Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[metalhydra273]

i think we have our cp9

broke: predicting Capcom for March
woke:

 

[cothero]

Alucard, Isaac, Knuckles, Black Knight (Switch with Corrin) and Krystal METH

Remember, Smash Bros. is for good boys and girls.



Crack is healthier.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Waluigi
Isaac
Krystal
Ashley
Lyn

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Little Mac was the only case of a newcomer being timed with an anniversary. And even then, I can argue it's a coincidence since nothing else in the Direct he was revealed in had any Punch-Out content whatsoever, and holding out an entire Direct because a single trailer would be timed with an anniversary is crazy, imo.

Linking to anniversaries was a practice that was used to reveal returning veterans though, iirc.

i do know the reason Captain Falcon was in Robin & Lucina's trailer was cuz Jul 14 was the JP anniversary of F-Zero X... what other cases were there aside from that tho?

 

[SKX31]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

• Waluigi
• Krystal
• Ashley
• Saki (Past ATs count right?)
• Of course, Pong. Nintendo themselves may be using Color TV Game 15, but practically everyone thinks of it as Pong, and I want that in just to see what kind of insane moveset would result from two rectangles and a square.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Shovel Knight
Waluigi
Lyn
Eevee (Pokeballs count, right?)
Takamaru

 

[Technomage]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

After giving my list of 5 ATs, I'd like to expand your topic with this question for everyone here:

If you could promote 1 Pokeball Mon to playable status in DLC, who would you pick?

I'd pick Gardevoir, Metagross, or Genesect.

 

[Lamperouge]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

• Lyn
• Shovel Knight
• Alucard
• Zero
• Bomberman

 

[SpectreJordan]

I know this is a repeatedly discussed matter here, but does an assist trophy character promotion as DLC makes any sense?...

Let's use an hypothetical exemple: Shadow wasn't added as a fighter in the base game due to time constrictions and then they decided to add him as an AT, to be released as a full playble fighter later in the fighter pass. The point is, if he was good enough to be considered a fighter, why put him as an AT anyways at first place?...

It’s definitely possible that an AT could be made into a fighter. But I think that ATs are characters the team wrote off for one reason or another, at least for Ultimate. I feel an AT promotion in Ultimate would need a lot of fan support like with Waluigi’s outcry.

Or perhaps a lot of push from the company who owns the character; like theoretically Nintendo making a new Golden Sun & then telling Sakurai to add Isaac.

All the ATs have a major uphill battle & I don’t really see any of them as likely. If we did get one, my money would be on Waluigi. The reaction to him being “trophied” was pretty big, big enough to reach Reggie & I assume other higher ups.

 

[Arcanir]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

-Lyn/Black Knight
-Dillon
-Alucard
-Zero
-Bomberman

For one Pokemon promotion: Genesect.

 

[SpectreJordan]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Waluigi, Isaac, Lyn, Shovel Knight & Knuckles.

Shovel Knight would be so much fun. But I’m honestly just glad he’s here at all, though some music from his game would’ve been nice.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Adding onto this previous post of mine, the date provided is March 1986.

According to Amiibo Theory, one of the next release windows for a character is estimated to be March.

i think we have our cp9

Makes sense.
SEGA most famous output is their arcade stuff and Opa-Opa is the perfect rep for that outside of Ryo. A character that can rep everything including Space Harrier, Puyo Puyo, HOTD, Virtua Fighter, Altered Beast, Outrun, Shinobi, hell throw in some Master System stuff like Alex Kidd and Phantasy Star and it makes sense.

I bet Yuji Masubuchi (The Pacman Block Party arranger) would be down with doing a remix since he's already done so before.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

• Waluigi
• Lyn
• Zero
• Alucard
• Isaac

Pretty popular characters and I think they'd be received well overall.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm still hoping that Impa can become playable honestly.

 

[SpectreJordan]

This conveniently just popped up on my feed. Pretty relevant to the conversation lmao

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My 5 ATs would be Alucard, Shovel Knight, Zero, Lyn and Black Knight

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick.

1. Chain Chomp
2. Ghosts
3. Color TV-Game 15
4. Flies & Hand
5. Moon

EDIT: My taste is unmatched.

 

[Perkilator]

Here's a nice little game:

If you could have ANYTHING put into Smash Ultimate in 2021.
What would you add to the game? pic.twitter.com/iVCHrb6K5s

— ToFuHLG (@tofuHLG) January 1, 2021

I'd personally add

1. Crash as a Fighter
2. Sora as a Fighter
3. A proper All-Star
4. Garden of Assemblage in WoL, where you can fight every boss in WoL for the best times in the following ways:
   • Tackle each one individually at your own leisure
   • Take on all of them at once in a proper boss rush
5. Spirit Events for:
   • Dead Rising
   • The World Ends with You
   • Angry Birds
   • Captain Commando

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

i do know the reason Captain Falcon was in Robin & Lucina's trailer was cuz Jul 14 was the JP anniversary of F-Zero X... what other cases were there aside from that tho?

Looking into it...

• Diddy was revealed the day Tropical Freeze released internationally
• Toon Link on the Japanese release of Wind Waker HD
• Olimar on the Japanese release of Pikmin 3
• Ike on the NA anniversary of FE: Sacred Stones
• Captain Falcon on the JP anniversary of F-Zero X like you said
• Dedede being on the Japanese release of Triple Deluxe
• Lucario on the JP anniversary of Brawl
• Luigi on the exact day the Year of Luigi started
• Peach being timed with the NA anniversary of the first SMB game
• ZSS on the EU anniversary of Zero Mission
• Zelda on the JP release on A Link Between Worlds
• Marth getting a quadruple whammy by his reveal week being timed with the anniversary week of four FE games; NA Blazing Blade, EU Sacred Stones and Path of Radiance and finally, NA Radiant Dawn

Not all of these are anniversaries, a good chunk of these actually being timed with game releases rather than anniversaries, and I may have forgotten some too, but point is that veterans got that treatment for Smash 4, not newcomers.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Here's a nice little game:

If you could have ANYTHING put into Smash Ultimate in 2021.
What would you add to the game? pic.twitter.com/iVCHrb6K5s

— ToFuHLG (@tofuHLG) January 1, 2021

I'd personally add

1. Crash as a Fighter
2. Sora as a Fighter
3. A proper All-Star
4. Garden of Assemblage in WoL, where you can fight every boss in WoL for the best times in the following ways:
   • Tackle each one individually at your own leisure
   • Take on all of them at once in a proper boss rush
5. Spirit Events for:
   • Dead Rising
   • The World Ends with You
   • Angry Birds
   • Captain Commando

Fighters:
Amaterasu/Phoenix Wright
Crash Bandicoot
Elma

Fighters (Echos):
Black Shadow ()
Dixie Kong ()
Medusa ()
Octoling ()

Modes:
All-Star Mode
Boss Rush
Board the Platfroms
Break the Targets
World of Light Extension (Notably more story and cutscenes)

 

[Perkilator]

Here's a screen I was hoping to see as the background of Sephiroth's Spirit Board:

 

[Paraster]

If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick.

Shovel Knight
Isaac
Zero
Krystal
Keldeo or Snivy

Here's a nice little game:

If you could have ANYTHING put into Smash Ultimate in 2021.
What would you add to the game? pic.twitter.com/iVCHrb6K5s

— ToFuHLG (@tofuHLG) January 1, 2021

See the following:

Setting aside the obvious of "add characters I want"...

• A platforming-focused Melee-styled adventure mode.
• Assist Trophies based on franchises added in DLC (Creeper, for example).
• More spirits based on currently-unrepresented properties (other Final Fantasy games included).
• Re-add certain cut stages (Rainbow Road and Pac-Maze come to mind).
• Additional songs. I'd like more tracks from Undertale, as well as music from Shovel Knight, No More Heroes, Cave Story, and TWEWY (assuming none of these become fighters, in which case their music is inevitable anyway).
• SOMETHING representing Porky (properly, not just the Absolutely Safe Capsule as a joke), whether it be a spirit, his boss fight, or him as a character.
• I'm fine with spirits replacing trophies, but bringing back the descriptions would be great.

In addition:

• Fighters: Quote, Frisk, Heavy, Neku
• Costumes: Cadence, the Knight, Reimu, Hat Kid, Zetterburn, Kaeru

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Has anyone noticed this strange pattern for Fighting game characters? We’ve got one for each iteration of Smash content since 4s DLC.
Smash 4 DLC- Ryu
Smash Ultimate Base- Ken
Fighter Pass 1- Terry
Fighter Pass 2- Min Min
I’m not saying this actually means anything, but I do find it interesting.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Has anyone noticed this strange pattern for Fighting game characters? We’ve got one for each iteration of Smash content since 4s DLC.
Smash 4 DLC- Ryu
Smash Ultimate Base- Ken
Fighter Pass 1- Terry
Fighter Pass 2- Min Min
I’m not saying this actually means anything, but I do find it interesting.

Wouldn't Cloud and Sephiroth also count because of Dissidia?

And by extension Mega Man due to MAHVEL!?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Wouldn't Cloud and Sephiroth also count because of Dissidia?

And by extension Mega Man due to MAHVEL!?

No. They represent their home series, not the spin-offs and guest appearances.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Here's a nice little game:

If you could have ANYTHING put into Smash Ultimate in 2021.
What would you add to the game? pic.twitter.com/iVCHrb6K5s

— ToFuHLG (@tofuHLG) January 1, 2021

I mean, I answered a similar question recently and the answer there pretty much applies to this as well.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Wouldn't Cloud and Sephiroth also count because of Dissidia?

And by extension Mega Man due to MAHVEL!?

Not really. They were added because of Mega Mans famous platformers and FF7s iconic RPG. They weren’t picked because they had a role in a spin off game.

 

[Technomage]

Here's a nice little game:

If you could have ANYTHING put into Smash Ultimate in 2021.
What would you add to the game? pic.twitter.com/iVCHrb6K5s

— ToFuHLG (@tofuHLG) January 1, 2021

I'd personally add

1. Crash as a Fighter
2. Sora as a Fighter
3. A proper All-Star
4. Garden of Assemblage in WoL, where you can fight every boss in WoL for the best times in the following ways:
   • Tackle each one individually at your own leisure
   • Take on all of them at once in a proper boss rush
5. Spirit Events for:
   • Dead Rising
   • The World Ends with You
   • Angry Birds
   • Captain Commando

I'd pick:

Boss Rush
More Bosses
Able to fight any boss at anytime
Dialogue for Dracula
Daisy, Dark Samus, Richter, and Chrom as semi-echoes (either that, or none of those 4 (especially Chrom, because he's yet another Marth archtype) in the roster at all)
Smash Run (with more enemies)
An easier-to-navigate World Map for Adventure Mode (including the ability to place your character on a specific space just by clicking on it with a cursor)
Proper All-Star Mode
Dedicated servers (meaning no more lag)
Krystal as a playable character
Slippy as a playable character with a joke moveset
Squall as a playable character
Bubsy as a playable character with a joke moveset
Freddy Fazbear as a playable character
A 2nd version of Ganon with a non-Falcondorf moveset, as a playable character
Gerudo Armor as one of Link's costumes
Cloudette as one of Cloud's costumes
Dragon Kazooie as one of Banjo-Kazooie's costumes
Sofia as one of the Dragon Quester's alts.
Either a new Side B or a new Down B for Sonic (specifically, a move that isn't yet another Spin Dash)
Bowser and the Kongs with their canon voices
Justin Bailey as one of Zero Suit Samus's costumes
Biker alts for the Mario Princesses

 

[shinhed-echi]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Knuckles or Shadow
Takamaru
Isaac
Shovel Knight
Zero

 

[ZelDan]

My 5 AT promotions would easily be:

Isaac
Shovel Knight
Zero
Alucard
Lyn

 

[SKX31]

Here's a nice little game:

If you could have ANYTHING put into Smash Ultimate in 2021.
What would you add to the game? pic.twitter.com/iVCHrb6K5s

— ToFuHLG (@tofuHLG) January 1, 2021

Okay, so I'll set aside the characters I want as well and start with the online (oh boy):

• Rollback netcode. Goes without saying really.
• More consistent online functionality and customization - side modes like Squad Strikes and even Home Run contest / other modes like Break the Targets could be good in an online environment.
• The option to set the Quickplay rules to "Only matchup with (very similar / the same) rules" in addition to "Preferred Rules". One can keep Preferred Rules if the former option's there too.
• An overhaul of the GSP system - if you're gonna keep it that is - so it doesn't reward flagrant rules like S-flag spam as much as it currently does.
• Some more adjustments to Arenas, like Arena lobbies being able to run multiple Rings (matches) simultaneously.
• Improvements to the reporting and punishment system - especially notifying the reporter if the reported has recieved a punishment for lag-switching etc.
• More consistent tournaments, and tournament options. An in-game double elimination system (which the competitive scene uses) is long overdue.
• Spectate mode overhaul so it more closely resembles its Smash 4 counterpart.

And that's just the online. Other stuff:

• Expanded World of Light or separated Mini-Subspace chapters, with lets say 7-8 characters to choose from per chapter and a boss.
• Boss Rush
• The return of Break the Targets / Board the Platforms.
• The return of items like the Fan (no really).
• Some additional Spirits and songs from unrepresented franchises.
• More alternate / Mii costumes, perhaps with their own particle effects.

 

[TerminatorLOL]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Shadow, Shovel Knight, Krystal, Bomberman, Skull Kid.

 

[Goombaic]

My assist promotions would be Shovel Knight, Skull Kid, and Midna for sure. Waluigi and Takamaru would be nice as well. As for a Pokemon promotion, Wobbuffet (unless we're only counting those in Ultimate, in which case, Scizor).

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Upgrade 5 Assists, hard to pick just 5.

• Alucard
• Skull Kid
• Waluigi
• Issac
• Shovel Knight

 

[ShrimpScampi]

well maybe we can do another thing with this discussion (even though it'll prob be like the same 7 something characters or so)
If you could pick 5 assist trophies to become full characters without impeding on dlc slots who would you pick. Without much thought I'd prob say something like Shadow, Isaac, Bomberman, Zero, and Waluigi

Isaac, Lyn, Bomberman, Zero, and Shovel Knight would be my five AT promotions.

also bring Jill & the Drill Dozer back as an Assist Trophy plz, that game was a lot of fun

 

[ROBnWatch]

Here's a nice little game:

If you could have ANYTHING put into Smash Ultimate in 2021.
What would you add to the game? pic.twitter.com/iVCHrb6K5s

— ToFuHLG (@tofuHLG) January 1, 2021

I'd personally add

1. Crash as a Fighter
2. Sora as a Fighter
3. A proper All-Star
4. Garden of Assemblage in WoL, where you can fight every boss in WoL for the best times in the following ways:
   • Tackle each one individually at your own leisure
   • Take on all of them at once in a proper boss rush
5. Spirit Events for:
   • Dead Rising
   • The World Ends with You
   • Angry Birds
   • Captain Commando

-Boss Rush Mode
-Break The Targets
-My 4 most wanted characters
-Final Smash Spirits to replace the Final Smash trophies from previous games. I know it sounds weird, but I enjoyed getting those trophies as All Star mode rewards. I would make each of them only equippable by the character that uses that Final Smash. Each of them would either charge up FS meter quicker, suddenly give you your FS, or just buff your FS in some way.
-I guess to unlock the above Spirits, you’d need a proper All Star mode. Though I’d just use Boss Rush mode as the unlock condition for them instead. Take your pick though. I’m personally not too upset about the lack of a proper All Star, though I also don’t use the new variant.

 

[Ivander]

Here's a nice little game:

If you could have ANYTHING put into Smash Ultimate in 2021.
What would you add to the game? pic.twitter.com/iVCHrb6K5s

— ToFuHLG (@tofuHLG) January 1, 2021

-Smash Run, with most mooks returning from the 3DS version, alongside some new ones, and new events during Smash Run that make you fight against some Assist Trophies, and some Bosses like Rathalos, Galleom, Giga Bowser and Ganon, Spirits replace Equipment from the 3DS/Wii U version.
-A new Settings option for Smash Run that will allow you to choose the end game, can turn on or off Events, can choose which events or enemies that will appear during Smash Run, and to choose how much time Smash Run goes on for.
-Some Spirits get Mooks from Smash Run added to their match, forcing the player to fight both the fighter(s) and mooks.
-Boss Select mode that allows you to fight with any fighter.
-A few new Platforming levels in World of Light that have you fight against Mooks in a Get to the End-like fashion, kinda like Cuphead's Platforming levels.
-Some new Costumes for existing characters.

 

[toonito]

my top 5 AT promotions

Guile, Zero, Ghirahim, Bomberman, Waluigi

 

[EricTheGamerman]

If I had to make 5 Assist Trophy promotions they'd be:

Shovel Knight
Akira from Virtua Fighter (Seriously underrated pick)
Bomberman
Alucard
Isaac

 

[cothero]

I'm still hoping that Impa can become playable honestly.

For some reason, i thought for sure she was a shoo-in back in Smash 4.