont approve of the EC > WC statement!
Yo what happened when Mango got back on the stage?you right, i betta!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAhQfVHaQtQ#t=120s
Thanks man, I'm glad you it it too. I'm workin' on it.your doc is sexy i see potential =D
Yeah, and I haven't seen any other Doc in Florida use this color, so I should be unique.Green=Best Doc Colour.
Dogy for prez!Yo what happened when Mango got back on the stage?
Looks like he roasted yo *** with the white-on-rice combo.
shutup .Yo what happened when Mango got back on the stage?
Looks like he roasted yo *** with the white-on-rice combo.
Wow, get ****ing stomped in the nutsYo what happened when Mango got back on the stage?
Looks like he roasted yo *** with the white-on-rice combo.
clearly black is the colour to use as it makes doc batman.Honestly Green is the only colour I don't like for Doc. I like Blue, and White alot now. Pink is what I usually use. Black I don't use, just because I don't. Whoooooo. Now if it was dark green....
i'd like to see you or dogy to do better against MangoWow, get ****ing stomped in the nuts
The day I have recorded vids against Mango recorded, you will be the first to see them.i'd like to see you or dogy to do better against Mango
Give em hell, boys.clearly black is the colour to use as it makes doc batman.
so, theres gonna be two doc's reppin the australian nationals tomorrow and theres a good chance we're gonna make it into brackets.
now would be a great time for someone to give an 80's style motivational speech plz.
I know I'd do better by the sheer fact of when I go to press the R button, I dont have to worry about my ****ing bowtie sticking out or anything crazy like that.i'd like to see you or dogy to do better against Mango
-Clears throat-
so, theres gonna be two doc's reppin the australian nationals tomorrow and theres a good chance we're gonna make it into brackets.
now would be a great time for someone to give an 80's style motivational speech plz.
Yeah youtube eats away at half of the frames of gameplay. Use tornado more? You mean to recover? That's a good tip. I gotta get into the habit of tornadoing earlier sometimes after being hit out.Youtube soooo lagggggeh
Also Ricky, use tornado moar
Yeah I could've used tornado by the ledge in a couple of situations, but I only do it if I expect them to get the ledge before I can Up-B at the ledge. I got edgehogged in a recent tournament two or three times because the opponent grabbed ledge from me by a couple of frames unexpectedly. I know vs. IShotLazer's Marth/Fox he got the ledge, but it was after I walljumped off of teching an attack and he unexpectedly stole the ledge before me by a couple of frames. Plus I don't get the PTP consistently either and I didn't want to risk losing a stock for fail PTPs.Yeah but even like, when they got the ledge tornado to stall/get some extra height it'll help.
That happens alot. It's called "Doc has a horrible recovery". If you have to up+b, you outta get punished regardless of what happens, unless opponents just dont grab the ledge. Them trying to sneak the ledge from you, although completely viable and usable, is mad greedy for what needs to be done to doc.Yeah I could've used tornado by the ledge in a couple of situations, but I only do it if I expect them to get the ledge before I can Up-B at the ledge. I got edgehogged in a recent tournament two or three times because the opponent grabbed ledge from me by a couple of frames unexpectedly. I know vs. IShotLazer's Marth/Fox he got the ledge, but it was after I walljumped off of teching an attack and he unexpectedly stole the ledge before me by a couple of frames. Plus I don't get the PTP consistently either and I didn't want to risk losing a stock for fail PTPs.
And versus Green Mario, I was scared to tornado stall close to ledge because he's fast and I figured I would be kissing a B-air from him by tornadoing to close. A lot of good Mario players ledgehop and regrab ledge to reset invincibilty frames so that they can get easier B-air edgeguards. So I was hoping to spike him with my Up-B. Instead, I think he was tricking me into UpB-ing early so that I would land on the stage for an easy punish (I remember getting Fsmashed and Dsmashed at Yoshi Story because of that).
*points up*But altogether, I tornado stall if I expect the opponent to ledge stall and then ledge roll an anticipated UpB before I tornado. I feel like it's kinda risky to challenge an opponent that is reseting invincibility frames on the ledge with a tornado because I've gotten punished for it way more than I've gotten rewarded for it in all of my experiences.
My thoughts exactly on Doc's recovery. Green Mario's too smart for that bull, lol.That happens alot. It's called "Doc has a horrible recovery". If you have to up+b, you outta get punished regardless of what happens, unless opponents just dont grab the ledge. Them trying to sneak the ledge from you, although completely viable and usable, is mad greedy for what needs to be done to doc.
Sorry you had to see it the hard way.
Probably. Green Mario knows how doc/mario's recovery works very well. Yeah, that's the kinda thing ANYBODY can do. Again, that's why I tell people "if you ever wanna edgeguard doc or mario, just grab the ledge" If you have to up+b at all (which you will, or it will be blatantly obvious), you're getting punished.
There's nothing you can really do to stop it but just work positioning and not get off the stage (literally, that's all you can really do about it).
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As for tornado stalling near a ledge? Yeeeeeeah that's still a cheap parlor trick that only works on people who've never seen a mario of any kind ever in their life. You want to make sure that when you tornado, you do it outside of your opponent's attack range.
I say outside because it doesnt have to be immediate. Most docs (myself included) like to do it as the first thing for recovery. Few (I know DJN, and I want to say $mac did this), will do it at some point before they get into range.
You just cant do it anywhere near a ledge hoping to hit somebody. They have enough time to literally stand up and then get back on the ledge before you can get there.
*points up*
You either
A) Wait
B) Up+b and try to get through them (to stage or ledge)
C) YOU BETTER ****ING WAIT
D) D'oh off the bottom.
It ain't pretty.
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Speaking of recovery, I'll cut out the BS in say that a tourney in my city got cancelled (TY Warner Robins, home of the fail.)
But bloshi came down sadly (sad for him cause it was a 2 hour drive for nothing). We played a crapton of friendlies again, Doc vs Yoshi, and I learned 2 things that were pretty hilarious (more dumb matchup knowledge)
1) If you plan on trying to b.air yoshi's recovery, make a 2nd plan for him DJing THROUGH your b.air and nairing you off the stage.
2) If yoshi looks like he's going to instant edgehog, you have be there before he goes off the stage. Obviously if you're slow he takes the ledge, but if he's slow or sloppy, you wont knock him away, you'll just hit his double jump armor and he'll grab the ledge anyway.
Random Matchup Knowledge is random.
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Edit:
Kobe = throw -> f.air. Coined by HMW and Phil (or whoever actually came up with it over there in Cali).
Sometimes referred to as dunking, because well, I dont have a Kobe over here on the east coast.
Yeah, that's one of my favorite elements about Doc. He can dribble (chaingrab) his opponents and then either bounce (D-throw) them off of the ground or toss them up (Up-throw) into the air, jump up and slam dunk them with his fist (F-air) literally like he's having a ball.I like dribbling spacies a few times before I kobe them.