Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Adding onto this previous post of mine, the date provided is March 1986.

According to Amiibo Theory, one of the next release windows for a character is estimated to be March.

i think we have our cp9

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Simon Belmont.

Follow-up question: Who would your Ballot vote be NOW?

Mine: Ryu Hayabusa

I used to vote for Banjo & Kazooie.

Now I'd vote for...

Sgt. Cortez! Time To Split!

 

[SvartWolf]

So with the New Year coming to an end in a half hour (At least in the west). I wanted to ask everyone who their Ballot vote was?

Mine was King K. Rool.

I voted 3 times from 3 different IPs, and were 2 for simon belmont and one for Ridley. So... That ended well. Even though I haven't got a single pick in DLC... The fact that my most wanted are already in have helped me greatly enjoy this dlcs

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If the character is part of the pass and there's a opportunity where they could conveniently line up the anniversary with the character's reveal, they might do it.

Regardless, people are paying way too much attention to anniversaries. I doubt any character has ever gotten in Smash simply because of an anniversary. It's a ridiculous way to choose your characters.

My thoughts exactly.

Anniversaries barely matters in reveals or release anyway, so why is it something people always seem to go for when thinking of frontrunners?

 

[7NATOR]

.......You know what? I think I prefer the people who use Persona Q2 as an explanation for Joker than whatever it is you just said.

I just said Shin Megami Tensi helped, but it wasn't the only reason they went for Persona. they went for Persona on it's own merits and perhaps as a relations booster with Atlus, but I think Shin Megami Tensi showing there is an audience for Persona is something that is also considered.

Might I ask what your stance is on this?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I just said Shin Megami Tensi helped, but it wasn't the only reason they went for Persona. they went for Persona on it's own merits and perhaps as a relations booster with Atlus, but I think Shin Megami Tensi showing there is an audience for Persona is something that is also considered.

Might I ask what your stance is on this?

Persona started as a Shin Megami Tensei spin-off, so yeah, Persona literally wouldn't have existed without SMT.

But that's that the extent of the role SMT had in getting Persona in Smash. Persona earned the right to be in Smash all on its own like a big boy, specifically 5 because most of the content, including the entire Spirit Board and even the franchise icon, are from that game.

So your argument is basically the equivalent of saying Isaac Newton's dad discovered gravity because he created the guy who actually did it.

 

[Perkilator]

Follow-up question: Who would your Ballot vote be NOW?

Sora and Crash

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Also, I'm kinda starting to wonder if 7NATOR is just someone looking for attention because whenever we reply to his crazy stuff, he just hands out likes.

Maybe we should experiement that by trying to not say much about whatever crazy theory he has next in store?

I know it sounds impossible because his theories are so crazy his tinfoil hat wears a tinfoil hat and that tinfoil hat also wears a top hat... that's made of tinfoil, but I kinda wonder what would happen if we ignored him for just one theory

 

[cothero]

I know this is a repeatedly discussed matter here, but does an assist trophy character promotion as DLC makes any sense?...

Let's use an hypothetical exemple: Shadow wasn't added as a fighter in the base game due to time constrictions and then they decided to add him as an AT, to be released as a full playble fighter later in the fighter pass. The point is, if he was good enough to be considered a fighter, why put him as an AT anyways at first place?...

 

[Technomage]

Follow-up question: Who would your Ballot vote be NOW?

Hmmmm, who would I change my Ballot to, if we get a new one? I might keep my vote on Krystal, but I'm not completely sure; I might be willing to vote for either Freddy Fazbear or Squall Leonhart.

 

[Slime Master]

Also, I'm kinda starting to wonder if 7NATOR is just someone looking for attention because whenever we reply to his crazy stuff, he just hands out likes.

Maybe we should experiement that by trying to not say much about whatever crazy theory he has next in store?

I know it sounds impossible because his theories are so crazy his tinfoil hat wears a tinfoil hat and that tinfoil hat also wears a top hat... that's made of tinfoil, but I kinda wonder what would happen if we ignored him for just one theory

TBH I tend to hand out likes when someone provides a solid counterargument to my points b/c I feel like I learned something from it. So I think some of that is justified.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Also, I'm kinda starting to wonder if 7NATOR is just someone looking for attention because whenever we reply to his crazy stuff, he just hands out likes.

Maybe we should experiement that by trying to not say much about whatever crazy theory he has next in store?

I know it sounds impossible because his theories are so crazy his tinfoil hat wears a tinfoil hat and that tinfoil hat also wears a top hat... that's made of tinfoil, but I kinda wonder what would happen if we ignored him for just one theory

Can we please not single people out? The dude likes to speculate much like the rest of us. Why is that such a crime?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I know this is a repeatedly discussed matter here, but does an assist trophy character promotion as DLC makes any sense?...

Let's use an hypothetical exemple: Shadow wasn't added as a fighter in the base game due to time constriction and then they decided to add him as an AT, to be released as a full playble fighter later in the fighter pass. I mean, if he was good enough to be considered a fighter, why put him as an AT at first place?...

The way I see it, Fighter's Pass 2 being decided after the game's launch could imply it's treated similarly as the lineup of a whole new game; no restraints as long as a character is possible.

Saying no to a character because they're a png or have a NPC presence in the game's stages already feels like a ****ty way to deny a character, imo.

So an AT promotion is definitely on the table if Sakurai and the IP owners are down for it. And that's what it boils down to; if the people involved agree with it.

 

[Technomage]

I know this is a repeatedly discussed matter here, but does an assist trophy character promotion as DLC makes any sense?...

Let's use an hypothetical exemple: Shadow wasn't added as a fighter in the base game due to time constriction and then they decided to add him as an AT, to be released as a full playble fighter later in the fighter pass. I mean, if he was good enough to be considered a fighter, why put him as an AT at first place?...

Well, there's no confirmation about Assists being barred from DLC. So yes, it does make sense.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

TBH I tend to hand out likes when someone provides a solid counterargument to my points b/c I feel like I learned something from it. So I think some of that is justified.

Can we please not single people out? The dude likes to speculate much like the rest of us. Why is that such a crime?

Very fair points, honestly.

But I'll do it if he does another thing that's on par with "Shadow is a frontrunner because he could be in Bayo 3" thing because that's beyond ridiculous, imo.

 

[cashregister9]

Simon Belmont.

Follow-up question: Who would your Ballot vote be NOW?

Mine: Ryu Hayabusa

In the original Ballot I think I voted for Inkling and Monokuma (On 2 different Computers)

Today I would no doubt vote for Estelle or Phoenix Wright (Estelle because I want her, Phoenix because he actually has a chance of winning.)

 

[SharkLord]

I know this is a repeatedly discussed matter here, but does an assist trophy character promotion as DLC makes any sense?...

Let's use an hypothetical exemple: Shadow wasn't added as a fighter in the base game due to time constriction and then they decided to add him as an AT, to be released as a full playble fighter later in the fighter pass. I mean, if he was good enough to be considered a fighter, why put him as an AT at first place?...

Simple: They didn't realize they'd be doing FP2 when they decided the Assist Trophies, so they couldn't be taken into account. ATs were a consolation for not being able to become playable, so they're still present even if they're not one of the fighters. Now that there's post-launch DLC, they can go back and make ATs into fighters, since there's more time to properly fill out their content.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Also, I'm kinda starting to wonder if 7NATOR is just someone looking for attention because whenever we reply to his crazy stuff, he just hands out likes.

Maybe we should experiement that by trying to not say much about whatever crazy theory he has next in store?

I know it sounds impossible because his theories are so crazy his tinfoil hat wears a tinfoil hat and that tinfoil hat also wears a top hat... that's made of tinfoil, but I kinda wonder what would happen if we ignored him for just one theory

...My dude, if it peeves you this much, the ignore button is your friend. Or you can just not answer. Not trying to be snarky here, it's just that this kind of thing is just uncalled for.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I know this is a repeatedly discussed matter here, but does an assist trophy character promotion as DLC makes any sense?...

Let's use an hypothetical exemple: Shadow wasn't added as a fighter in the base game due to time constrictions and then they decided to add him as an AT, to be released as a full playble fighter later in the fighter pass. The point is, if he was good enough to be considered a fighter, why put him as an AT anyways at first place?...

That's why there's two camps on this


A: Assists have pretty much always been seen as consolation prizes, and as much as people like to pretend to, they're not direct insults. It's not 'they cannot be playable because they are Assists', but it's 'they are Assists because they could not be playable'.


B: Assists were done during the base game's development and after the roster was finalized, but theoretically speaking, there's nothing stopping them from promoting an AT, especially as there's already coding in place to make sure certain ATs can't appear in certain circumstances.

 

[Technomage]

That's why there's two camps on this


A: Assists have pretty much always been seen as consolation prizes, and as much as people like to pretend to, they're not direct insults. It's not 'they cannot be playable because they are Assists', but it's 'they are Assists because they could not be playable'.


B: Assists were done during the base game's development and after the roster was finalized, but theoretically speaking, there's nothing stopping them from promoting an AT, especially as there's already coding in place to make sure certain ATs can't appear in certain circumstances.

Well, I don't think we'd even need to disable specific ATs just because a character is already playing; you can have both Chrom and Robin playing in the same game and the former will still appear in the latter's Final Smash (even if it's being performed on the former).

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

...My dude, if it peeves you this much, the ignore button is your friend. Or you can just not answer. Not trying to be snarky here, it's just that this kind of thing is just uncalled for.

True, but I hate using the ignore button because "they say crazy stuff I don't jive with"

I usually keep it for people who genuinely piss me off or actively make my life **** by bullying me (the latter of which having only happened on Discord, but point still stands)

 

[cothero]

Well, there's no confirmation about Assists being barred from DLC. So yes, it does make sense.

It obviously doesn't absolutely deconfirm any AT to be upgraded to DLC, but wouldn't make much more sense to hold a character until be added as DLC instead of releasing it as an AT in the base game? It doesn't make any ****ing sense!

 

[Technomage]

It obviously doesn't absolutely deconfirm any AT to be upgraded to DLC, but wouldn't make much more sense to hold a character until be added as DLC instead of releasing it as an AT in the base game? It doesn't make any ****ing sense!

Well, as discussed earlier, FP2's was being decided on AFTER the base game was finished (I don't know about FP1, though). So, maybe Sakurai and Friends changed their mind about having an AT char not be playable?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well, as discussed earlier, FP2's was being decided on AFTER the base game was finished (I don't know about FP1, though). So, maybe Sakurai and Friends changed their mind about having an AT char not be playable?

FP1's lineup was said to have been finalized in November 2018 shortly after that Direct, so yeah, it was decided during base game development.

 

[cothero]

Well, as discussed earlier, FP2's was being decided on AFTER the base game was finished (I don't know about FP1, though). So, maybe Sakurai and Friends changed their mind about having AT chars not being playable?

Not saying i wouldn't want that to happen though. God, i'd love to see Shadow, Knuckles, Bomberman or Alucard as playable fighters.

 

[metalhydra273]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

 

[Technomage]

Not saying i wouldn't want that to happen tough. God, i'd love to see Shadow, Knucles, Bomberman or Alucard as playable fighters.

True; I was just answering your question about adding a char as an AT in the base game, then adding it to the DLC roster later on and offering a possible explanation for it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Well, I don't think we'd even need to disable specific ATs just because a character is already playing; you can have both Chrom and Robin playing in the same game and the former will still appear in the latter's Final Smash (even if it's being performed on the former).

There's a significant difference between having Chrom as a character and Chrom as a Final Smash onscreen and say, Alucard as a character and as an AT. Final Smash Chrom only ever does 1 specific thing in a specific situation, what happens when Alucard's P1 with the default look on the field and AT Alucard pops up with P1 on top of him as P1 summoned him? All the players get confused which is the character and which the AT. Disabling the AT is a lot easier for players and as the devs already disable ATs in specific situations, it's easy for them to do

 

[Rie Sonomura]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Isaac, Krystal, Yuri Kozukata, Alucard, uhhhhh Ashley

Skimping on Spring Man cause Min Min does what he does but better imo

 

[7NATOR]

I know this is a repeatedly discussed matter here, but does an assist trophy character promotion as DLC makes any sense?...

Let's use an hypothetical exemple: Shadow wasn't added as a fighter in the base game due to time constrictions and then they decided to add him as an AT, to be released as a full playble fighter later in the fighter pass. The point is, if he was good enough to be considered a fighter, why put him as an AT anyways at first place?...

Glad you Asked

Regarding Shadow and his Assist, I have a whole section on this in my "Case for Shadow" Essay, which you can find in my Signature

But Pretty much, Shadow is a Veteran Assist Trophy, as he's been an assist Since Brawl, where the idea debuted

In that case, there's some evidence to point towards Fighter Pass 2 not being a sure thing in the future. There was a possiblity that Fighter Pass 1 was all we were gonna get, and they perhaps save the FP2 Characters for next game

If Shadow was planned to be in FP2 (so they removed his Assist), but Fighter Pass 2 doesn't happen, then he would have just lost his assist in the game. Shadow would just be a Spirit

Keep in mind that unlike the playable characters, not every assist returned from Brawl and Smash 4. Some assists like Saki, Magnus, and Tingle got cut (though Saki got a Mii Costume). They were seen as not enough Priority to bring their assists back, when there were more popular characters or new additions to bring to the assist table

Hypothetically, if someone were to follow the Assist rule just because they have an assist, Characters like Saki, Magnus, and Tingle would be more likely than Shadow, despite the fact they couldn't even have their assists return. I personally don't think that makes logical sense

Persona started as a Shin Megami Tensei spin-off, so yeah, Persona literally wouldn't have existed without SMT.

But that's that the extent of the role SMT had in getting Persona in Smash. Persona earned the right to be in Smash all on its own like a big boy, specifically 5 because most of the content, including the entire Spirit Board and even the franchise icon, are from that game.

So your argument is basically the equivalent of saying Isaac Newton's dad discovered gravity because he created the guy who actually did it.

That's what I mostly said though, Persona earned the right on it's own to be in Smash, but I do personally think Nintendo would be more apprehensive if Shin Megami Tensi wasn't on Nintendo because Nintendo would have less background data on how Persona jives with Nintendo Audiences

And as for me just craving attention...well I do think Attention feels good, I'd by lying if I said it didn't feel good or anything, but That's not the main reason I'm here. I just like to Speculate about the game. I also like it when people provide counter arguments and their own look at things. It expands the mind and such like that

I don't think Most people on here like to feel ignored. As for all the theories I come up with, I just like sharing potential Speculation. I can't just keep it in my head and let it be.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Shovel Knight, Shadow, Knuckles (yeah, three Sonic reps, so what?), Bomberman, Ghirahim.

 

[cashregister9]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Tiki, Ashley, Shadow, Midna, Krystal.

 

[Technomage]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Okay, let's see. I'd pick Krystal, Zero, Gray Fox, Tiki, and Dr. Wily.

 

[Munchi]

See what Doom's twitter has shared

happy new horizons pic.twitter.com/BwjwtJkpLh

— DOOM (@DOOM) January 1, 2021

 

[Fishbunjin is cool]

Adding onto this previous post of mine, the date provided is March 1986.

According to Amiibo Theory, one of the next release windows for a character is estimated to be March.

i think we have our cp9

Opa-Opa? Odd

But piranha Plant was my main so i'd definitely main Opa-Opa.
Anyways, My new predictions.

• DARK SOULS and DIABLO will get content. i don't know what type of content but i predict content from those two franchises will get in.
• Monster Hunter Rise's protagonist may get in.
• Ghosts n' Goblins spirit event.
• The doc is real. Crash will be revealed at E3.
• Rex and Pyra are in.

Those are just my predictions. Happy New Year

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That's what I mostly said though, Persona earned the right on it's own to be in Smash, but I do personally think Nintendo would be more apprehensive if Shin Megami Tensi wasn't on Nintendo because Nintendo would have less background data on how Persona jives with Nintendo Audiences

If SMT had any influence on their desicion, you'd think we'd actually get SMT content, right? But the most we got is the franchise's name being dropped on the Aria of the Soul remake simply because it was part of the first Persona game's title.

No, it's definitely because Persona 5 was a huge surprise hit that put the franchise into the mainstream, to the point where there are people who think SMT is the spin-off to Persona. None of that "Nintendo wouldn't be okay with Persona if SMT wasn't on Nintendo" stuff because having that mindset devalues the impact Persona 5 had.

 

[Technomage]

There's a significant difference between having Chrom as a character and Chrom as a Final Smash onscreen and say, Alucard as a character and as an AT. Final Smash Chrom only ever does 1 specific thing in a specific situation, what happens when Alucard's P1 with the default look on the field and AT Alucard pops up with P1 on top of him as P1 summoned him? All the players get confused which is the character and which the AT. Disabling the AT is a lot easier for players and as the devs already disable ATs in specific situations, it's easy for them to do

You do bring up a good point. Plus, the confusion part made me chuckle a bit.

 

[Arcadenik]

My thoughts exactly.

Anniversaries barely matters in reveals or release anyway, so why is it something people always seem to go for when thinking of frontrunners?

Probably because that’s how it was like in Smash 4.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Alucard, Isaac, Knuckles, Black Knight (Switch with Corrin) and Krystal METH

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Probably because that’s how it was like in Smash 4.

Little Mac was the only case of a newcomer being timed with an anniversary. And even then, I can argue it's a coincidence since nothing else in the Direct he was revealed in had any Punch-Out content whatsoever, and holding out an entire Direct because a single trailer would be timed with an anniversary is crazy, imo.

Linking to anniversaries was a practice that was used to reveal returning veterans though, iirc.