Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Evil Trapezium]

So now that were in the new year. Where has speculation taken us regarding the remaining 3 fighters?

Still suspecting at most we might get a Capcom character.

We're getting the GTA 5 protagonists so we can play these amazing tracks on a Los Santos stage.

The Long Stretch
Trevor Philips Industries
Derailed
Fame or Shame

And people say GTA doesn't have any non-licensed tracks to play.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

We're getting the GTA 5 protagonists so we can play these amazing tracks on a Los Santos stage.

The Long Stretch
Trevor Philips Industries
Derailed
Fame or Shame

And people say GTA doesn't have any non-licensed tracks to play.

Nothing in GTAV will ever beat how raw the GTAIV music was. It actually gave the games a unique sound that they wasted with V.

Actually, I’m willing to die on the hill that GTAIV and it’s expansions were all way better than GTAV. Sales be damned.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Happy New Year, everybody!

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Look, I know there's a Zodiac for this kind of thing, but this is one of my most anticipated games of 2021, so I had to share it.

Anyways, because I saw someone mention it on Twitter, what are the odds of a January Nintendo Direct? Or at the very least, some kind of news update from Nintendo?

 

[Sophitia]

Well, it's a new year, I wonder when we'll get our next character reveal.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Well, it's a new year, I wonder when we'll get our next character reveal.

Probably February at the earliest. The format also depends on if COVID-19 is controlled in a few months time (hopefully it is)

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Well, it's a new year, I wonder when we'll get our next character reveal.

Looking to be around March according to Amiibo Theory.

 

[RileyXY1]

Looking to be around March according to Amiibo Theory.

I don't think so unless the next character is the Monster Hunter.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

I wanted Ridley and King K. Rool, but I figured they had more than enough support so I voted for Ganon.

Hey, it sort of worked out? At least he's no longer a half-second Final Smash.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't think so unless the next character is the Monster Hunter.

Remember how 2020's VGA reveal lined up for Doom Slayer with DOOM's December 10th release?

Don't count your eggs before they hatch.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I don't think so unless the next character is the Monster Hunter.

Amiibo Theory has been pretty accurate, and March isn't that long of a wait. That's about the same wait from Steve's release to Sephiroth. Plus the character doesn't have to be Monster Hunter, it very well could be Monster Hunter but SF2 and DMC3's anniversaries are in March (DMC3's anniversary in March is only for the West though). We also had Sephiroth's presentation be on the anniversary of Final Fantasy.

Besides releasing the Monster Hunter Mii Costumes when Monster Hunter Rise is coming out is a solid advertising tactic, especially if Sakurai talks about how Monster Hunter Rise is coming out. I also wouldn't be surprised if those Mii Costumes come with a Capcom rep.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So given the Final Fantasy anniversary of last year (December 2020). What are some anniversaries to keep an eye out on?

I recall Ace Attorney (20 years), and The Legend of Zelda (35 years) being among those.

Would really love Phoenix Wright. Really pulling for him!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Nothing in GTAV will ever beat how raw the GTAIV music was. It actually gave the games a unique sound that they wasted with V.

Actually, I’m willing to die on the hill that GTAIV and it’s expansions were all way better than GTAV. Sales be damned.

To be fair, GTA V has been carried by its online since launch. And that's the one thing that we can't really argue GTA V did way better than IV.

 

[Dinoman96]

Never doubt the Amiibo theory, considering it's the one theory that's been proven to be impeccable at this point lol

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Never doubt the Amiibo theory, considering it's the one theory that's been proven to be impeccable at this point lol

Well, that and 7-11 Theory... when the ads happen of course. Didn’t happen last month

 

[RileyXY1]

Never doubt the Amiibo theory, considering it's the one theory that's been proven to be impeccable at this point lol

And it will die unless Monster Hunter is next.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

And it will die unless Monster Hunter is next.

...not necessarily? All the theory needs is a release date for amiibos

 

[Cosmic77]

Monster Hunter makes more sense for an E3 reveal. It would be a pretty notable addition, at least in Japan.

March would be a good time to reveal another first-party like Min Min/ARMS or a less popular third-party like Terry. Could be bigger depending on what's left in this pass, but I don't expect the next character to be comparable to Steve or Sephiroth.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Never doubt the Amiibo theory, considering it's the one theory that's been proven to be impeccable at this point lol

It's still possible that we could get a reveal before March, since Min Min had no amiibo tied to her when revealed.

I don't think it's likely, but it shows that amiibo theory isn't good at predicting the next reveal period, but rather a reveal period.

 

[RileyXY1]

Amiibo Theory has been pretty accurate, and March isn't that long of a wait. That's about the same wait from Steve's release to Sephiroth. Plus the character doesn't have to be Monster Hunter, it very well could be Monster Hunter but SF2 and DMC3's anniversaries are in March (DMC3's anniversary in March is only for the West though). We also had Sephiroth's presentation be on the anniversary of Final Fantasy.

Besides releasing the Monster Hunter Mii Costumes when Monster Hunter Rise is coming out is a solid advertising tactic, especially if Sakurai talks about how Monster Hunter Rise is coming out. I also wouldn't be surprised if those Mii Costumes come with a Capcom rep.

It wouldn't make sense to release any character other than Monster Hunter in March because of Rise and its own Amiibo line, which is a rarity for a third party series.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It wouldn't make sense to release any character other than Monster Hunter in March because of Rise and its own Amiibo line, which is a rarity for a third party series.

Again remember DOOM's anniversary last year? We didn't get Doom Slayer despite it having been perfect timing to reveal him.

 

[RileyXY1]

Again remember DOOM's anniversary last year? We didn't get Doom Slayer despite it having been perfect timing to reveal him.

We're talking about a new game's release, not an anniversary, and it's one Nintendo is promoting a lot.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It wouldn't make sense to release any character other than Monster Hunter in March because of Rise and its own Amiibo line, which is a rarity for a third party series.

Because shilling games has always worked as an argument for adding third-parties, hasn't it?

The upcoming amiibo for Smash are the remaining FP1 characters, being Banjo, Terry and Byleth. That wouldn't change regardless of who CP9 is.

 

[RileyXY1]

Because shilling games has always been an argument for adding third-parties

The upcoming amiibo for Smash are the remaining FP1 characters, being Banjo, Terry and Byleth. That wouldn't change regardless of who CP9 is.

I was talking about Monster Hunter's own amiibo line that are releasing along with Rise.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I was talking about Monster Hunter's own amiibo line that are releasing along with Rise.

These amiibo are unrelated to amiibo Theory.

amiibo Theory is specifically and only related to Smash amiibo. The Rise amiibo being around the same time is unrelated and pure coincidence, and would still be so even if CP9 was a Hunter.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think that we will wait until E3 for CP9 (as well as a dual reveal with CP10 if E3 does happen) unless CP9 is the Monster Hunter.

 

[SKX31]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

I was unsure of who I would vote for, so skipped. I did consider Sora, since he seemed realistic at the time. Yeah, didn't know the rights situation during that time.

It wouldn't make sense to release any character other than Monster Hunter in March because of Rise and its own Amiibo line, which is a rarity for a third party series.

That's... certainly a hill to die on, if I may be so bold.

It didn't make any sense from a promotional angle to release Min Min back during June, or B-K / Terry during September / November 2019. They did so anyway.

A character doesn't have to "make promotional sense" to be released during March 2021, even if it looks tempting.

 

[Cosmic77]

Sephiroth didn't come with amiibo, so I don't think the next character HAS to launch alongside amiibo. It likely will, but I could see the character after the next not being released alongside amiibo. Probably won't see Min Min and Steve amiibo until fall.

 

[RileyXY1]

Sephiroth didn't come with amiibo, so I don't think the next character HAS to launch alongside amiibo. It likely will, but I could see the character after the next not being released alongside amiibo. Probably won't see Min Min and Steve amiibo until fall.

Min Min didn't either.

 

[Speed Weed]

So now that were in the new year. Where has speculation taken us regarding the remaining 3 fighters?

Still suspecting at most we might get a Capcom character.

I fully acknowledge that this is probably just me doing a bias, but I've been feelin' a Sega rep lately

Which is what led to my post yesterday about how I started exploring a bunch of options for the company. IMO there's quite a few plausible candidates that could be chosen due to various different factors

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Here's a new game.

What were some characters in Smash 4 and Ultimate that you thought were obvious inclusions but seemed to take others by surprise?

For me, Little Mac, Miis and Steve all fit that bill.

I don’t think it counts since my actual faith in her was low, but I always said if clones were to return, Daisy would be a natural fit and close to locked.
And I guess I was right.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That's... certainly a hill to die on.

It didn't make any sense from a promotional angle to release Min Min back during June, or Terry during November 2019. They did so anyway.

A character doesn't have to "make promotional sense" to be released during March 2021, even if it looks tempting.

And the only debatable cases of "third-party shills" are those who happen to have a good amount of involvement from Nintendo themselves, being Bayonetta (Nintendo funded both sequels) and Hero's Luminary alt (publishing rights for international Switch versions of DQ XI S)

2 out of 16 (yes, Sephiroth is the 16th third-party in the roster), or more specifically 1.25 since it's only one Hero alt, isn't exactly what I'd call a pattern.

 

[RileyXY1]

And the only debatable cases of "third-party shills" are those who happen to have a good amount of involvement from Nintendo themselves, being Bayonetta (Nintendo funded both sequels) and Hero's Luminary alt (publishing rights for international Switch versions of DQ XI S)

2 out of 16 (yes, Sephiroth is the 16th third-party in the roster), or more specifically 1.25 since it's only one Hero alt, isn't exactly what I'd call a pattern.

It makes sense for Nintendo to this with Monster Hunter because of how much attention Rise is getting from the company. It's launching as a Switch exclusive, it was the star attraction of the most recent Partner Showcase (and then they gave it its own dedicated direct afterwards) and the game is getting its own line of Amiibo, a rarity for a third party franchise.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Min Min didn't either.

Which is why amiibo Theory is good at predicting a reveal window, not the very next one.

We're getting a reveal in March if it still holds up, but that doesn't mean we can't get one between today and then. It's very unlikely given the pace of reveals for FP2 so far, but not impossible.

It makes sense for Nintendo to this with Monster Hunter because of how much attention Rise is getting from the company. It's launching as a Switch exclusive, it was the star attraction of the most recent Partner Showcase (and then they gave it its own dedicated direct afterwards) and the game is getting its own line of Amiibo, a rarity for a third party franchise.

But that doesn't mean it automatically will happen.

The Hunter has been getting attention, and it wouldn't be surprising if Nintendo wanted to really push the IP, but don't go out and assume that March is the only time we could possible get a Hunter or the only time that "makes sense".

Especially if it's for Rise content which would be unlikely to release in Smash on the same month Rise comes out due to Sakurai wanting to experience the game a character comes from before making content.

"But Corrin came in Smash before her game"

Not if you're Japanese and were able to play Fates for about 6-7 months.

"But Roy in Melee"

.......****, point taken... but it's been nearly two decades since Melee and we haven't seen an example like Roy since then, so Sakurai's definitely learned lmao

 

[CureParfait]

I don't think so unless the next character is the Monster Hunter.

I think there is a probability the character in March may not be Monster Hunter.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Definitely know its hard to predict who the last three are but to bring more discussion and speculation to the beginning of the New Year. What are everyone's predictions on the final 3 and why?

Just trying to keep things going to let this year start off with a kick.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Definitely know its hard to predict who the last three are but to bring more discussion and speculation to the beginning of the New Year. What are everyone's predictions on the final 3 and why?

Just trying to keep things going to let this year start off with a kick.

My intuition is saying Reimu, KOS-MOS and Crash. By FP9 we’ll also know right from the horse’s mouth if this is the end or if there are in fact still more fighters in development. The former happened with Cloud in 4, the latter with Terry in Ultimate.

my HOPE? Elma, Octoling and Ahri.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Saw GTA discussion. If a GTA character got in, I feel like that would blow minds to another astronomical level like other characters. We'd realize "yes, literally any video game character regardless of their origins are worthy for Smash"

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Definitely know its hard to predict who the last three are but to bring more discussion and speculation to the beginning of the New Year. What are everyone's predictions on the final 3 and why?

Just trying to keep things going to let this year start off with a kick.

Right now, my gut feeling is telling me Crash, Reimu and a League character, in no specific order.

What I'd really want is Nightmare and a combination of two people between;

• Sub-Zero (or any MK rep, really, but Sub is the coolest )
• Doom Slayer
• Octoling
• a Ganon moveset that draws from canon rather than being Captain Falcon's Dad.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Bosses
Mother Brain [Metroid]
Andross(N64 version) [Star Fox]
Arceus [Pokemon]
Porky [Earthbound]
Medusa [Kid Icarus]
Liquid Snake piloting Metal Gear REX [Metal Gear]
Eggman piloting Death Egg Robot [Sonic the Hedgehog]
Dr. Wily piloting Wily Machine [Mega Man]
Safer∙Sephiroth [Final Fantasy]

Echo Fighters
11e. Black Shadow [Captain Falcon]
31e. Liquid Snake [Snake]
32e. Black Knight [Ike]
38e. Shadow [Sonic]
46e. Bass [Megaman]
64e. Octolings [Inklings]

They're bosses in almost every Kirby game. They count, regardless of their motivations.

If the term "villains" is hanging you up, use "antagonists" or "enemies".

There are a lot more potential villains than I initially thought haha.
As for the Kirby characters, I think boss will work. Not entirely sure about “antagonist” as that implies active opposition, when most of they’re fights are either possession, misunderstandings, or a test. Though it is undeniable they are bosses.

 

[Technomage]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

Mine was Krystal.