Legend of Zelda Do you think that OoT is the 'greastest game ever'?

[kupo15]

slightly??


man is too much shorter than OoT, that is the only thing tha bother me of MM

4 dungeons and 2 mini dugeons arent so much, maybe 6 dungeon with 2 mini, would be ok

I think they are both roughly the same. OOT is just more focused on temples and main story whereas MM gets its playtime on side quests. MM temples are also more like super temples because they take much more effort to actually get in them lol

 

[IYM!]

I think they are both roughly the same. OOT is just more focused on temples and main story whereas MM gets its playtime on side quests. MM temples are also more like super temples because they take much more effort to actually get in them lol

but, even with a long side quest list, a big "quest for the songs" list,the game is too much shorter than OoT


well, at least i fell that game too short

 

[Anth0ny]

Majora's Mask had a crap ton of stuff to do between each dungeon (save the monkey, make the goron kid stop crying, pirates fortress/egg search, castle of Ikana). This made it about as long as OOT for me.

 

[Chis]

Better question, why do you think that it’s the ‘greatest’ game ever? Better than all the games on all the systems in the past ten years.

 

[Gatlin]

Better question, why do you think that it’s the ‘greatest’ game ever? Better than all the games on all the systems in the past ten years.

Lol, I always think about it, and I really don't know. I have always viewed OoT as being my "base-favorite" game. As in, I can say other games are my regular favorite, but nothing beats OoT. I really like the story of the game, the memories of the game, how it has many temples as well as some cool bosses. I also like how I am able to play the game over and over without getting bored of it. There aren't too many games that have that kind of re-playability.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Better question, why do you think that it’s the ‘greatest’ game ever? Better than all the games on all the systems in the past ten years.

gaming is older than ten years :/

I can't really pick a "greatest", either. all my absolute favorite games have a lot of huge flaws.

 

[just6586]

Personally, it's my all-time favorite game, but I don't think it's the greatest game ever made. I think greatness in a video game has more to do with it's overall impact on the industry. The greatest game of all time was probably an NES game, but I don't pretend to know what it is.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Personally, it's my all-time favorite game, but I don't think it's the greatest game ever made. I think greatness in a video game has more to do with it's overall impact on the industry. The greatest game of all time was probably an NES game, but I don't pretend to know what it is.

By that metric I would definitely say Legend of Zelda.

Or maybe Link to the Past.

But I think LoZ has had a bigger impact.

 

[Vigilante]

I think it's the best 3D adventure game. I don't have a best game ever. Just like how Melee is the best Platform fighte ever made... until Project M will be done.

Ocarina of time is solid, and brought with it a LOT of innovation. Combat targeting system really made 3D combat MUCH easier to control for one.

 

[The Photographic Genius]

Strictly speaking, Half-life 2 is the best game ever. But I definitely like OoT better.

 

[The Good Doctor]

By that metric I would definitely say Legend of Zelda.

Or maybe Link to the Past.

But I think LoZ has had a bigger impact.

You're obvious Zelda bias is really hard to notice

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Just like how Melee is the best Platform fighte ever made

That's your opinion, YOUR opinion.

Because if we get into that, I'd say thet SSB64 is the best out of the 3, but that'd be my opinion though.
So... >_>

 

[Luigitoilet]

That's your opinion, YOUR opinion.

Because if we get into that, I'd say thet SSB64 is the best out of the 3, but that'd be my opinion though.
So... >_>

Everything in this topic is someone's opinion.

also, Good Doctor: Zelda is the most revered game franchise in the world for a reason. Zelda 1, LttP, and OoT were incredibly important to what video games have grown to be today. Also, it is "your", NOT "you're"

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Yes, I know that, and that's why a something like "The best ever" shouldn't be used that slightly in a sentence.

 

[The Good Doctor]

Everything in this topic is someone's opinion.

also, Good Doctor: Zelda is the most revered game franchise in the world for a reason. Zelda 1, LttP, and OoT were incredibly important to what video games have grown to be today.

Game sales and logic seem to disagree. Here is a list of game sales from various Nintendo platforms

NES
# Super Mario Bros. (40.24 million)
# Super Mario Bros. 3 (18 million)
# Super Mario Bros. 2 (10 million)
# The Legend of Zelda (6.51 million)

SNES
# Super Mario World (20.60 million)
# Donkey Kong Country (8 million)
# Super Mario Kart (8 million)
# Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (6.3 million)
# The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (4.61 million)

N64
# Super Mario 64 (11.62 million)
# Mario Kart 64 (9 million)
# GoldenEye 007 (8 million)
# The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (7.6 million)
# Super Smash Bros. (5 million)
# Diddy Kong Racing (4.434 million)
# Pokémon Stadium (3.871 million)
# Donkey Kong 64 (3.77 million)
# The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (3.36 million)

Do you honestly think Nintendo owes more to Zelda than Mario?


Really....

 

[Luigitoilet]

Not really sure what sales have to do with it. "Revered" doesn't mean "best-selling". That's like saying Britney Spears is more influential to modern music than Aphex Twin because she has sold billions more records.

(hint: Aphex Twin is more influential)

 

[The Good Doctor]

Not really sure what sales have to do with it. "Revered" doesn't mean "best-selling". That's like saying Britney Spears is more influential to modern music than Aphex Twin because she has sold billions more records.

(hint: Aphex Twin is more influential)

They go hand in hand. If something is revered and influential it's going to sell well.
Obviously the Mario franchise is both more important and revered in the minds of gamers since it out sells the **** out of Zelda

You're terrible analogy is dumb too. Obviously sales doesn't equal game quality. My post was meant to show you that when it comes to popularity, Mario has Zelda crippled.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. I thought it was impact on the game industry/design, not simple popularity.

I used the Britney Spears/Aphex Twin analogy because I thought we were talking about franchises/musicians who made more of an impact on game design/music production. I wasn't really referring to quality or popularity at all. Mario is definitely more popular than Zelda, but I don't think that explicitly means it's more influential.

You COULD have a case by saying Mario is more influential because it brought so many design philosophies to the table, many of which are still being used today. Instead you just threw sales numbers at me like that was relevant to the comment I was originally replying to.

Oh well.

 

[The Good Doctor]

I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. I thought it was impact on the game industry/design, not simple popularity.

I used the Britney Spears/Aphex Twin analogy because I thought we were talking about franchises/musicians who made more of an impact on game design/music production. I wasn't really referring to quality or popularity at all. Mario is definitely more popular than Zelda, but I don't think that explicitly means it's more influential.

You COULD have a case by saying Mario is more influential because it brought so many design philosophies to the table, many of which are still being used today. Instead you just threw sales numbers at me like that was relevant to the comment I was originally replying to.

Oh well.

I'm not trying to debate you I'm stating facts while most other people blindly say things like "Oot is da bess"

Using logic, its obvious to any living person with brain cells that you cant rank "the best game" b/c of how different games are from each other. Especially games outside of their genre. That's why the question posed to us in this thread is pointless, unless you have played every single game from beginning to end countless times and somehow creates a ranking scale that can bridge the gap when comparing a game like Zelda to lets say Street Fighter

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Also, for that sales list, you have to take in consideration the time when the game was released (i.e. the oldest games would probably have a higher sales rate than what the new ones would.)

 

[Aarosmashguy]

I like simple linear games. OoT and ALTTP are really the only Zelda games I liked and man I have them completely memorized. Anyways Melee is obviously the greatest game ever so OoT would have to be number 2.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

I like simple linear games. OoT and ALTTP are really the only Zelda games I liked and man I have them completely memorized. Anyways Melee is obviously the greatest game ever so OoT would have to be number 2.

How many games have you played to get to that conclusion?

 

[Pogogo]

Yall are sleeping on pokemon

 

[Aarosmashguy]

How many games have you played to get to that conclusion?

I don't know its just what I like in games. Going around and exploring is boring to me and I'd rather be on a set path or they at least tell me where to go. ALTTP is the exception largely because of the nostalgia factor. Demon's souls and Bayonetta were the last games I beat on my ps3 if that tells you anything.

 

[3mmanu3lrc]

Well, it doesn't tell me much, since I haven't played those two last games you mentioned, anyway, I think something like "the greatest/best game ever" shouldn't be said for someone who hasen't explore that much about games.

Spoiler

But never mind, is just that I can't stand Melee or Brawl

JK
xD

 

[Vigilante]

From what I read so far, I'd like to caution you with some of the faulty debate arguments. Popularity =/= Quality. For example, here in QC, I usually get very high grade tea from a shop called Camelia Sinensis. The taste is awesome, but it's not cheap. There is a second shop, David's tea, which is more popular because it's cheaper, but the tea is not fresh and they put a bunch of unhealthy/foreign elements that compromise the quality of the product (E.g. candy canes). The quality is horrible, but it's accessible. It's like how casual games sell well. Objectively-speaking, they are often short and shallow. It will sell much but won't have many diehard fans. I don't know many people who call Wii Sports their favourite game, and that sold VERY well in Japan (It wasn't included with the system). Many games that sell well are games people kinda enjoy but aren't crazy about.

In other words, sales could be used to infer the number of people who wished to buy the game (For themselves of for others). However, many elements remain unknown.

1) Did the person actually like it?

I bought Super Smash Bros Brawl and was so dissatisfied with it that I played four matches and put it back in my library to collect dust until I found out about Project M. I bought Brawl, but I hated it. Infering "liking" from sales is faulty.

2) The degree of liking.

I buy about one game per month. That makes about 12 per year. Among those are games I like but I'm not gung-ho about.

3) Unsold titles.

Piracy. I don't need to say more.

4) The average person is not a specialist.

It's like my tea argument. People like tea bags. Unless they try actual tea leaves, they will continue to love tea bags. When they try actual leaves, many won't want to go back to tea bags, because they experienced a better taste. An average casual gamer doesn't care much for "quality" and depth. Heck, the kind of game matters little. Games are meant to kill time for these people. Not that they are idiots. They just don't care.

5) You can like a game that is not objectively good.

I got a friend who is a NIS junkie. He loves the likes of Disgaea and Makai Kingdom. They are very basic, generic J-SRPGs. To get everything, you must grind, grind, and grind again. That is poor game design. Does it mean he's a fool? Not really, but he likes a game with objectively observable flaws.

6) Generational gaps.

New gens games, who I call 90's kids (Jokingly), are spoiled with new-gen controls. When they go back and try SNES games, it's the same as when we go back and try Collecovision. They're like "Dude, no dual analogue? No 3D? What gives, man?'. Chances are they never even played it. Currently, to pool of "gamers" has increased, so a sales "success" today is different from a sales success from back then.

7) Used games.

More poeple played the games than the actual sales. Used games don't get registered in stats. Hell, my friend loved Melee but didn't have a Gamecube (So he got Project M). So he played only at my place.

In sum, using sales to infer quality is overall a faulty argument. Even if there may be a possible correlation, one cannot infer causation from a correlation... we can merely say that they move together, thus are likely associated. Even that is uncertain because an association can be very indirect.

 

[lanky_gunner]

Another factor, in my opinion, is also a huge contributor.

How early they played the game.

Ocarina of Time is my favorite game mostly due to the fact it was one of the first games I got into, let alone the first Zelda I ever beat.

But I enjoy it now because of the nostalgia factor, and how I don't think I will ever get the same feeling from a game ever now.

It still stands to date as my favorite Zelda title.

 

[Vigilante]

Another factor, in my opinion, is also a huge contributor.

How early they played the game.

Ocarina of Time is my favorite game mostly due to the fact it was one of the first games I got into, let alone the first Zelda I ever beat.

But I enjoy it now because of the nostalgia factor, and how I don't think I will ever get the same feeling from a game ever now.

It still stands to date as my favorite Zelda title.

They say you never forget your first

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

OoT and LA are a tie as to the ones I liked the most.

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

I vote NO.

I don't think Ocarina of Time is THE greatest game of all time, but I do think it was outstanding. It's without a doubt the best game of 1998, and likely the best game of the 1990's, but in the New Millennium, it's been doubtlessly outdone. I haven't played a good enough variety of games to determine what that outdoer was, but I'm convinced Ocarina of Time has been surpassed.

...but from my own opinions? I feel like a weird humanoid from Mars for saying this, but when I compare Ocarina of Time and Brawl, I can't decide which I like better.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I vote NO.

I don't think Ocarina of Time is THE greatest game of all time, but I do think it was outstanding. It's without a doubt the best game of 1998, and likely the best game of the 1990's, but in the New Millennium, it's been doubtlessly outdone. I haven't played a good enough variety of games to determine what that outdoer was, but I'm convinced Ocarina of Time has been surpassed.

...but from my own opinions? I feel like a weird humanoid from Mars for saying this, but when I compare Ocarina of Time and Brawl, I can't decide which I like better.

Uh, by what?

Not saying you're wrong for saying so, but you didn't even say an example of what has surpassed it. Why would you even make such a statement if you don't even have a specific game/s in mind? that's pretty weird.

...or are you saying Brawl is the greatest game of all time?

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

Uh, by what?

Not saying you're wrong for saying so, but you didn't even say an example of what has surpassed it. Why would you even make such a statement if you don't even have a specific game/s in mind? that's pretty weird.

...or are you saying Brawl is the greatest game of all time?

Like you're one to talk!

Even if I had a clear idea of what game was better than Ocarina of Time, I doubt I could suggest something that most of you would agree with. I have no way of confirming what that game is, whether it's Metroid Prime, Super Mario Galaxy 2, or even a game released on a Nintendo system. But with all the universally acclaimed games released since the autumn of 1998, I just think it's a little against the odds that Ocarina of Time is THE best of them.

And I could never say Brawl was the best game of all time. But it's the only game I'd admit to personally liking equally as much as Ocarina of Time.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Well, in these discussions people usually account for the context and time of release. OoT has plenty of aged aspects and games have come along that did what OoT started and improved upon it. I think to determine "greatness" to some degree, you have to observe a game's lasting influence on the industry, or its revolution for game development. It's unfair to directly compare two games when they have very different technical limitations

Super Mario Bros 1 is, and always should be considered one of the greatest games ever created. But, when you play it now it's ugly, clumsy, repettitive, etc etc....But, it created a whole "genre" of video games. Everyone knows what a platformer game is. That's because of Super Mario 1. No game is going to be truly ageless, so I think impact is more important to consider when discussing "greatness"

 

[Gatlin]

Even if I had a clear idea of what game was better than Ocarina of Time, I doubt I could suggest something that most of you would agree with. I have no way of confirming what that game is, whether it's Metroid Prime, Super Mario Galaxy 2, or even a game released on a Nintendo system. But with all the universally acclaimed games released since the autumn of 1998, I just think it's a little against the odds that Ocarina of Time is THE best of them.

True, but that is the point of the thread. It is asking "Do you think" which means we don't have to agree at all with what you have to say seeing as it is completely based upon your own opinion. Also true that games have advanced a long way over the past 13 years, but like Luigitoilet was saying is that a lot of the older games really set a high bar and standard for future releases to improve upon which is why a lot of older titles can and do deserve the title of the greatest game of all time or even the perfect game.

 

[etecoon]

OoT isn't even the best zelda game : p

 

[Luigitoilet]

Let me guess, it's Majora's Mask?

 

[LLDL]

Brave Fencer Musashi is the best zelda game

 

[The Good Doctor]

Because of this topic, I actually played through OoT
I found it didn't live up to to hype.

 

[etecoon]

Let me guess, it's Majora's Mask?

yes

I think OoT, MM, LA, and LTTP comprise the top tier of the series, all pretty close to being the best

Brave Fencer Musashi is the best zelda game

okami is the best zelda game that isn't a zelda game

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Because of this topic, I actually played through OoT
I found it didn't live up to to hype.

I think it has slipped from today's standards. Action/Adventure games were pretty big I believe back when the N64 first game out. Since then, shooters and sandbox games have taken over I believe. At least when I think of games like assassin's creed or halo/call of duty. The really popular stuff.

In my mind, I would say OoT might be the greatest game. I had a lot of fun with it when it first game out, and discovering the game has a ton of viable glitches to abuse everywhere, it makes the game more interesting at a later age when I seem to prefer faster games.

Seriously, those glitches in the game can speed it up considerably. Best I have done is about 4 hours. Reverse bottle adventure stuff makes it even more insanely fast (around an hour to link wakes up to ganon's death)