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DASHIZWIZ vs M2K/vs COLBOL/vs CORT/vs CAVEMAN/vs XELIC 7/18/08
- Thread starter Life After Death
- Start date
boss8
Smash Hero
if u were good and getting paid...im sure u'd play it as well...
10wtfbossistoogoodatsmash
TheManaLord
Smash Hero
brawl is the money
people like chillin and cort are doing it for the money
because theyre fat
yes i use personal insults because i cant create a good argument
they suck at life because they like brawl and not melee because they are greedy people +fat
people like chillin and cort are doing it for the money
because theyre fat
yes i use personal insults because i cant create a good argument
they suck at life because they like brawl and not melee because they are greedy people +fat
boss8
Smash Hero
whats wrong with fat guys??? (looks in the mirror O_O)
chillindude829
Smash Master
No I actually do think Brawl takes more intelligence. Since everyone is at the same level in terms of techskill (since it's so easy), there has to be something that separates the people who keep winning from the people who don't, right? Maybe you guys would have a better argument if Brawl results were wildly inconsistent or something, but they're very consistent, so if Brawl requires no intelligence (and we already know it requires no tech skill), then why do the same people keep winning? Shouldn't it be a tossup?
ManaLord I'm not fat anymore get with the times son
ManaLord I'm not fat anymore get with the times son
Eggm
Smash Hero
I have no problem if people play brawl for money.. Its just when they say it takes more intelligence to win in brawl than melee. Btw, I'm not saying brawl takes no intelligence, but saying that it takes more than melee is just naive. It has less mindgames. It has less tech skill but that doesn't mean it has MORE mindgames or takes more intelligence to win. No matter how much tech skill you have you still need good mindgames or you'll get rocked. Otherwise silent wolf would be winning every tournament. Melee has more options for creating mindgames and situations that trick your opponent or trick them into being in a disadvantageous position. Yeah, you do need tech skill to punish harder once you initially trick that opponent in melee and some people may be better than that than others but thats a good thing. Being rewarded for practicing is like.. fun. lol.
chillindude829
Smash Master
Melee has more offensive options, Brawl has more defensive options. Doesn't mean Melee requires more intelligence.
Eggm
Smash Hero
Melee has more options regardless of what your doing. Defensive offensive spacing ledge camping projectile camping it has more options for all of that because its not as limited and watered down as brawl is. If you wanted to run away shield a lot camp the ledge and stuff it was harder to do and you had more options to do it with in melee. You could waveland off platforms while running, do invincible ariels off the edge and re grab to make some one back off or Jump off the edge waveland on hit while invincible and go back down. I could go on and on. The only new defensive option in brawl was doing any move out of shield. Which doesn't make up for WDing out of shield or being able to move/space yourself perfect with DDing and wding. Or make up for the watered down edge camping game that holding the ledge longer before you let go took away.
Brawl's a patience fest. Whoever gets impatient most and approaches more loses most of the time. Its a pretty competitive game, but I don't see how it can compare to melee.
Brawl's a patience fest. Whoever gets impatient most and approaches more loses most of the time. Its a pretty competitive game, but I don't see how it can compare to melee.
chillindude829
Smash Master
I like it because you're not screwed once you get hit or grabbed once, which in Melee leads either to massive damage or death. In Melee there are situations where you can't do anything to survive, regardless of DI etc. In Brawl, airdodging and changing aerial momentum and counterattacking makes it so you don't just get ***** when you get hit once. Of course you still can get *****, but the opponent has to do a lot more in terms of predicting and spacing to follow up on attacks.
NES n00b
Smash Master
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=174904 >_______________________>if u were good and getting paid...im sure u'd play it as well...
10wtfbossistoogoodatsmash
Maybe if I was pro level in Brawl it would be better? (LOL pro and brawl don't go together)
Wow, chillin.
2 guys compete on two diffirent push up contests.
The first contest is doing 20 push ups in 1 minutes: The strong guy does 20 push ups no problem. The wimp does 15 barely. The strong guy wins.
The second contest is doing 40 push ups in 1 minute. The strong guy also does 40 push ups in this minute without any problems. The wimp does 10 and is exsasted.
The strong guy always winned. But the second contest showed hom much stronger he really is. The second contest is also more fair.
Pretty bad example, but I think it proves my point.
chillindude829
Smash Master
It would prove your point if you had some kind of evidence that Melee somehow tests intelligence more than Brawl, but that's what you're trying to prove with the example, so no it doesn't really work at all
Good point. Everything is a lot faster in Melee so it guess that requires faster thinking, faster reactions, and better planing.
jngshin
Smash Cadet
melee is better for an absurdly simple reason that everyone already knew about in the beginning
THROWING IN BRAWL IS COMPLETELY UNDERPOWERED.
Minus the chaingrabs, the reward of getting a throw off is like 10%. This is akin to getting a throw off in street fighter and doing the damage of a couple jabs. Thanks to an almost nonexistant stuntime, pretty much nothing combos from throw either. Reducing the rockpaperscissor mechanism does nothing but dumb the game down.
I do agree that Melee is the other extreme- where one mistake can potentially lead to death at any given moment. But that's much more awesome than brawl, where you poke and jab until they are at a high %, then finish.
also, one of the best sets ever. DSW's skill level has improved quite a bit from the other vids ive seen, and m2k was having a semi-off day.
THROWING IN BRAWL IS COMPLETELY UNDERPOWERED.
Minus the chaingrabs, the reward of getting a throw off is like 10%. This is akin to getting a throw off in street fighter and doing the damage of a couple jabs. Thanks to an almost nonexistant stuntime, pretty much nothing combos from throw either. Reducing the rockpaperscissor mechanism does nothing but dumb the game down.
I do agree that Melee is the other extreme- where one mistake can potentially lead to death at any given moment. But that's much more awesome than brawl, where you poke and jab until they are at a high %, then finish.
also, one of the best sets ever. DSW's skill level has improved quite a bit from the other vids ive seen, and m2k was having a semi-off day.
Life After Death
Smash Champion
they both seem to be off. shiz wasnt doing shiz comboes. m2k started doing m2k comboes at the end.
Silent Wolf
...
Aw yeah
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Why does every thread turn into a Brawl vs. Melee thread?
soap
Smash Hero
cuz of chillin
chillindude829
Smash Master
my bad. but to be fair it's usually the melee ppl that start the argument in a brawl thread, so this is payback.
soap
Smash Hero
anywayz after a while u dont really have to consciously think to play either game at a high level, u just kinda do it.
and whats with people making all these johnz for m2k and shiz. shiz kept good smart pressure on so he wasnt just getting gimped the whole time which we've grown accustomed to watching m2k do, and shiz was more cautious with his combos cuz he didnt wanna get hit. I thought they both played pretty well.
and whats with people making all these johnz for m2k and shiz. shiz kept good smart pressure on so he wasnt just getting gimped the whole time which we've grown accustomed to watching m2k do, and shiz was more cautious with his combos cuz he didnt wanna get hit. I thought they both played pretty well.
Professor Pro
Smash Legend
Melee > Brawl?
MELEE > BRAWL!!!!!!
MELEE > BRAWL!!!!!!
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
yea and u call us babies to make it seem like you no more. I breath/eat/sleep hip hop
You mention waynes name after sayin hip hop? no thats rap
rap-lies=hip hop
And if kept up with hip hop instead of feeding off of mainstream you would know why i have no repect for nas.
I cant wait to find out who is gonna win the best rapper alive contest that "i think vibe" is hosting. it better be joe budden
xeonoex
Smash Journeyman
Brawl doesn't require more intelligence. The main thing the game is is spacing. After that you just have to not be an idiot.
All the tech skill made Melee require intelligence. Brawl is just hit people before they hit you, it's to slow to have any mind games when you can just space back and approach again. No combo's just slow the game down.
Smarter people just had more trouble in Melee if they lacked tech skill. Still, Melee's speed and techniques make option. Brawl just has yomi layers on the wake-up and ledge guarding, and there's like... 2 options. That's not deep. Every combo in melee has yomi layers; brawl doesn't even have combos.
All the tech skill made Melee require intelligence. Brawl is just hit people before they hit you, it's to slow to have any mind games when you can just space back and approach again. No combo's just slow the game down.
Smarter people just had more trouble in Melee if they lacked tech skill. Still, Melee's speed and techniques make option. Brawl just has yomi layers on the wake-up and ledge guarding, and there's like... 2 options. That's not deep. Every combo in melee has yomi layers; brawl doesn't even have combos.
soap
Smash Hero
this threads a mess, we 2/3 brawl debates, 1/3 Hip hop wars, n like 2 people discussing the set
xeonoex
Smash Journeyman
Set was good. I enjoyed it. Close and intense, but since they're both so good it kinda lacked on the OMGWTFBBQ combos unfortunately.
teh_spamerer
Smash Master
Brawl doesn't take more intelligence then Melee did. You have to rely on thinking in Brawl because you are not rewarded for anything else. Melee you have to think more and you have to think faster because you have more options overall. There are a lot of approaching options and a lot of camping options. You can say the ratio of thinking to tech skill is greater in Brawl but then in Melee but more thinking is required in Melee.
Eggm
Smash Hero
Which makes it less boring and the better competitive game.
Life After Death
Smash Champion
brawl is checkers and melee is chess
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
and ssb64 is tic tac toe
Zoro
Smash Champion
Snakes and metaknights ****ing love brawl
money?
money?
Roman.
Smash Champion
I just want to point out the fact that sakurai wanted brawl to be a simple family fun game so I doubt brawl will ever take more intelligence to play at a high level than melee unless you get break through AT (which there obviously aren't yet).
soap
Smash Hero
****, colbol got wrecked, shiz is so efficient
unknown522
Some guy
SynikaL
Smash Lord
Chillen:
Last time I checked, diligence was a pretty respectable virtue not only within the competitive arena, but in life in general, not a demerit. So, since when did intelligence become the official monarch of all virtues for it to tyrannize, marginalize and trample all those beneath its rule?
I must have missed that particular memo.
Some players employ intelligence in spades. Some, lean more towards diligence. But the fact of the matter is, good/great players employ suitable amounts of both, in varying degrees.
Just because a player is most intelligent, does not necessarily mean he should be entitled to be the best (at least, not in the context we're speaking). An ideal competitive atmosphere has multiple avenues to explore, so those that lack the experience, diligence, confidence, wit or any of the many other virtues in harmony with competition, can find a method to compete (still would not change the fact that the best players will contain a combination of these merits).
Yes, Brawl is more cerebral than Melee, but that only makes it more competitive in one sense. Virtues like diligence and adroitness are marginalized to the likes of intelligence and patience. In the same sense, it makes the game more competitive than Melee because intelligence and patience are virtues more readily available to the average man than adroitness or diligence.
But, Melee is also more competitive in another sense. Diligence and adroitness have much greater rewards in that game, but intelligence isn't nearly as marginalized in Melee as adroitness is in Brawl. There is a much more convenient balance (at this point, at least). Furthermore, as someone mentioned, many find the rewards of diligence fun (practice makes perfect, production of innovative ideas etc.).
Yes, Melee is less accessible as a result of its higher dexterity requirements, but in this same sense, it's more competitive than Brawl because the quality of competition will be much more filtered, and as a result, more serious.
The set featured in this thread hosts two players boasting ample amounts of various competitive virtues and as such, the set was close.
Also...
Don't wanna derail the thread, just bare with me people...
The "babies" comment wasn't meant to be an insult as much as an innocuous reference to the fact that I'm likely a good deal older than most people in this thread (24).
The constant hair splitting between "Hip Hop" and "Rap" is nonsense conjured up by mostly backpackers and mainstream media looking to perpetuate the strong division between mainstream and underground rap music. "Rap" refers to the action. "Hip Hop" refers to the culture (Not the fantasy culture portrayed by the mainstream, but the actual street culture that consists of, rap, poetry, graffiti, and much more).
Done.
Use them interchangeably or not, just know that you're perpetuating absurdly petty ideals with your statements.
We do agree on one thing though: We don't respect Nas. Did you even read my post? I bet you couldn't even entertain me with a compelling reason you don't respect Nas, you bandwagon junkie. You also accuse me of being absorbed in the mainstream (again, did you read my post?) and you reference Joe Budden. Hypocrite much? If you think the rabbit hole goes as far as Budden, you've got a lot to learn about indy rap music.
-Kimo
Last time I checked, diligence was a pretty respectable virtue not only within the competitive arena, but in life in general, not a demerit. So, since when did intelligence become the official monarch of all virtues for it to tyrannize, marginalize and trample all those beneath its rule?
I must have missed that particular memo.
Some players employ intelligence in spades. Some, lean more towards diligence. But the fact of the matter is, good/great players employ suitable amounts of both, in varying degrees.
Just because a player is most intelligent, does not necessarily mean he should be entitled to be the best (at least, not in the context we're speaking). An ideal competitive atmosphere has multiple avenues to explore, so those that lack the experience, diligence, confidence, wit or any of the many other virtues in harmony with competition, can find a method to compete (still would not change the fact that the best players will contain a combination of these merits).
Yes, Brawl is more cerebral than Melee, but that only makes it more competitive in one sense. Virtues like diligence and adroitness are marginalized to the likes of intelligence and patience. In the same sense, it makes the game more competitive than Melee because intelligence and patience are virtues more readily available to the average man than adroitness or diligence.
But, Melee is also more competitive in another sense. Diligence and adroitness have much greater rewards in that game, but intelligence isn't nearly as marginalized in Melee as adroitness is in Brawl. There is a much more convenient balance (at this point, at least). Furthermore, as someone mentioned, many find the rewards of diligence fun (practice makes perfect, production of innovative ideas etc.).
Yes, Melee is less accessible as a result of its higher dexterity requirements, but in this same sense, it's more competitive than Brawl because the quality of competition will be much more filtered, and as a result, more serious.
The set featured in this thread hosts two players boasting ample amounts of various competitive virtues and as such, the set was close.
Also...
Don't wanna derail the thread, just bare with me people...
Kid, trust me when I say you have no clue what the h3ll you're talking about.
The "babies" comment wasn't meant to be an insult as much as an innocuous reference to the fact that I'm likely a good deal older than most people in this thread (24).
The constant hair splitting between "Hip Hop" and "Rap" is nonsense conjured up by mostly backpackers and mainstream media looking to perpetuate the strong division between mainstream and underground rap music. "Rap" refers to the action. "Hip Hop" refers to the culture (Not the fantasy culture portrayed by the mainstream, but the actual street culture that consists of, rap, poetry, graffiti, and much more).
Done.
Use them interchangeably or not, just know that you're perpetuating absurdly petty ideals with your statements.
We do agree on one thing though: We don't respect Nas. Did you even read my post? I bet you couldn't even entertain me with a compelling reason you don't respect Nas, you bandwagon junkie. You also accuse me of being absorbed in the mainstream (again, did you read my post?) and you reference Joe Budden. Hypocrite much? If you think the rabbit hole goes as far as Budden, you've got a lot to learn about indy rap music.
-Kimo
eminem used to be my fav until i realized what a lyrical genius lupe is.
Lupe is def the way hip hop should be.
lol
wtf haha
Life After Death
Smash Champion
kye knows whats up
darkatma
Smash Hero
raserucort is so amazing
the stitch face in the 2nd match vs shiz
HAHAHA brilliant
the stitch face in the 2nd match vs shiz
HAHAHA brilliant
fsdfsdgsgdf
Smash Champion
Lupe is a genius
So is Joe budden
So is Joe budden
lamugi
Smash Lord
Lol yea god **** shiz.