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Legend of Zelda Do you think that OoT is the 'greastest game ever'?

Luigitoilet

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I just recently replayed FF7 for the first time since like 2000 and I can't believe how people can think it's the greatest game ever. It's just...not that good, in most respects.

Not that it's bad. It's still probably my favorite FF. But as a game I wouldn't even consider it for a top 5-10
 

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I said might

FFVII is another candidate

but OoT is definitely one of the most bandwagoned games of all time
 

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they're different but I think OoT is the better game

if LA didn't have gameboy limitations(2 buttons, having to go back to inventory constantly...) it would be the best 2D zelda IMO
 

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Maybe it works for Zelda, though I think the 3D games have an unfair advantage with the 3rd dimension and what they offer, kinda like in boxing heavy weight and light weight. I feel that the 2d and 3d games should be judged separately for some reason just like I don't think 2d and 3d mario games should be compared because they offer different experiences

thoughts?
 

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Well... comparing games in itself is already pretty damn subjective. I would think any criteria we apply to evaluate 3D games would also apply to 2D games as far as gameplay and such is concerned.
 

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But where is that line drawn? Do you agree that its pretty pointless to compare 2d 3d mario games (and what I refer to is sidescroller vs free-roam) since its like comparing apples to oranges but maybe the zelda doesn't need the distinction?

But for me, I judge games based on replay value and I enjoy replaying the N64s more than lttp. I get super excited to play lttp but just about all the sidequests can be completed in the beginning half of the game
 

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You could just as easily say it's pretty pointless to compare 3D Mario and 3D Zelda games, no?

If you judge based on replay value, you can apply that to both 2D and 3D games.
 

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luigitoilet- if i have enough time later, i wanna write something up talking about why i think ff7, to this day, despite the hundreds of other games that have come out, is still the best game ever. no game has come close to doing things ff7 has, and the games that have have a few aspects or traits that ff7 has, but none of them can put them together and unless video game developers get their **** together, no game ever will
 

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If I judged based on replay value, my GBA games would be far superior than most of my console games. It's about far more than just replay.

Most people hate comparing games with even the slightest differences. For that matter one should never say 'x' game is better 'y' game because they're different, but I find that stupid because at times it's obvious when one game is better than another, even across genres. No matter how different they are, it will be fairly obvious that Zelda OoT is better than some mediocre game like M&Ms Racing. It's because even though we may not be able to express it verbally, people draw lines when comparing games, and if it can be done with games with obvious disparities, it can be done with games with not so obvious disparities (like comparing OoT and MM). I personally judge the depth of a game when comparing it to another, and by 'depth' I mean how many different avenues of entertainment are in a game, the extent of the effort put into those avenues, and the extent of the effectiveness of those avenues as they relate to the game. This, at its core, still boils down to subjective tastes, but I feel that in general these taste issues will be generally more agreeable from person to person(just like how people can generally agree on good literature.) It's a much better ****ion, to me, than just saying "Games are too different to compare."

As far as OoT vs OoT3D goes, *insert 3D=more depth joke here*
 

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luigitoilet- if i have enough time later, i wanna write something up talking about why i think ff7, to this day, despite the hundreds of other games that have come out, is still the best game ever. no game has come close to doing things ff7 has, and the games that have have a few aspects or traits that ff7 has, but none of them can put them together and unless video game developers get their **** together, no game ever will
Okay. Do it then.
 

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I wouldn't give FFVII "best game ever" but I do agree with jesiah on "unless developers get their **** together", I feel like the game industry has been in a rut for the better part of the past 5 years or so and has done little or nothing to top the N64/PSX era aside from pushing technical boundaries, or the previous generation for that matter, the PS2's game library is leaps and bounds beyond what any of the current generation of systems offer and I'd also argue the gamecube over the wii
 

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If I judged based on replay value, my GBA games would be far superior than most of my console games. It's about far more than just replay.

Most people hate comparing games with even the slightest differences. For that matter one should never say 'x' game is better 'y' game because they're different, but I find that stupid because at times it's obvious when one game is better than another, even across genres. No matter how different they are, it will be fairly obvious that Zelda OoT is better than some mediocre game like M&Ms Racing. It's because even though we may not be able to express it verbally, people draw lines when comparing games, and if it can be done with games with obvious disparities, it can be done with games with not so obvious disparities (like comparing OoT and MM). I personally judge the depth of a game when comparing it to another, and by 'depth' I mean how many different avenues of entertainment are in a game, the extent of the effort put into those avenues, and the extent of the effectiveness of those avenues as they relate to the game. This, at its core, still boils down to subjective tastes, but I feel that in general these taste issues will be generally more agreeable from person to person(just like how people can generally agree on good literature.) It's a much better ****ion, to me, than just saying "Games are too different to compare."

As far as OoT vs OoT3D goes, *insert 3D=more depth joke here*

I agree pretty much. I don't only look at replay value for what is considered a "great" game. Obviously first playthroughs carry a lot of weight as well, and its impact on the game industry but when judging the "greatest game ever" it only makes sense that I would enjoy replaying "that" game more than another in the series. The greatest game needs to have the full package
 

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Everyone in this thread know exactly how I feel about this subject, but if I had to choose one game that I enjoy playing the most it would be Tetris.
Also Disgaea gets an honorable mention.
 
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