Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[DarthEnderX]

It wouldn't make sense to release any character other than Monster Hunter in March because of Rise and its own Amiibo line, which is a rarity for a third party series.

Uh huh. And which other DLC pack was released in accordance with a game release? None of them? Well then...

Sephiroth didn't come with amiibo, so I don't think the next character HAS to launch alongside amiibo.

Considering Amiibo are released 3 at a time. It would be impossible for every character to launch alongside Amiibos.

But when Amiibos did launch, a character has been announced around the same time.

 

[Dr. Yatagarasu]

guess what game has its 25th anniversary this year

he's in

 

[Rie Sonomura]

guess what game has its 25th anniversary this year
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[SpecterFlower]

There are a lot more potential villains than I initially thought haha.
As for the Kirby characters, I think boss will work. Not entirely sure about “antagonist” as that implies active opposition, when most of they’re fights are either possession, misunderstandings, or a test. Though it is undeniable they are bosses.

Whihc is why it would be perfect to add dark matter and Zero

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

guess what game has its 25th anniversary this year
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In a way I feel like it'd be funny of Smash to rep the "so bad it's good" games as well. But that's not what Bubsy 3D was, that was the Genesis Bubsy Games.

 

[Aerospherology]

Definitely know its hard to predict who the last three are but to bring more discussion and speculation to the beginning of the New Year. What are everyone's predictions on the final 3 and why?

Just trying to keep things going to let this year start off with a kick.

1. Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney) or Arthur (Ghouls & Goblins)
2. Crash Bandicoot
3. Wild card: Porky Minch (Earthbound), Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik (Sonic), Isaac (Golden Sun), or Lloyd Irving (Tales of)

Reasoning:

1. There are still the MH costumes, but I really don't think the Hunter will happen.
2. Why wouldn't he?
3. I can't choose which, sorry

 

[Guynamednelson]

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Dread it. Run from it. Crappy 3D platforming still arrives all the same. What could pawsibly go wrong?

 

[DarthEnderX]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Simon Belmont.

Follow-up question: Who would your Ballot vote be NOW?

Mine: Ryu Hayabusa

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Which is why it would be perfect to add dark matter and Zero

I agree, I think Dark Matter would make an amazing addition. So many cool things they could do with its moveset.

 

[SpecterFlower]

Pikmin also has it's anniversary in 2021

 

[Dinoman96]

It's hard to believe that the same company that originally made Bubsy 3D went on to create the Syphon Filter series and more recently, Days Gone.

 

[ZelDan]

It's hard to believe that the same company that originally made Bubsy 3D went on to create the Syphon Filter series and more recently, Days Gone.

Everyones gotta start somewhere...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Okami (15 years old)

I can dream...Amaterasu is one of those characters that deserves to be in Smash. That's right I said deserve. Her game is breathtaking and she as a protagonist is kick-ass being a goddess taking on the form of a wolf, one of the most beautiful animals ever.

 

[7NATOR]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

Mine was Shadow the Hedgehog, and I even tried to attack a Whole Moveset (Plus a Google document that had the rest of it), so perhaps it gives the dev team idea

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Regarding the next 3 fighters, so far every character added as DLC (and actually all characters present in Ultimate fit this mold) have had some connection with the Nintendo audience by the time they were chosen

Joker and Cloud didn't have much connection when they were chosen, but Final Fantasy as a Franchise did, and Shin Megami Tensi, the Series that Persona is spun off of, Has great Nintendo History

With Nintendo, Seeing if a Franchise or Character jives with the Nintendo Audience is important for DLC Decision. It's much easier to choose characters that have background data to suggest they are accepted by the Nintendo fans than just hope the Fans would accept something they aren't familiar with

So if they wanted to do Franchises like League or Danganronpa that haven't had experience on Nintendo by the time they were chosen, These last 3 fighters would be the time personally, because with Min-Min being the first character (and she's a Nintendo Character) it might suggest some type of ladder theory where we start to get less and less Nintendo history with the characters.

 

[Louie G.]

Shin Megami Tensi, the Series that Persona is spun off of, Has great Nintendo History

People need to stop using this as justification for Joker tbh. Which is to say Joker justifies himself and doesn't need the Nintendo connection - that's clearly not top priority anymore - but if he really got in because of SMT then they did a piss poor job of showing that.

If SMT was truly a factor in Joker's inclusion then we would at least have some sort of content, via spirits or Mii Costumes / Hats of Jack Frost at the very least. It's very clear that Smash chose Persona, as its own standalone thing. And it makes sense too, Persona 5 is Atlus' biggest game since like... ever. They've been treating Joker and Morgana as their posterchildren and when the prospect of Atlus collaborating with Smash arose I think it's very clear (in retrospect) that Joker would have been their first choice no matter what.

This is coming from someone who would have preferred a SMT character, too. With absolutely zero content in the game its extensive history on Nintendo consoles served no purpose in Joker's inclusion outside of just keeping Atlus relevant to Nintendo for over twenty five years. Persona is its own beast now and didn't need SMT's help.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Have we ever had a newcomer reveal/release that coincides with their series’ anniversary or a new title from their series? The only one I can think of is . I don’t think that CP9 being revealed in March and not being Monster Hunter would be surprising at all. Smash doesn’t care what else is going on. If Sakurai/Nintendo feel it’s time to reveal a new character, they’ll do it whenever they please, regardless of who said character is and whether or not something is happening with their series. It doesn’t have to coincide with anything.

Sephiroth perhaps? Sure he was revealed and released December 2020 but this month and year does mark Final Fantasy VII's 25th anniversary.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Well, if anniversaries matter so much to y'all...

I guess we'll somehow get 28 characters in three slots :^)

3DS - 10 years

Wii - 15 years

MAAAAAAAAN

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Image is smaller than shown. Click on the image itself, Pokémon is there.

no Mention of Falcom's 40 year anniversary

 

[7NATOR]

People need to stop using this as justification for Joker tbh. Which is to say Joker justifies himself and doesn't need the Nintendo connection - that's clearly not top priority anymore - but if he really got in because of SMT then they did a piss poor job of showing that.

If SMT was truly a factor in Joker's inclusion then we would at least have some sort of content, via spirits or Mii Costumes / Hats of Jack Frost at the very least. It's very clear that Smash chose Persona, as its own standalone thing. And it makes sense too, Persona 5 is Atlus' biggest game since like... ever. They've been treating Joker and Morgana as their posterchildren and when the prospect of Atlus collaborating with Smash arose I think it's very clear (in retrospect) that Joker would have been their first choice no matter what.

This is coming from someone who would have preferred a SMT character, too. With absolutely zero content in the game its extensive history on Nintendo consoles served no purpose in Joker's inclusion outside of just keeping Atlus relevant to Nintendo for over twenty five years. Persona is its own beast now and didn't need SMT's help.

I agree that they chose Persona as it's own Standalone thing, but I also think Shin Megami Tensi had a role to play

While Shin Megami Tensi and Persona are different games, they still have their similarities and perhaps sharing of audiences.

Like I said, every character added to Ultimate so far has at least shown to Nintendo that they would jive with the Nintendo Audience. Directly or Indirectly

Joker and Persona is one of the few examples that's more indirect. Shin Megami Tensi has it's fans on Nintendo, and with how Similar in Nature in alot of aspects Persona is, I think it mad Nintendo feel more confident in going with Persona, knowing this sub-series was more popular, but also wouldn't be completely unknown to Nintendo fans due to the audience

At the least, something like Persona has more evidence to back it jiving with Nintendo audiences than something like League, especially with League being an MOBA. That's why I say in regards to something like League, if Nintendo wanted to experiment with a franchise that at the time of choosing, was mostly alien to Nintendo, they do it with these last fighter spots, when usually the "Hype" of the characters tends to die down (not trying to say these characters won't be hype, but the pattern is the more majorly hyped characters are in the beginning or middle)

 

[Mushroomguy12]

3DS - 10 years

Wii - 15 years
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MAAAAAAAAN

All of us right now.

 

[Garteam]

I think it's worth noting that Smash has never celebrated an anniversary with a character before. Most of the time, it's a tournament, spirit event, or (in the case of Mario's 30th) a stage.

This could definitely change, but I wouldn't pay too much attention to anniversaries to make character predictions. Historically, new releases have been the better thing to keep your eye on.

 

[MooMew64]

My ballot vote back in the day was Inkling.

If they did another ballot now, my vote would probably go to Octolings or Waluigi.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I think it's worth noting that Smash has never celebrated an anniversary with a character before. Most of the time, it's a tournament, spirit event, or (in the case of Mario's 30th) a stage.

This could definitely change, but I wouldn't pay too much attention to anniversaries to make character predictions. Historically, new releases have been the better thing to keep your eye on.

They have, but it's not often. Little Mac was revealed on Punch-Out's anniversary, while Sephiroth had his presentation and boss challenge on Final Fantasy's anniversary in Japan.

 

[Speed Weed]

Fantasy Zone - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Release: March 1986

2021 would be Fantasy Zone's 35th

bois

 

[Rie Sonomura]

IF they do another ballot, it'll probably be when DLC is approaching its end.

for the sake of my sanity tho i lowkey hope it doesn't happen cause im not ready for LOL GOKU and ballot drama again

 

[Lamperouge]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

Ridley, because I was an idiot in denial.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Anyways, in terms of the ballot, I voted Bandana Waddle Dee, Shovel Knight, and Wreck-it Ralph

 

[Banado_Boy]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

Chrom. Gave up on him after Corrin’s reveal, only to be pleasantly surprised when he was revealed as an echo fighter in Ultimate.

 

[Louie G.]

I voted for Chorus Kids and K. Rool in the Ballot (on separate devices of course).

IF they do another ballot, it'll probably be when DLC is approaching its end.

for the sake of my sanity tho i lowkey hope it doesn't happen cause im not ready for LOL GOKU and ballot drama again

Maybe it sounds selfish of me, but another ballot is the last thing I want. I have no real problem with a lot of the community favorites but since none of my absolute MW characters fall under that umbrella I don't think it would be of much benefit to me anyway.

But yeah it would just enhance the already limited perspective of the Smash community among the same like, ten characters and create intense competition and even harder campaigning than last time... I'll pass on that. These are all problems we already have as is so I'd rather not have them amped up to 100.

 

[Paraster]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Quote. (Though I vaguely remember almost going for Silver the Hedgehog.)

Follow-up question: Who would your Ballot vote be NOW?

Still Quote.

Definitely know its hard to predict who the last three are but to bring more discussion and speculation to the beginning of the New Year. What are everyone's predictions on the final 3 and why?

Just trying to keep things going to let this year start off with a kick.

I don't have specific predictions, but I feel like we'll see (in no particular order) one last first party, a character who's huge but uncommon in speculation, and a big-name request.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Maybe a ballot is what this sort-of-stuck speculation needs. But that’s like saying a car with a dent needs a molotov.

 

[7NATOR]

I think with Anniversaries, the important relation between Anniversaries and Smash is

1. With Fighter Pass 2, All of the Characters so far have either been revealed or released around an important milestone or event of the franchise. Min-Min was revealed in the same month of ARMS Anniversary (but a few days after), Steve was explicitly tied to Minecon, and Sephiroth was released (through the challenge) and had a showcase on the anniversary of the franchise

So the anniversary could be an indicator of when a Potential Character might be Revealed. However it doesn't say if a character is in or not


2. Depending on the company and franchises, Anniversaries are usually a point where The Franchise will be most relevant

As am Experienced with this franchise, I'll use Sonic as an example. Sega has had Major and/or Iconic Games games on most (if not all) of it's Anniversaries.

10th was Sonic Adventure 2

15th was Sonic 06

20th was Sonic Generations

25th was Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces

Even if it's not released on anniversary year, it's at least revealed there.

The importance of all of this is that if Nintendo knows, and has some evidence that a particular franchise will be very relevant on a anniversary year, that adds to the merits Nintendo has in picking them as a potential DLC Character, because Nintendo would have a good idea that a franchise will be in the eyes of gamers

And this is not a Another Sonic character shill paragraph, was just using it as an example

 

[Louie G.]

Maybe a ballot is what this sort-of-stuck speculation needs. But that’s like saying a car with a dent needs a molotov.

It would just give the people pushing the same circle of "frontrunner" popular requests more ammo. I can't see speculation really evolving in any meaningful way when a ballot would just give more credibility to people who disqualify relatively obscure or unpopular requests in favor of the big fan picks. Imagine what we have now except Geno and Waluigi are back in the running in full force + characters like Crash and Rex dominate discussion even more than they already do.

Follow-up question: Who would your Ballot vote be NOW?

Probably Arle. I'd have to hope her Japanese fanbase comes in clutch, meanwhile if I voted for Chorus Kids again I'd pretty much be throwing that vote away. Sad to admit that but it's true - Rhythm Heaven's best chance lies within Sakurai himself and whether he ever feels like exploring that again.

Realistically none of my MWs would come close to winning the ballot. At least last time I had voted for K. Rool too, but I don't feel that strongly toward any of the current frontrunning fan requests since he and Ridley joined Ultimate.

 

[7NATOR]

I think perhaps Team Fortress 2 will also do really good on the ballot, since recently they've been doing very well on Fan polls

 

[Miles of SmashWiki]

Out of my SSB4 ballot era hopes, several got in (Simon Belmont, King K. Rool, Inkling), a few ended up in the Mii costume or Assist Trophy zone (Lip, Yu Narukami, Shovel Knight), and one of the ones that didn't get any of the above still got in as a spirit at least (Wonder-Red). Phoenix is pretty much my last serious request at this point, and while he's certainly not guaranteed I do think he has a decent shot at it still.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I think perhaps Team Fortress 2 will also do really good on the ballot, since recently they've been doing very well on Fan polls

Characters I imagine would do fairly well in Ballot 2.

Geno
Isaac
Shadow
Waluigi

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Characters I imagine would do fairly well in Ballot 2.

Geno
Isaac
Shadow
Waluigi

Id also say Rex, Gen 8, Ring Fit Trainee and maybe Akira Howard to an extent would dominate the ballot as well

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Id also say Rex, Gen 8, Ring Fit Trainee and maybe Akira Howard to an extent would dominate the ballot as well

There's still a chance for Rex and a Gen 8 though. So don't rule them out yet.

 

[cothero]

I think it's worth noting that Smash has never celebrated an anniversary with a character before. Most of the time, it's a tournament, spirit event, or (in the case of Mario's 30th) a stage.

This could definitely change, but I wouldn't pay too much attention to anniversaries to make character predictions. Historically, new releases have been the better thing to keep your eye on.

Just think how ridiculous it would be the smash team acting like "okay guys, it's 2015 and we decided every character we'll get as DLC on the next smash title. Oh look, DOOM will be in its 20th anniversary in march 2021, so let's release him as Fighter 9 there. Fancy that!"

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I agree that they chose Persona as it's own Standalone thing, but I also think Shin Megami Tensi had a role to play

While Shin Megami Tensi and Persona are different games, they still have their similarities and perhaps sharing of audiences.

Like I said, every character added to Ultimate so far has at least shown to Nintendo that they would jive with the Nintendo Audience. Directly or Indirectly

Joker and Persona is one of the few examples that's more indirect. Shin Megami Tensi has it's fans on Nintendo, and with how Similar in Nature in alot of aspects Persona is, I think it mad Nintendo feel more confident in going with Persona, knowing this sub-series was more popular, but also wouldn't be completely unknown to Nintendo fans due to the audience

At the least, something like Persona has more evidence to back it jiving with Nintendo audiences than something like League, especially with League being an MOBA. That's why I say in regards to something like League, if Nintendo wanted to experiment with a franchise that at the time of choosing, was mostly alien to Nintendo, they do it with these last fighter spots, when usually the "Hype" of the characters tends to die down (not trying to say these characters won't be hype, but the pattern is the more majorly hyped characters are in the beginning or middle)

.......You know what? I think I prefer the people who use Persona Q2 as an explanation for Joker than whatever it is you just said.