Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Fishbunjin is cool]

I feel bad for people who don't want Jonesy. He's definitely a contender.

i'd be fine with Jonesy. Fortnite definitely has left a impact on gaming nowadays unlike Among Us (tho maybe that could change) or Fall Guys.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well, it was a long time ago. No one guessed he was going to be a clone.

Which is ironic because Uprising, he is a literal clone of Pit.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Which is ironic because Uprising, he is a literal clone of Pit.

Thinking about it back then, I don't know why they didn't include Medusa as a Palutena clone back then. They both have a similar build despite their hair. I would love to see Medusa in even as a Palutena clone/Echo.

 

[7NATOR]

There's a mechanic in fighting games I haven't seen a Smash newcomer use yet.

Air Dashing.

And here I go shilling for Chun-Li again as she can do it in the MvC games. I think Morrigan can do that as well.

I Imagine if we got a Character with Air Dashing, it be Sol or Reimu

Sol because he comes from the Anime fighting game Genre, and Reimu because of Touhou's High air moblity. I'm not sure if they give Chun-Li air-dash. It's possible

I also guess there's Dante since Trickster allows Air dashing

EDIT: Darkstalkers did invent Air-dashing (and alot of hyperfighter/Anime Fighter elements) so if Morrigan did get in, she'd have it also

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So if Chun-Li or another character were to get in and they could Air Dash, would they break the meta game or would they just be really high up on the tier list?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Thinking about it back then, I don't know why they didn't include Medusa as a Palutena clone back then. They both have a similar build despite their hair. I would love to see Medusa in even as a Palutena clone/Echo.

Because Dark Pit was already planned as an alt of Pit.

In fact, all the Smash 4 clones have this distinction. So Medusa was just never considered as a Palutena alt.

 

[Idon]

Technically we already have air dashing in the form or Joker's aerial gun-side. By extension we also have air blocking in the form of aerial rebel's guard.

 

[7NATOR]

So if Chun-Li or another character were to get in and they could Air Dash, would they break the meta game or would they just be really high up on the tier list?

It wouldn't be broken

I Imagine the Air Dash would take a jump, as that is how it usually works in the Fighting game. They'd be able to mix up their Mobility more, and they get some good Pressure and/or Offensive options of it, but it's not something I think will make a character Broken

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Sakurai's New Year Themed POTD.

あけましておめでとうございます!! pic.twitter.com/t7k6snsP1K

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) January 1, 2021

Translation is simple: Happy New Year!!

 

[ZelDan]

When people say that first party reps from Nintendo are the bottom of the barrel, what does that even mean?

"This character wouldn't break twitter or make a bunch of people on youtube jump around like a coked up monkey in a reaction video so therefor they would bring absolutely no value to Smash whatsoever."

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So Medusa was just never considered as a Palutena alt.

Which is a shame because I would have love to play as her in any form.

Technically we already have air dashing in the form or Joker's aerial gun-side. By extension we also have air blocking in the form of aerial rebel's guard.

I guess that answers my question. Chun-Li would probably be the Bayonetta of Ultimate perhaps.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Thinking about it back then, I don't know why they didn't include Medusa as a Palutena clone back then. They both have a similar build despite their hair. I would love to see Medusa in even as a Palutena clone/Echo.

I mean, Sakurai Made Uprising. He would not have been alright with making Medusa an echo, cause she couldn't be further than the polar opposite of Palutena, build or not.

Maybe reuse some of Palutena's old customs at most, the ones that make sense at least.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

Which is ironic because Uprising, he is a literal clone of Pit.

I remember when I was pettier in Smash 4 pointing out that the only difference between him and Pit was he could fly forever (until the story made him even more identical to Pit) and Pit having the halos around his arm.
Plus I was still pretty bitter over Ganondorf being a clone AGAIN and people were discussing how to declone the one character that was an actual clone in every sense of the word.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I feel bad for people who don't want Jonesy. He's definitely a contender.

He would be, but we already had two very expensive characters in one pass. That and if Steve took five years, we'd only be on year three out of five for Jonesy, not enough for both to be in FP2.

 

[Will]

Sakurai's New Year Themed POTD.

あけましておめでとうございます!! pic.twitter.com/t7k6snsP1K

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) January 1, 2021

Translation is simple: Happy New Year!!

WHAT'S GOING ON YOUTUBE, IT'S SPECULATOR93 HERE, AND TODAY SAKURAI LEAKS NEXT CHARACTER???? UH??!?!?! SAKURAI TWEETS "HAPPY NEW YEARS" WITH THREE BIRDS. NOW YOU MIGHT BE ASKING, WHO CAN THREE BIRDS WHO WISH YOU A HAPPY NEWS YEAR BE? THAT'S RIGHT

IT'S ****ING DODRIO BABY.

 

[venomthebest]

Saw someone talking mortal kombat in smash seriously and it got me thinking about if there was any potential reason to believe that and I found this interview and I don't know about you guys but it seemed to me like ed boon got really uncomfortable when the guy was asking about smash to him and his answer is kinda fumbled compared to he other responses. I want to know what you guys think to
here's the link
https://youtu.be/ifm5hfoqobY

edit: keep in mind this was after the second pass was announced

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Saw someone talking mortal kombat in smash seriously and it got me thinking about if there was any potential reason to believe that and I found this interview and I don't know about you guys but it seemed to me like ed boon got really uncomfortable when the guy was asking about smash to him and his answer is kinda fumbled compared to he other responses. I want to know what you guys think to
here's the link
https://youtu.be/ifm5hfoqobY

edit: keep in mind this was after the second pass was announced

Interesting. Speaking of someone talking seriously about Mortal Kombat in Smash:

 

[SKX31]

And for Scorpion, the Japan thing has people just throw him out completely, in which while I completely understand why, I don't think it's just that simple and there are signs that WB Games and Nintendo perhaps talked about Smash.

Dude, I played my last Civilization 6 game just some hours ago and named my own religion MORTAL KOMBAT just for fun (complete with using the Scorpio astrology symbol as the religion's symbol, again just for fun):

Needless to say, I did not expect a poster here to write like - if I may be so bold and say it - a follower of that religion just hours after finishing said game. (If anyone wants to know how the full game went I'm ready to share, hoo boy it was bonkers.)

I get your enthuisasm, but please chill a little, okay?

Saw someone talking mortal kombat in smash seriously and it got me thinking about if there was any potential reason to believe that and I found this interview and I don't know about you guys but it seemed to me like ed boon got really uncomfortable when the guy was asking about smash to him and his answer is kinda fumbled compared to he other responses. I want to know what you guys think to
here's the link
https://youtu.be/ifm5hfoqobY

edit: keep in mind this was after the second pass was announced

TBF, it might be wise to hold your horses for a bit: the flustered response from Suda did turn out to be the Travis Mii.

Is it possible? Sure. But it could also be nothing essentially or NPC material in the end. (Not that I'd personally mind NPC material - MK getting even a Spirit event would be pretty hype for me personally).

So if Chun-Li or another character were to get in and they could Air Dash, would they break the meta game or would they just be really high up on the tier list?

It's very difficult to say obviously before the character's released because meta games and tier lists are by neccesity educated guesswork.

Air Dashes would in theory be great because they're another form of mobility, especially in a game like Ultimate where the airspace is emphasized. Mobile characters also tend to be thought of highly in competitive Smash (regardless of game - , , , , / ) because they can punish whiffs, control space and use that mobility for other purposes. It's more important in competitive not only because money's on the line, but also since at that point people are proficient enough to punish even slight missteps.

On the other hand, air mobility is not the only reason why a character's considered good - most if not all those characters listed also have many ways to output pressure safely, and very good windows to safely get more mileage out of the opening as well as at least a decent recovery. Diddy (see below) has some great air mobility in Ultimate, but isn't considered a top-of-the-line character.

It's a decently safe bet, but not definitive.

Technically we already have air dashing in the form or Joker's aerial gun-side. By extension we also have air blocking in the form of aerial rebel's guard.

Those are TBF not the main reasons why Joker's considered a really strong character, but yeah, those are the closest to air-dashing.

B-Reversing (Pressing B and instantly reversing direction, which is precise) with certain characters can also be counted as an "Air Dash" of sorts since it keeps momentum:

 

[7NATOR]

Saw someone talking mortal kombat in smash seriously and it got me thinking about if there was any potential reason to believe that and I found this interview and I don't know about you guys but it seemed to me like ed boon got really uncomfortable when the guy was asking about smash to him and his answer is kinda fumbled compared to he other responses. I want to know what you guys think to
here's the link
https://youtu.be/ifm5hfoqobY

edit: keep in mind this was after the second pass was announced

This was part of the reason why I kind of got focused on Scorpion

This interview, unlike many other interviews regarding Smash I don't think said anything about whether a Mortal Kombat character is in or not

Ed did not go into details about potential conversations with Nintendo like the ID Software people did about Doom. However he also did not namedrop any characters in particular as well, Like the interview with Jeff Kaplan about Overwatch, Ryza Interview, or other interviews

That's why I found it kind of suspicious, and I think led me to pay more attention to Scorpion.

Warner Bros and Nintendo have had a relationship for awhile. Warner Bros supported the Wii U with stuff like Batman and Injustice. Mortal Kombat as a Franchise has had alot of their games ported since the SNES with the exception of MK9 and MKX

Plus Nintendo themselves insisted Warner Bros port MK11 to switch when Warner Bros were being more apprehensive. There definitly had to be discussions around Smash somewhere, Especially since Ed Boon has been down with the idea since 2015

 

[Icedragonadam]

There was an interview sometime before Byleth was revealed that had one of Bethesda's guys respond to Doomguy being in Smash with a wordless response that made it look like he was in Smash but that turned out to be nothing.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

There was an interview sometime before Byleth was revealed that had one of Bethesda's guys respond to Doomguy being in Smash with a wordless response that made it look like he was in Smash but that turned out to be nothing.

First off, it was from id Software. Were it Bethesda, the interview would mean nothing since the company doesn't have any ownership of Doom, only publishing the games in recent years, so they probably wouldn't have known much to begin with.

Second, that interview was so transparent few people expected Doom out of it due to how much more detailed it was, making it hard to justify it being a NDA.

 

[Will]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This is pretty dang cool, but this is also funny in a way because I bet the same type of people who are into this were also the same guys who said that Cacamallow had to be real cause no one could replicate complicated Mii Costume mods. Regardless, this is pretty dope.

 

[7NATOR]

Dude, I played my last Civilization 6 game just some hours ago and named my own religion MORTAL KOMBAT just for fun (complete with using the Scorpio astrology symbol as the religion's symbol, again just for fun):

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Needless to say, I did not expect a poster here to write like - if I may be so bold and say it - a follower of that religion just hours after finishing said game. (If anyone wants to know how the full game went I'm ready to share, hoo boy it was bonkers.)

I get your enthuisasm, but please chill a little, okay?



TBF, it might be wise to hold your horses for a bit: the flustered response from Suda did turn out to be the Travis Mii.

Is it possible? Sure. But it could also be nothing essentially or NPC material in the end. (Not that I'd personally mind NPC material - MK getting even a Spirit event would be pretty hype for me personally).

I'm don't know much about Civilization, except for the thing about Ghandi nuking people, But I'm willing to hear about how the Full Game went because I'm wondering about this religon thing and Mortal Kombat and such.

And yeah I don't think the interview is the important bit in regards to hinting towards Mortal Kombat representation in Smash. It's part of the puzzle, and frankly I could see at the end of this just some Mii Costumes that can change colors and such, or just nothing at all

Like, honestly the biggest thing I kind of think about when it comes to Mortal Kombat in Smash is I would have thought There be some type of rumor abour Scorpion coming to Smash. With Warner Bros and Netherrealm being a Western based company, with Netherrealm in Chicago, I would have think somehting like Scorpion would have leaked, like how there was the rumors of Minecraft/Banjo, and then later on Crash

The only Rumor about Scorpion in Smash was by that Gamefaqs user that at first Claimed Scorpion was fighter 5, before backtracking and saying it was mic-communication between his friend and him, and that his friend saw something that suggested the Finalization of Scorpion in Smash just finished

Verge seems to not heard of him, Neither Imran. Even Fatman, regardless of how you feel about him, did not hear of any Mortal Kombat stuff. If Nintendo really kept this locked I'd be kind of surprised

 

[Mushroomguy12]

WHAT'S GOING ON YOUTUBE, IT'S SPECULATOR93 HERE, AND TODAY SAKURAI LEAKS NEXT CHARACTER???? UH??!?!?! SAKURAI TWEETS "HAPPY NEW YEARS" WITH THREE BIRDS. NOW YOU MIGHT BE ASKING, WHO CAN THREE BIRDS WHO WISH YOU A HAPPY NEWS YEAR BE? THAT'S RIGHT

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IT'S ****ING DODRIO BABY.

THREE BIRDS?! OBVIOUSLY EACH BIRD REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT FIGHTER’S PASS! FIGHTER’S PASS 3 CONFIRMED!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

WHAT'S GOING ON YOUTUBE, IT'S SPECULATOR93 HERE, AND TODAY SAKURAI LEAKS NEXT CHARACTER???? UH??!?!?! SAKURAI TWEETS "HAPPY NEW YEARS" WITH THREE BIRDS. NOW YOU MIGHT BE ASKING, WHO CAN THREE BIRDS WHO WISH YOU A HAPPY NEWS YEAR BE? THAT'S RIGHT

View attachment 297916

IT'S ****ING DODRIO BABY.

THREE BIRDS?! OBVIOUSLY EACH BIRD REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT FIGHTER’S PASS! FIGHTER’S PASS 3 CONFIRMED!

OK BUT THE REAL THREE BIRDS THEY MEAN IS

• PUNISHING BIRD
• BIG BIRD
• BIRD OF JUDGMENT

WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU COMBINE ALL THREE? THAT’S RIGHT. APOCALYPSE BIRD CONFIRMED.

(WHERE MY LC FAM AT 3BitSaurus BlondeLombax )

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's very difficult to say obviously before the character's released because meta games and tier lists are by neccesity educated guesswork.

Air Dashes would in theory be great because they're another form of mobility, especially in a game like Ultimate where the airspace is emphasized. Mobile characters also tend to be thought of highly in competitive Smash (regardless of game - , , , , / ) because they can punish whiffs, control space and use that mobility for other purposes. It's more important in competitive not only because money's on the line, but also since at that point people are proficient enough to punish even slight missteps.

On the other hand, air mobility is not the only reason why a character's considered good - most if not all those characters listed also have many ways to output pressure safely, and very good windows to safely get damage and / or recover. Diddy (see below) has some great air mobility in Ultimate, but isn't considered a top-of-the-line character.

It's a decently safe bet, but not definitive.

It also depends on who we're talking about. Morrigain's Air Dash would be pretty great as a recovery tool, get-out-of-juggle tool, combo extension tool, and potentially a great juggle tool and surprise air to airs, but it likely wouldn't really see use for cross-ups like with other air dashes due to its trajectory, and it uses an entire Special Move slot. Not so with Sol, who's air dash would likely be a double tap forward or backward motion, and would simply go straight forward or backward (if Sol can air dash backward, I'm not sure he can). It would be a kinda bad horizontal dash recovery option like Alolan Whip, but without the lag, and wouldn't likely extend combos like Morrigan's would, but it would make for a much more useful approach option, and would still be a good way to stall in the air if needed.

And then there are characters with 8-way air dashes and flight. We are very lucky that this is pretty much exclusive to certain Marvel characters in Marvel Vs. Capcom. If a character like that were to come our way we probably would fear infinite doom.

Actually it'd be pretty easily counterbalanced by garbage air speed, but I wanted to make a reference.

 

[Mamboo07]

The 10th DLC fighter was under our noses.

 

[Fishbunjin is cool]

I genuinely believe Kratos will be in before Smash DLC ends.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

THREE BIRDS?! OBVIOUSLY EACH BIRD REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT FIGHTER’S PASS! FIGHTER’S PASS 3 CONFIRMED!

Comic Book Guy: Three birds? Hmm... Wait a second! I KNOW! IT'S THE ANGRY BIRDS! THANK YOU INTERNET FOR THE APPLAUSE I GLADLY TAKE MY TROPHY AND BE ON MY MERRY WAY!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

 

[Perkilator]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

You'll never believe it: mine was Wild Dog from Time Crisis

 

[Mamboo07]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

I didn't have one long time ago back in Smash 4.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

The 10th DLC fighter was under our noses.
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Legend has it that Plant invented the universe, and will soon outlast it.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

My Smash Ballot vote was King K. Rool as well. I also voted for Krystal and Goemon on my other devices.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

Amaterasu.

Probably a wasted vote all things considered, but eh.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

King K. Rool and Lloyd Irving,

Was it ever confirmed you could vote for multiple characters without a new entry overwriting the old one?

 

[PeridotGX]

For my last post of 2020, I shall part with great wisdom. Never forget this;

In Generation 4, Magneton learns Gyro Ball at level 54

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

You guys ready? Few minutes till the final boss of 2020. I’m betting on it being Cthulu or Godzilla, maybe Giygas if we’re hated that badly.

 

[SirBillyBob]

Hope this turns out to be a good year y'all.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

So, for my pointless New Years prediction, I'm going to say that if Dark Souls somehow gets a character, the stage will be the least tournament legal of all the dlc.

Happy New Year, everyone.